BS: KISS keep it simple

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 01:39 PM

A troll is generally defined as a person who posts abusive, insulting, inflammatory, extraneous, off-topic or digressive messages in an online community by engaging in hit-and-run extraneous repetitive noise and ad hominem attacks. I think of Dave as someone's Toadie or a copy cat kitten and not the full-fledged pSyCHo. We need all the serious fantasy writers we can get.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 23 - 01:51 PM

Personal attacks. The failsafe of someone who has nothing left.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 May 23 - 02:49 PM

And who's that "someone," Donuel?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 May 23 - 03:31 PM

So you all know that this is an extremely flawed thread and if you're here duking it out I will presume you want to get in there and verbally duke it out and subject yourselves to insults. I've weeded out some in the past but I don't read this every day. If you don't like the state of this discourse, there are many other fine threads running on Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 23 - 04:08 PM

I don't believe that you are saying that anything goes on this thread, Stilly. Are you?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 May 23 - 05:45 PM

Wrong question. It should be "is this the kind of thread that any moderator is actually interested in reading in order to be the playground monitor." No, it isn't. There are some interesting tidbits dropped in here, and I wish each of you would stick with the interesting stuff and

ignore the nonsense.

Some of you have spent a lot of time insulting each other here and when someone complains and I look at the most recent complaint then work my way back, I find alternating insults exchanged and am frankly not interested in pruning out the nonsense and then seeing if it all still "makes sense." When someone complains I look at who threw the first punch? It depends entirely on how far back in the thread I end up going. It's filled with ad hominem insults. Stop attacking each others' characters and discuss the simple ideas or ignore them and move on.

It's either get along or close the thread. Entirely up to all of you.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 May 23 - 06:03 PM

The thread is very unfocused in the sense that, because of the way its originator is behaving with his random inputs, it's impossible to "go off-topic." I know that you try to accentuate the positive with him, Maggie, and that's laudable. But the half-baked science, the uninformed assertions and the puffing of the chest regarding the quasi-mystical skills he claims to possess are at the core of the nonsense you refer to. You're almost certainly right when you say we should ignore it, but please don't equate the rest of us with him in a blanket characterisation of the nonsense, and don't be too surprised when some of us bite back at his "if you don't believe in Donuel you're a trolling idiot" insinuations!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 May 23 - 06:39 PM

There are no innocent parties here - you can choose to ignore the parts that don't make sense. I'm not defending what Don posts, I just skip past the parts that don't interest me. It's a BS thread, so the bar is low (or non-existent) and perhaps my own background with stream-of-consciousness-filled conversations (a family trait?) makes it easier to ignore. You should do the same. When anyone decides to make a stand they're setting up an altercation that isn't pretty and doesn't contribute anything useful or interesting. Just move on.

Political smears, hate speech, and other things that get people kicked out aren't happening here.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 23 - 06:41 PM

Agreed Stilly and I hold up my hands, to apologise for my input into the fracas. Lets rewind to what I thought was a sensible question. I am not redoing the links as anyone can go back to the original posts.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 16 May 23 - 08:24 AM

This is the 2018 article from which you extracted your opening line, Donuel. Listening to the talk it seems that the coronal heating problem was put down to either Alfvén waves or nano flares with many scientists thinking that it was a combination of both. The latest news that I can find, from 24 March 2022, is that The Sun's Puzzling Heating Problem Is Closer to Being Solved but still remains a puzzle. Do you have later information?

I am interested in following this up as I think it is one of the "interesting tidbits". So, no diversion into trolling or other nonsense. Donuel, do you have any further information that was not discussed in those articles that leads you to believe your assertion that "The reason for this (coronal heating problem) has been discovered. The reason is remarkable."? If so can you please point me in the right direction. If not, a simple no will do. The fate of the thread is now in your hands!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 06:53 PM

Everything is copasetic. The rainbow of scientific views is as wide as
the electrodynamic spectrum. God forbid if it were ever focused.
A collection of curious notions is more interesting than cosmology 24/7. For me, it's like a crossword puzzle to sharpen my memory.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 May 23 - 06:59 PM

Dave, I think the answer you got just now boils down to "no." Try entering some of the keywords on this topic into Google Scholar. You can filter the results to books, articles, films, etc. And let us know what you find.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 23 - 06:59 PM

But this thread is about keeping it simple so can you just tell me, simply, what new information you have on the coronal heating problem.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 07:28 PM

The mysteries in life is the stuff of great Art.
Appreciating the Art of mysteries is simple.
You do or don't.
I'm about whats next.
If I am right about a conclusion I am as surprised as anyone
All glory or discovery is fleeting.
The rest is your usual bag of trouble/problems.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 07:56 PM

As I said in fewer words, the magnification of heat energy by millions of times like in the sun's corona by twisting and breaking magnetic fields is a big deal. What if...it was applied to forming plasma in a fusion reaction generator? Or some other application. Magnifying heat energy is a powerful tool. Just don't ask me exactly how...I don't know. Amplifiers are hot but never this hot.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 May 23 - 02:18 AM

I did that, Stilly, and the answers I found were linked in my first post on this subject. I was intrigued by what I found and wanted to know what extra information Donuel had found to conclude that the problem had been solved. I think you are right to surmise that there is none. I am disappointed but glad I fact checked. I am no wiser as to the cause of coronal heating but now know much more about Donuel's "facts". You win some, you lose some :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 May 23 - 02:24 AM

Dave, maybe RefDesk: Fact Checker for the Internet will help. I have the link in my bookmarks but often forget it's there. A very simple page format, all linked text, but keep scrolling down and you'll find several places that might give you a starting point for some of the clarification or debunking you want to do for this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 18 May 23 - 07:31 AM

The most contentious subject is consciousness. People can be empowered by new understanding or scared by it. Denial is the default setting for all brains. We usually ignore 99% of what we perceive. Perception and consciousness are separate systems and are united only when the entire brain is fully involved. So you only really see 1% of your visual field, the rest is an illusion created by the brain. Your eyes move 3 times a second and sample different areas 1% at a time. Colors are the last to be interpreted in areas forward from the rear occipital areas. Compromises are made by the brain when background colors are compared. Thats why the blue dress looked gold to some but not others. Who is the boss of your brain is the question that can be most challenging to many people. WE'LL GO THERE NEXT.
For Dave: It is forever true regarding the fact that some information may be new to you but not others and vice versa.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 18 May 23 - 08:18 AM

I was surprised to learn that every time we access a long-term memory our brain has to reconstruct it. By looking at it we diminish it.
Memories fade and can change when they are poorly reconstructed.
I

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 May 23 - 01:55 PM

Write them down and that helps with their durability.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 May 23 - 01:08 PM

But write them down in private please... :-D

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 23 - 06:36 PM

AI MRIs can read minds.
source: New York Times

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 23 - 06:51 PM

It takes at least 16 hours. But it works!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 23 - 07:04 PM

I've also watched the interview with the originator scientist and the ethical concerns from another scientist.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 May 23 - 07:15 PM

Bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 23 - 07:35 PM

dear lord rutherford, your skepticism is unfounded and is again objectively WRONG.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 May 23 - 08:38 AM

"AI MRIs can read minds."

That is nothing but a sensationalist headline. You cannot support that in any detail whatsoever with proper sources, simply because it isn't true. I'd like to say that it's your usual half-baked nonsense, but it isn't even that.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 23 - 09:06 AM

Teens are said to be exposed to and cause toxic social media. You sir are a toxic teen in the social media sphere.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 23 - 09:38 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/may/01/ai-makes-non-invasive-mind-reading-possible-by-turning-thoughts-into-text

Steve warning
If you click you will own your guilt of spreading misinformation

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 May 23 - 10:03 AM

So, you've read that, have you? And you came away from reading it to tell us the MRIs can "read our minds"? All I can suggest is that you read it again, properly this time.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 23 - 10:34 AM

The history of lie detection in America from the 30s to the 70s was a big deal and virtually absent in Europe. I was subjected to the rigamarole several times. It was promoted by 2 pioneers in the field.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 23 - 12:11 PM

The lie detector was actual bullshit but became a favorite of corporate America because it sometimes inspired confessions.

AI MRI technology actually reveals the gist of what people are thinking and provides a narrative. I do not know how a subject could manipulate results but time will tell as well as authoritarian's abuse of the tech.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 May 23 - 02:43 PM

Here's the gist: "Prof Shinji Nishimoto, of Osaka University, who has pioneered the reconstruction of visual images from brain activity, described the paper as a “significant advance”. “The paper showed that the brain represents continuous language information during perception and imagination in a compatible way,” he said. “This is a non-trivial finding and can be a basis for the development of brain-computer interfaces."

Improving upon its current ability is a fairly alarming concept. At the very least, it would mean another leap into the unknown.

I have my reservations concerning Elon Musk but when he's talking about the dangers of AI, he is convincing.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 May 23 - 04:14 PM

I think Donuel ought to refer to a reliable dictionary in order to look up the word "gist."

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 21 May 23 - 04:05 PM

I am not an expert on AI BUT I have been following its progress for a decade.
I suggest listening to the American MRI AI Researcher interview on MSNBC Ari Melber last week.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 May 23 - 06:02 PM

Well you do seem to be a self-styled expert on all sorts of things, so I suppose I should salute your temporary outbreak of humility.

The thing about MRI scans reading our minds has two aspects. First, MRI scans can't read our minds. Duh. Second, the scaremongers seem to be forgetting that no-one can actually be forced into an MRI scanner.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 23 - 12:42 AM

OH I see how you are terribly mistaken. It is the AI algorithm that associates brain activity to certain words not the MRI. Then the AI runs the algorithm in reverse.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 May 23 - 04:43 AM

So now it can be done without an MRI scanner, eh? What are you saying? Do make your confused mind up. By the way, this is not even getting close to mind-reading. You should get a job as a gutter tabloid headline writer.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 May 23 - 06:06 AM

I knew you were going to say that...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 23 - 06:23 AM

Bad boy of letters and bleak sarcastic humor, a friend of Christopher Hitchins and Salmon Rushdie, Martin Amis dies at 73.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 22 May 23 - 01:11 PM

Extraneous, off-topic or digressive messages in an online community are trollish in my book.

How does

Bad boy of letters and bleak sarcastic humor, a friend of Christopher Hitchins and Salmon Rushdie, Martin Amis dies at 73.

fit into a thread about simplifying alternative explanations?

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 May 23 - 04:24 PM

Don't ask, Doug...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 23 - 06:52 PM

Martin was a kindred spirit. Perhaps you do not recognize a countryman. Thanks for the compliments and inanities.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 May 23 - 08:12 PM

Amis never seemed to settle on an opinion. Just like those Hollywood stars who think they understand the world but who should really stick to acting, Martin should have stuck to writing his books.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 23 May 23 - 06:43 AM

The irascible Martin did not produce the movie adaptation, Hollywood did. There’s that Henry de Montherlant quote: “Happiness writes in white ink on a white page.” But that suggests happiness is an ineffable state, and I don’t think it is. Curiosity is more what you need, and a sense of wonder that is constantly replenished. It’s when that runs out that you die as a writer.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 23 May 23 - 09:24 AM

New synthetic sapphires and quantum computers are used to see dark matter. https://scitechdaily.com/u-s-dept-of-energy-breakthrough-detecting-dark-matter-with-quantum-computers/

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 25 May 23 - 08:16 PM

The mystery that captures the imagination just as much as the search for habitable exoplanets is that of the dark universe, specifically dark matter, which is the mysterious substance held responsible for the extra gravity observed in galaxies and galaxy clusters, and dark energy, the unknown force that is driving the acceleration in the expansion of the universe.

"We think that about 75% of the whole energy-matter content of the universe is this mysterious thing that we call dark energy, and another 20% is this other mysterious stuff called dark matter," said Milam. "When astronomers don't know what something is, we label it dark. It's astounding … the hundreds of billions of galaxies and the trillions of stars and countless planets, all of that only makes up about 5% of the whole universe. And the rest, the other 95%, we don't know what it is."

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 May 23 - 09:23 AM

The Complete GUIDE TO THE MAGA CULTURE WAR:
Pardon all convicts victimized by the weaponization of law
Defund FBI, DOJ, and replace the CONSTITUTION
REMOVE WOMEN'S RIGHTS TO HEALTHCARE
Destroy all woke books, media, and Democracy
Make MAGA history the only true history
Keep .... the following goals a secret
Take away all women's right to vote
Remove all women's right to serve
Make our President serve for life
Make minorities NOT MATTER
Make blacks slaves again
Remove the courts
Burn the jews

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 May 23 - 09:34 AM

Goals still in consideration:
Make men toxic again
Make White Power
permanent even as
a minority

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 May 23 - 09:41 AM

You need a nice lie down.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 May 23 - 12:06 PM

ELON MUSK has finalized the manufacture of the Neurolink.
It is not yet approved by the FDA but trials will be by volunteers.

The Neurolink will create the Transhuman by making the brain a digital hybrid. With the gender wars the term Transhuman is subject to change.
Having access to all digital data and being able to download results by merely thinking of them has major implications such as creating a virtual new species.
Three major questions will arise in the transhuman:
1. Can mind uploading maintain personal identity keeping one's personal subjective personal experience?
2. Can nonbiological AI systems be conscious?
3. Should nonbiological intelligence have moral standing and rights?

Or will we make a new slave class of AI intelligence?