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Les in Chorlton 23 Oct 08 - 01:36 PM
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Subject: Tech: Noteworthy still the best?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 01:36 PM

I have just been using a trial of Noteworthy for writing simple dance tunes. Seems pretty good. Is it still the best "entry level" programme for musical simpletons like myself?

I know lots of progs. do a lot more but this seems to do all I need. Am I missing something?

Cheers
L in C


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Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy still the best?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 02:38 PM

I have used it for years, and I don't think you are missing anything.

With it, you can download music and edit it. You can add lyrics and edit them.

You can compose your own. All for about $40 - 50, compared to hundreds for other programs.

You do have a MIDI piano keyboard, don't you? You'll need that.

There's one thing it can't do, but I believe there's no program that can do it. No program can 'listen' to you play a tune and then produce the notes for what you just played. That's because computers are too sensitive and they detect every subtle variation of timing. Then they produce a bunch of crazy-looking tied notes and little rests that nobody can figure out.
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I'm sure of this. If you wait for the 'perfect program,' you will waste valuable time that could go into making music instead.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy still the best?
From: Tangledwood
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 06:28 PM

Melody Assistant meets all of my needs, I don't know how it compares with Noteworthy. It has a free trial period then costs, I think, about $US25.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy still the best?
From: IvanB
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 07:14 PM

I've used NoteWorthy for about ten years now and I think it's absolutely the best of the less expensive programs of this sort. And, although I have a couple midi keyboards, I've never used either of them in NWC. I find I can work just as fast, if not faster, using my computer keyboard.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy still the best?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 11:29 PM

I play piano, so when I think music, I think in terms of piano keys. Perhaps a person who has never played doesn't need a piano keyboard, as you say, Ivan.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy still the best?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 11:34 PM

'Cakewalk', and 'Pro Tools' can do that, and even print out what you what you just played. You might try using an external hard drive, with a 'fire wire'...you can play, at speed, its recorded and written...then you can edit from the page(or screen)!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy still the best?
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 11:35 PM

I've used Noteworthy for years and it suits my simple needs. Only thing I wish it did that it doesn't is handle grace notes.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy still the best?
From: TheSnail
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 03:56 AM

Cluin

Only thing I wish it did that it doesn't is handle grace notes.

Yes it does. Look up the "Grace Notes Command" in the Help files. PM me if you need more detailed help.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy still the best?
From: Silas
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 04:01 AM

I have used it for years, and I don't think you are missing anything.

With it, you can download music and edit it. You can add lyrics and edit them.

"You can compose your own. All for about $40 - 50, compared to hundreds for other programs.

You do have a MIDI piano keyboard, don't you? You'll need that.

There's one thing it can't do, but I believe there's no program that can do it. No program can 'listen' to you play a tune and then produce the notes for what you just played. That's because computers are too sensitive and they detect every subtle variation of timing. Then they produce a bunch of crazy-looking tied notes and little rests that nobody can figure out.
=====
I'm sure of this. If you wait for the 'perfect program,' you will waste valuable time that could go into making music instead. "


Sibelius can do this, and do it very well too.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy still the best?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 04:09 AM

From: Silas
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 04:01 AM

......I'm sure of this. If you wait for the 'perfect program,' you will waste valuable time that could go into making music instead. "

God Bless people like Silas!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy still the best?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 04:18 AM

I've used Noteworthy for years, and it has served me well. I'd like to learn how to use Finale, but I nave have been able to figure it out to the point where I'm comfortable with it.
But I can transcribe into Noteworthy when I'm asleep.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy still the best?
From: GUEST,Working Radish
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 05:11 AM

When I switched to a Mac, I looked at various alternatives to Noteworthy (which is PC-only) and didn't like any of them - if you want to write music onto a score, I don't think there's anything better. However, I've now switched to using BarFly with tunes in ABC notation, & wouldn't change back. It's quick and easy to use, and you end up with tunes in plain text which can be read by anyone anywhere (using an ABC program, an online ABC converter, or even (with a bit of effort) by eye). (See my recent Lord Allenwater post for an example.) You also end up with access to some huge libraries of tunes, which can be downloaded in no time flat since the files are so small.

Noteworthy does make it easier to doodle your way through a tune note by note - what I tend to do these days is work through the start of the tune on recorder & go from there. Also, I haven't seen anything for PCs which displays a score as you key in the ABC, which is what BarFly does. I'd be surprised if there isn't something out there, though.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy still the best?
From: pavane
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:05 AM

My program HARMONY does all that on a PC, AND handles grace notes AND imports/exports abc format, for $25. It will also GENERATE chords to accompany the tune.

You can put notes onto the score using Drag and Drop if you want.

It understands "Part" specifications for dances, so you can program
A (AB)*2 (AC)*3 for example.

You don't need a MIDI keyboard, but you CAN use it. As Leenia says, trying to play in EXACT time is almost impossible. I do agree that the quickest way to get a tune in is by typing it as an abc file - that's what abc was designed for.

And I am here to update the program if you need!

Try it for free : from here


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Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy still the best?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 08:01 AM

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm could be a good choice?

Still trying Noteworthy.

Yesterday I could add chords, today I cannot - How is it done?

L in C


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Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy still the best?
From: TheSnail
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 09:22 AM

Les in Chorlton

Yesterday I could add chords, today I cannot - How is it done?

If you mean to build up the separate notes for a chord on the stave, put in the first note as normal, then go as if to put the next note after it but hold down [Ctrl] when you press [Enter]. To delete a note from a chord, position the cursor next to it, hold down [Ctrl] and press Back Space.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy still the best?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 09:44 AM

Sibelius, unless you can get a "student discount," runs pretty close to $1,000 (US), so for most of us it's "not the perfect program" - unless you're inclined to "steal it," by hacking the sampler as some have done.

Compared to many reasonably priced programs that are available, Noteworthy is a bit "clumsy" and requires more learning curve than the better commercial entry- to intermediate-level programs to get really clean printed scores. There are some limitations on format and layout that make it difficult to print "publisher quality" prints from Noteworthy, although for most of our people it makes fully usable prints.

Noteworthy does have the advantage of being used by a fairly large number of mudcatters, and that alone probably makes it worth having since a common program facilitates communication here. If you can satisfy your other requirements with it, there's little reason to look for something else to replace it.

Almost all notation programs include import/export of midi files, and most will produce simple printed music. I consider the midi in/out feature pretty much essential, although sophisticated midi editing isn't one of my requirements. If the midi in/out is important, your program should allow "multiple voices" (which may require multi-staff capability) if you want more than the absolutely-most-basic one-liner midis.

Almost all midi editing programs include some ability to print music "scores," and some are fairly sophisticated.

Slightly more advanced programs commonly allow you to insert (in notation) grace notes and other score notations, but not all will "play them back." If this is important, you may have to dig pretty deeply - or get a "free trial" program before purchasing - since few programs tell enough before you buy to let you know about such details.

Many programs have an "on screen keyboard" where you can click on the keys to put the dots into the score. Most allow keyboard "code" entry where a particular key prints a particular note. Most let you click on the score to insert a note. Many programs let you "play into" a score from a midi keyboard, and most of these will let you enter "one note at a time" from the midi keyboard.

Most programs that are past the most basic level allow multi-staff layouts, but some of the simpler ones limit the number of staves. If you're intending to produce choral or orchestral scores, you probably want to be sure you can print 16 staves. (A program with 8 staff maximum might be "good enough" to allow 8 midi voices, if that's a consideration.) For most people, a piano with vocal (3-staves) will be about the most you'll use, and a lot of us will almost never use more than a single staff.

Any useful program will allow verses linked to the notes but you likely will want one that allows multiple verses eventually. Not all of the freeware/shareware programs have this capability, and it's seldom documented, so again you may want to look for a "try before buy" option.

Programs vary a lot in the ease of inserting "chord notations." Few, except the most sophisticated or "most specialized" will "play back" these, but that's not something most would want the program to do. You may want to be able to put in the notations (C, Am, C7, etc) above the staff, and you might want to print the "fret symbols" that some programs offer (although I'm told none of my friends ever use those chord fingerings).

Most programs allow you to notate repeats, Coda and DS symbols, but quite a few ignore them in playback (and hence don't "play them" into the exported .mid files).

Many otherwise sophisticated programs (and I think Noteworthy may be one?) make it difficult to notate "pickup measures" at the start of a song/verse. Your "first measure" must contain rests to "fill it all in" or the score/playback/midi is "out of synch." Some programs allow "pickup measures" and omission of "the rest of the measure;" and some require you to put in the full measure but let you "hide the inital rests" in the printout. With some, the rests must be printed. This isn't much of a problam for individual use, but may make the printout look a little "less than professional" to some.

There are relatively few programs that produce both good clean notation and good tab notation from the same program. If you want to make good tab you may want a separate program for this (probably one that also gives you crude standard notation), and something else for "standard notation" (which may also give you crude tab). (I haven't seen a cheap/free program that does both well in the same program, although there may be one out there somewhere. I don't really do enough tab to have looked very hard.) If you want good tab for anything other than a guitar you may have to look "extra hard."

If you can decide specifically what you want to do and look for a program that does it, you'll likely have better success than just asking "what's a good program." There are too many "good for some but not for me" programs to get much of an answer from the latter approach.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy still the best?
From: treewind
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 10:09 AM

All for about $40 - 50, compared to hundreds for other programs.

Compared to $0.00 (or the equivalent in any other currency) for ABC Explorer,
the first and only ABC program for Windows that I'd recommend.

You have to learn ABC notation but that's not actually hard and also a useful skill to have.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy still the best?
From: pavane
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 10:12 AM

Further information:

HARMONY
1. Allows MIDI import and export
2. Uses multiple voices (including in abc format)
3. Uses and plays back grace notes
4. Prints the score
5. You can Drag and drop chord symbols onto score from a toolbox
6. Displays Guitar tab and other stringed instruments (definable)
7. Optionally play back repeats
8. Score can be enlarged for the visually impaired

Yes, there are some bug and quirks, but the same goes for all software!


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