Folk Against Fascism

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Azizi
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 12:28 PM

BTW, if the FaceBook and MySpace Folk Against Fascism pages are meant to have international membership* you might want to stay away from or at least define the acronyms.

For instance, I don't know what "CND" means in this sentence "Folk singers were among those on the CND marches and sang the songs in the folk clubs."

* It occurs to me that maybe that organization is only meant for people living in Europe. Can some one clarify this?

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 12:27 PM

well done, Joan.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 12:24 PM

Rich I still have my copy (given to me for my 21st bithday, by my parents)on vinyl, very scratched like yours *LOL* My sister found it on CD, in, of all places, a chain record shop (A&B Sound) in Victoria, BC, Canada, and I've transfered it to my MP/ player for listening when I want to (like now)

Now is the time for action,
Leave your satisfaction:
Can't you hear St George's tune?
St George's tune is calling you on!
Freedom was your mother,
Fight for one another:

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Azizi
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 12:23 PM

I also want to say "Well done!" to JoanC.

I have a MySpace page but don't have a FaceBook account. I'll jump on board when the MySpace page is launched.

**

Dave listed these examples of folk singer's involvement in politics:


Folk singers were among those on the CND marches and sang the songs in the folk clubs.
Folk singers demonstrated at the Anti- Vietnam rallies and sang the songs in the folk clubs.
Folk singers demonstrated against the Poll Tax and sang anti - Thatcher songs in the folk clubs.

-snip-

Expanding this list outside of Britain, Folk singers sang songs during the civil rights movement in the USA.

It might be a good idea to include such a listing on the FaceBook/MySpace pages or at least on the upcoming Folk Against Fascism website.

What else can be added to this list?

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Folkiedave
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 12:15 PM

Depends what you mean by "Fascism"-----a great many people today seem to be confusing it with Patriotism,sadly.

Nope perfectly clear in my mind.

The BNP are a fascist party and there is a video of Nick Griffin denying the holocaust.

Filthy race based politics and Folk Against Fascism is designed to stop these people infiltrating (as per their orgnisers handbook) into local folk customs.

Well done Joanie.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: GUEST,Tom Bliss
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 12:13 PM

Let me know about the MySpace, Joan, and anything I can do. Tom.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 12:03 PM

Folk singers were among those on the CND marches and sang the songs in the folk clubs.
Folk singers demonstrated at the Anti- Vietnam rallies and sang the songs in the folk clubs.
Folk singers demonstrated against the Poll Tax and sang anti - Thatcher songs in the folk clubs.
Now it looks like there will be some anti - BNP songs sung in the folk clubs and festivals.
Sounds like it has been pretty "tedious" for the last fifty years!!

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 12:03 PM

>Archer ref. eventually clicks...!< :-)

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: GUEST,Rich Arrowsmith
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 12:02 PM

Rifleman!! My favourite album! My copy has got scratched to bits, I need another.

'When the sun comes up in the morning, and you hear the dancing boys...'

Rich

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 12:00 PM

Yeah...already kinda waiting for the poo to be posted through my door.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:54 AM

"given some of the people already supporting this, we're not talking pie-in-the-sky - something exciting is going to happen"

It's fantastic. I've been in something of a rash over this stuff since I cottoned on when I first got into folk six months ago. Wonderful to see someone like JoanC who's so perfectly placed to do so, ready to take the bulldog by the balls... So to speak. Really exciting news.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Lox
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:52 AM

Thing is bubblyrat that when questioned, you have said on other threads that your reason for being concerned about immigration basically boils down to not liking different looking people around.

I could go and get the post - I think it might have been in the carol thatcher thread - but your big concern was that basically you didn't see why you had to have foreigners in your town, for no other reason than that it is your town and you don't like them there.

In the absence of any other rationale, that is best described as discriminating on the basis of someone elses race.


That's why people shout "racist" - its cos of the racist things you say.


Generally I think its realistic, if you say racist things, to expect someone to call you racist.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:51 AM

Cheers - that's great.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:50 AM

Right at this moment I'm listening to the Albion Country Band's Battle of the Field, particularly Richard Thompson's The New St. George/La Rotta, on my MP3 player. It's VERY inspiring, I want to get up and dance, unfortunately I'm in the library...they might fron a bit *LOL*

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Banjiman
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:45 AM

Eddie/ Joan,

Anything either we or Kirkby Fleetham Folk Club can do to help..... just let me know.

Paul & Wendy Arrowsmith

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:43 AM

Myspace is on its way, as is a website.

The website will be for information about plans - everything from making stickers and badges available to a large-scale concert or tour (and given some of the people already supporting this, we're not talking pie-in-the-sky - something exciting is going to happen). The Myspace will hopefully help the community to grow, and showcase some of the artists who are involved.

Considering that this whole idea is only a day old, I'm frankly staggered at the response. It's clearly hit a nerve with a lot of people.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:42 AM

Aye... I hate those FakeFriends sites (except music), but I might join for this.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:40 AM

You may have to do Facebook...I've said the same thing, but JoanieC is tempting me.... *sigh*

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Banjiman
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:33 AM

I don't do facebook either.... any chance of starting a MySpace page as well?

Paul Arrowsmith

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:28 AM

I most certainly do not confuse patriotism with xenophobia or fascism, but I do not recognise the bubblyrat version as capable of being distinguished from the sordid peddlings of the BNP.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:27 AM

Just accept the fact that politics has been involved in folk music (whatever that is) for a VERY long time.
Sorry to be soooooooo... tedious *LOL*

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: GUEST,Rich Arrowsmith
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:25 AM

It was started because the f******* BNP have said that they are the only people who can save Morris dancing and folk customs. This site is for people to say that they don't want the BNP talking for or having anything to do with English customs. We can manage them ourselves without help from scum like that.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:23 AM

PS. JoanC good job!

I don't do Facebook, so I hope that this thread might perhaps offer the rest of us, an update on progress.
Much interested to hear more, and hopefully participate in any ways appropriate.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Banjiman
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:22 AM

"And try not to mix politics with folk music, it gets very TEDIOUS.Thankyou. "

How else do we counter the odious BNP threat...... or do you think their policy of repatriation for non-whites is a good one?

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:17 AM

"And try not to mix politics with folk music, it gets very TEDIOUS.Thankyou."

Bubblyrat, I think you might not be appreciating the purpose of the campaign.

It's not as such a 'political' movement (though it's going to be impossible for it not to become so), as demonstrating a collective dissaproval of fascist politics currently deliberately appropriating our collective folk music as a form of pro-fascist propaganda - precisely as happened in Nazi Germany. As others have commented German folk music has never fully recovered from the stain of being forced into prostitution to very dark political ends.

This is not a 'politicising' of folk music as such, but an attempt to reclaim it from those who *ARE* currently politicising it to a fascist agenda. I hope you might recognise the difference.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Gervase
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:13 AM

And try not to mix politics with folk music, it gets very TEDIOUS.Thankyou.
Honestly, there's no hope for some people!

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:11 AM

"And try not to mix politics with folk music, it gets very TEDIOUS.Thankyou"

Your listening must be very limited in that case, as a large amount of folk music(whatever that is)is politically oriented. Time to take off the blinkers and take some social responsibilty. It was the head in the sand attitude that brought Hitler to his full flowering.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:07 AM

Folk Against Fascism is growing by leaps and bounds, as it should, treminding one (even though I'm too young to really remember) of
Rock Against Racism

May the spirit never die!

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: bubblyrat
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:06 AM

Depends what you mean by "Fascism"-----a great many people today seem to be confusing it with Patriotism,sadly.One only has to calmly and logically express the opinion (to which one is fully entitled)that there is too much uncontrolled immigration into this country (UK)and people are jumping up and down crying "Racist ! "--"Fascist!"--"Nazi !" in a frenzy of Do -Goodery. Please calm down,and allow the majority to be heard properly before slandering them.Then go and live in the country of your favourite foreign ethnic group (if they'll have you !!).And try not to mix politics with folk music, it gets very TEDIOUS.Thankyou.

Subject: Folk Against Fascism
From: Folknacious
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 10:53 AM

Apologies if this has already been flagged up, but I was just emailed news of this new Facebook group and organisation which seems to have gone from nothing to nearly 600 members in less than two days.