BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:10 PM

Your silence (in response to my request( speaks volumes, GfS.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:12 PM

Well Keith, I guess you must have got these statistics from crazy Christian fundamentalist websit as Don says.......Oh! UNAID! but that means they're agreeing with what I've been saying for years about the dangers of homosexual practice?.......that can't be right cause Don, Lox n' Royston say I'm a "vile, perverted, shit for brains, homophobic bigot"......and they're never wrong??

The up to date statistic from UNAID completely demolish al of the oppositions arguments in one fell swoop.

hiv infections globally down 17%
infections in SS Africa down 15%
new diagnoses for MSM....in UK up 74%.....in Europe up 39% in 3yrs

"The re-emergence of the epidemic among MSM is now clearly apparent"

"The UK needs to re-prioritise hiv prevention among homosexual men otherwise we risk falling further behind"

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:22 PM

GfS, both you and Ake rattle on constantly about homosexual promiscuity.

Just four in every hundred gay men are HIV positive. This simply does not support the claims of rampant promiscuity. Rather the opposite.

You have repeatedly stated that the highest risk factor is anal sex between males.

Please explain how 96% of gay men could possibly beat the odds so comprehensively.

Could it be that your cherished perception of gay men as promiscuous risk takers is wrong?

Could it be, that, in common with heterosexuals, their pairings are about other things than sex, perhaps even the "L" word, which you always place in inverted commas.

You have all signally failed to address the above questions, and unless you can do so in a logical manner, your whole argument is in tatters.

Your comments please.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:25 PM

Ake, you really should make an effort to keep up.

Both Royston and I have already dealt with the poiints you have just raised.

Try reading all the posts, otherwise you will get even more confused.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:28 PM

Smeds: "Your silence (in response to my request( speaks volumes, GfS."

I think I answered that, already...." medley, I was going to 'copy and paste' as segment from your stupidly childish post:From: Smedley Date: 28 Jan 10 - 03:03 AM ..but it was ALL so stupid and immature,.."

What part of 'ALL' don't you understand??

'All' means 'all', and that's 'all' all means!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:33 PM

DonT: You keep saying 'homosexual promiscuity'...I said.......
'Promiscuity!!!!!'

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:35 PM

Don.... go and read the UNAID figures, I take no pleasure from the fact that homosexual infection rates are continuing to rise so steeply.....it will ultimately mean more illness and death....unless more effective measures are taken to combat it.

Royston seemed to be happily waiting for the day when hetero infection rates reached parity with homo rates.....that is sad in itself, but these figures prove that he will never get his longed for wish.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:38 PM

Hi, Ake. Can you believe this angst against the obvious??....Jeez!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:39 PM

""DonT: You keep saying 'homosexual promiscuity'...I said.......
'Promiscuity!!!!!'""

Come off it.

Your contention all through has been the same as Ake's, that homosexuals are the problem.

And not just on this thread.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:44 PM

OK, thanks for that,dearest darling GfS.

I hope the other readers of thread have now noted that GfS thinks love between non-heterosexuals is stupid, immature, childish and ridiculous.

Might I suggest that others henceforth cease asking him for his arguments. He has none. All he has is embittered, scared, petty, venomous, cretinous prejudice.

Oh and about 1735 children, each one sired with his mighty and majestic tool. I expect we'll see a statue of it erected before too long, a veritable Mount Rushmore of pulsatingly fecund manhood. I expect it's visible from space, like some throb-heavy Great Wall of China. Maybe Mel Gibson will direct a film about it, though it would have to be wide-screen.

GfS: truly America's most crucial cock.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:46 PM

Hi Sanity. Dont worry, I think they'll pull through......after an all night hand job!!   :0)

I think they call it "comfort beating"

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:49 PM

Smeds;"OK, thanks for that,dearest darling GfS.

You're welcome!

I hope the other readers of thread have now noted that GfS thinks love between non-heterosexuals is stupid, immature, childish and ridiculous."

No, just your post. Funny how you omitted what I said about your Dad, being a homophobe, because he was heterosexual, as your post alluded to.

Never mind, don't reply. You just keep getting sillier.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:51 PM

If you can't read, that's hardly my problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:56 PM

""Don.... go and read the UNAID figures, I take no pleasure from the fact that homosexual infection rates are continuing to rise so steeply.....it will ultimately mean more illness and death....unless more effective measures are taken to combat it.

Royston seemed to be happily waiting for the day when hetero infection rates reached parity with homo rates.....that is sad in itself, but these figures prove that he will never get his longed for wish.""

Ake, you are the one who set so much store by percentages, yet you ignore them when they prove you wrong.

Between 2000 and 2007, the total number of new gay male infections diagnosed in the UK, irrespective of country of origin, rose by 74%.

Between 2000 and 2009, the total number of hetero UK acquired infections rose by 500%.

Yet, you insist that the way forward is to concentrate on homosexual males, and ignore the heterosexual situation.

Not once in this whole discussion have you responded to the fact that 96% of gay males are HIV negative.

You are so blinded by your own agenda, which is, apparently, to isolate and disenfranchise homosexuals, to deprive them of civil rights, and force them into accepting curtailment of both choice and liberty, that you can't even discuss the ninety six out of every hundred who don't fit your stereotype.

So you simply ignore all reference to them.

Not good enough pal.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:56 PM

This is what I said about my father:



"I loved my Dad, by the way, he loved me and he couldn't have been kinder & more supportive to myself and my partner."


And that makes him homophobic.....how ?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 08:24 PM

Obviously, by what they've been posting for some time now, both Ake and GfS are dancing in rage and peeing their pants.

Any powers of rational argument they ever might have had (if, indeed, any at all) have totally escaped them.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 08:34 PM

Que?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 09:49 PM

Si!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 02:02 AM

"Not once in this whole discussion have you responded to the fact that 96% of gay males are HIV negative."

Much has been made of the fact that "only" 4% have HIV.
(The corresponding figure for straight men would be about 0.0007%)

One, tragic reason the figure is so low is that it has killed so many already.
How much bigger would the figure be if the 18 000 gay dead could be restored to their natural lifespan?
If there was a land where an incurable, fatal disease had already killed a large chunk of the population, and 4% of the survivors had it, there would be official warnings not to got there.
The international community would probably impose a quarantine.
Even the great flu pandemic of 1918 only killed 3% of the population.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 02:16 AM

Ake: The up to date statistic from UNAID completely demolish al of the oppositions arguments in one fell swoop.

hiv infections globally down 17%
infections in SS Africa down 15%
new diagnoses for MSM....in UK up 74%.....in Europe up 39% in 3yrs


And straight british white people up 500% in the same period.

Straight, white, British people rather seem to be at the top of global league table for increasing rates of infection. What's your solution for their peculiarly dangerous lifestyle?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 02:19 AM

Ake: Royston seemed to be happily waiting for the day when hetero infection rates reached parity with homo rates.....that is sad in itself, but these figures prove that he will never get his longed for wish.

You lying shit for brains. I have been advocating education and outreach programmes - unversal education - while you and Keith have been saying the exact opposite - that there is no point helping straight people. Idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 02:28 AM

Keith still not found a point yet.

Full of figures and facts, no idea how to use them. Typical teacher. You're like some spotty lower-6th debating captain.

So what are your proposals for reducing the burden of HIV on all affected groups, Keith?

As you know, I advocate outreach, education. There is an awful lot of going on and there needs to be more. There needs to more general education to instill the information as widely and as early as possible.

Anyone made a donation to an HIV charity yet?

What do you propose, Keith? What is your point?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 03:07 AM

All I have done is to correct your misleading and exagerated claims and bring some objectivity into the debate.
Now the 500% increase.
It is mathematically correct.
It would be equally mathematically correct, and equally meaningless to state,
"Since 1975, the rise in heterosexual HIV infection is over a billion, trillion percent!"

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 03:19 AM

Don: 'Obviously, by what they've been posting for some time now, both Ake and GfS are dancing in rage and peeing their pants.'

Dream on!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 03:43 AM

"It would be equally mathematically correct, and equally meaningless to state,
"Since 1975, the rise in heterosexual HIV infection is over a billion, trillion percent!" "


No it wouldn't.


The 500% stat tells us about a significant change in heterosexuals which is going on NOW - TODAY.

This is directly relevant to this dicsussion and completely undermines the assertion that heterosexaual education is unnecessary and wasteful.

When you bear in mind that 10% think you can't get pregnant if you have sex standing up, you get a snapshot of some very vulnerable and at risk young straight people in our society.


The billion trillion % stat tells us that in 1975 we discovered a disease called AIDS.

So the 500% stat is relevant and meaningful.

And the comparison you have made is a bad one.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 03:52 AM

The 500% figure is so high because it is a rise from a tiny initial number.
My description of it as an increase from infinitesimal to miniscule conveys more clearly the true situation.
That is not to say that the rise is not worrying and should not be addressed.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 06:23 AM

In USA, and probably here too, most heterosexual infections are from high risk group, i.e. where the partner is an intravenous drug user or bisexual.
Such people would benefit from the targeted intervention we have been discussing.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 06:42 AM

To be honest I think that intravenous drug users, bisexuals and homosexuals, are probably more aware than most of the risks they take with dangerous practices. Their various communities and support networks have spent lots of money on education projects and the likes.

Where the great damger lies is in the percentage of straight folks who still see HIV/AIDS as a gay disease or a disease of intravenous drugs users. So many think it cannot happen to them because they are straight. So many discount any chance of acquiring HIV/AIDS because they are not in a high risk group. In fact, they are! Anyone having unprotected sex is risking all sorts of things and until ALL people recognises that no-one is immune to this threat then the figures will continue to rise.

The sooner the myth of it being a gay disease is got rid of, and people who are not gay start thinking they are just as easily a target for the disease, then we may have a start in seeing a reduction in new infections.

HIV/AIDS could not give a monkey's curse what sexuality or colour or religious persuasion the person is whose body it gets into. It does not read books and does not know statistical analysis. The thread has now become al about statistics, but that undertow of current is still dragging some folks under that this disease would go away if gay folks stopped having sex. It won't. This is NOT a gay issue and, even if at first it had been here in the western world, it most certainly is not now. Stop blaming gay folks. Take off the straight blinkers, because they will kill you, as the basic premise on which you are basing straight sex as being fine is very flawed. ALL unsafe sex is risky, dangerous sex. Some types may be a little more risky than others but it matters not. This is everyone's problem if they do not have safe sex.

Statistical arguments aside... Why are we still scapegoating gay men on this? The FACTS about the disease as it is NOW is what is important. As was said much earlier in the thread by someone with sense...

The disease does not discriminate: why should we?

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:30 AM

Sorry Keith,

Lets concentrate on what the 500% increase actually shows.

The figures for low domestic heterosexual transmission go back a long way, with a recent and comparatively sudden increase of 500% in the last few years.

That clearly shows a significant change of circumstances.

In addition,

The numbers of domestically infected heterosexuals may have been low, but to describe it as having been infinitesimally low is grossly inaccurate.

On both those bases, your parallel is wrong.


Furthermore, just as your figures have been posted to illustrate that homosexuals proportionately suffer more from HIV, the 500% figure is important as it shows that proportionately, non drug-abusing non African heterosexuals are the fastest rising demographic.


There's cool unbiased statistical analysis for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:46 AM

At the start of the period, the risk of heterosexual infection was comparable to being struck by lightning.
An infinitesimal risk.
A couple of hundred out of a population of 60 million could reasonably be described as an infintesimal proportion.
It has risen rapidly but is still a tiny proportion.
Also, in America, this group are not you average heterosexuals.
Their partners are overwhelmingly drug injectors or some other high risk category.
I can not find the breakdown for UK, but why would it be different?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:50 AM

250 out of 60 million is 0.00000003 %

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:52 AM

Sorry, 3 should be a 4.
Don't want to mislead anybody.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 08:07 AM

It has been a long week.
You will have all spotted that it should be 0.0004%

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 08:41 AM

"Don't want to mislead anybody."

Yet your percentage is nevertheless misleading.

Not because there is a 3 or a 4 at the end, but because 250 people being infected with HIV a year is still a significant number.

It is a small enough number that the networking that royston speaks of has not come into play yet.

And if the population of England were infinite then we could probably predict a consistent rise of 250 per year for ever for that reason.

However, this is not the case.

The pool has gradually become more polluted, and inevitably, the numbers have started to rise, and the rate of that rise has been comparatively pretty dramatic.

If it increases by another 500% then we will have in excess of 6,000 UK acquired heterosexual infections a year.

As long as 60% of teenagers continue to have unprotected sex, and as long as the public remains ignorant about sexual health, there is no reason to believe that there will be any decrease or reversal of this recent trend.

Finally, it is misleading to compare homosexuals to the entire population of Britain.

They are a single demographic WITHIN society, so should be compared to other demographics within society.

A good place to start would be adolescent girls and young women, who make up about 3 and a half millon each.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 08:58 AM

Fair comment Lox.
Also, I found the breakdown for hetero infection UK and it does not follow US pattern of mostly high risk types.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 09:46 AM

thank you, Lox, for explaining that. As I said weeks ago, as Kevin de Cock says, it is all about sexual networks and how tight they are. That is the only reason gay men in the west are disproportionately represented. It appeared in that group, it can't readily break out and in such a tight and closed network, the infection and disease is hot-housed.

That straight, white people have managed a 500pc increase from such a ow starting pool of carriers in a big and wide open transmission network is appalling. Something caring needs to be done about it. Like a general education program.

It also shows that there must, on the terms of Ake, GfS et al, be something quite appalling about contemporary heterosexual practice. If of course they are consistent and not just homophobic bigots.

Keith, I am glad that you are finally coming to the realisation that the 'liberal' argument here is proven to be justified. It does nothing to reduce the utter contempt in which I hold you for your wrong-minded and malicious efforts to prove something entirely different.

Please tell me why you do this, if you are not a bigot? What is your point in all this?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 10:54 AM

Royston, how can you make a statement like "That is the only reason gay men in the west are disproportionately represented."
How do you know that?
I have learned a lot ovet the last few days, but I have seen nothing to support that. Please put up some evidence or withdraw.

I find it hard to believe because AIDS has been in the West for over 30 years.
De Cock says he is not expecting a comparable heterosexual epidemic.
None of the experts I have come across do.
Only you Royston.
What do you know that they do not?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 11:26 AM

Lox, re. what is a signicant number.
1200 infections a year is only 0.002%

That is three thousand, five hundred percent less than the 0.07% limit for classifying as a rare disease.

Increasing by 300 a year it will be a rare disease for another 140 years.
Then we should start to get worried.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 12:52 PM

From UNAIDS.

"Independently of human rights, there is a clear and strong public health rationale for effective
prevention among men who have sex with men and transgender people. If we want to prevent
HIV infections, it is essential that more effective prevention efforts (which are inextricably linked
with treatment and care) among groups with higher prevalences be undertaken."

Please read, digest and try to comprehend what this means...thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 12:59 PM

keith, your WHO expert says that AIDS prevalence rates are, most importantly of all the factors, driven by sexual networks. Like prostitutes and their punters, like migratory labour displacement, like sexual minorities. That is to say like gay communities.

I explained this ages ago, gave a numeric example of a theoretical situation, challenged you to correct me. You ran away then, you are still running away.

It is basic epidemiology; are you actually saying, with all your scientific knowledge, that you think I am wrong in asserting what I do on this issue? If you are, say so and say why.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 01:04 PM

Ake, most people here have at least a double digit IQ and understand exactly what that means.

More outreach, more education, more condoms, more care.

It,s now isn't that what the liberals have been saying all along?

Have you made a cash donation to those organisations I pointed out yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 01:10 PM

mauvepink; "To be honest I think that intravenous drug users, bisexuals and homosexuals, are probably more aware than most of the risks they take with dangerous practices."

THANK YOU, mp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's beyond belief that the ones in here don't agree with you!
Don't believe me??......just scroll back!

As far as I'm concerned, ALL promiscuity is also a 'dangerous practice', and a foolish, destructive one, at that!..Just ask the children of a home broken because of it. Just ask yourselves, of the time wasted in your lives, over coming it, or the 'No-Where Land' you ended up, pursuing it!!!

THANK YOU< ONCE AGAIN, MP!!!
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 01:26 PM

" "Independently of human rights, there is a clear and strong public health rationale for effective
prevention among men who have sex with men and transgender people. If we want to prevent
HIV infections, it is essential that more effective prevention efforts (which are inextricably linked
with treatment and care) among groups with higher prevalences be undertaken."

Please read, digest and try to comprehend what this means...thank you. "


Ok, I did.

I see no recommendation that Gay human rights be curtailed.

I see no recommendation that Gays should be quarantined or subjected to compulsory testing.

I do read that there is concern that prevention efforsts so far are not as effective as they need to be.

I also read that treatment and care need to involve a higher emphasis on prevention than is currently the case.


Finally, I also note that you have provided a quote without providing a link, so we can have no iidea of what came before or after.

Consequently we can have no clue what the context is or what was meant in relation to the phrase "independently of human rights".

Depending on what came before, this could mean many things.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 01:34 PM

No, GfS, another case of you hearing what you want to hear.

MP said that "at risk" groups were more aware of the risks of risky practices. Nobody here disputes that. Unprotected penetrative sex is what spreads HIV. Gay men are probably more aware of that truth than are some other groups. Unprotected penetrative sex is risky for everyone - gay or straight. For some reason that I can't fathom a lot of people - gay or straight - have unprotected penetrative sex.

You wish that MP had said "Gay men are inherently risky", but that is not what she said.

96% of gay men are perfectly safe and healthy.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 01:40 PM

Wrong Royston..It means that they have come to the conclusion that the policies you advocate are failing and that "more effective preventive measures(which are inextricably linked with treatment and care) be taken among groups with higher prevalences"


"Independently of human rights"

I notice your attitude and language are not quite so vicious when your back is to the wall.......Typical of a bully!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 01:41 PM

"Increasing by 300 a year it will be a rare disease for another 140 years."

As more people become infected, more people will be at risk, so the rate of increase will also increase.

You will not see a steady 300 per year, but a similar percentage each year, itself increasing slightly as the pool of vulnerable young girls gets having unprotected sexgets proportionately smaller.

10% of young women have chlamydia.

thats around 300,000.

around the same number as think you can't get pregnant standing up.

And I would argue, probably the same number of women that could eventually be infected with HIV if nothing is done to change young peoples habits.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 01:44 PM

Ake,

Link please.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 01:45 PM

Royston, re your post to me.
My only problem with your first paragraph is the expression "your WHO expert."
It should of course be "the WHO expert" i.e. the Head of WHO Aids Department.
All the rest I knew already and is not at all contentious to me or anyone else here I am sure.
You then talk about what I am saying "with all my scientific knowledge"
That is where we differ.
I have no specialist knowledge of this. That is why I rely so heavily on the opinions of genuine experts in the field.(How you ridiculed me for quoting experts!) And guess what Royston.
None of them agree with you.
And that is why I am certain that you are wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 01:47 PM

Royston...To what does your 96 % relate?

I have been reading the Unaids African homosexual infection rates and they range from 15%---40% of the entire homosexual population.

In fact the infection rates everywhere seem much higher in percentage terms among homosexuals than heteros?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 01:56 PM

Lox, re your "As more people become infected, more people will be at risk, so the rate of increase will also increase."
If this were happening we would be seeing an exponential increase.
That is not what the figures show.
We see a slow, linear increase of around 200 per year.

That makes hetero acquired HIV an incredibly rare disease and likely to remain a rare disease for at least a century.
That accords well with WHO appraisal I provided yesterday.

It is only contradicted by that multi-polymath expert on everything Royston.
I doubt WHO and UNAIDS are tearing up their reports on his account though.