Tech: Noteworthy - special endings

Subject: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 08 May 09 - 10:25 AM

I may have asked this question before but I cannot find a trace.

Many dance tunes have A & B parts. The A is played through once then played through again. The last bar or so is slightly different in the second play through and this is indicated at the end of the A as an extra bar or so.

I can create this in Noteworthy but I cannot get it to play properly. I have read the 'Help' in Noteworthy but did not find it so.

Can anyone help me with this?

Cheers

L in C

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 08 May 09 - 02:01 PM

Sounds like you're not setting the endings up properly to be honest.

Are you using 'special endings' to mark the 1st and 2nd time bars, combined with 'master repeat close' and 'master repeat open' in the appropriate places?

Do that and the MIDI playbook should play back as you want it to ...

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 08 May 09 - 04:35 PM

Thanks sfmans, I thought I had tried all combinations but I will go and have another try

Cheers

L in C

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Tootler
Date: 08 May 09 - 06:40 PM

Something like this

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 May 09 - 07:02 PM

Hi, Tootler-
I can't play your file because it's version 2.0, and I have 1.75. Can you convert it to 1.75 without changing it radically. Can you tell me what's different that would motivate me to switch? Well, I just paid the $15 upgrade, so I guess I'm committed. I hope it's worth it. I liked version 1.75 so much that I was reluctant to switch.

Les, I share your frustration with repeats. I can sometimes make it work, but not always. In Version 1.75, I guess I'd enter the tune like this:

Key & time signature, then Master Repeat Open ||:
A Part, then Master Repeat Close :||
Special Ending 1
Special Ending 2
B Part

Is that correct?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Tootler
Date: 08 May 09 - 07:48 PM

Hello Joe,

I will convert the file to v1.75, but as I am typing this in Linux and will have to shut down and Start Up Windows to do it and it is after 12.30am here, can you wait till tomorrow?

With regard to your other question, I have been using v2.0 since the early days of beta testing and there have been a considerable number of added features as well as bug fixes that the best thing I can do is refer you to the Noteworthy website for a list of v2 features.

The main things I noticed early on was much improved printed scores and many of the key features were either easier to use or improved in other ways. There were also a number of very useful new features. Certainly I would not go back. If you have a v1.75 CD with the registration data on it, you can get a free upgrade to v2. Check the Noteworthy home page for the details.

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 09 May 09 - 03:41 AM

Tootler I have Noteworthy 2 and it doesn't seem to want to open what you have posted but I will try again later

Thanks

Les

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 May 09 - 03:57 AM

I got Version 2.0, Tootler. It cost me $15 because my original registration was long ago, version 1.1 or something. I got free updates for almost ten years, to version 1.75, so I ain't complaining. I didn't find Version 2.0 to be as radically different as I thought it would be, but it's nice.

Your Noteworthy file worked for me, and now I see where I goofed:

Key & time signature, then Master Repeat Open ||:
A Part, then Master Repeat Close :||
Special Ending 1, then Master Repeat Close :||
Special Ending 2
B Part

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 09 May 09 - 07:27 AM

Thanks Joe,

I have just followed your instructions and they seem to work perfectly. I guess the problem people like me have is a basic lack of musical knowledge - ie. what master opens & closes actually mean.

Any, problem solved!

Thanks again

Les in Chorlton

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 09 May 09 - 11:43 AM

Ah, glad you sorted it. Meant to jump back onto the thread last night and contribute further, but other stuff got in the way ...

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Tootler
Date: 09 May 09 - 02:00 PM

I have put a v1.75 file here, though it seems you have sorted the problem now.

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Tootler
Date: 09 May 09 - 02:02 PM

Oops! Problem with the link Try this

Made sure I checked this time. Should work now.

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Tootler
Date: 09 May 09 - 02:12 PM

Having hopefully sorted that out, I can recommend the user forum.

Go to www.noteworthysoftware.com/ and click on the "Support" link at the top of the page. It will give you a list of support options.

both the NNTP newsgroup and the online community are both friendly and helpful and will treat your queries seriously. The creator of the program is usually fairly active and will respond when appropriate.

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 09 May 09 - 02:20 PM

Thanks Tootler

Les

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 May 09 - 06:58 PM

OK, but what if the song is AABA ????

I tried that a few weeks ago, and was totally lost.

Taking the example above:

Key & time signature, then Master Repeat Open ||:
A Part, then Master Repeat Close :||
Special Ending 1, then Master Repeat Close :||
Special Ending 2
B Part

Then what?

I'm guessing it's this:

Key & time signature, then Master Repeat Open ||:
A Part, then Master Repeat Close :||
Special Ending 1, then Master Repeat Close :||
Special Ending 2, including B Part, then Master Repeat Close :||
Special ending 3, resolving the A part with a measure or two.

Tootler, your tune is even more complicated. If I'm correct, it's

AAAABABA

You repeat the melodies several times by spelling them out completely, but I'm wondering if there's a way to really condense the piece. It gets to the point where it boggles the mind, but it's an interesting challenge.

It could have an interesting application in posting hymn tunes in limited space, since anthem-type hymns are very often AABA, with the final A resolved.

One thing has always bothered me about Noteworthy - that it displays the tune in one line, so you have to scroll across the page to see it. Especially with hymns, it would be helpful to see the four lines one above the other, so you could see similarities (and copy-paste from one line to the other to save typing). Is there a way to display four lines on my screen while I'm entering a tune?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Tootler
Date: 09 May 09 - 07:54 PM

Joe,

If you look at my tune it is actually AA'BA' which is a common pattern in jigs, reels and hornpipes. It is usual to notate them in two eight bar "halves" so I follow that pattern. In fact if I tried to notate it as you suggest, there would be a multitude of special endings and it would become difficult to follow. Sometimes it is easier simply to write the music out in full.

To your example you described. Is possible for you to post something on a website then post a link here so we can have a look at it. Alternatively post it on the noteworthy forum and someone will come up with suggestions on how to handle your problem. If you do the latter, post a message here so I know to have a look.

To your final query. I agree if you have a single line of music, it displays as one long line and it can be a little tedious scrolling back and forth, but is it really any worse than scrolling through several pages when you have multiple parts and maybe only one or two systems per page? It it something I have got used to and I find it advantageous if you have several parts as you can see them one above the other without multiple systems on the page. If you are dealing with music that has a fairly repetitive pattern, then use the print preview. You can cause a line throw at the end of a bar by highlighting the bar, right clicking and selecting properties from the menu. That way you can line the bars up where a pattern repeats.

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 May 09 - 09:15 PM

OK, here's All Things Bright and Beautiful (download and rename to nwc). I think I figured out what I want to do. I used the Insert/Flow Direction menu, and inserted DC al Fine at the end of B, and Fine where I wanted it to stop.

Thanks for all the help, Tootler. I'm glad I finally broke down and did the upgrade, even though I was completely satisfied with version 1.75. I paid $25 so I'd get the upgrade on CD in case there were problems - but there were no problems, so I could have had the upgrade for $15. Still, I don't mind paying Noteworthy $65 ($40 originally, plus $25 upgrade) for all the good service I've gotten from the program.

-Joe-

My Website won't allow download of NWC files. You have to download the file and then rename it, dropping the .mid from the filename.

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Tootler
Date: 11 May 09 - 06:47 PM

Hello Joe.

Only just picked up your file. Been a bit busy and the thread dropped off the bottom. I will try and have a look tomorrow. (Tuesday) as it's getting late here.

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Tootler
Date: 11 May 09 - 07:03 PM

Hello Again Joe.

Still Monday - by one minute. I had a quick look at your file and the flow was correct according to your settings. Assuming the playback does what you want it to, then you have set them up correctly.

Cheers

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: pavane
Date: 12 May 09 - 02:50 AM

Don't know whether it will help anyone, but in my program HARMONY, you can specify the number of repeats, for use, for example, in Morris dances where you often play a part THREE times, not two.

It can also use complex abc part specifications instead of writing parts out several times e.g. A(AB)*3A(AC*3)*2

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 May 09 - 03:14 AM

Hi, Pavane-
I have to say that I'm very impressed with what I've seen of your HARMONY program, and the fact that you've tailored it so nicely to the needs of folkies. But for some reason, I never was able to catch onto the note-entry function in either HARMONY or Finale. I think I'm so used to Noteworthy's quirks that it's hard for me to adapt to something else.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: pavane
Date: 12 May 09 - 03:51 AM

Hi Joe. I quite understand. Everyone has their own preferences.

My 'best-seller' recently is MIDI CHORDS, which tells you what chords are being played in (someone else's) MIDI files.

Subject: RE: Tech: Noteworthy - special endings
From: Tootler
Date: 12 May 09 - 07:31 PM

I'm like Joe. I have been using Noteworthy for over 10 years (I think I started with v1.4 or 5) and I am used to it. I was very impressed initially with the ease you could get started and it does everything I want in a music score editor.