BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:29 PM

"...prostitution would be acceptable!"

In some places, it is. (Holland, for example)(at least, the last I heard)

Prostitution, like homosexuality, is a problem when people do stupid things while indulging, and these are what get the headlines. I indulge in neither, but life has been such that I never had the need or desire. BOTH have a long history in human societies...(ancient Greece, etc.)

I'm afraid, ake, that you are unlikely to convince many that your main concern is really health. You may BE quite concerned about health, but it always feels as though you began with strong moral and social objections and have resorted to health concerns to justify them. That is the kind of attitude that is not always even obvious to those holding it. Can I state this with absolute certainty? Of course not.
All I can do is attempt to show counter-examples to some of your claims and recognize that human rights should apply even when many don't **like** who is getting them.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:36 PM

First, for the record (which is right here BTW):

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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 05:39 PM

Bill ...Homosexual relationships are objectionable mainly due to the health risks which come with homosexual practice.
I dont care in the least what Don T, Don Frith,Lox,Tia,or any of the "feel good sisterhood think of me,and certainly don't worry about them geing "on my case". If I found them in agreement with my opinions, then I would really worry!

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Second, yes, I will answer your question right away. In the swirl, I am not sure what it is, so please pose again.

Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:36 PM

Right Jeri, I think I agree with that... it is indeed men who are the problem, in homosexuality and in child sex abuse.

I have always made that clear in any discussions here.

Two men are an infinitely more dangerous sexual grouping than a man and a woman for many reasons, some of which i have listed earlier in this thread.

And what is the name for an exclusively male sexual grouping?......That's right....homosexuality.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:38 PM

"Two men are an infinitely more dangerous sexual grouping than a man and a woman"

Not in Swaziland.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:52 PM

And what is the name for an exclusively male sexual grouping?......That's right....homosexuality.

Homosexual means same-sex, and they don't have to be men. I'm pretty sure you're scorn/bigotry/icky feelings are only related to male homosexuals though.

What kills me about this thread, and most threads involving anything do do with homosexuals is how fast people let themselves get shoved into their respective roles and how fast polarization happens and how easily the subject of the thread is twisted into the same old/same old. Homotextuality.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:56 PM

Ake, what, intrinsically, makes two men "an infinitely more dangerous sexual grouping than a man and a woman?"

I know three male same-sex couples personally and I see nothing "infinitely more dangerous" about them that any male-female couples or female-female couples I know.

What do you mean, "dangerous?"

It sounds to me like you're trying to drag out the dead horse of "spontaneous generation" again.

And, yes, I expect an answer to this question.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 06:14 PM

On the original thread name..."Death penalty for homosexuals".

I have just learned that the death penalty is being called for in cases of "homosexual rape, when the perpretator is aware that he is hiv positive".

A private members bill has been presented to the Ugandan govt and is at present being debated.

This is simply a point of information, so don't draw any inferences.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 06:16 PM

Wrong Tia......Anywhere

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 06:24 PM

Are the "sisterhood" all dead from the neck up?

The health figures for lesbians are on a par with heteros.
The promiscuity figures, no of sexual partners, average length of relationships are all very good.

I can never understand why they continue to ally themselves with male homosexuality which seems to contradict everything they believe in.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 06:26 PM

Answers to my question please......in a sealed envelope if you would prefer!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 06:42 PM

""Just stick to the issues Ebbie!""

If the post Ebbie quoted came from you Ake, I'd say she was bang on the point.

That post is an example of a particularly nasty kind of bigotry, and if it is yours, it shows the mendacity of your high moral stance on the subject of health risk.

You may not give a damn about what I say, but you can't stop me from being right, while you continue to drip this kind of toxic venom into every thread concerning gays.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: gnu
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 06:43 PM

Hehehehehe... in a sealed envelope?

Just thought I would check in and read the last few posts. Seems like youse are still poking each other without coming to a climax. A lot of useless foreplay IMO.

Too bad. I mean, youse can get your asses WAY up in the air on either side of the issue but the fact of the matter is this... gay ain't goin away. It's a fact of life.

See ya next week.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 06:55 PM

Tia...You've misread my post.....or my punctuation's up the creek.

I'm afraid it's worse than you thought, I lumped(and I mean lumped)you in with Lox n'the two Dons....my sincerest apologies!:0).

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 08:51 PM

Ake, you haven't answered my question.

What, intrinsically, makes two men "an infinitely more dangerous sexual grouping than a man and a woman?"

And no, I am not a member of a "sisterhood" and I am not dead from the neck up. I'm perfectly aware, as are all of those here whom you try to denegrate with your insults, that you are simply anti-homosexual, and all your humanitarian-sounding concern for the health of gays is nothing more than a smokescreen for your blatant prejudice.

So--answer my question. If you have any kind of answer.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Joybringer
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 08:58 PM

I see Former Wales and Lions captain Gareth Thomas has just annouced he has a charm to cure piles.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 10:08 PM

Yeah. Piles can be a real pain in the ass. . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 07:36 AM

Why do people always assume that gay men are all into having anal sex? So many are not.

As for rugby... that's the game where men play with funny shaped balls isn't it? ;-)

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One thing is for sure, trying desperately to get back on topic: hanging someone for their sexuality is most definitely bad for their health so that is reason enough to campaign it never happens. State sanctioned murder is still murder :-(

Being gay, whether by choice or by birth (and I believe it to be the latter) should never be a crime.

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I did a search on t'internet for the "feel good sisterhood" but could find no statistics at all as to who is a member or how many there are. I guess that will be one of the great unknowns, however, I do think it's probably genetic ;-)

Have a great weekend everyone

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: TIA
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 07:47 AM

ake -
If you want an answer to your question, you need to ask it :)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 08:45 AM

"P. S. Now watch him writhe and twist and call me names."

He should be so lucky??

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 01:34 PM

Tia baby....I already asked twice.

I never ask three times, I just hit the road.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 04:11 PM

Amos never got back, about that 'curable' part of his post....so if you'd do that, I'll answer your last question of four, and give you something rather unique(too bad), and rather higher, to think about.

Everybody's haggling over the overt 'symptoms'(as Amos may be referring to), but there's something else, way deeper to go into, that I betcha dollars to doughnuts, that our 'esteemed, and agenda-sponsored' study groups never even considered, as to looking for a 'cause', and the Christian 'Right', completely overlooks, and the liberal,'any new trend to shock the mainstream, for a further radical statement group', never occurred to them, and frankly a lot of small minded people, including politicos...well its more than likely, out of their intellectual reach.

In the article I posted, regarding the lesbian fight over custody, in which one of the lesbians 'renounced' homosexuality, and the Dr. Cohen link that I posted, and the fact that I know two ex-homosexual males, and three ex-lesbians, I found the last part of Amos' link interesting....and so very shortly afterwords, I find everyone squabbling again, and the dialogues got.....ummmm......small? All the scientists in the article, admit, that one thing discounts another, or if the other thing has something to do with it, that eliminates the other possibility..and yet, you rocket scientist geniuses, are duking it out with each other, like your experts, while the homosexuals are trying to justify their existence!....Well, if that sounds too harsh, think it through a little further.....and the straight supporters, not knowing the cause either, are supporting something they admittedly know very little about..like, THE CAUSE, and therefore, the end EFFECT, both on the individual homosexual, or society at large......Doesn't it seem logical to know 'lots' of things about something before you get so vehement about it..one way or another???

So, while waiting for Amos, to clarify himself, and there is no 'trick or loaded' question or answer, I'd love to move forward...maybe rock the researchers, while we're at it. Some of you may be 'rocked' as well, instead of just stoned', (just thought I'd throw that in for good measure).

Anyway, here is something to amuse yourselves with, though so truthful that it is, it's exactly what's going on, in this thread, whenever the 'opinion-cats', get a hold of something. Might be worth some self examination. You may have heard it before, but read it through again thoughtfully. Imagine, one unemployed musician, one political expert, one news announcer, one homosexual, one ordinary guy, and one psychiatrist(BTW, I'm not a psychiatrist), having and 'astute' conversation.........(Enjoy)

John Godfrey Saxe's ( 1816-1887) version of the famous Indian legend,


It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind.

The First approach'd the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
"God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!"

The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, -"Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 'tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!"

The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a snake!"

The Fourth reached out his eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
"What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain," quoth he,
"'Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!"

The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: "E'en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can,
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!"

The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Then, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a rope!"

And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!

MORAL.

So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!


With Smiling Regards,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 04:43 PM

"I too think homosexuality is repugnant,against nature and based on psychological problems. ... the answer is to turn away and let the homosexuals get on with their lives,but unfortunatly this is getting harder and harder to achieve, as "gay culture " ouzes from every media orifice with all its nasty innuendo,like little boys behind the bike shed and god help anyone who tries to stop them."

Hmmmm. I wonder who could have written this?



Thanks Ebbie,

I think it has reached the point where this loathesome leopard has his spots exposed for all to see.


He claims now to care for Gay peoples welfare.


But as you have shown with this quote his motives are a long way from that point.


I've had enough of him myself, but I'm right behind you all the way.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 04:44 PM

ake,
The only question you pose in any post that contains the word incest is;
"If homosexuality was still deemed to be illegal by a bunch of corrupt politicians, would you still be saying that you were in favour of "gay" marriage?"
yes.

There ya go, now quit crying about nobody answering your question.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 05:27 PM

Well Tia, that answer opens up another question, why don't you complain about the infringement of the "rights" of other sexual minorities?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 05:34 PM

"Well Tia, that answer opens up another question, why don't you complain about the infringement of the "rights" of other sexual minorities?"

Like who?

Are you implying Paedophiles?

(of course - I keep forgetting - homosexuals are all paedphiles deep down too.)


Ake do you know what the term "mutual consent" means?

No ... never mind ...

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 06:15 PM

And why do you *not* care quite so deeply about the health of Swazis ?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 07:10 PM

OH WAAAAA! Quit bickering.......JEEZ!.., talk about sucking someone into a emotionally immature argument!..Let's be small!

Amos, you around?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 07:16 PM

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 07:23 PM

Ake made a statement some time back, claiming that two men make "an infinitely more dangerous sexual grouping than a man and a woman."

When someone makes a statement like this, it is expected by any rational person that they have a reason or some kind of data to back it up. I have asked Ake the same question several times now:

What, intrinsically, makes two men "an infinitely more dangerous sexual grouping than a man and a woman?"

Yet, Ake simply blows right by it, ignoring the question. It seems that he considers me and a couple of other people not worth answering. And why might that be? Because we have the nasty habit of zeroing right it on the foundations of why he thinks the way he does, and he knows that if he tries to defend his position, it will reveal that he can't give a reasonable sounding answer that won't make his bigotry and prejudice obvious for all to see.

Even him!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 07:25 PM

Anyone for a rousing chorus of "Joy to the World"?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 08:26 PM

...don we now our gay apparel fa la la la la la la la la

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 08:28 PM

TIA;"......don we now our gay apparel fa la la la la la la la la"

Or come as you are...(wink)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 11:47 PM

Sorry, I have been on the road all day, and just got back. GfS, I am not sure what it is you are asking me about but I will have to re-read the back-thread in the morning.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 04:27 AM

Sure thing..Hope you had a good road.
Regards,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 07:13 AM

Hi Sanity.....I know you are right, we should be looking at causes and effects....and trying to understand why things have got so confrontational....and trying to encourage people to accept the need for a worldwide medical inquiry into hiv/aids and male homosexuality.

but it's difficult to keep focused, when trying to defend your stance faced by a baying mob.

Most people in that situation tend to fall back into a default mode of "one liners" and point scoring.
I'll try to do better......Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 07:16 AM

"Most people in that situation tend to fall back into a default mode of "one liners" and point scoring."

Some even descend to answering questions, providing evidence and in some cases maintaining a consistent position.

But you wouldn't Catch Ake stooping as low as that.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 07:23 AM

Now this is funny!

    ROFL

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Elspeth
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 07:47 AM

Concerning LGBTIQ: I know the T and I are not to do with sexual orientation...I put them in because I feel there is a lot of uncertainty around their rights in the same way as there has been with homosexuality.

Also, I may be late in making this comment, but I feel when people bring christianity into this coul they please...I don;t know...specify something like fundamentalists? because I know a LOT of people, myself included, who are actually christians and what a christian ought to be instead of predjudiced fundamentalists giving the rest of us a bad name. Also as you can probably tell I have no problem with homosexuality....may have something to do with having been very in love with a girl for most of my teens...maybe =)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 07:47 AM

"I too think homosexuality is repugnant,against nature and based on psychological problems. ... the answer is to turn away and let the homosexuals get on with their lives,but unfortunatly this is getting harder and harder to achieve, as "gay culture " ouzes from every media orifice with all its nasty innuendo,like little boys behind the bike shed and god help anyone who tries to stop them."

Hmmmm. I wonder who could have written this?

This post has been extensively cut in a typical "hatchet job" by one of the most devious posters on the forum, but I stand by all my remarks even tho' they were made many years ago.

In common with the vast majority of heteros (if they were being honest) I find homosexual practice repugnant, this does not mean I think they deserve to die from what shoul be a very preventable disease. Also, even given all the shit about fruit flies and penguins, the practice is "against nature", as the primary purpose of "nature" is to facilitate procreation of every species. The link with homosexuality and psychiatric problems is well documented.

Homosexuality can't be banned, and criminalising it is on a par with criminalising depression or substance addiction, so I am in favour of letting homosexuals get on with their lives in private, as long as the appropriate health education is provided.
The promotion of homosexual culture by the media and "liberal" ideology does make this course more difficult.

In conclusion, Ebbie leaves out the agreement with my "repugnance" remark, by one of the more thoughtful contributers to this thread, who is in favour of "Gay marriage" etc.....Miss Tomahawk indeed!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Elspeth
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 07:57 AM

Although it irks me no end, I have to say that the comment "I find homosexual _practice_ repugnant" is actually a valid comment...I mean it works the other way around. I have a heterophobic lesbian friend who actually feels nauseous at the idea of heterosxual "practice"

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 08:04 AM

Ah....another honest poster! Welcome Elsie that's four of us already.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 08:49 AM

Hello again Elspeth :-)

I think in many ways we may be luckier in the UK as the law is lots more specific and clearer in many areas to do with all discriminations. Alas, many of our laws are also 'tag ons' whereby an initial law has been passed and then they have added groups into it as laws have changed. They do try though and I think the UK probably is quite good with it all. That said, it does not and will not stop people disagreeing with others having 'equal' rights. I guess it's a human thing? That confusion you mention still abides in abundance but is getting lots better here.

What you say about Christians is quite right too. And other 'people of religion' (other religions). Most just want to practice their faith without being vehement or upsetting anyone else on various topics. Indeed, the vast majority of folks I know who have a faith and religion actually preach a message of love for all, live and let live, judge yea not, etc. This has changed a lot too in my lifetime as people have become more open minded and educated as to other's lives. Fundamentalism, in most things, is often a far cry from that being carried out by the majority of followers.

Fighting for rights and existance is so complicated :-(

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 09:01 AM

I think you are right in our being luckier in the UK...of course there are a lot of things that aren't right, and as you say many of our laws are indeed "tag ons" which is a shame. But overall, yes I think it's dealt with well.
It probably is a human thing...it wouldn't be normal for everyone to agree.

Exactly, there is a lot of confusion of 'faith' with 'religion'. People who have faith should of course be free to practise their religion, but there is a lot of religion without true faith that tends to be all about the achaic practices and NOT "love for all". Which, by the way, I heartily agree with as the most important message/practice.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Elspeth
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 09:02 AM

That was me btw, the previous post.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 09:17 AM

Elspeth, sorry... my post and reply blanked out so I am putting in another if someone can remove the blank.

I fear your Guest reply may disappear too so I have made a note below of your anwer to keep it on the forum :-)

I look forward to the day we can all be friends and have respect. It is a dream, I know, but I can dream wondering what it would be like. I think it is healthy for people to disagree on a lot of things. I would certainly not want a cloned society, but respect and education must be high on the list toward achieving peace in the end :-)

mp

Elspeth wrote "I think you are right in our being luckier in the UK...of course there are a lot of things that aren't right, and as you say many of our laws are indeed "tag ons" which is a shame. But overall, yes I think it's dealt with well.
It probably is a human thing...it wouldn't be normal for everyone to agree.

Exactly, there is a lot of confusion of 'faith' with 'religion'. People who have faith should of course be free to practise their religion, but there is a lot of religion without true faith that tends to be all about the achaic practices and NOT "love for all". Which, by the way, I heartily agree with as the most important message/practice"

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Elspeth
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 10:42 AM

Yes, it's not about all agreeing on the matter is it? It's about having respect for eachother. I certainly have friends that disagree with me on subjects that could be considered hugely important, but as it is I get on with the people they are, and don't bother myself that their ideals are perhaps different to my own.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 10:46 AM

"...the primary purpose of "nature" is to facilitate procreation of every species."

Nature doesn't have a 'purpose' in the sense we mean it. Evolution DOES work in such a way that procreation is usually assured. That is sort of automatic, or we wouldn't be here, but 'nature' produces many variations on the theme which don't affect the procreation aspect. Perhaps there's some 'purpose' in that also.

I DO know that when I was still in my teens, and saw some of those good-looking gay guys, I was quietly relieved that they were not competing with ME for girl friends.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 11:20 AM

"I DO know that when I was still in my teens, and saw some of those good-looking gay guys, I was quietly relieved that they were not competing with ME for girl friends"

The subject of gay men and the women that 'love' them could be a whole thread in itself. So many women will still fancy a gay man even if they know he is gay. Being gay does not stop them being attractive.

We used to say things like "All the decent men are either already married or gay" and, while not factually correct, many women find gay men make excellent friends because sex is taken out of the equation. It's a very relaxing relationship that is fun, friendly, loving and safe. Some men do not like their wives/girfriends talking to other men but would not get upset if it was a gay man at all. So they, too, feel unthreatened by the relationship. Gay men (and I am generalising) really treat you wonderful, are great conversationalists, know how to have a fun time, are not interested in you sexually, and can dance ;-)   Forgive any stereotyping. This has just been my own experience. Any other women out there agree?

We are getting into a "When Harry Met Sally" type thing here, I know, but I do actually belive that men and women can have platonic friendships where sex does not raise its head. Being friends with a gay man (men) just takes it a step further and there is no threat percieved at all from sex. Do other women feel the same way? I know most of my females friends do. This is not a slight on straight men in any way, but there is just something I cannot define that is intrinsic with a female-gay male friendship. For the record I have nothing against straight guys trying to date lol

So, I suspect that while you were grateful that the gay men were not competing directly that you still actually came across women who were nonetheless attracted to those same men?

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 11:35 AM

Procreation f every species is certainly one of the major dynamic vectors of life, but I wouldn't attribute to "a purpose", beyond it being an inherent struggle by every organism. Postulating it as an "assigned attribute" is what you might call a "Blind Watchmaker" argument.

The trouble is that it seems, in general terms, homosexuals are uninterested in "marriage" or monogamy(Ake)

Ake, this is an outrageous assertion when you look at how hard large portions of the gay community are trying to get the right to legalize their monogamous relationships. Maybe you've just been exposed to the "young buck" section of the population, of the type who lead risky lives no matter what their sexual orientation.

GfS: I asked if you thought homosexuality was reversible or cureable. That doesn't mean I think it is a disease, but that I was curious whether you do and whether or not in your view it is remediable. i think it is not, outside of reincarnating in the correct body type.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 11:51 AM

Devious:
1. departing from the most direct way; circuitous; indirect: a devious course.
2. without definite course; vagrant: a devious current.
3. departing from the proper or accepted way; roundabout: a devious procedure.
4. not straightforward; shifty or crooked: a devious scheme to acquire wealth.

It is true that I prefer the stiletto over the bludgeon or even the hatchet - it is less messy and just as efficient.
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Ake: "This post has been extensively cut in a typical "hatchet job" by one of the most devious posters on the forum, but I stand by all my remarks even tho' they were made many years ago."

No so, my slippery friend. Here is the ENTIRE post:

"I must give my support to "cruiser"in this thread. He has had the courage to say what many of us feel about homosexuality, but are too intimidated by the politically correct "Gay"pressure group.
I too think homosexuality is repugnant,against nature and based on psychological problems.
"Cruiser says the answer is to turn away and let the homosexuals get on with their lives,but unfortunatly this is getting harder and harder to achieve, as "gay culture " ouzes from every media orifice,
with all its nasty innuendo,like little boys behind the bike shed
and god help anyone who tries to stop them....Ake
PS At least folk music seems to be pretty clear of this scourge.
Just shows what well adjusted ,sensible hetros we are."

Feel better now? Incidentally, even though it "was many years ago" (2004), does this mean that you have changed your views?