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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 11 Jul 13 - 07:34 AM IF I am being beaten, with no sign of an end to it, how close to death must I be before I can fire the single shot? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 11 Jul 13 - 07:24 AM Of course, in know-it-all Goofus' mind, there's nothing rotten in a society which allows a punch to be repaid with a bullet, and calls THAT self defence. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 11 Jul 13 - 07:19 AM Goofus just doesn't get it. HE is the one making this political, when in fact it is PURELY a race issue. He just can't admit that a black kid in the Southern US lives with racial animosity from white people from his first day at school until the day he dies. What policeman would believe that, in a face to face confrontation, with the available choice of gun or phone, Zimmerman reached for the phone? Only one who didn't want to see an honorary white man go to jail for killing an insignificant black kid. Martin must have feared that Zimmerman was reaching for a gun, and if he did, then his actions were self defence, even in Florida. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST Date: 11 Jul 13 - 01:16 AM You don't have to keep demonstrating, Goofy. I got it the first time. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 11 Jul 13 - 12:29 AM You're welcome, glad you understood it. I suppose to you, people instigating hate, makes more sense, huh? Or political jerk-offs, politicizing a stupid act, makes sense to you?..well, OK. Ya' mind if others don't subscribe to your dark 'reality'?..or do you HAVE to get a power geez, in getting people to hate?? To me...that is a blithering idiot...you might not see it that way..but really, so what? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 10 Jul 13 - 11:58 PM Your graphic demonstration made it quite clear, thank you. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Jul 13 - 11:13 PM Your welcome...glad you understood it! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 10 Jul 13 - 11:11 PM I've always wondered what "blithering" meant in the expression "blithering idiot." Now, I know. Thanks for the demonstration, Goofy! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Jul 13 - 10:18 PM It's so interesting to see the peace loving, 'so-called liberals' getting so worked up over rooting for a weak case, and ignoring the evidences that they've become such peace loving, 'so-called liberals'..yet the saddest part of it all, is watching you destroy yourselves over it, and in your rhetoric, trying to inspire, MORE of the racist filled hate that you claim to hate! Let's not kill the nigger..kill the crackers! Simply amazing! Bobert, man like I've grown to love you, if you will...it is REALLY a bummer, for me to watch you insist that you'd be 'successful' at turning people to hate one another..in the name of some sort of retribution, because they were hated before...and now we can hate back...and be supported by other haters!....maybe you can recruit some really GOOD haters...then you can be proud of yourself. Firth can Knight you into the 'The Golden Order of Intelligent Haters'. This cannot be a wonderful energy going through your music, either...in fact, your vitriol is pretty fucking ugly! Don T's is just stupid...but your is ugly! Firth just grabs anything that sound like it can be made into a political crisis, and needs HIS resolution, NOW, or be deemed a bigot hater!! Hey man, if I saw you playing on the railroad tracks and i knew a train was coming, I'd yell at you to get off the tracks....only to find you arguing with me that the train was a concoction of the TEA Party Express!...even as it gets closer and closer. Some things are just NOT a 'political' event...some are just stupid things that political people promote as political...hey, you know what?..Fuck 'em. I just hope that NOBODY who you talk to, or who might read your posts, gets 'inspired' to 'rally' or protest or in anyway promote, which results in violence that results from this, act of stupidity..or YOU will be as responsible as you claim Zimmerman was in instigating it...GET OFF THE TRACKS!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 10 Jul 13 - 09:50 PM Why is it that those who seem to hate President Obama the most also appear to be the same ones who want to see George Zimmerman acquitted? What is the common denominator here? (Strokes chin, deep in thought. . . .) Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 10 Jul 13 - 08:21 PM ""Hence, the judge allowed a parade of "witnesses" on both sides to give their opinion(s). Martin's mother said it was her son, friends of Zimmerman said it was him. Nobody was exactly objective."" No Peedee, a parade of Zimmerman's friends (trustworthy and open minded of course....no bias) against a grieving mother of a dead child. I know which one is less likely to have the will or stamina to stand up and LIE in court, and if you are honest, so do you. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 10 Jul 13 - 08:17 PM Southern justice ain't justice... I've seen it all my life... It is disgusting... We have not moved out of Jim Crow's neighborhood... We just act nicey, nice... No changes behind that "grinnin' in your face"... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 10 Jul 13 - 08:14 PM ""If a black man were convicted on as little evidence as has been presented, you would be ( rightfully) screaming about the rush to judgement."" So answer my bloody question! Do you seriously believe that a black man wouldn't have been tried convicted and on Death Row by now, had the situation been reversed? Of course he would! And that is exactly what is wrong with the US. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 10 Jul 13 - 08:10 PM Pretty logical arguments, Don... Ones that are completely lost of right winged, gun nut Republicans who think that murdering blacks is just fine... We all know how this would have gone down if the races were reversed... That's not an argument... It's just reality... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 10 Jul 13 - 08:09 PM ""The testimony was in the pre-trial hearings, although Nakasone was called back and gave his opinion(s)."" Yet they allow all Zimmerman's cracker mates to testify that it was his voice, one after the other, against the one statement from Martin's parents. Such wonderfully even handed (WHITE) American justice! And Bruce talks about Zimmerman as a lynch mob victim. Ope season has been declared on Floridian black kids, God help 'em! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 10 Jul 13 - 08:00 PM ""Once again, Don T is proud to show how stupid he is! He wasn't in school, so play the sympathetic game... B..and your little unarmed 'schoolboy', was six inches taller than Zimmerman, on top of him beating the crap out of him..THAT IS WHAT THE TRIAL IS ABOUT...the question of self defense or not!"" Six inches taller, WOW, what an advantage! He was also three and a half stone lighter cretin! Which of those do you suppose is more advantageous in a fight. Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. In a civilised country, that would outweigh the disadvantage of being black. ""You assume that Zimmerman would have shot him in the back, running away??? That's quite a jump, chump...and he is not being charge with that...BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN ANYWHERE BUT IN YOUR MIND!"" NO I DO NOT, Fuckwit, and that wasn't what I said! I made it clear that if I were a black kid who had spent the whole of my life in Florida, I would not have risked my life on the assumption that I wouldn't be shot in the back. And on seeing the man confronting me reach for a pocket, I would have taken preventive action, exactly as Martin did. It's called "Standing Your Ground" under the law of that state, and Martin, fearing that Zimmerman was reaching for a weapon, should have been entitled to the protection of that law. BUT HE WAS BLACK, and now HE IS DEAD! And the whole state seems determined to give his killer a free pass. As for the voice recognition "expert" who fudged any answer, he wasn't the only one who did those tests, just the only one who wouldn't commit to an opinion. Why were the others not called? Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 10 Jul 13 - 06:06 PM Yep, 600 and counting, Beardy & damn near a third of 'em your horseshit. Quite an accomplishment. Congratulations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Richard Bridge Date: 10 Jul 13 - 05:53 PM The unnamed Guest above makes powerful points. If what he says about Zimmerman's head problems is accurate, Zimmerman was a murder waiting to happen. He so badly wanted to be white (and rich) in a racist community that he'd murder a black to prove he was white. It sticks out a mile. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 10 Jul 13 - 04:03 PM That's strange, pdq... The two "expert witnesses' that the prosecution had lined up to testify each said they didn't think the voice matched Zimmerman's... This entire idea that if enough subterfuge is thrown into the trial that Zimmerman will get away with this murder seems to be what the court and the defense wants... This judge should not have allowed the recording to go public, nor should she have allowed the defense to go public with private property of the victim as, no matter how many time you or the other Zimmerman worshipers say it, has no relevance to this trial... So what if Martin smoked pot... I smoke pot, too... Doesn't give anyone the right to murder me or if they do use that as evidence on why I deserved to be murdered... Like I have pointed out... The righties here don't want justice... They want for Zimmerman to get away with murder... Normal... As for this supposed Martin smashing blows down on Zimmerman??? That's a joke... Give me 5 seconds to pound down on you and you are going to look like fucking hamburger... That's bogus... Plus, the other neighbor saw it the other way... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: pdq Date: 10 Jul 13 - 03:43 PM The guys with machines that do voice recognition are not the same as friends and relatives of the two principles. Dr. Hirotaka Nakasone: "It's not possible to scientifically identify who is screaming in the background of a neighbor's 911 call placed to dispatchers the night of the fatal confrontation between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin...However, a person who is familiar with Zimmerman's voice or Martin's voice might have a better chance of identifying it..." Hence, the judge allowed a parade of "witnesses" on both sides to give their opinion(s). Martin's mother said it was her son, friends of Zimmerman said it was him. Nobody was exactly objective. Since the neighbor Jonathan Good said he saw Martin straddling Zimmerman and repeatedly smashing a fist in his face, we need to stop trying to suggest that it was Martin screaming for help. It was Zimmerman as the only true eye witness to the fight has testified. Yes, Jonathan Good said he saw Zimmerman scream for help. A cop testified that Zimmerman said he helped protect the neighborhood, but when he yelled for help, nobody came. He was clearly dissapointed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 10 Jul 13 - 03:32 PM 600 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 10 Jul 13 - 03:31 PM Sorry, Bobert. If a black man were convicted on as little evidence as has been presented, you would be ( rightfully) screaming about the rush to judgement. There were two prosecution experts and three defense experts who were ready to testify- the judge determined that NONE ( emphasis, not shouting) could accurately determine who it was screaming, and presented testimony from one expert to that effect, letting the jury know that someone who knew the screamer might be able to tell. It is up to the jury as to whether the cries are believed to be from Martin or Zimmerman- NOT ( emphasis) you. You have wanted this whole trial to be overturned, advocating illegal actions by the prosecution that would throw it out. You have stated that the only "fair" verdict would be conviction of Zimmerman, regardless of the evidence and his guilt. Please tell me how, other than the color of the people you hate, you are any different from those Klansmen that lynched blacks they "knew' were guilty? Why have a trial, if you will only accept your predetermined result? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 10 Jul 13 - 03:20 PM Well, if the recording was of such poor recognition then why did the judge allow a parade of Zimmerman worshipers to testify for the defense... And why were the two "expert witnesses" that the prosecution lined up not allowed to testify... That's bullshit, pdq... I've got friends who I haven't spoken with in years and when either I call them or they call me we know each other by our voices with a simple, "Hello"... This Dr. Nakasone sounds like another Zimmerman worshiper... This trial is as bogus as a $3 bill... Only the white Republicans here don't see it that way... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: pdq Date: 10 Jul 13 - 03:10 PM Dr. Hirotaka Nakasone, a senior voice recognition scientist with the FBI, testified that there were just over 2 seconds of un-interruped screams and that the recording was of very poor quality. He said the standard for the FBI is 20 seconds of good quality recording involving 16 clearly-spoken words. Still, that would not be absolute enough to decide a man's guilt in a murder case. The judge correctly decided that all the "voice identification" experts (the Defence has three more themselves) would not be allowed in the actual trial, for obvious reasons. The testimony was in the pre-trial hearings, although Nakasone was called back and gave his opinion(s). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 10 Jul 13 - 02:46 PM The judge would NOT allow the prosecution to have testimony of either of the two "expert witnesses" that were trained in voice recognition technology... Both, BTW, had previously said that whereas they could not verify the voice was Martin's that they were sure it wasn't Zimmerman's... That ruling came before the start of the trial and has been 9mm slug to the chest of the prosecution... That's one reason why I say this trial is rigged to get Zimmerman off... One needs to keep in mind the reality that the folks in Florida, especially those sending in big $$$ for Zimmerman's defense, didn't give a flying fig that Martin had been murdered... "Another poor boy dead and in the ground" (Blind Lemon Jefferson) is fine with them... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 10 Jul 13 - 02:41 PM CBS News july 1 2013. George Zimmerman trial: Voice expert testifies during second week of testimony State witness Dr. Hirotaka Nakasone, a senior voice recognition scientist with the FBI, testifies in the George Zimmerman trial in Seminole circuit court, July 1, 2013 in Sanford, Florida. / Photo by Joe Burbank-Pool/Getty Images (CBS/AP) It's not possible to scientifically identify who is screaming in the background of a neighbor's 911 call placed to dispatchers the night of the fatal confrontation between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin, an FBI audio expert testified at Zimmerman's murder trial Monday. However, a person who is familiar with Zimmerman's voice or Martin's voice might have a better chance of identifying it, according to the expert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST Date: 10 Jul 13 - 02:20 PM Guest, I never said that Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin because he was black nor because he didn't want him to get away. There was a struggle but it's a fact that Zimmerman was the true instigator... Race enters into this case in two ways. 1.) Zimmerman racially profiled the kid. Deny it if you want but it's there. 2.) How race generally and predictably plays out in the justice system, especially in the South, is the second thing to consider. Deny it if you want but it's there. Have you ever had a gun pointed at you? Trust me, until you do, you don't how you might react. There are people who do not readily submit to a stranger attempting to detain them at gunpoint without the legal authority to do so. I am of course arguing my own theory. So you're saying that an unarmed individual pursued by a gunman has no right to defend himself. Meanwhile, an armed pursuer has the right to "defend" himself against an unarmed individual's attempts to do the same - with lethal force. Well ok, it's a little twisted, but sure, why not? Hey, your guy's about to walk. You want me to run out and grab some beers so we can celebrate? I'll be right back :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 10 Jul 13 - 01:57 PM "A voice recognition expert was called by the State and did testify." Not according to anything I've read or heard. Just the opposite. Can you document that? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 10 Jul 13 - 01:47 PM Trigger happy? You bet, Keith - deadly force applied unnecessarily. Zimmerman's life was never in immediate danger. See commentary by olddude, et al. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 10 Jul 13 - 01:35 PM A voice recognition expert was called by the State and did testify. "Trigger happy" A fair description of a person who waits until he has been beaten up and then fires a single shot? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 10 Jul 13 - 01:19 PM I heard that there were recordings available of someone's cries for help. That Zimmerman's friends said it was Zimmerman and Martin's family members said it was Martin. The suggestion was made that they submit the recordings for scientific voice analysis, which would be the logical, intelligent thing to do. But the judge would not allow it to be put in evidence. Is this, indeed, true? And if true--why would the judge disallow it? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 10 Jul 13 - 01:00 PM GfinS, Your insistence on defending Zimmerman's every little screw up borders on racism... Like Don T said... I want justice and I want the truth and we ain't getting either here... We're getting Southern style racist justice that gives the defense everything and and anything it wants and fucks with the prosecutors, who BTW, ain't all that great to begin with... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 10 Jul 13 - 12:58 PM GfS: "Do you think Zimmerman would have shot him, if Martin wasn't on top of him, beating him up???" Yes! Simple fact is that Zimmerman wanted to shoot someone. A black teenager in a hoody walking home after buying a bag of candy at the local 7-11? Perfect target! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 10 Jul 13 - 12:45 PM Do black kids deserve execution for walking through a gated community? Damn right they do, Don! Now you're thinkin' like a Floridian and like Bullshit Bruce! A long time comin' but you've finally turned the corner. ;>) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST Date: 10 Jul 13 - 12:07 PM True :-) But I have to say, it could have been worse. If George Zimmerman had been shot and killed with his own gun in the struggle, Trayvon Martin would have been arrested and held until trial, sold out by a court appointed attorney, have already been convicted and would be sitting in a prison cell by now. Because even as the victim, we see an overriding assumption of black male criminality at work here. Imagine if it had turned out another way. Because a disturbed individual was running around with a loaded gun and an itchy trigger finger, Trayvon Martin's fate was sealed either way. I believe that. When I heard Zimmerman say in an interview with Sean Hannity that it was God's will that he shot Trayvon Martin, I thought I was going to be sick. No remorse. Instead, he attributed his own will to God. Now that's delusional. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Jul 13 - 11:44 AM Don T: "Ironically, if he had turned and run, Zimmerman would have paid the penalty he deserves. An entry wound in the back is just so difficult to explain." We cross posted..I didn't think you were going to get any sillier..but you did! You assume that Zimmerman would have shot him in the back, running away??? That's quite a jump, chump...and he is not being charge with that...BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN ANYWHERE BUT IN YOUR MIND! Jeezus peezus! How much more idiotic does it get?? Oh my God, I shouldn't have asked....you'll tell me! Hey, I'm only stating what the case has shown. I don't have a pig in this race..you guys do...so ham it up! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Jul 13 - 11:37 AM Once again, Don T is proud to show how stupid he is! Don T: "Not just what will acquit a man who:- "1. Ignored advice to leave the police to do their job." Not Illegal..bad judgement, but bot illegal "2. Racially profiled and confronted a subject." That is a jump to conclusions,,AND not illegal! "3. Shot an unarmed schoolboy." A. He wasn't in school, so play the sympathetic game... B..and your little unarmed 'schoolboy', was six inches taller than Zimmerman, on top of him beating the crap out of him..THAT IS WHAT THE TRIAL IS ABOUT...the question of self defense or not! 4. Went to work with a loaded gun which, it has been said, is against neighbourhood watch policy. 'It has been said'???? Huh??? Against 'neighbourhood watch policy' is not in itself a crime. EVERYTHING you posted has very little to do with anything other than circumstantial hearsay..adjectives. A trial is supposed to judge the accounts of witnesses, to determine if the accused is guilty as charged. Eulogies and platitudes are not evidence to the facts. The fact that you bring that up in here, is evidence of something else...but that's another story.... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 10 Jul 13 - 11:29 AM ""Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, had called police to report a suspicious person when he spotted Martin. In the videotape, he walked officials through what happened next as he approached Martin. "I reached for my pocket, and I was looking for my phone, and he just punched me in the nose."" So, the defence claim that Martin should have known that George was reaching for a phone, and not a gun? As it turned out, that wasn't so far fetched, was it? If I were black, in Florida, I certainly wouldn't take a chance on that. Faced with the likelihood of being shot in the back if I turned and ran, I too would have smacked him in the jaw, and made every effort to prevent him reaching into his pocket. So would anybody else with half a brain. Unfortunately for Martin, he was considerably outweighed and unable to control Zimmerman, and lost his life as a result. Ironically, if he had turned and run, Zimmerman would have paid the penalty he deserves. An entry wound in the back is just so difficult to explain. Instead, the local law enforcement and Zimmerman's cracker friends have got their story together and with the judge sleeping through the trial, the neighbourhood hero will walk free. After all, it's only another dead n****r. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 10 Jul 13 - 11:08 AM ""But Greggie boy and Bobert DON'T want experts, or evidence, or even the truth- "" Come off it Bruce, FFS! They just want ALL the experts, ALL the evidence, and the WHOLE trurh. Not just what will acquit a man who:- 1. Ignored advice to leave the police to do their job. 2. Racially profiled and confronted a subject. 3. Shot an unarmed schoolboy. 4. Went to work with a loaded gun which, it has been said, is against neighbourhood watch policy. You talk of lynchings! Just what IS your interest in seeing Zimmerman acquitted? Do black kids deserve execution for walking through a gated community? Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Jul 13 - 11:01 AM Dream on. You guys are ignoring the circumstances that led to him being shot, and trying to make it solely a case of him being shot, because Martin was black. Do you think Zimmerman would have shot him, if Martin wasn't on top of him, beating him up??? Yes, I agree that it was a lack of good judgement..on both of their parts. Yes, it would have never happened, if Zimmerman had remained in his car, against the advice of the officer who advised him to stay in his car, BUT, Zimmerman getting out of his car, against that advice, was in itself NOT breaking a law. It was dumb, yes, and he followed Martin, which eventually led to him being assaulted by Martin, according to the evidence...but following a person, does NOT give permission, common sense, or reason, for that person to turn around and accost the guy following you...and technically, and legally, Martin was the first to break the law, by doing so. It was a stupid act of bravado, as was Zimmerman trying to take the law in his own hands. IT WAS ALL STUPID! Guest: "He also clearly indicated that he REALLY did not want the kid to get away. Therefore, the most plausible theory was the gun came out in an attempt to detain the "suspect." Your 'logic' is based on a 'theory'(your words) and a supposition, that he shot him because, 'he REALLY did not want the kid to get away.'...while ignoring the fact, supported by witnesses, and the evidence, by witnesses AND the officers arriving at the scene(Zimmerman' back was wet, had grass on the back, which got there by being UNDER Martin)..I don't think not letting the 'kid get away' was the determining factor, at that point, do you??? Bobert: "It's going to be difficult to get a prosecution"... What???" Originally they weren't even going to charge him, because it was obvious TO THEM that it was self defense...it went to court because of the political fallout, trying to appease guys like you! Bobert: "The stuff on Martin's phone should not be admissible..." And why not? If it was on, while the crime was being committed, why not? You'd be arguing the other way, if it had picked up Zimmerman saying, "You damn nigger, I'm going to shoot you, just for the fuck of it!".....but it didn't, it had what it had, and it didn't support YOUR 'cause', regardless that it was considered an 'ear witness'...it just didn't have what YOU wanted on it.. Guest: "Zimmerman's background shows a lack of good judgement and a distorted sense of threat or danger." Which is completely irrelevant LEGALLY, to what happened in those moments, of the actual crime. The FACT remains, that the prosecution didn't have much to work with, to prove that Zimmerman is guilty, BEYOND a shadow of a doubt, even on a foggy day...and in THIS country(or what's left of it), you are innocent, unless PROVEN guilty...and that hasn't happened,(yet). Also, you talk about the jury pool being influenced by the media..well I certainly hope they weren't listening or watching MSNBC, who doctored the tapes, editing them, to make it sound like, Zimmerman only shot him, because he was black, and George was a racist. You did know about that, didn't you??..or are YOU the one being poisoned by the press releases, and still hung over from it?!?! now you may not like it, neither do I, but the media HAS fanned this up, to bolster the political prejudices of both sides...and that IS a fact...I'm not going to give them the satisfaction of playing their divisive game. You can..and are..YOUR apologetic discrimination, has allowed you to be played like a fiddle...and you're playing THEIR tune!!! Fact is, this was a needless, stupid chain of bad judgements, that led to a dead kid, beat up wannabe, and gas thrown on the biases of a nation, already willfully divided, by the media, exploiting hatred. Don't play...don't play their game....don't be their pawn...be above their manipulations of people's negative emotions. Personally, if truth be known, you had more remorse for your cat that dies, than Martin. Martin only gives you a soap box..get off it! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 10 Jul 13 - 10:39 AM I've done my share of both pot and martial arts and can tell you that the last thing in the world you want to do when you have a buzz on is get into a fight... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST Date: 10 Jul 13 - 10:26 AM And btw, Zimmerman has a psychiatric diagnosis of adult ADHD. Here are the the symptoms: Mental Disorganization Recklessness Marital Difficulties Extreme Distractibility Poor Listening Skills Extreme Restlessness In addition, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder often leads to problems controlling emotions. Many people with adult ADHD are quick to explode over minor issues. Often, adults with ADHD feel as if they have absolutely no control over their emotions. Many times, their anger fades as quickly as it flared, long before the people who dealt with the outburst have gotten over the incident (ie: Trayvon Martin). 4% of the population are diagnosed with adult ADHD. It is an indicator of a troubled individual with behavioral issues, someone who shouldn't have a gun. Zimmerman probably got this diagnosis as a result of one of the unfortunate incidents in his background. And people should also realize that medications that may be prescribed do not cure disorders, they are an attempt to manage symptoms. Additionally, many times the cure is worse than the disease. Zimmerman was taking Adderall, often called prescription speed. It has a full slate of physical and mental side effects comparable to methyl amphetamine and cocaine. And one of them is clearly aggression! It's one of the great myths and true hypocrisies of American society, aided by drug war propaganda, that a little marijuana is dangerous while very dangerous prescription drugs are not. My son smoked marijuana as a teenager and it made him very non-aggressive. That is effect it has on most people. So marijuana does not make people aggressive and people who believe it does have never touched it and are informed by "Reefer Madness." But speed, on the other hand, sure does make people very aggressive. Anyone but a moron knows that. Big Pharma in bed with the psychiatric establishment will do anything to make money regardless of the consequences to individuals and society. Anyone but a moron knows that too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST Date: 10 Jul 13 - 09:14 AM Guest, I think you're making some pretty powerful inferences there. Zimmerman's background shows a lack of good judgement and a distorted sense of threat or danger. He also clearly indicated that he REALLY did not want the kid to get away. Therefore, the most plausible theory was the gun came out in an attempt to detain the "suspect." Look, in my neck of the woods, any record of having attempted to assault a police officer and/or domestic incident would have resulted in a flat denial of a concealed weapons permit and for good reason! I'm telling you, that gun came out, and when calls for help (from either one, doesn't matter) weren't answered, Trayvon Martin attempted to defend himself (which ever one ended up on the top or bottom, again doesn't matter), Zimmerman simply shot him. End of story. It really doesn't take a genius to figure this one out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 10 Jul 13 - 09:10 AM There is no justice here, GfinS... You seem to lose sight of the facts... This is a Southern court where black people have traditionally gotten screwed... This is a Southern judge who, like most Southern judges, is partisan... This judge has already rigged this trial's outcome and guess what??? Ya' give??? Treyvon Martin doesn't get an appeal... As for the media??? They are complicit, too... Seems that all the commentators are saying "It's going to be difficult to get a prosecution"... What??? You don't think the jury pool has heard those comments??? Of course they have... That is called poisoning the jury pool... The stuff on Martin's phone should not be admissible... In releasing it that also poisons the jury pool... This is O.J. all over except worse because is is exposing something that we Southerners have known for years and that is white people in the South still harbor racist feelings toward black people... And in the words of the late Walter Cronkite, "And that's the way it is..." B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Jul 13 - 01:58 AM I think the press has exploited this trial, and now it's gotten too hard to get the genie back into the bottle. It seems no matter what evidence is produced, people have made up their minds, both sides, on their own verdict. the prosecution has presented an anemic case, and in fact helped the defense, You can say that Zimmerman was a cold blooded killer, or Martin was the aggressor, but if you're locked into whatever you WANT the verdict to be, you're not into justice, or finding out what really happened...you just want your verdict to fill the appetite for your personal biases, and truth to tell, whatever the verdict is, I doubt very much that your appetite will be satisfied. My own opinion is that this was completely avoidable, but it happened because of two morons, trying to prove something, that was out of their league...and that goes for Martin, too. I do think, that if Martin's cell phone conversations were released, it might be a surprise for the prosecution, that he bragged to his girlfriend, about confronting Zimmerman....however, that is only speculation, but nonetheless a possibility. Both of them misread each other, both of them re-acted out of their 'misreadings' Zimmerman could have watched Martin from his car...and a guy following you from behind was no excuse for Martin to start punching him out. there doesn't seem to be much question in regards to Zimmerman being on the bottom, of the altercation. Cops arrived, and found his back wet and with grass clipping on it. Zimmerman's account matches the forensics expert, as to who was where, when the gun was fired...-plus the eyewitness seems to corroborate Zimmerman's account. I think the press has done everyone a disservice, in their coverage of the story. it's been over politicized, and treated like a major sports event. I'm not going to argue or debate the opinion...just looking at it, the way it is unfolding. If Zimmerman is acquitted, I really hope there is no violent riots or demonstrations...and if there are, I hope and pray, that NONE of you participate. It would be even more stupidity than the original event. If Zimmerman is convicted, the only lesson that comes out of it, is, don't be a wannabe cop, with a loaded gun...your emotions may not be up to the reality! ..and judging from the angst about it, they're not! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST Date: 10 Jul 13 - 01:07 AM Sorry for all the typos. I got this tiny little screen and this tiny little keyboard, it's late and I'm tired :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST Date: 10 Jul 13 - 01:03 AM Agreed Richard. Like this expert: http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerman-case-dr-hirotaka-nakasone-fbi-and Why didn't the judge allow the tape to be heard in court and then admit the testimony of someone with the expertise to establish that the science simply isn't there to properly identify the screams? Then the judge could have disallowed all biased testimony as to whose voice it was. Think about it. Here, sitting in the courtroom you have two parents who list their 17 year old son. Every night they go home to their tv and listen to all the talking heads say over and over how the screams on the are the "most crucial piece of evidence." Believing their son was the victim, It had to be painful enough for them to have to defend that the screaming for help was their son, for Trayvon's father to be second guessed in court because he told police he didn't know whether it was Trayvon's voice (it was so wrong for police to deal with a parent in shock this way), but then a veritable troupe of Zimmerman supporters saying, "Yes, that's Georgie" etc. All that could have been avoided. All of was useless testimony, except for the defense who used it to their advantage by keeping the jury focused on the last 3 seconds of the encounter instead of the "most crucial" minutes that led up to it. Not to mention the days, weeks, months, and years that led up to it in the life of George Zimmerman. The following article gives insight into how he eventually killed somebody: http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/trayvon-martins-killing-shatters-safe |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Richard Bridge Date: 09 Jul 13 - 07:33 PM "Hired gun" expert witnesses are a problem for justice. This is why (and I never thought I'd have a good word to say for the Woolf "reforms") the new UK Common Procedural Rules encourage (and in some cases require) a single agreed expert whose duty is to the court. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Jul 13 - 06:37 PM Greg: "Please pay attention." Maybe he is, and that's why he's not responding to your posts! GfS P.S. In fact, I wasn't going to either..but I thought a 'clue' may be helpful! But, out of curiosity..what feels better, your tongue or your balls? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 09 Jul 13 - 06:16 PM Ain't attackin' YOU, BullshitBruce - only the obvious horseshit that you post. Please pay attention. |
