Guitar tuning DAGDAD

Subject: RE: Help: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: GUEST,PaulM
Date: 22 Jan 02 - 04:23 AM

that all hamsters ... are descended from only 3 individuals... If you don't believe me, look it up

I did, here, and they're not...

Paul

Subject: RE: Help: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 22 Jan 02 - 08:09 AM

LH, you are confusing hamsters with thoroughbred racehorses (an easy and understandable mistake)

All thoroughbred racehorses are descended from three stallions, the Darley Arabian, the Godolphin Barb, and the Byerley Turk. All three were very puissant stallions.

Murray

Subject: RE: Help: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Jan 02 - 08:14 AM

Tiny little fockers huh Murray? Real pissants. And Murray....Watch your spelling.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: GUEST,CelticAvenger
Date: 06 Apr 16 - 10:39 PM

I've been experimenting with and playing the music for more than forty years now. As I discover this today--even 14 years on from the original thread--I am awestruck at what a bunch of asinine snobs you all are. The man asked an honest question. Comes from a modern tradition of Irish Bouzouki which you clearly didn't and probably still don't understand. And all you could do was belittle him.

Stay stuck in your rut angry old men. People who try new things will continue to change and rule the world.

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: michaelr
Date: 07 Apr 16 - 02:22 AM

(thumb up symbol)

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Apr 16 - 03:44 AM

i suppose you would have to use heavier string for string 4? but its a perfectly logical tuning

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: GUEST,Rev Bayes
Date: 15 Apr 16 - 03:58 PM

Hmm. I wonder if you went down this road if DF#GDAD wouldn't make more sense.

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Apr 16 - 07:55 PM

Could be a blind alley

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: Stanron
Date: 15 Apr 16 - 09:17 PM

This has been a truly wierd thread. The original poster explains a perfectly logical, step by step, route to a tuning he likes and can use and just gets a load of abuse.

So 14 years on, if anyone is still interested

  Em
  
  2 2 4 5 2 2
  
  or
  
  E minor
  ╒═╤═╤═╤═╤═╕
  │ │ │ │ │ │
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤
  R O │ │ O O
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤
  │ │ │•│ │ │
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤
  │ │ 0 │ │ │
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤
  │ │ │•O │ │
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤
  
  where R is the root, and
  
  Am
  
  2 3 2 2 3 2
  
  or
  
  A minor
  ╒═╤═╤═╤═╤═╕
  │ │ │ │ │ │
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤
  O │ R O │ O
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤
  │ O │•│ O │
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤

again R is the root.

These are both bar chords and moving them up or down will get any other minors you need.

You could use just part of them

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: Stanron
Date: 15 Apr 16 - 09:23 PM

By the way this is a fretboard diagram of that tuning. If you know the notes in the chords you want you can look for them here.

  D A G D A D
  ╒═╤═╤═╤═╤═╕        
  │ │ │ │ │ │        
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤        
  E B A E B E        
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤        
  F C │•F C F        
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤        
  │ │ B │ │ │        
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤        
  G D C•G D G        
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤        
  │ │ │ │ │ │        
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤        
  A E D•A E A        
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤        
  │ F │ │ F │
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤
  B │ E•B │ B
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤
  C G F C G C
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤
  │ │ │ │ │ │
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤
  D A•G D•A D
  ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Apr 16 - 03:41 AM

interesting stanron

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Apr 16 - 08:01 AM

> The original poster explains a perfectly logical, step by step, route to a tuning he likes and can use and just gets a load of abuse.

You must be new here. Welcome to the internet ;)

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: Stanron
Date: 16 Apr 16 - 09:53 AM

This is Mudcat, not just the internet. It is supposed to be a meeting place for people with like interests. I'm not new to here or the internet. I do prefer to hang out in places where civility trumps spite and mostly above the line here it does.

Below the line there is now a rule that says anonymous guests do not get to post. Since that rule below the line has become more civil.

If anonymous guests start trolling above the line I would like to think they get barred here as well.

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Apr 16 - 12:10 PM

10 to 15 years ago when I had more time and enthusiasm I experimented with all sorts of random tunings and string configurations..

[it helps if you own more guitars than is sensible...]

The results could be very positively interesting and musically satisfying,
opening up surprising directions for riffs and chordal drones that could be quite inspiring.....

Often ignorance of musical theory and the foundations & conventions/authodoxies set in stone by previous players
can be a wonderful source of individual creativity... 😜

If it sounds good, record and mix it into the track !!!

Some particular guitars were better platforms for experimentation than other..

Eg a well made weird looking Korean Heavy Metal 6 string bass equipped with active electronics....

Maybe one day I might find my scraps of paper with the tunings written down...???

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: GUEST,Sol
Date: 17 Apr 16 - 06:45 AM

As a dyslexic person, reading this thread has been a nightmare however discovering that the DADGAD/DAGDAD war is over is music to my arse 😀

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: PHJim
Date: 17 Apr 16 - 01:10 PM

I like the GDAD tuning for a long neck mandolin. I find it works well with a guitar tuned in DADGAD. Many of the chord shapes used on a GDAE tuned mandolin are not possible to play on a long necked mandolin tuned as an octave mandolin, but dropping that first string a whole tone just seems to make everything easier.
I'd think using octave mandolin strings for the first four strings and guitar strings for the 5th and 6th strings would be a good solution to arriving at DAGDAD.

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: GUEST,OldNicKilby
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 07:50 AM

Just a reminder that it was Davy Grahams Birthday yesterday

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: GUEST,Marty
Date: 27 Oct 21 - 12:13 AM

Happening upon this thread many years later, I note that some of the hostility toward the original poster had to do with the use of H for B. In fact, that is exactly so. For instance, Bach’s quite famous Mass in B Minor is also known as the Messe in H-moll, BWV 232. Easy to look up.

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Oct 21 - 03:42 AM

Jeri asked a very good question, the answer is ignorance [lack of knowledge.
stanron put up avery good fretboard diagram, it is also very easy these days to find out what is the difference between minor and major chords and dyads that have no third, or notes that determine whether a chord is major or minor. a little knowledge does not deter from people experimenting with shapes to make intersting musical diuscoveries, what it does is allow them to analyse their discovery afterwards and make a note of the chord progression.

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: gillymor
Date: 27 Oct 21 - 08:19 AM

I've never understood the antipathy toward, or the worship of, this tuning. It's just a scheme for making music.
There's a PDF for a lovely version of Shenandoah in DADGAD by Doug Young at his website.. It should be doable for intermediate level pickers even if they're not familiar with the tuning.

Shenandoah tab

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Oct 21 - 10:44 AM

all gutar tunings have limtations,
dadgad is useful but imo it is more difficult to play ragtime in this tuning than say in standard, general opinion seems to be it is very useful for playing in d modal.
Martin Carthy is of the opinion that it is not as flexible as the tunings that he uses, one of which cgcdga, he says he can play in four or five keys quote c,g.f d and possibly a minor,
nic jones also used different tunings opther than dadgad. that does not mean dadgad is not useful, but neither is it the be all and end all for everything
pierre bensusan uses it very well

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: GUEST,Beachcomber
Date: 27 Oct 21 - 06:08 PM

I hesitated , over the years, to enter this often catty and dismissive thread, because of it's general tone. It's great to hear your calm resolution of the discussion Sandman, no musical snobbery, no subtle racist prejudice, just honest to god information. Thanks !

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Oct 21 - 06:20 PM

For the record, this thread is not about DADGAD, it's about DAGDAD.
My question, from 19 years ago was about DADGAD. Off topic.

If you want to discuss DADGAD, you should, IMO, do it in an appropriate thread. Which isn't this one, because in this thread, it's confusing. Thank you.

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: GUEST,Mark
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 01:55 AM

Sticking to DAGDAD, I wonder if removing the "reentrant" aspect would make it slightly less awkward.

Martin Carthy's CGCDGA tuning only made sense to me when I read the explanation that it was cello tuning with some interpolated.strings - CGcDgA (capitals here highlight the cello tuning, they don't indicate octave). Similarly, I vaguely recall Ged Foley of the House Band explaining to me that his guitar had tenor banjo tuning with 2 other strings interpolated, but I forget the fine detail.

On that basis, I think that if I wanted to interpolate Irish 'zouk tuning into a guitar, I'd use dGaDAD. String gauges may be fun, as I doubt a normal set would respond well to this tuning, and I'd expect to have to widen the nut slot for the 3rd string.

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 04:09 AM

Jeri i realise that and my comment in refernce to yourself was about dagdad, gillymor diverted the thread to dadgad, tenor banjo tunings are cgda and more common these days gdae, although there is another occasional one called chicago DGBE THE top 4 of standard guitar

Subject: RE: Guitar tuning DAGDAD
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 05:29 AM

Uhhh...nevermind.
I mostly keep my zouk and my octave mandolin tuned to GDAD and I've thought about tuning a guitar to DAGDAD. I play a lot of 2 note chords on the GD strings with a drone on the high AD strings and I don't see why having another set of lower DA drone strings wouldn't work. It might be a huge sound but my zouk sounds so good as it is for tune accompaniment I've never bothered checking it out.