BS: KISS keep it simple

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Charmion
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 02:35 PM

Geez Louise, you fellas are still at it, hammer and tongs!

I think I'll return to whatever I was doing.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 04:06 PM

You're not wrong, Charmion. I really should know better than to:respond to a brain-dead, bumptious, braggadocio-replete buffoon.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 04:16 PM

I did try to tell you on the ‘US/Russia/China war’ thread Steve but, as ever, you were too ‘clever’ to listen to sage advice. It’s really simple, even for a ‘clever’ bloke like you - Just. Ignore. Him.

Or don’t, I really don’t give a FF.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 04:30 PM

Well yes, John (and please stop.doing.that.daft.full.stop.thing.between.words! You may be a lot of things but you're no Maggie!), but being aligned with the legendary troll (whose predations passed me by as it happens) is not nice. It's a bit like me calling your dogs a bunch of filthy parasitic arseholes...? ;-)

Cheers from Steve, the catman... XXX

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 05:23 PM

Staying on or near topic is now bad when I do it?
How about we both have a POV but never the twain shall meet?
It is not a competition so let our respect survive our differences.
It is for a short time in the grand scheme.

For example, I do respect your strengths. Let me have mine.

As seen from satellites the UAP max speed has been nearly Mach 60.
Relativistic speeds can be projected with more time.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 06:36 PM

You're sidelined, Donuel. Sorry, mate, but you can't cut it with real-life, sane people. Go off and have a good think. And please stop thinking that you can get away with your horrible slurs and insults by quickly posting a nicey-nicey post or two. So transparent, old boy. Have an early night is my advice.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 07:54 PM

retreat to victimhood if you must. Trump makes a career of it.

My cello teacher convinced me that the Protestant work ethic is not meant for artists. While never a superstar and quite average I am satisfied with my different path. Doing what you love most of the time is rewarding.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 08:18 PM

Just go to bed. Eat (or inhale) mushrooms first if you like but I don't recommend it. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 08:23 PM

An example of keeping it simple in pure research is in the advancement of prosthetics that have a true sense of touch. The group had no idea if the electronic interface with the brain that would unnaturally stimulate hundreds of thousands of neurons that were not even receptors for touch would work. IT DID. The brain went ahead and figured it out.

My idea for MS treatment is also simple. Just add cloned synovial fluid to the spinal fluid and let the body add the extra sheathing that was missing for nerves.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 08:30 PM

I think we can all be glad that you're not involved in medical research. Now do go to bed. Have an early night, my dear fellow.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 02:43 AM

Steve, I haven’t a clue what you’re going on about with your “being aligned with the legendary troll…is not nice”. Nobody mentioned ‘the legendary troll’ except you. And you’re often ‘not nice’ on this forum, including on this thread - pot/kettle/black, methinks.

You seem to be losing your grip on reality. Perhaps it’s an effect of your dual obsessions with Donuel and canine toilet-habits?

Now, you didn’t get it the first time, I’ll give it to you again - Just. Ignore. Him.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 04:30 AM

"Date: 26 Mar 23 - 08:46 AM"

Hope this helps.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 05:14 AM

Just. Ignore. Him.

I know you are trying to help, BWM, but there comes a time when it's best follow your own advice and ignore them both if they're squabbling like daft kids.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 05:31 AM

"Daft kids," Doug? But out of the mouths of babes and sucklings...

(He ducks...)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 06:00 AM

"Daft kids," Doug?

"silly buggers" if you prefer!

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 06:07 AM

That'll do nicely. At least you don't do that daft-bugger full-stop thing!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 07:46 AM

As I have alluded to before my family is involved in NIH medical research.

Now back to space, We have just had quite a solar storm and the aurora borealis came all the way down to Michigan.
Here is a picture of Iceland's Henge...https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/2303/ArcticHenge_Letelier_1765.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 08:03 AM

”I know you are trying to help, BWM, but there comes a time when it's best follow your own advice and ignore them both if they're squabbling like daft kids.”

You’re absolutely right, of course, Doug. There are people who are too ‘clever’ to be helped, and we have the perfect example here. Oh well, if they enjoy behaving like obsessive, needy fools, let ‘em have at it. I’ll stick with the grown-ups and Just. Ignore. Them. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 08:16 AM

So how many posts is that now, John, in which you're "ignoring" me/us? Oh, the irony! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 09:04 AM

A person interested in new scientific insights can see through these attempts to suppress them. It used to be the church that wanted to stifle new ideas.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 09:10 AM

"Insights" being the non-operative word?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 09:51 AM

A good track record including cures for M dystrophy and malsria.

https://www.nih.gov/sites/default/files/about-nih/discovery-into-health/nih-turning-discovery-into-health.pdf

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 05:40 PM

https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/story/newly-discovered-anatomy-shields-and-monitors-brain

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 06:14 PM

There is no cure for muscular dystrophy. Malaria is an acute condition which can be treated effectively but which may return. Talk of a "cure" is not appropriate.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 09:17 PM

These are reality.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 09:27 PM

We know the people who cured malaria. I posted all this last year.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 09:44 PM

The gene therapy trials are working The problem is that there are so many varients.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Mar 23 - 12:43 PM

There is no cure for muscular dystrophy.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Mar 23 - 01:50 PM

From wiki: "There is no cure for any disorder from the muscular dystrophy group."

From the NHS website: "There's no cure for MD."

There is no reference to a cure for muscular dystrophy in either of the links you provided, which is hardly surprising. Your statement is without foundation.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Mar 23 - 04:27 PM

You know that real time insider information is not goggleable.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Mar 23 - 04:35 PM

What you said was plain wrong. Of course, the very last thing you do is "plain." There is no cure for muscular dystrophy, right?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Mar 23 - 08:03 PM

It's hard to argue with someone who's receiving "real time insider information" which is "not goggleable". Probably via confidential transmissions to his tin foil hat.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Mar 23 - 08:52 PM

Dunno about you, gillymor, but I've never had much success when I've tried to goggle anything...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 06:03 PM

In conclusion to keeping it simple in the Universe, we see that symmetry is the repeating beauty. The Standard model is not accepted as the theory of everything by anyone. For one thing, it is the ugliest organization of asymmetric particles but it almost works. The theories that use the 4 known forces in the Universe have to add gravity by hand and the equations usually blow up or don't work smoothly because there is not enough room to unite them with gravity. There is a theory that needs gravity and automatically
allows gravity to naturally appear and that is String Theory. With extra dimensions, there is room to allow all the forces to unite along with gravity.

2,000 years ago Democritus theorized the Universe was made of atoms (that which can not be cut) but Pythagoras saw that strings of different lengths had different frequencies and saw the Universe in terms of music with beauty and harmony and of course symmetry. I see how they were both right in their way. Today we are on the brink
of a TOE a theory of everything. While everything in science is derived indirectly to be true it must be testable, reproducible and falsifiable. For String Theory that test will be to perfectly derive the mass of a proton using string theory equations. That is how close we are and yet far away.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 06:53 PM

There is no question that life is complex but the alphabet of DNA is as simple as the 4 GTCA. The four forces of the universe are the strong nuclear force that confounded Einstein, the weak nuclear force, the electromagnetic force that Maxwell showed was a symmetry between magnetism and electricity and finally Gravity as a pushing force (not a pulling force).

The biggest release of energy in the Universe happens when two Super Massive Black Holes merge from gravity. The waves produced are so huge that each wave is about 15 years apart and the energy released is more than all of the shining stars in the universe. We can see the wave coming when it warps and twists visible Pulsars that are between the explosion and Earth. The energy release is 5% of the energy in both SMBHs but is so huge that there is no way to make a comparison in a way the human mind can imagine.



PS re: the distractors, A Band-Aid for damaged genesfor
People with Duchenne muscular dystrophy, referred to as DMD, have various mutations in the body’s largest gene, dystrophin, which is a protein that cells need to stay intact. Dystrophin has 79 sections, or exons. If even one is missing, the body cannot produce dystrophin and the muscles degenerate.

There is no cure for DMD, but a new class of drugs called antisense oligonucleotides uses an approach called “exon skipping,” which acts like a Band-Aid over the missing exons so the body can skip over the damaged instructions and produce the protein needed to rebuild muscle tissue. Now a new gene therapy break through can correct for the specific missing gene. The explanation is possibly too complex to explain here so I will continue to liberally use the word cure despite the objector. When the results are published I'm sure he will not apologize or relent.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 07:04 PM

So then it has been cured in the future. That's simple enough.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 07:14 PM

DISCLAIMER: For security reasons, I have not revealed my source into the workings of the NIH, it is my better half who is an active member of the decision-making for NIH grants.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 07:34 PM

In a repeat conclusion to keeping it simple in the Universe, we see that symmetry is the repeating beauty. The Standard model is not accepted as the theory of everything by anyone. For one thing, it is the ugliest organization of asymmetrically numbered particles but it almost works. The theories that use the 4 known forces in the Universe have to add gravity by hand and the equations usually blow up or don't work smoothly because there is not enough room to unite them with gravity In 3 dimensions. There is a theory that creates gravity automatically and allows gravity to naturally appear - and that is String Theory. With extra dimensions, there is room to allow all the forces to unite along with gravity.

2,000 years ago Democritus theorized the Universe was made of atoms (that which can not be cut) but Pythagoras saw that strings of different lengths had different frequencies and saw the Universe in terms of music with beauty and harmony and of course symmetry. I see how they were both right in their way. Today we are on the brink
of a TOE a theory of everything. While everything in science is derived indirectly to be true it must be testable, reproducible and falsifiable. For String Theory that test will be to perfectly derive the mass of a proton using string theory equations. That is how close we are and yet far away.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 07:38 PM

Not another word or your wife may have to off you for security's sake.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 07:50 PM

People do crazy things for 100 million dollars. I consider you partly crazy but not a contender.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 07:55 PM

C) He's crazy, (A7) He's manic de(Dm)pressive (A7)and (Dm) angry
He's (G7) crazy, paranoid, schizoid and (C) rude (C#dim ) and (Dm) violent (G7)
They (C) gave him(A7) some kind of new medi(Dm)cation (A7) (Dm)
And (G7) lately I think he's murderous (C) too. (F) (C) (C7)

(F) Bat shit crazy(C) (C7)
(C#7) And (D7) lately I wonder what he's going to do (G7) In (Dm) jail (G7)(spoken) sue?
Cause He's (C) crazy, psy(A7)chotic and lieing de(Dm)pendent, (A7) (Dm)

He's (F) angry ag(Em)gressive, com(Dm)pulsive, ob(A7)sessive
He's long haul (Dm) crazy from (G7) knowing (C) he's(G7) through

(F) Worried? You bet your ass I get (C) worried (B) (C)(B)(C)(C#)
Just (D7) wondering, wondering just what I should (G7) do (Dm) (G7)
'Cause He's (C) crazy, psy(A7)chotic and deeply de(Dm)pendant (A7) (Dm)
He's (F) laughin' and (Em) lyin', patho(Dm)logically (A7) fryin'
He so (Dm) crazy just like (G7) you know (C) who.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 08:05 PM

Well, the point is that there is no cure for muscular dystrophy.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 08:19 PM

No the POINT is the elegant beauty of the simple symmetry in the Universe.
Coincidentally my conclusion that black holes create expanding space is now a contending theory surprised me.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 08:22 PM

The theory of everything is expected to be an elegant equation less than 2 inches long.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 08:38 PM

Europe will build a bigger collider one day that should create dark matter.
The US spent a billion dollars to build a Large Hadron Collider and another billion dollars to fill in the hole. It put the US 2 generations behind Europe's discoveries.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 08:48 PM

Our science budget was cut but the Iraq war budget was increased.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 05:08 AM

Yet, in spite of all your incomprehensible verbiage (which, as is all too transparently obvious, is there to distract from the very simple fact that you made an untrue statement), there is still no cure for muscular dystrophy. The fact that you can so blithely make such a fundamental and avoidable error out of sheer carelessness, which you then can't admit to, calls into question the credibility of everything else you say. Over to you.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 06:17 AM

While everything in science is derived indirectly when we can't go there directly like the inside of the sun. To be true it must be testable, reproducible and falsifiable. For String Theory that test will be to perfectly derive the mass of a proton using string theory equations. That is how close we are and yet far away.

It turns out we do get something from nothing. The energy in the Universe equals zero when the positive energy of matter and radiation is equal to the negative energy of gravity, or when adding all the different galaxy spins turn out to be zero. Hawking used to say the dirt you remove from a hole equals the volume of the hole.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 08:01 AM

So mix that dirt with water and you get mud. Clear as.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 08:54 AM

Sorry, my disturbed fool needs attention...

Other reasonable people already recognize that certain cancers can be cured with medications and treatment modalities. Survival after 7 years is considered a cure but no one conflates that with all cancer cured.
MD is now in that category with a new gene therapy aided by CRISPR technology but it is a very specific treatment that can cure a specific geneticly caused form of MD..

My peculiar interest in black holes, cosmology and the multiverse many worlds theory has been confusing because they were my own thinking points, particularly in the beginning. I have often said anyone and everyone should hold a view of cosmology be it for religious or scientific curiosity or knowing where they live.

I was fortunate that my curiosity was sparked by witnessing an event42 years ago that defied our current scientific understanding. The best book to begin to understand is Flatland. You will be able to understand Michiu Kaku because he is as good if not a better communicator than Carl Sagan. His books began with Hyperspace and today The God Equation.