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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Richard Bridge Date: 15 Jun 09 - 10:05 AM Your lawyer is your FRIIIEEEENNNNDDDD! And wasn't Beethoven black? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: The Borchester Echo Date: 15 Jun 09 - 10:05 AM Snail is beginning to sound like the "discovery" of Lots Of Fans by a person from Sidmouth. The fRoots thread which mentions Excalibur (among other aspects) wasn't the first, only the most recent and I couldn't be arsed to flag up more. Do your own searching. There have been murmurings and mutterings about musical expropriation by the nasty right for decades. Nick Griffin's been lurking about at kRusby gigs for years, David Hannam's been doing skinhead barbecues tp promote his ditties and suspicious waxings have been on display at wifty-wafty heritage shops for a very long time, and widely complained about. Importantly, FaF will be a unified front to get something done. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Dave Earl Date: 15 Jun 09 - 10:03 AM "But it's that bit about black people never having produced a Mozart or a Dickens which showed up this alleged intellectual for the ethnocentric moron he really is." Yes I agree but that is not what FAF is about. We want to stop B.N.P. high jacking our art form for their political purposes. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Dave Earl Date: 15 Jun 09 - 09:56 AM "One lesson is to read contracts very, very carefully." Yes it seems that BNP have got away with this because artists were perhaps not sufficiently aware of what they had permitted in their contracts. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: GUEST,Neil D Date: 15 Jun 09 - 09:45 AM But it's that bit about black people never having produced a Mozart or a Dickens which showed up this alleged intellectual for the ethnocentric moron he really is. Drop a Mozart or a Dickens into the Serengeti or the rain forests of New Guinea and see how long they would survive. Any New Guinean child can name every single plant and animal in his environment. I know I can't. In case you ever have need to debate against the racist argument of Eurocentric superiority, read "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: TheSnail Date: 15 Jun 09 - 09:43 AM The fact that the BNP were taking an interest in folk music has, indeed, been known for a long time. It was on a Mudcat thread on the subject that I posted my dsicovery of the Excalibur sales three days before the fRoots thread that Diane quotes was started. Neither of the articles she quotes make any reference to the sale of other peoples CDs through Excalibur. If someone had reported on it before, all well and good but my post did seem to set the ball rolling. Bryan Creer |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: The Borchester Echo Date: 15 Jun 09 - 09:40 AM There are much wider issues that should have our attention Like reading the background in the links provided, for a start. For instance, the "English Country Music Band" (which is actually the core of a well-known ceilidh band) did a one-off recording session for which they were paid a standard fee. They weren't given the option of any rights to how their music was distributed and didn't know about its inclusion before being told about it. They can't do anything. One lesson is to read contracts very, very carefully. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Dave Earl Date: 15 Jun 09 - 09:32 AM I think Bryan meant in this thread. But we should not be scoring points off each other. There are much wider issues that should have our attention. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: The Borchester Echo Date: 15 Jun 09 - 09:10 AM Snail said: it was me that first drew attention to blah blah blah Not it wasn't. It's been a fRoots discussion subject for many a year. Here's one: BNP move in on folk music which refers back specifically to: Neil Mackay in the Grauniad and Emma Hartley"s Torygraph blog. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: GUEST,Surreysinger at work Date: 15 Jun 09 - 08:59 AM Dave - re the CDs being sold through Excalibur - both Dame Vera Lynn's and the folk ones, it's already well established that the artists (on the whole) are only too well aware of the fact that their work is being sold through the BNP website. However, it has also been established that there is nothing they can do about it for copyright reasons, and their consent or otherwise to the sale of these CDs (which I believe are on sale elsewhere) is neither needed or legally required. There were press articles back in February about both Dame Vera Lynn and Phil Beer and Steve Knightley's problems in this area, and their concern over the situation (sadly I can't link to them while here at work, due to the antiquated software on this machine!!) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Richard Bridge Date: 15 Jun 09 - 08:45 AM Well I am rather amused by the BNP's latest little spasm. They have now created on facebook (and used to post to the FaF group) a "Richard Bridge" identity using a reverse of Robin Loxley's picture overlaid with a BNP slogan. How silly do they look? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: TheSnail Date: 15 Jun 09 - 08:33 AM Well Bryan I suppose what we all need to do is formulate a common approuch to the potential intrusion by BNP I've offered my suggestion. I don't much like the others. and also kick up a stink about the CDs they are selling through the Exacibur site (have the artists given their consent?) As I pointed out to Folknacious it was me that first drew attention to that and, no, the artists have not given their consent. Bryan |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Dave Earl Date: 15 Jun 09 - 08:04 AM Well Bryan I suppose what we all need to do is formulate a common approuch to the potential intrusion by BNP and also kick up a stink about the CDs they are selling through the Exacibur site (have the artists given their consent?) I'm sorry but I don't think the bickering that's going on is going to help. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: TheSnail Date: 15 Jun 09 - 07:37 AM What would you have me do, Dave? Bryan |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Dave Earl Date: 15 Jun 09 - 06:55 AM Yes Bryan BUT. What we want is to stop the BNP usurping traditional Music/Song/Dance for their political purposes. What I think we need to do is carry on with our involvement in whatever our individual keenness is but be on watch for new supporters (?sponsors?)who could turn out to be the BNP in disguise. Who might later try to claim what you are doing is demonstrating the rightness of their policies. What I think the thread should be about is how our various Clubs/Festivals/Dance sides are going to present a "Common Front" to resist the intrusion of BNP. Thats certainly why I signed up to the Facebook thing. I just don't think that the toing and froing that I see in this thread is going anywhere near achieving the above objective. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: TheSnail Date: 15 Jun 09 - 06:33 AM Dave Earl Can we please keep our discussions on topic. I suppose I have to put my hand up as one of the most argumentative people on this thread but I think I have been on topic. I see little point in engaging with the BNP trolls; you're never going to persuade them of anything and it only gives them a platform. "Brit Folk" is under threat from the BNP. As far as I am concerned, the best way of defending it is for as many people as possible who are not racists or fascists to sing it, play it, dance it or simply listen and watch. Folknacious's position that we should be embarrassed about British traditional music and that promoting it without sounding like the BNP manifesto was "Possible, maybe (just maybe) justifiable, but difficult." struck me as giving in without a fight. Greg is an excellent fellow whose particular thing is incorporating influences from diverse cultures into his music. I have heard the result and it is superb. (I have heard others try the same thing with rather lamentable results.) He seems intent on defending this position despite the fact that nobody is attacking it. Where I do take issue with him is when he says - To put the matter bluntly, this is not an area in which many English folkies take an interest. I think a practical way for folkies to express their anti-racism would be to be a little bit more inclusive at the level of the organisationm of their own venues. He seems to be suggesting that we should promote music we are not interested in purely to make a political statement. Sorry but no. My main motivation is the music. Within that context I will oppose racism. I am also concerned that he is throwing out unspecific accusations of racism which can only damage the image of folk. I still don't know what he means by "If people want to run a white folk club...". Bryan Creer |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Jack Campin Date: 15 Jun 09 - 05:25 AM Last week another BNP member and white supremacist (Ian Davison, Co. Durham) was arrested and the nerve-agent Ricin was found at his home. It's a haemagglutinin, not a nerve agent. The toxic syndrome it produces is a bit like meningitis or viper venom. Not particularly easy stuff to use, which is why the military never adopted it. I don't suppose we'll ever be told what the BNP intended to do with it. I can think of one possibility which I'm keeping to myself. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Dave Earl Date: 15 Jun 09 - 05:10 AM Vic Smith said:- "those involved spend more time and energy on nit-picking internecine rows than addressing the ghastly right-wing horrors that they oppose." I have to say that it looks to me as if Vic has summed it up nicely. We know what BNP is about and we know why FAF was set up. Can we please keep our discussions on topic. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Lox Date: 15 Jun 09 - 05:01 AM Fair play You have ignored the matter of "the Doc" What is your response? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: theleveller Date: 15 Jun 09 - 04:42 AM "Run by the SWP, but funded by Labour, it is disturbingly reminiscent of Mugabe's Veterans Association. " LOL! How did you come to dream up that little gem? Support for UAF comes from a wide range of unions such as the NUT, NASWT, UNITE, The University and College Union, and other respected organisations. (Hey, it's those schoolteachers you have to watch out for - they can be a pretty violent lot!!!) Right wing apologists like you who try to discredit anti-fascist organisations are exactly why I joined Folk Against Fascism. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Fred McCormick Date: 15 Jun 09 - 04:22 AM Royston: "Fred McCormick...do some research please and stop making the BNP look more credible. Their press officer uses "Dr. Phil Edwards" as a pseudonym. His real name is Stuart Russell and he runs a company that makes fireworks" Sorry if I wasn't up to speed with 'Phil Edwards' identity. Watching the BNP is like watching a pile of woodlice. You see one, then you see more. Then there's a whole festering mess of them. And they all look the same. "Hitler came to power by legal, democratic means." Not strictly true. It's true the nazis came to power in 1933 as the largest party, but not with an overall majority. And Hitler was made chancellor because the powersthatbe thought that would bring him into line. It didn't. Moreover, the only time the nazis acheived an overall majority was after Hitler's chancellorship, and after the nazis had slung all of their opponents in jail. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Fred McCormick Date: 15 Jun 09 - 04:09 AM Phil, Sorry for the embarressment. Turns out Press Officer Phil Edwards' real name is Stuart Russell and his daughter is one Julie Russell. Again, I can't find her name on the membership list, but she is apparently a hobnobber with Jean Marie Le Pen. BTW., the BNP seems to shed recalcitrant members faster than a fox sheds fleas. Where on earth do they all go? I'm Phil Edwards! No, really. That is actually my name. (I've even got a doctorate, although I hardly ever use the title.) Which made it particularly annoying for me when the BNP's former Press Officer decided to use that name as his pseudonym. (More here.) Fortunately he was on the wrong side of the recent spat within the party, and is no longer Press Officer; he may not even be a member. Either way, he's not getting his name - or rather my name - in the papers any longer, and good riddance. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: fairplay Date: 15 Jun 09 - 03:09 AM Ruth Thanks for clarifying your position. I'm glad you've disassociated yourself from the paramilitary politics of UAF. Run by the SWP, but funded by Labour, it is disturbingly reminiscent of Mugabe's Veterans Association. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Phil Edwards Date: 15 Jun 09 - 02:58 AM I'm Phil Edwards! No, really. That is actually my name. (I've even got a doctorate, although I hardly ever use the title.) Which made it particularly annoying for me when the BNP's former Press Officer decided to use that name as his pseudonym. (More here.) Fortunately he was on the wrong side of the recent spat within the party, and is no longer Press Officer; he may not even be a member. Either way, he's not getting his name - or rather my name - in the papers any longer, and good riddance. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Kampervan Date: 15 Jun 09 - 02:44 AM Damn, where did that stray apostrophe come from? It should have read .....peoples... |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Kampervan Date: 14 Jun 09 - 07:34 PM So, to precis the closing remarks of a TV series that backtracked all of the people's on earth to their origins:- 'Wherever we've ended up in the world, we're all African under the skin'. Bet the BNP didn't sponsor that one. Focus on the real goal - defeat the fascist bigots. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Royston Date: 14 Jun 09 - 07:11 PM And while we're at it (worrying about the moral equivalence of the BNP and whether they should enjoy the same rights as other "democratic" groups) ponder on this. Before 7/7/2005, the only non-Irish terrorist act in the UK were two deadly explosions in London perpetrated by BNP member David Copeland. The largest seizure of explosive materials linked to terrorist intentions (including seizures related to Al Qaeda and IRA) was held by BNP members Robert Cottage and David Nelson. (Lancashire 2007) Last week another BNP member and white supremacist (Ian Davison, Co. Durham) was arrested and the nerve-agent Ricin was found at his home. The only reason the fascists haven't managed a terrorist atrocity is that they are much more fully infiltrated by the security services (thank God!). "DeG", the mindblowing thing is that there are fellow "folkers" (whom I have always regarded as more intelligent and free-thinking than average) that could even contemplate the BNP as having a shred of legitimacy. Shame on us!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 14 Jun 09 - 07:08 PM "Lizzie, another tenet that sees me well through life is "Never argue with a fool...other people eventually will have difficulty seeing which one is the fool." Absolutely. "If you think that there are people who see roast beef and cricket as "racist" then you need to put down the Daily Mail and find a less harmful comic to read." I was told that to love the sight of cricket being played on village greens was to dream of an English idyll that no longer exists and therefore, it showed that I was racist. What a complete load of poppycock. There was an excellent piece in the Daily Mail the other day, about the BNP, saying what absolute scum they are. Strange, for such a 'racist' paper. Still, being told that did at least shut 'The Daily Mail Reader' guest poster, up in the BNP thread. Folk Against Facism: Badges T Shirts Baseball Hats Tankards Things to stick on your guitar/mandolin/musical whatnot/morris dancer hat, clogs, bags, and/or various protruding body parts.... Posters (clever designs only) Book marks The dreaded Fridge Magnets Cuddly toys, so the children get the message early on Christmas cards Birthday cards Banners to put in/on your caravan/car/camel With an English flag on and with flags from all around the world CDs of anti-facist songs Poetry books Youtube videos FAF at the RAH ........ad infinitum |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Dave the Gnome Date: 14 Jun 09 - 06:50 PM People, please take a step back. We should be fighting them! You don't need to book anyone different. Just point out that the music showcased at your club is, by it's very nature, multi-cultural and inclusive. Stop the bastards from taking it over by pointing out that by supporting traditional music they are in fact supporting multi-ethnicity (is there such a word?) and, hopefuly, they will drop it liek a hot potato. Cheers DeG |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Royston Date: 14 Jun 09 - 06:46 PM Lizzie, another tenet that sees me well through life is "Never argue with a fool...other people eventually will have difficulty seeing which one is the fool." If you think that there are people who see roast beef and cricket as "racist" then you need to put down the Daily Mail and find a less harmful comic to read. Fred McCormick...do some research please and stop making the BNP look more credible. Their press officer uses "Dr. Phil Edwards" as a pseudonym. His real name is Stuart Russell and he runs a company that makes fireworks, which makes him an explosives expert (anyone else find this worrying?) He does not have a PhD, he is not a doctor. Just another vile lying racist fascist agitator that must be exposed as such. Hitler came to power by legal, democratic means. 'Nuff said. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: GUEST Date: 14 Jun 09 - 06:40 PM Ruth Thanks for clarifying your position. I am not an apologist, still less a spokesperson for the BNP. What does concern me is the the UAF's militarisation of politics. Run by the SWP but financed by Labour, there are shades of Mugabe's Zimbabwe here. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 14 Jun 09 - 06:38 PM Pete Doherty? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: TheSnail Date: 14 Jun 09 - 06:04 PM Greg, a while back you said "If people want to run a white folk club, let them put that on the poster." If you have any evidence that any folk club is operating a "Whites Only" policy, please name them now. I am confident that they will be ostracised by the wider folk community and I hope that they will be boycotted by any professional musicians who have a modicum of self respect. Bryan Creer |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: greg stephens Date: 14 Jun 09 - 05:21 PM The Snail makes a most bizarre remark about me: "Why are you playing into the BNP's hands by promoting the idea that an interest in British traditional music equates to being a white racist?". Now, why would I be promoting that idea, since (a) I have spent over forty years researching and playing traditional British music and (b)I am not a white racist. I think you musdt ber thinking of some other chap. I have never made any such suggestion, or even anything remotely like it. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Steve Hunt Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:55 PM It certainly would, Ifor - personally I'd like to see The King Blues at Cambridge, too! One festival stage where there isn't so much "divide" is the Left-Field at Glastonbury. Sadly I won't be there this year, but I really can't recommend it highly enough to anyone who is venturing to Pilton. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: GUEST,ifor Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:44 PM "Love Music Hate Racism" is an organisation set up to use music to counter fascism.It recently held a 20000 strong music and anti fascist carnival in Stoke [where the BNP has around 10 cllrs and which it regards as its stronghold ]. This Love Music Hate Racism event was young and multicultural and anti fascist. Folk Against Fascism might consider teaming up with LMHR to promote a few antiracist gigs. Some eyes and ears might be opened on both sides of the folkie /non folkie divide. LMHR is backed by quite a few trade unions and anti fascist groups like Unite Against Fascism.It is seen as the successor to Rock Against Racism which was particularly active in the late 1970s. It would be great to see performers like Bellowhead on the same bill as the Asian Dub Foundation and Steel Pulse. ifor |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Steve Hunt Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:41 PM Someone asked why Billy Bragg is used as an icon on the MySpace page. The Billy Bragg quote on the FAF page is one of several available clickable banners for the "Love Music, Hate Racism" campaign page. Other banners include quotes from Pete Doherty, Lethal Bizzle, Carl Barat, Shane MacGowan and Natty, but BB seemed the most obvious one to use on a UK folk page. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Spleen Cringe Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:19 PM People, any chance this thread can primarily be used to promote Folk Against Fascism, please? The nitpicking and point scoring belong somewhere else. Let's at least pretend we can agree on this one thing (that we don't want fascist gangs appropriating folk music to serve their political ends) even if we disagree on everything else! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Fred McCormick Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:00 PM Lox. "It is a video of the BNP's national press officer (apparently known as "the doc" as he has a PHD)." I remember seeing that clip of Phil Edwards when it was first broadcast and thinking "what an absolute schmuck". The idea that Africa never created any great civilisations is a bit of a laugh to anyone who has ever studied African political systems. Likewise, the idea that Africa represented a safe haven, where the mind of man had less need to develop is ludicrous. Perhaps someone could point out to this eejit that the brains of Neanderthals were just as large as ours. I don't remember them producing any great civilisations either. Besides, which, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the thinking of modern biologists is that the brainpower of the human race reached its present form during the very earliest stages of our development as homo sapiens; when our forebears were forced down from the trees by climatic change, and were forced to compete with more powerful but less smart animals than we. OK., maybe I've been overdosing on Robert Winston, but as a sociology graduate, I do have some understanding of the limitations of IQ measurement; and some appreciation of the difficulties of applying intelligence tests cross culturally. Come to think of it, if this geezer is right, and intelligence really does represent some sort of inverse measure of criminality, then the large number of thugs and criminals in the ranks of the BNP supports the view that their average member must be as thick as two short planks. But it's that bit about black people never having produced a Mozart or a Dickens which showed up this alleged intellectual for the ethnocentric moron he really is. European art forms are the products of literate cultures. That means the work of Dickens, Mozart, or any other European creative artist, roughly from about the time of the Norman conquest, is frozen. We know precisely what they created and what it sounds or looks like, because it's written down. (I'm excepting visual art from the argument of course, but BNP bigots might care to ponder the effect which Benin bronzes had on early twentieth century painters.) But, remembering that Africa was historically non-literate, and nothing was written down, how can he "know" that that vast continent never contained anyone as intrinsically gifted as either of the two gentlemen he held up for comparison? All artistic output was non-literate once, and what little has survived indicates that much of it was rich indeed. To extend the geographic boundaries of the argument for a moment, has this gentleman ever heard of Homer, whose creative abilities were preserved purely because the non-literate epic bardic tradition, to which Homer belonged, happened to co-exist alongside a tradition of Greek literacy? How many African Homers have there been down through the ages, whose exegeses have been lost because nobody was there to write them down? Does he not realise that the pre-literate world was stuffed with the most astonishing poets, storytellers, praise singers and musicians? And quite a few of them were African. For that matter, does he not realise that the compositional form par excellence, throughout the third world (including Africa), was one of spontaneous improvisation? And comparing that with written composition is like comparing chalk with cheese. I'm copying all my old vinyl to computer at the moment, and just by chance I've come to the section on West African griots. OK., we accept that Africa left us no formal musical compositions. But is there any way we can compare the improvisational talent of the best West African griots with the improvisatory abilities of composers like Mozart? We can't unfortunately, because, although improvisation was once a much favoured skill, and although we know that Mozart was a formidable performer in that field, the European tradition of improvisation died out before the invention of audio recording. But if he was as good as of any of the members of the Konte family, or Amadu Bansang Jobarteh, or Jali Nyama Suso, or for that matter as good as any number of black modern jazz players, then by heck, good he must have been. BTW., Although the BNP membership list shows only 7 Phds, out of 12000 members, or about 0.058% of the total membership, I can't find the name of Phil Edwards among them. Does he really exist? And what I wonder was his Phd in? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: The Sandman Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:43 PM the English folk revival,has many people to thank for its birth and continuance,including EFDSS, the Northunmbrian Pipers Society,EwanMaccoll,MartinCarthy,AlLoyd,Lou Killen,Bob Davenport,all of these people ,have promoted ENGLISH TRADTIONAL MUSIC,[Ewan promoted Scottish music as well]all these people would be shocked if their interest in British[the folkmusic of the islands of Britain] was construed as making them white racists. Greg Stephens,you are playing into the hands of the BNP. we need to stop them claiming British folk music as theirs. starting INTERNATIONAL FOLK CLUBS is an excellent idea. but trying to tell existing folk club organisers what they should do,is undemocratic and unreasonable. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Ruth Archer Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:37 PM 99.99% of what Billy Bragg has said over the years about nationalism, identity and the BNP is absolutely reflective of what FAF is trying to do. He made 1 statement with which I personally would not wish to align the group. I think we can forgive him that. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: GUEST Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:32 PM Myspace, sorry. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Ruth Archer Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:11 PM "I was merely saying that some in the English folk world could do with looking at the 'purity' aspect of what they believe," Despite being presented with lots of evidence to the contrary, you have never been able to say WHO these people are, what the purity actually consists of, and precisely how it manifests itself. Saying that this imagined zeal for "purity" (whatever it may mean) is feeding the BNP is both defamitory and untrue. So please, Lizzie - just walk away and let it lie, because this is not an area that will be served by gratuitous attempts at point-scoring. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:47 PM Excuse me, but I wasn't saying complaining about the FAF idea. I think it's a good one and hope it goes well. Read my post again, there is nothing there *against* what you're doing. I was merely saying that some in the English folk world could do with looking at the 'purity' aspect of what they believe, and compare it to others who also believe in purity. It's what the BNP love to latch on to. And yup, they're nasty little b*ggers ain't they when they come over to myspace/facebook pages etc. Always best to send them off with a hefty boot up their backsides, is what I find. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Dave Earl Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:36 PM "what youtube site? " That's what I thought Dave |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Ruth Archer Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:33 PM "Then why use Bragg as an icon on your Youtube site?" what youtube site? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: TheSnail Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:19 PM greg stephens The Snail, a few post back, asked how many of the Boat Band were black. I am not sure what point he is seeking to make by this question. I was trying to make light of your absolutely outrageous comment about white folk clubs. Why are you playing into the BNP's hands by promoting the idea that an interest in British traditional music equates to being a white racist? Bryan Creer |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Lox Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:16 PM By the way, I seem to have managed to conscript 4 non cattters onto the FAF facebook group. It must therefore be a very good idea. :-) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Lox Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:02 PM Dear Fairplay, Would you mind explaining this for us? It is a video of the BNP's national press officer (apparently known as "the doc" as he has a PHD). In this video he explains that Black people are genetically inferior to white people. He tells us this to explain why they are more disposed to crime etc. Heres the video |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: theleveller Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:56 PM "Hardly surprising Vic Smith, after all, socialism is the politics of envy, " Which is, of course exactly the sort of stupid, sweeping statements that right wing reactionaries love to make because. In their selfishness and self-absorption, they simply can understabnd altruism(hey, if you can make sweeping statements, so can I). I envy very few people (except Martin Simpson - talented bastard!). What I look for is a fairer society that values the individual, but not by how much they can earn or how many possessions they have. Yes, I've been there - big car, big house, six figure salary - the works, but all it brought was a disaffected lifestyle. Now I have a different attitude whereby people are more important than possessions. Personally I despise both Prescott and Scargill (for different reasons). Your statement merely shows that you are totally ignorant (or simply jealous) of the liberating effect that true socialism brings. |
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