BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 06:11 PM

It could be construed from the following epithets (just from the first few pages), that you view your fellow debaters with more than a little disdain?


"Bollocks" and a further twelve equally humorous variants.



Deary, deary me, ake. If you had read a little deeper you would have noticed that 'Bollocks' was an inspired salutation suggested by Don T. It was adopted by me as being a suitable substitute for 'Amen' which is already taken by a number of existing religions. Please do look further than the end of your nose when endeavouring to prove me wrong. Now, how about a real example of me suggesting that people of faith are idiots.

Jack. No idea what you are on about. You have still not said where I tried to inhibit the discussion of homosexuality. I thought telling lies was a sin to you devout folks?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 06:11 PM

"Time for bed",said Zebedee.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 06:47 PM

"Jack. No idea what you are on about. You have still not said where I tried to inhibit the discussion of homosexuality. I thought telling lies was a sin to you devout folks? "

I haven't said that you "tried to inhibit the discussion of homosexuality" tossing me a straw man eh? What do you take me for? An idiot?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 01:24 AM

I've been known to, if that helps, sailor boy.

You are slightly naive too if you think logic and common sense is going to influence the rather sinister words of pete in his latest bollocks. ( Unlike my learned friend of Gnomish heritage, I use the word for abuse as well as salutation.)

Worm, seeing people as your equal isn't an agenda, it's amongst other things a prerequisite in decent society.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 02:57 AM

akenaton: Date: 07 Jan 14 - 12:58 PM
"Dave, you Steve and Ian have referred to people of faith who write here as if they were idiots, they have also been the butt of many lame jokes."

Hi, Ake!
Follow me on this one...

The reason they do that is how they've come to assimilate 'reality'... in the material world...which can be measured, calculated, manipulated into political and religious systems for controlling the masses. So their concepts of 'religious' and/or political order is view from the material world, to work its way upward to a 'better system'...even if they have to destroy one or the other to accomplish it.

But you referred to .."...people of faith who write here...". See the 'faith' part is what throws them off. If you say, 'people of faith', well, that is automatically thought of as being a religion, or religious based doctrinal stance, from an establish religion...and being as they are already material based targets, as politics, they can rip each other's eyes out..and do so accurately...BUT...there is a completely DIFFERENT connotation to your phrase, 'people of faith'..to which is NOT subject to the realms of the material....and that is those who have been accessed to 'Conscientiousness'...as opposed to 'Materialism'. Those who can see a collective higher reality, have a very difficult time conveying what that is, to a world, that has redefined some of the terms, as merely to relaying to a materialist church entity...consequently, they have a hard time articulating that which has been accessed to 'consciousness' into the material frame of reference.
They are two completely different worlds of thought...and as far as politics and religion those are the lower forms....Conscientiousness being the higher.....but its harder to be accurate in that one, and still manipulate masses of people....so the ennoble the two lower forms, and play their games...for, well greed, lusts, pride, admiration, wealth, power, sensuousness, notoriety and other fantasies, that can only come true by the power they suck off other people.....However, had they have got their insights from Conscientiousness, those methods would be completely a useless folly....so they call 'people of faith' idiots...but only because 'people of faith' aren't listening to being controlled by a lower nature of intelligence.

That was simple.

Here's a simple illustration..
The frame of mind one is in while composing/building/crafting/etc a piece of fine music....versus the frame of mind of selling it.


Here..remember this one?..It speaks of the same:

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 06:28 PM

"Oh, I know...Disregard, for yourself and your fellow mankind, IS in FACT....STUPIDITY!!.....and fucking stupidity has killed more on the planet, than all the intentional ill-intent!!!

Its roots begin with 'ones feelings for self gratification'.....and by lying to ourselves creating another."

..and all that killing was facilitated through the use of a religion or political notion...How fucking intelligent is THAT??????????????

"Everyone else can fill in their own conclusion.....(s)......"

Regards!!...Especially to those who got their 'Faith' from the intelligence gathers, from visit 'Conscientiousness'....or even the reverse......

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 04:51 AM

From: Jack the Sailor - PM
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 04:02 PM

Dave on the one hand you say HIV should not be discussed on this thread....

From: Jack the Sailor - PM
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 06:47 PM
...

I haven't said that you "tried to inhibit the discussion of homosexuality"

No straw men here Sailorboy. Look at the facts. Now you will never get to heaven!

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 05:00 AM

Hi Goofus.

I'm glad you asked the worm to follow you, because I got lost at the first junction.

You do seem to know a lot about people. How much do you charge for a session? On your couch? I can bring my own pocket watch if you wish, I have a small collection that I swallow from time to time. It helps pass the time away.

Don't lecture me on materialism. I have ultimate faith in Sheffield Wednesday.....

I also have a degree of faith in human nature. It isn't irrational to dismiss the fairies at the bottom of the garden though. The worm too dismisses fairies, but with sinister intent.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 05:07 AM

I wont be trawling for more examples Dave, your equation of "Bollocks" etc, etc, etc, with "Amen" is quite enough to be going on with.
I am sure most people of faith here would find that extremely offensive and a sign that you saw them and their views as idiotic.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 05:17 AM

Sanity....Thanks for that post, and it reflects almost exactly the views of "militant atheists" as I see them.
"Faith" is a real obstacle to their agenda, which is ultimately to have power over others, not for the benefit of society, but to enhance the personal power of the self proclaimed "Messiahs"( Dawkins et al!)....:0)

Best wishes   Ake.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 05:23 AM

I wont be trawling for more examples

Pity really, because you will not find any. Still, I take that as your acceptance that it is so.

I am sure most people of faith here would find that extremely offensive and a sign that you saw them and their views as idiotic.

I am sure most people 'of faith' here can speak for themselves and, even if they could not, would prefer to elect their own spokesman. I have already said, but will repeat it as you seem to not understand what I say and I will assume that is my fault, I do not view people 'of faith' as stupid or idiotic. I view people who try to foist their own faith on others as the truth and brainwash innocent children as both dangerous and idiotic.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 12:43 PM

I love how someone can be indignant on behalf of religious people but by calling himself an atheist, infer he is above their superstition too.

If "bollocks" is offensive, is two men playing with each other's bollocks offensive? If so, how?

Most people find your outbursts offensive worm, so how the flying fuck can you admonish people for posting things you claim are offensive to others ? Dave doesn't call large sections of society perverts, he doesn't say they exist outside of natural law, he doesn't wish they were rounded up and assaulted.

By the way, I sincerely hope your new troll is mistaken.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 12:44 PM

There are other ways of making your point Dave. Personally I don't believe in "indoctrination" on any subject either.

Ian is as "fundamental" as any mad Muslim in the support of his "faith"; look at the length he goes to in abuse and attempted intimidation.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as concerened
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 02:29 PM

Now listen!! I am an everyday sort of a chappess, without an axe to grind with any one? is this making sense up to now?

But when I hear words like indoctrination, fundamental, I do get a little fecked up in me head.. but listen, when me sweet baby muskett starts talikng about other dudes clems/ bollocks.. whooooooho!!! sweet cheeks...I am starting to smell/taste the cheese!!

Bloody Hell!!! the ultra rightwing swinging pricks, Gnomet, Jerk the sailior and Alkeneton are at it again with their usual tediouse, misguided Daily Mail reading right wing buffoonery..Hey barnacle balls, drop the god bothering pose, we all know what you are?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 02:35 PM

Jack ,jack ,jack! I bet the so called evidences for Darwinism you learnt in your youth are in the evolution dustbin now and the theory has changed a lot since then, hardly recognisable from the story fifty years ago. Ok....I admit it,...I read that on cmi. But if that's not true lets have that evidence that so strongly supports evolutionism,   What's with the rainbow and Newton?   He wrote more about theology than the science he is so rightly lauded for, and I am sure he had the understanding that discovering the natural laws behind a rainbow, or any other phenomenon , in no way negates the divinity who created everything and the natural laws by which they operate.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 03:01 PM

Musket: "I also have a degree of faith in human nature. It isn't irrational to dismiss the fairies at the bottom of the garden though. The worm too dismisses fairies, but with sinister intent."

A degree in human nature???..Does it include what they are ignoring which has been theirs all along??

Dave the Gnome: "I view people who try to foist their own faith on others as the truth and brainwash innocent children as both dangerous and idiotic."

By people foisting their faith on others, are you referring to religious (dogma), political (propaganda), or atheist (tired of fucking with working it up)?....or all of them??

Ake: "Sanity....Thanks for that post, and it reflects almost exactly the views of "militant atheists" as I see them."

"reflects almost exactly"....yeah..sorry for the typos!

Regards All!..Hope you all find conscientiousness...or find happiness clinging to your favorite illusion!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 03:29 PM

I wouldn't write off fairies either Sanity, the folks of the Scottish West Coast always believed in the spirits of nature...there is a great rock mound not far from where I live, which has always been known as the "Fairy Knowe".

The old one used to tell the stories of singing and music coming from the summit on summer nights....the strange lights and fires set on the flat top
Rivers streams and woodland all had their guardian sprites.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 03:43 PM

Ian, I don't think I am in the least above "their superstition" I think it takes great strength of character to have a belief in spirituality, whether it be in nature or in God.
At present I have difficulties with the idea of "the priesthood" or the organisation of religion, but I would like to have a faith.

Maybe someday...

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 03:57 PM

>>You are slightly naive too if you think logic and common sense is going to influence the rather sinister words of pete in his latest bollocks. ( Unlike my learned friend of Gnomish heritage, I use the word for abuse as well as salutation.) <<

Do think the proper approach to influencing someone is to slap them down and insult them as a nun might in a Catholic school?

Oh ye of so much faith and religious tactic! Who is the Atheist here?

I'm not trying to influence pete. I'm just sharing my point of disagreement an my own experience as one adult to another.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 04:53 PM

Ake: "I wouldn't write off fairies either Sanity,..."

Just make sure they all get tested for HIV!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 05:07 PM

" I bet the so called evidences for Darwinism you learnt in your youth are in the evolution dustbin now and the theory has changed a lot since then, hardly recognisable from the story fifty years ago."

You would lose that bet.


"Darwinism?" Did I say "Darwinism?" :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 05:10 PM

Where's the missing link???????????
Methinks it's in the 'logic'!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 05:12 PM

By people foisting their faith on others, are you referring to religious (dogma), political (propaganda), or atheist (tired of fucking with working it up)?....or all of them??


All of them in theory. But unlike the religious and political I see no evidence of the atheist, even the militant variety if it does indeed exist, causing wars and suffering in it's name. If there are any doing so, I would abhor them along with the other fanatics. Please guide me to anything that proves otherwise and I shall study it with interest.

No idea what you mean by 'tired of fucking with working it up'.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 05:15 PM

Methinks Pete is a belever in as well as a practitioner of Bullshitism.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 06:33 PM

"Methinks Pete is a belever in as well as a practitioner of Bullshitism. "

Are you implying that his BS is out of place in this, of all places?


There is no doubt in my mind that he is pulling chains and enjoying it.

It is the name calling and other unkind, argumentative vitriol from his detractors that is out of place.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 06:44 PM

Are you implying that his BS is out of place in this, of all places?

Not at all. Its just that his line of BS is exceptionally idiotic. He could bullshit for England.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 07:02 PM

I see you are still trying out for USA Vitriol.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 11:21 PM

So, to be a religious militant atheist, you have to have nothing to do with God....but God is Love....so if you don't want Love..Fuck you..you deserve what you get...and shut the fuck up about it!..What did you expect??..Empathy???....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 11:23 PM

Understanding???...Fuck No!..Why should we???..Because we're Expected to???

Hey, fuck off with that 'FAITH in us' shit!


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 01:25 AM

I spent my youth trying to find love. Never occurred to me to look in churches for it , although apparently I might have found sex after a fashion.

By the way Goofus. I said I had a degree of faith in human nature. You altered it to a degree in faith in human nature. Naughty ......

Eyup lover!! If men playing with each other's bollocks is sexy talk on my part, wait till I regale you with an account of the moves leading up to Sheridan's goal in the 1991 League Cup Final.

Worm. Want to find faith? Really? Lose the bigotry and hate. Could be a good start. Although when picking a cult within a faith, you may have the opportunity to find it again.

Jack. I reckon pete is the real deal. By saying he is pulling our chains is about as insulting to him as you reckon I am to you. Trust me on that one.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 04:24 AM

Well, I didn't think universities were handing out degrees in it...but you never know on ..or, in..Mudcat!....jeez,maybe I was giving you more credit than you thought....
Oh well, Cheers!


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 04:58 AM

Don't give me credit Goofus me old teapot, I have my street cred to think about.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as concerened
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 10:00 AM

Prunery, buffoonery,mummery, ginger cake eating seventh day ball turning over cretinisity, carried out by the usual thumb sucking dribbling no marks...I see nowt has changed since last year except a tad more boringisity...glad to see me sweet bay muskett is keeping the faith..how are there hanging sweet pants..?xxxxxxxxxxxx... mmwah!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket swooning
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 10:37 AM

They are hanging all the better for hearing from you sugar drawers xxxxxxx

Just off to get a cold shower

Ok back now.



Did you know that a professor noted that not only does one hang lower than the other, but gravity gets it wrong as the smaller one is normally lower than the larger one. And that Greek sculptures are wrong.

That got him an Ig Nobel Prize, that did.

In fact, if you hang low long enough, Keith A hole of Hertford will google his name for us. Together with the bits I got wrong, and therefore not a reliable posting type person.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 11:01 AM

I,m all for an adult exchange of ideas, jack, but as you are sure that I would lose a bet on any Darwinian proofs being still convincingly offered after say, fifty year on, I invite you to elucidate.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 12:05 PM

I see you are still trying out for USA Vitriol

Nah, I got booted on the first cut. I'm strictly an amateur, Jack.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 04:49 PM

Nope, not in the dustbin, quite recognizable. You lose.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 05:04 AM

What's a Darwinian proof? I thought that as a scientist he researched and proposed a hypothesis?

Just because his Dad wanted him to be a vicar, doesn't mean he had learned how to demand nonsense as fact because it has some biblical kite mark. In fact, his superstitious upbringing hampered his efforts somewhat. So sad.

The age of discovery and enlightenment managed, as ever, to provoke a superstitious backlash. 'Twas ever thus.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 05:41 AM

"The age of discovery and enlightenment managed, as ever, to provoke a superstitious backlash. 'Twas ever thus."

'Twas the night before Christmas.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 07:55 PM

that did not elucidate at all, jack. just another assertion.
you sure I lose?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 08:01 PM

Lose what??..NOTHING!!...You understand something, somehow not conveying it to where someone else understands it...Doesn't mean you lost anything.
If it's tangible to you....you still have it....oh, and BTW, I'm NOT ragging on you....


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 08:13 PM

you still have it.

Question is, can it be cured?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 11:55 PM

We are talking about a bet Gfs. you can lose a bet if you make an unwise one,

I would accept pete's challenge except that he is trying to change the terms. I said" told of the discoveries that supported it one after another."

he wants to change that to.

" Darwinian proofs being still convincingly offered"

As I have no idea what a Darwinian proof might be and since the statement I made was about the way the evidence was prevented, not precisely what evidence, I win the bet.

If pete wants to waste my time presenting pseudo-scientific gibberish at me all I can say is that I don't believe there is any evidence that trilobites and dinosaurs coexisted. It does not say so in the Bible and that his guesses as to what happened in far pre-history are far less informed than, say Dawkins'.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 12:29 AM

Oh..OK...are you guys still debating that??..Jeez, that's been running for a couple of years now.....I think before you two resolve that, we may evolve to yet another life-form!..or slip back into primordial slime.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 02:53 AM

I can name one individual who is already part of Goofus's primordial slime.

I don't think it is evolution though. Regression maybe.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,troll replacing the troll who is not a troll
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 04:56 PM

O dear..I see Seamen Staynes is back in this rather pointless debate.Along with his stable mate, the arch fraud gnoming, the bumbling hominid seems hell bent in messing up a perfectly good debate on religion and atheism.

As usual he is back to his usual form in being very quick to invoke the threads police if there is a sniff of some one breaking his supposed rules...wake up sneak..no one likes a brown nose.
Why don't you leave the thread to sensible positive people like sweet cheeks musket and moi?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 06:47 PM

ok jack, if I changed the terms of the "bet" .I apologize. I assume you have more to offer than trilobites and dinos in different places in the geologic column, so please elucidate on your own terms .
btw - on the above,-under the vast earth shattering conditions of the global flood we should expect some sorting of organisms, and also some exceptions to what would be expected, and I think both scenarios are documented.
and while you mention pseudo science-
Piltdown man,-a poor forgery but as evolutionism was[and still is] assumed ,it was four decades before it was rumbled.
subsequent discoveries purporting to be pre human in the evolution bin. was it nebraskah man that was imagined and illustrated from a single tooth, which turned out to be from a pig?!
so called vestigial organs supposedly leftovers from evolution, now known to be nothing of the sort.
the junk dna idea which supposedly also evolutions not needed leftovers is quickly getting junked as increasingly functions are found.
and of course there is still the little matter of those dino bones exhibiting signs of being no where near 65 MYO. But because you "know" the evolution story is true you now "know" that soft tissue etc can last that long !.

and I know that no matter how many examples I may present , the true believers will just say creationists are selective in presenting their evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 07:44 PM

OK, pete, your faith that there was a worldwide flood within the past 6,000 years is impressive. But two can play the picking holes in the details card if we are to toss out the scientific method. Tells us, how did the kangaroos get to Noah and after the flood was over, how did they get back to Australia. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 02:29 AM

I can't help you with that Jerk. But with all those animals , there must have been a hell of a lot of mucking out required. If you toss it overboard, something has to happen to it.

As Christopher Columbus found out.







Hi sexy drawers!   xx.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 01:07 PM

Do I assume jack, that you are backing off from the bet?   Avoidance by way of throwing up a different challenge instead?      And as my last post detailed, seems to me it is the evolutionists that often ..toss out the scientific method.      Please rest assured that the kangaroos and down under are not new objections and there are answers. I will be happy to supply such just as soon as you confirm you have pulled out of the bet, or supply an answer to the aforementioned..............musket, a scientist has done a feasibility study on the ark , including the problem of waste product.....not that you really want an answer,   I suspect!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as the troll concer
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 04:12 PM

Can I please ask a question? How do you no hopers get from religion to kangaroos in one easy move?.If barnacle balls is as much of a mariner as he claims, he would have been instructing Noah how to get his kangaroos down under?