BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 02:58 PM

Yup, these are the same people who hide weapons under women and children, so they run near UN posts to avoid being killed, except the Israelis learned to take war seriously and continue to kill them.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 02:19 PM

"The patrol base has been repeatedly caught in deadly crossfire since it was built as an observer post in 1972.


"What I can tell you is this," Hess-von Kruedener wrote. "We have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has come under direct or indirect fire from both artillery and aerial bombing."

"The closest artillery has landed within two metres of our position and the closest 1,000-pound (450-kilogram) aerial bomb has landed 100 metres from our patrol base."

"This has not been deliberate targeting," he added. "But has rather been due to tactical necessity."

Hess-von Kruedener had been an infantry officer with the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry for 20 years.

He served in Cyprus, the Democratic Republic of Congo, formerly Zaire, and twice in Bosnia before joining the UN Truce and Supervision Organization last October. "


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/26072006/2/national-un-peacekeeper-described-constant-bombing-days-death.html

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 01:59 PM

'The Egyptian-born physician said that the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah and the Palestinians would not be ended with ``ceasefires or agreements."

"It is a jihad (holy war) for the sake of God and will last until (our) religion prevails ... from Spain to Iraq," al-Zawahri said. "We will attack everywhere."'

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 01:34 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 01:29 PM

dianavan,

So, what exactly is YOUR objection to the bunker-buster bombs?

They are MORE accurate, reducing casualties to any civilians not occupying the bunkers.

They are designed for hardened military targets, and are more effective than illegal, ball-bearing filled, unguided rockets against strategic military targets.

Or is it that you object to ANY means that Israel might use against Hezbollah?


Meanwhile, Hezbollah launched HOW many unguided, illegal anti-personnel areas bombardment rockets against civilian areas yesterday?


Or is it ok, since they are just killing Jews- ( or Israelis, and any dead Israeli seems to be a good Israeli by your standards...)?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 01:24 PM

And from the same article:

"• Media coverage is like a spotlight. It shines a bright light on the topic at hand, casting other issues into darkness and obscurity. Other, bloodier conflicts are escaping world attention. So far about 40 Israelis and 400 Lebanese have been killed. Far more Iraqi civilians have been killed in sectarian violence in the same period, but you wouldn't know that from watching cable news. As the international community focuses on Lebanon, the genocide in Darfur carries on unabated, with more than 300,000 dead and at least 2.5 million displaced. And the war in the Congo -- the bloodiest conflict since World War II, with more than 4 million deaths and millions displaced -- continues."

Read it and weep.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 01:21 PM

"• Hezbollah instigated the current crisis by crossing the border and killing and capturing Israeli soldiers without provocation. Israel has responded by destroying elements of Lebanon's infrastructure used by Hezbollah. But Hezbollah operates from densely populated urban neighborhoods as well as villages. Civilian deaths are accumulating at about 10 Lebanese for every one Israeli, and hundreds of thousands of Lebanese have been displaced. Israel's targeted destruction in Lebanon has made Israel appear as the aggressor rather than the victim of Hezbollah's attacks. Meanwhile, as Syria takes in Lebanese refugees with open arms, its image is being rehabilitated in Lebanon."

"• So far Hezbollah has fired more than 1,000 katyushas into northern Israel. Their goal is to kill as many Israeli civilians as possible, and they pack the warheads with ball bearings and other crude shrapnel to increase lethality. Hezbollah aims its rockets at Israeli cities and fires, not caring who they hit. Haifa, the city that has received the most katyusha strikes, is the largest "mixed" city in Israel, where Arab and Jewish Israelis work and live side by side. The rockets hitting that city are killing and maiming Arabs as well as Jews."

from here.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: bobad
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 01:14 PM

"Nasrallah knew that the Israeli retaliation for the kidnapping would fall mainly on innocent Lebanese (because they are much easier targets than his elusive guerillas), but he doesn't care. He had a few surprises up his sleeve, like longer-range rockets that could strike deep into Israel and radar-guided Silkworm anti-ship missiles to attack the Israeli warships that used to shell the Lebanese coast with impunity. And if he manages to fight Israel to a draw, he will come out of this the most popular Arab leader since Nasser. "

From an analysis by Gwynne Dyer at http://embassymag.ca/html/index.php?display=story&full_path=/2006/july/19/dyer/

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 01:13 PM

Al-Qaida chief warns Israel over attacks
AL-QAIDA'S second in command today warned they would not stand idly by while Israeli shells "burn our brothers" in Lebanon and Gaza.

Ayman al-Zawahri, number two to Osama bin Laden, said the group now saw "all the world as a battlefield open in front of us."

The taped message was broadcast by al-Jazeera television as the 15-day conflict continued.


from

News.scotsman.com

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Ringer
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 01:10 PM

I agree with Melanie Phillips. Click Here Note that part-1 is below part-2.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 12:58 PM

"Hezbollah did not start this war, Peace."

So, you know better than the Hezbollah leader do you, Dianavan?

'Hezbollah's leader, Hasan Nasrallah, said an hour passed before Israeli forces set out to recover the captives, giving Hezbollah time to smuggle them to a place he called "safe and far, far, far away." He said the attack had been planned for months and was aimed at forcing negotiations that would win the release of three Lebanese held in Israeli jails.'

THAT, lady, is from here.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: bobad
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 12:57 PM

I would support the protest, guest Hedd, if it was balanced by calling for concessions from Hamas and Hezbollah as well. IMO it is not a demonstration for peace rather it appears to be be an anti Israel rally.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 12:51 PM

"Hezbollah did not start this war, Peace."

Say that often enough and you will believe it.


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Will the march also include a protest against the activities of Hezbollah and Hamas? Guess not, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Hedd
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 10:45 AM

WALES AGAINST THE WAR!
The South Wales Stop The War Coalition has organised a protest demonstration to take place in the centre of Cardiff this saturday [29th July ] beginning at 0ne pm outside City Hall.

Among the speakers will be Jill Evans MP together with representatives from CND, Respect,the Labour Party and the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign.

The protest will be calling for
1 An immediate end to the bombing and the invasion of Lebanon.

2 The banning of US arms flights using   British airspace and airports.

3 An end to the attack on Gaza.
HEDD

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,dan
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 10:11 AM

WHO ARE THE MASS MURDERERS?

I regard myself as a very reasonable person but I think you are totally wrong to describe Hezbollah as a "murderous group". They are widely seen in the Lebanon and across the Middle East as a resistance organisation willing and in most cases able, to stand up to Israel and its mighty military machine.

It is Israel that is the aggressor.Israel has destroyed the Lebanon once before without mercy,besieging Beirut for over two months in 1982.Its generals were reluctant then to send in ground forces to take the city so it was pounded from the air,the sea and from land positions with shells,missiles and big bombs.Sounds familiar? Some 20000 Lebanese were killed in that assault which led to the formation of Hezbollah.

It is also true that Israel has raided into the Lebanon on numerous occasions during the past 5 years .Hezbollah's attacks on Israel has to be seen in that context.Israel has also refused to reveal the positions of some 170000 land mines which it scattered on the hills and fields of south Lebanon and which are still maiming and killing the innocent.In addition Israel is holding many Lebanese prisoners who should have been released a long time ago.

In April 1996 one of the most murderous attacks from Israel came when it shelled a UN base at a place called Qana killing 105 Lebanese refugees who had gathered there to seek safety from Israeli attacks on other villages in the area.

Ron,which is the murderous group?

The Lebanese and Hezbollah are right to fight the state terrorism of Israel!What other option do they have?If they don't fight they will be invaded,occupied and treated as the Israelis treat the Palestinians.

To be for peace in the Middle East means to be for justice without which there can be no peace.To be for justice means opposing injustice.The invasion of the Lebanon by Israel is a monstrous injustice and a horrible war crime...a crime against innocent women and children...many ,if not most ,of the casualties in that poor country have been children or the elderly.Limbs have been blown off,shrapnel and glass have cut deep into flesh and others have been incinerated alive.

It is Israel that has committed these crimes on a country wide scale.It has acted as a killing machine and has waged war against the innocent. Who are the mass murderers?
dan

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 08:26 AM

I think it very telling that Israel was told several times that it was shelling a UN observer post - and eventually, after such warnings, it destroyed it with a guided missile.

Ron's short statement above is exactly right.

And to go one further, the Hezbollah kidnap of the Israeli sources was precisely limited to a military target.

The Israeli response has been largely against Lebanese who are not Hezbollah, and against civilian not military targets. That, truly, is terrorism.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 07:28 AM

You can say Hezbollah's rockets must be stopped from attacking Israel. And so they should. But this does not give Israel carte blanche to destroy Lebanon. And that is what is happening.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 07:23 AM

Believe it or not, there is a middle ground to this. Those who complain about "Zionist language" are just as far off base as those who talk about how the Israelis are saving Lebanon by attacking it.

The campaign by Israel was in response to real and worsening attacks on its borders. Israel has a right to defend those borders. But this was the wrong response. I have read it was dictated by internal Israeli politics. Specifically, Olmert, as a leader with no military experience, had to prove he was no paper tiger, especially for his future plans.

What he did, however, has played right into the hands of Hezbollah, a murderous group which does wish the destruction of Israel.

As I said before, the only way out is a strong multinational force, including some Moslem troops (Indonesian perhaps?) stationed on the border. It may be too late to set this up--Israel's actions have alienated too many possible participants.

If Israel had declared a no-go zone for Hezbollah on the border, warned inhabitants of those villages, and enforced this, I could support that.

Most reasonable people in the world, however, cannot support the current campaign by Israel, however, which has included attacking the Lebanese army--which then Israel supposedly hoped would patrol the border--and destroying virtually all bridges, I understand. As well as attacking Beirut. No excuse for that. Israel cannot use this means to keep Hezbollah from being re-supplied. The price for Lebanon is too high.
And all the civilians killed have given Hezbollah a wonderful propaganda windfall. Not
smart on Israel's part--as well as being a terrible human tragedy.

At bottom, as Wolfgang's article noted, this disaster can be laid at Bush's door. Not only did he completely withdraw from the peacemaking process, giving Israel the green light for whatever aggression Israel felt necessary. But also the Iraq war, by giving Hezbollah the argument that the US (and Israel, its proxy) have a plan for the Mideast--first Iraq, then Syria, then Hezbollah--"And we must resist"--gave Hezbollah the opportunity to, completely legally, become part of the Lebanese government. (Its own charitable work also played a role).

By becoming part--in fact an absolutely essential part, from the standpoint of coalition politics--Hezbollah gained the political cover to be even more aggressive towards Israel than previously.

Hezbollah has admitted they did not believe the Israeli reaction would be this massive. But the result has been a huge gain for Hezbollah--and a disaster for Lebanon---- and Israel. Hezbollah, Syria and Iran have gained--and nobody else.

So let's start by granting that Israel has a right to defend its borders--but must stop attacking Lebanon in general.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,dan
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 05:06 AM

To Dianavan,...WORDS ARE WEAPONS TOO!
I don't think it is correct to say that the Hezbollah "kidnapped"the two Israeli soldiers.Far more accurate to say they were captured and made prisoner.

There are reports that they were captured on the Lebanese side of the border.

We know that the Israeli armed forces have consistently made armed incursions into the Lebanon over the past few years to assasinate,recconoitre and take prisoners.There are many Lebanese who have been taken this way.

In fact there are some 9000 Palestinian and Lebanese in Israeli jails-many were taken from their homes in the illegally occupied West Bank against all the rules of international law.

Last week Israeli warplanes buzzed one of the palaces of the President of Syria.If one of the pilots had been shot down and taken prisoner would he have been kidnapped?

We have to be alert to the language that the Zionists use and be prepared to challenge them when they use phrases like"collateral damage" or" targetted assasination" or" incursions ".
Words are weapons too!
dan

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: dianavan
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 03:42 AM

C. Ham,

I thought the report was accurate.

Haven't read anything about any statements being retracted, either.

I'm serious, do you really know Billy Forbes or did you make that up?

I mean how many guys could actually be named Billy Forbes?

I'm from B.C.

Hezbollah did not start this war, Peace. Hezbollah kidnapped a couple of Israeli soldiers whom they intended to use as bargaining chips for the release of their women and children. It was the over-reaction by Israel that "started this war."

I suspect that Israel has been planning to invade Lebanon for quite some time now. That's why Bush was so intent on moving Syria out of the way.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 02:50 AM

Children infants and women and old men too sitting on top of 14,000 Iranian and Syrian supplied missiles that were killing israeli arabs and jewsish children women old men and infants.... fuck off sammy

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 02:43 AM

It makes one wonder why an organization like Hezbollah, knowing it was up against such massive firepower, decided to start this war.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,sammy
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 02:35 AM

reply to robomatic

You call Hezbollah terrorist but we have seen on our television screens who the real terrorists are.

It has been the state terror of the Israeli armed forces waging a sort of [lets not call it war ] slaughter on the Lebanese which is the real terror.

Here we have one of the most powerful armies in the world and it can't wait to drop its big bombs,cluster bombs,white phospherous bombs and artillery shells on who exactly???infants in the arms of their mothers,young teenagers fleeing in cars, elderly granparents and just about anyone else either hiding in cellars or trying to escape.That's not war !It is pure terrorism!Refined barbarism!

The invasion of the Lebanon has been a monstrous crime...but it is being resisted and Hezbollah is leading the resistance.It came into being to fight the Israeli invasion last time and it will be the sand in the Israeli war engine this time.
sammy

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,robbie
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 02:12 AM

Magaret Beckett ,who is apparently the British foreign secretary,has been reported as sending a strong letter of objection to the Bush govt sending bunker busting monster bombs via Britain to Israel.

The aircraft delivering the bombs refuelled in Scotland and its crew wers able to rest there before flying off with their bomb load.
It is highly likely that Beckett will either resign or be sacked by Blair in the near future.
Meanwhile, the bombs will be used to blow up some of the few tower blocks left standing in Tyre or Beirut.
robbie

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,george
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 02:06 AM

Two trucks full of vegetables were blown up by Israeli missiles this morning.....those peppers must have been hezbollah
george

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 12:39 AM

There's the rub. Hezbollah and Hamas have zero interest in a 'lasting peace'. They want Israel gone and all Jews dead. Period. Is it something in the water?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 12:34 AM

Ron:

I would support a cease fire including Hezbollah giving up its weapons and territory to the Lebanese Army, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Otherwise, what's to guarantee this whole thing won't play over again?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: C. Ham
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 12:11 AM

Dianavan,

You're too much.

That "Forbes" report is actually an inaccurate Associated Press report filed on July 12 at 5:41 am by reporter John Panossian.

The link that I supplied in my first response was also to an Associated Press report filed by John Panossian on July 12 at 7:48 pm.

I e-mailed AP and asked about the discrepancy.

The earlier report was unverified and ultimately found to be inaccurate. All news outlets that received the feed were advised that it should be withdrawn and replaced with later reports.

But I suppose the earlier report serves the needs of lying propagandists.

So where are you from?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 10:32 PM

Your suggestion sounds amazingly like "we had to destroy the village to save it".

That didn't play very well the first time.

And really doesn't sound any better now.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 10:16 PM

"self-defense by the Israelis to save Lebanon"

Robo--your bias is showing. Somehow I don't think that's how the Lebanese see it. They might possibly prefer it if the Israelis stopped bombing Lebanon.

A cease-fire---with no conditions---would possibly meet with Lebanese approval, don't you think?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 09:04 PM

Here ya go, C. Ham

http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/12/ap2873051.html

You may live in Toronto but is that where you went to school? The Billy Forbes I know did not live in Toronto.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 08:39 PM

Guest, Sammy: lemme tell ya a question:

I take it that you support the 1967 borders defining Israel and Israel's right to defend them as stated by CarolC?

As for your li' ol' diatribe, here it is cast through the filter of truth:
The terrorists you support are a bunch of racist mass murderers who are currently slaughtering women and children,the elderly and toddlers.

They are flattening apartment blocks and destroying convoys of civilian vehicles full of children and the elderly.

The terrorist killers are like the mafiosi [except the mafia did not murder so many ]. They started this war by crossing into Israeli territory, killing eight and capturing two soldiers and Israel attempts to protect its borders and its people with attacks on Hezbollah held territory. Hezbollah hides behinds thousand of women and children. This is exactly what the bad guys do in the police movies.

Hezbollah has thousands of rockets to hit Israeli cities with. They've even killed kids in Nazareth. Although it is too busy slaughtering to draw breath something is going very wrong for the mighty Hezbollah fighters. After this is over the Lebanese and their friends WILL remember how it all started.

Hamas and Hezbollah have shown themselves to be punchdrunk on power; mad for blood; hungry for revenge; oafs with Iranian rockets; pyschopathic killers of children.

Hezbollah is powerful enough that the Lebanese Army does not dare try to disarm it. It is taking self defence action by the Israelis to save Lebanon!

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 08:27 PM

"punchdrunk on power; mad for blood; hungry for revenge; oafs with big bombs;pyschopathic killers of children"

Sounds a bit like Nikita Khrushchev. Wre you banging your shoe on the table when you wrote that?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 08:16 PM

To Bobad--Context?? Palestinean apologists don't need no stinking context!! (w/ apologies to John Houston and "Treasure of the Sierra Madre") Context just gets in the way of hate and mucks things up.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: bobad
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 05:54 PM

""According to media reports, the USA is transferring GBU 28 bunker-buster bombs containing depleted-uranium warheads to Israel for use against targets in Lebanon.""

GOOD, maybe that'll rid south Lebanon of that band of terrorists and their rockets and restore some peace to the region.

"Israel has illegally occupied the West Bank and the Golan Heights since 1967 and shows absolutely no sign of returning them to their legal owners , Palestine and Syris respectively."

Maybe if you provide some context regarding the reason why Israel occupied them in the first place a more balanced understanding of that situation would enlighten some here.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: C. Ham
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 05:52 PM

C. Ham - You can easily find the article from Forbes. Don't be so lazy. Go google yourself.

btw - I know Billy Forbes. Where are you from?

OK Dianavan, I Googled your phrase and it brought up several anti-Israel and anti-Semitic blogs that quoted it. Nothing, though, from Forbes itself.

So then I went to the Forbes site and fed the phrase into their search engine. Results = O, nada, gounisht, bubkes.

In other words, the supposed Forbes article is another propaganda lie and you've just proven robomatic's statement that "dianavan is a parrot for liars."

I live in Toronto.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,jen
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 05:51 PM

Those bunker bombs mentioned above are just as likely to be used on towns and cities.It has happened before!In 1982 Israel obliterated Beirut with its bombs and shells and tanks and missiles.It intends to do the same again!!
jen

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,sammy
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 05:47 PM

Robomatic
You wilfully fail to see the elephant in the living room!!
While you bleat on about the 1967 borders Israel continues to invade,destroy ,terrorise and humiliate.

The Zionists you support are a bunch of racist mass murderers who are currently slaughtering women and children,the elderly and toddlers.

They are flattening apartment blocks and destroying convoys of civilian vehicles full of children and the elderly.

The zionist killers are like the mafiosi [except the mafia did not murder so many ]. A couple of soldiers get captured on the border and Israel attempts to exterminate a whole country. Hundreds of kids in the way..Blow 'em up! Ambulance medics at work..Destroy'em!...UN observers ...Exterminate!

Although it is too busy slaughtering to draw breath something is going very wrong for the mighty Israeli army......the Hezbollah fighters are proving to be a match .

The Israelis have shown themselves to be punchdrunk on power; mad for blood; hungry for revenge; oafs with big bombs;pyschopathic killers of children.

The Israeli military is like the murderous thug pounding his victim into submission but this time it ain't gonna happen!
sammy

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 05:41 PM

"The US Air Force's BLU-113 "bunker buster" warhead was originally developed in a hurry during the 1991 Gulf War to attack fortified Iraqi command centres deep underground.
It is a 4,500 lb (2,041 kg) penetrating warhead, later used in Serbia and in Afghanistan, and now in the Iraqi capital, Baghdad.

It is carried in the form of the GBU-28 laser-guided bomb by the B-2 stealth bomber and F-15E fighter-bomber, or the GBU-37 satellite-guided bomb by the B-2 alone.

Satellite guidance means the bomb can be used even through cloud or smoke - because laser guidance, though highly accurate, is degraded by those.

The warhead includes more than 600 lb (272 kg) of high explosive - the rest is believed to be dense depleted uranium."

from the www

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 05:35 PM

"Background

Lebanon crisis

Israeli-Palestinian conflict

More DUBAI, July 24 (Reuters) - The United States will soon provide Israel with some 100 "bunker buster" bombs to kill the leader of Lebanon's Hizbollah guerrilla group and destroy its trenches, Asharq al-Awsat newspaper reported on Monday.

Quoting unidentified informed sources in both Washington and Tel Aviv, the Saudi-owned Arabic daily said the bombs, which can penetrate up to 40 metres (130 feet) under ground, would be shipped to Israel from a U.S. military base in Qatar."

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 05:26 PM

From Amnesty Inernational -
"According to media reports, the USA is transferring GBU 28 bunker-buster bombs containing depleted-uranium warheads to Israel for use against targets in Lebanon."

C. Ham - You can easily find the article from Forbes. Don't be so lazy. Go google yourself.

btw - I know Billy Forbes. Where are you from?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,A senator in a seersucker suit
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 03:34 PM

a simple 'yes' or 'no' will be suffice.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 03:27 PM

Guest, David, freda underhill:

May I ask each of you the same question I've posed to some of the other posters here who have lambasted Israel in the current conflict. This is NOT a tacit approval of Israel's conduct, merely an overall view of the situation. I think it can be answered yes or no, but if you feel different and wish to speak to the issue of the question, please do so:

I take it that you support the 1967 borders defining Israel and Israel's right to defend them as stated by CarolC?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: C. Ham
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 01:46 PM

From Forbes:

"The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to look for them."

What Forbes? You don't provide much of an attribution so I assume you're quoting Billy Forbes, a kid I knew in grade school who kept getting sent to the principal's for telling fibs.

In any case, check any reputable news source. They'll tell you that "Hezbollah's brazen cross-border raid opened a second front for the Israeli army."

Associated Press report from The Toronto Star

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 01:39 PM

oops- targeted, not targets in the last line...

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 01:37 PM

freda,

"Hezbollah's rockets have been targeted overwhelming at strategic locations: the northern economic hub of Haifa, its satellite towns and the array of military sites across the Galilee. "


The UNGUIDED, area mass bombardment rockets that they have been randomly firing at civilian areas are "targeted overwhelming at strategic locations:" ?   



I guess you did not note the ball bearing holes in all the pictures of rocket attacks on Israel- Great for killing and maiming people ( definitely "anti-personnel") but of little use against any military ( "strategic" target.


Can I please get some of whatever you are smoking?????



"of its strikes against residential neighborhoods, cars, ambulances, and factories to see why most of the dead being extracted from the rubble are civilians. "


So, you are willing to condemn HEZBOLLAH for illegally using "residential neighborhoods, cars, ambulances, and factories" as launch areas for their illegal area mass bombardment rocket launches, which Israel responds to with targets artillary and guided bonbs?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 01:27 PM

From Forbes:

"The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to look for them."

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 01:10 PM

I stand corrected.

I'm not sure where I got that info about the Israeli soldier being in Lebanese territory. I'll keep googling to see where I got that idea.

In the meantime, I found this from Aritz:

"Israel routinely crosses the border into Gaza by air and occasional ground and armored troops, for their own operations."

.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,David..in defence of dianavan
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 12:11 PM

In Defence of Dianavan!
It is perfectly obvious that Israel has no respect for borders!

In 1956 Israeli paratroops took part in the invasion of Egypt along with British and French forces.Thousands of Egyptians in Port Said were killed.

Israel has illegally occupied the West Bank and the Golan Heights since 1967 and shows absolutely no sign of returning them to their legal owners , Palestine and Syris respectively.

In 1982 Israel destroyed the Lebanon. Some 20 000 Lebanese were killed in that invasion and Beirut was destroyed ....just as it has been during the past few weeks. In addition the Israelis masterminded the slaughter at Sabra and shatila refugee camps by Phalangist right wing murderers.Job well done said the commander of the Israeli forces the next day despite guarantees being given to the Palestinians in the camps.Some 2000 were killed there and many women raped.

In addition Israel has raided into the Lebanon on numerous other occasions to asassinate,blow up and kidnap Lebanese people.In 1996 the Israeli military attacked a UN base at Qana in southern Lebanon with artillery fire killing over a hundred refugees in a mass slaughter.Over one hundred others were injured.

The present invasion is a bloody disgrace ,almost unbelievable that at the start of the 21st century one of the most powerful states in the world can bomb another country into the Stone Age.This is an act of barbarism that deserves a war crimes tribunal.

Of course the other border it had no repect for is the land that it has stolen repeatedly from the Palestinian people who are still resisting the takeover of their country by an armed and mainly European people!
David

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: C. Ham
Date: 26 Jul 06 - 11:36 AM

True.