BS: KISS keep it simple

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 08:30 AM

By the way, I know some "classically-trained" musicians who have no musical soul whatsoever. It's not an achievement. It's what someone did to you.

I know some untrained 'musicians' who would have benefited from some guidance on the way. There has to be some underlying ability to make use of training in any discipline. Virtuoso musicians, Olympic athletes and international footballers all start off with a raw talent that is honed to perfection through the training and coaching that they receive.

I have to ask, Steve, would you have made the same comment if you were responding to anyone else but Donuel?

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 08:41 AM

Yes I would, and it's an opinion I've arrived at several times when classically-trained musicians, full of enthusiasm, don't "get it" when they try to play in folk music sessions. They have the notes, the scales, the timing and the accuracy but they often don't have the soul.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 12:24 PM

They may capture r hearts and r minds but never r sou....

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 12:36 PM

The ad hominem attacks can stop or the thread can close. Two easy to understand options.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 12:37 PM

....having captured their silver flutes, their thousand-quid timber recorders, their cellos (mind you, she didn't half look good with it...)

Still, I'd rather have any of them than the bloody spoons/bones/dead goat brigade.

Ps. You may have a point, Doug, but many a non-classical musician that never had training of any sort has reached the heights.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 01:15 PM

Just close it, Stilly. It will never get any better :-(

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 01:32 PM

Keeping it simple - the spammers who regularly put their crap in music threads above the line are usually deleted quickly. The thread for June songs is being hit hard by the CBD peddlers with VPN so the IP can't be blocked. They either use really stupid AI or are not conversant English speakers with skills regarding translation software. This is the most recent post I just deleted:

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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 01:35 PM

Mangled English outsources first-level triaging for gullibility to the victims. But I've said that before.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 02:37 PM

There are ankle biters, internet trolls , giant trolls and apparently Uber mega trolls. Throw in some AI and we will have a proper mess.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 04:42 PM

I doubt AI is involved: that's just the latest go-to explanation. NI (Natural Incompetence) is cheaper.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jun 23 - 07:51 AM

I can call you Betty and Betty, when you call me, you can call me AI...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jun 23 - 11:41 AM

Will the USA be a nation for all as it was first founded?
It is up to the way hate will be embraced or disgraced in society and media.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jun 23 - 01:10 PM

Snippet from a book review I just read

"'Busy?' Dave asked.
Death let out a long weary sigh.
'I'm always busy.'
'How do you find the time to do it all?'
'Time is relative. In fact, he's my cousin. Who owes me money.'
'Time travel?'
'It's not time travel as such. It's more that I exist simultaneously at all points in time. Or something. I wasn't really paying attention. Quantum physics was put together on a Friday afternoon. That's why humanity will never figure it out. Some of the bits are the wrong way round.'"

Makes more sense than a lot of the stuff on here :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jun 23 - 03:30 PM

Light is particle and wave
Our histories written large upon the page
The star in middle age
The love that fades to black
Once revealed, won't be taken back
Light nothing can escape
The ignorance we once forgave
In the future if we don't decide to change
On the surface it is saved
But it slows to shine upon your face
We owe everything
Everything
Everything
To this rainbow of suffering
Light is particle and wave
Reflections of this place
Refractions of our grace
It reveals what we won't dare
And it's slow so I can hold you dear
For a few orbits around a star.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jun 23 - 03:53 PM

This is the thread for reductionism and other people's work.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jun 23 - 05:39 AM

particle and wave is a song by Rossane Cash who knows she doesn't know how quantum mechanics work.

I expect mechanics work by the hour.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Jun 23 - 09:07 AM

Heard this over the air on NPR:

"They're made out of meat"

Turns out it's from Omni magazine in 1991.

Fun times

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Jun 23 - 11:11 AM

I may have read this when it first came out. It reminds me of a couple of short stories I read in Playboy years ago, a science fiction style with interesting conjecture about life on other planets.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jun 23 - 11:34 AM

I used to get Omni. Forgot all about it so thanks for the reminder :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jun 23 - 08:55 PM

"There are only two possibilities. We are the only life in the universe, or we are not. Either possibility is terrifying."
Asimov.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 27 Jun 23 - 04:28 AM

Another possibility: I am the only life in the universe. You and all the rest are a figment of my imagination.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jun 23 - 04:44 AM

Another possibility: Asimov was scaremongering.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jun 23 - 06:32 AM

It's fake news...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jun 23 - 07:16 AM

Bob Guccione's Omni was almost like a Playboy magazine for the UFO crowd.
i expected centerfolds of aliens and craft.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jun 23 - 05:19 PM

For the first time we can see beyond the observable universe.

beyond 13.5 billion years ago

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 27 Jun 23 - 06:01 PM

If we can see it then it's observable.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jun 23 - 06:22 PM

The Webb telescope did this sooner than we hoped, but what was not observable, now is.
As I said before these 6 giant galaxies might be black holes with accretion disks.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jun 23 - 07:03 PM

earliest known galaxies or SMBH

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 27 Jun 23 - 07:07 PM

So we can see the observable universe but not beyond it? Yes or no. It that simple.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Jun 23 - 07:26 PM

Don'l:

The internet attributes that quote to Arthur C. Clarke (I was familiar with it but I thought it was Carl Sagan).

I think the subtext is that we are the only sentient/ intelligent form of life or we are not. The prospect of xeno microbes doesn't get me scared after the ages of Plague, Smallpox, Flu, and Covid. And I think the insect world is far more ferocious than ourselves. 'Intelligence' in humans is hard to define or prove. The existence of the chrysalis and the phenomenon of metamorphosis is to me a genuine miracle. Our only approach to it is to come up with the name for it.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jun 23 - 09:17 PM

The new Webb observation is a game changer but I do not know how the game has changed. Has expansion stopped? Is the unobserved universe at its limit? Is the big crunch more likely now? Maybe next month I will get it.

Are there space virus? We can't even seem to identify the big things.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jun 23 - 06:15 AM

Simply put, Webb sees fully formed galaxies or SMBH's 10 times the size of our Milky Way at the first glimpse of the visible universe and star formation. This is a total surprise to all our modeling. What it means presents a whole new set of questions.

My first guess was that SMBHs were present from the start of space-time everywhere all at once even as BH remnants of what came before the universal expansion/big bang.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Jun 23 - 07:31 PM

I agree that Webb is a game changer but we don't know how it has changed. That is one of the most fun things in a good way that humanity has been up to lately.

I think that without a whole lot of effort or deep thought, we can imagine that any outside E T could think of US as a potential space virus.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 23 - 02:50 AM

This is keeping it simple

BBC News - Scientists pick up shock waves from colliding galaxies

The links within it are equally good

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jun 23 - 07:59 AM

If Dave was close to a BH collision he would be stretched and shrunk by the gravity waves.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 23 - 08:30 AM

Wouldn't everyone and everything?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stanron
Date: 29 Jun 23 - 08:56 AM

I could do with a bit of stretching. Everything in my universe seems to be shrinking these days. My bank balance of course, but also my height. How grave is that?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 23 - 08:58 AM

It's grave when you get to minus six feet...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jun 23 - 10:07 AM

When we are billions of light years away from a BH collision the amount of stretching is only a portion of an atom's nucleus. Don't forget there is also a time compression wave along with the gravity wave. In time we will learn to read the universe via gravity waves just as we can with electromagnetic waves. Like Appolo, if we go too near the sun we could melt.
Some parts of the universe jiggle more than others.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 29 Jun 23 - 10:49 AM

> Like Appolo, if we go too near the sun we could melt.

I'll leave it for someone else to say "Icarus".

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Jun 23 - 02:45 PM

I'm just wondering who Appolo is.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 23 - 03:15 PM

It's the new app from OLO - the Obscure Literature Orgsnisation. It enables you to present utter bollocks as though it were factual :-D

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jun 23 - 05:13 PM

Nothing like checking your facts before you post, eh? Not for the first time, not by a long chalk!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jun 23 - 05:23 PM

Apollo is one of the Olympian deities in classical Greek and Roman religion and Greek and Roman mythology. The most Greek of the gods, Apollo has been recognized as a god of archery, music and dance, truth and prophecy, healing and diseases, and the Sun.
His dad was a big cheese named ZEUS and his mom was Leto goddess of music. In a way I guess Apollo melted the wings of Icarus.
Which reminds me the FAA approves a $300,000 flying car.
https://insideevs.com/news/674368/alef-model-a-vtol-flying-car/

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jun 23 - 06:08 PM

Half of all bees in the US have died due to mite parasites and pesticides but since we love our pesticides a new hybrid of Russian bees have been found that are more resistant to mites and cold.
https://www.ars.usda.gov/news-events/news/research-news/2001/mite-resistant-russian-bees-also-have-winter-hardinesse/

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Jun 23 - 06:16 PM

Oh I have read of Apollo, but my question was who is " Appolo"

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jun 23 - 09:22 PM

APPOLO is the god of dyslexia. Proper names have never been my strength. I'm not suited to write prescriptions.

T.S. Eliot — We shall not cease from exploration and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jun 23 - 02:23 AM

Doesn't stop you checking stuff before you post. If only it was your spellings that were suspect.

Old McDonald was dyslexic
OIEIE

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jun 23 - 07:27 AM

Toilets is an anagram of T.S.Eliot.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Jun 23 - 07:37 AM

The anagram of Donuel is Lo Nude!

Maybe he is baring all?