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Lyr Req: You ladies all both great and small

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Subject: Lyr Req: You ladies all both great and small
From: Rumncoke
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 10:00 PM

Back in the 1970s I was living in Market Harborough and heard a song with the chorus

You ladies all both great and small I wish you a joyful May

- or it might be I do wish you.
The line is repeated.

I have not come across it again and today - and as I am waiting for the dawn it has come to mind and is bothering me.
Without the first line of the first verse I can't do a search. I did find the phrase in a verse of a different song when trawling through May songs but it is definitely the chorus. Almost definitely the chorus.
Anyone know it?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You ladies all both great and small
From: cnd
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 11:27 PM

From http://cbladey.com/mayjack/maysong.html

MAY-DAY GARLAND

Traditional
The Oxford Book of Carols No. 48

I've brought you here a bunch of may!
Before your door it stands:
It's well set out and well spread about,
By the work of our Lord's hands:
It's well set out and well spread about,
By the work of our Lord's hands.

This morning is the first of May,
The primest of the year:
So ladies all, both great and small,
I wish you a joyful cheer:
So ladies all, both great and small,
I wish you a joyful cheer.

Then take your bible in your hand,
And read the scriptures through:
And when the day of judgement comes,
The Lord will remember you:
And when the day of judgement comes,
The Lord will remember you.

The clock's struck one! I must be gone!
No longer can I stay.
If I should live to carry again,
I'll call another May:
If I should live to carry again,
I'll call another May.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You ladies all both great and small
From: cnd
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 11:28 PM

I also found this:

his Morning is the First of May,
The bright time of the year.
If I should live and tarry well,
If I should live and tarry well,
If I should live and tarry well I'll call another year.
So ladies all, both great and small, I wish you a joyful May.

From http://kingsdownkent.blogspot.com/2009/05/this-morning-is-first-of-may.html. No attribution of title, though


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You ladies all both great and small
From: cnd
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 11:32 PM

A little more detail on the above song by following the link in the article:

This song was resurrected by a folk band called Muckrum Wakes from the oral memories of the East Midlands, and shows the frequent fusion of pagan and Christian traditions at feast days.

And I sing it every year at this time, to commemorate the importance of the spring festival, to the chagrin of the rest of the family.

Apparently it was called The May Song (click). Not currently available online to listen to sadly as best as I can find.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You ladies all both great and small
From: Rumncoke
Date: 01 May 20 - 12:39 AM

I do believe that it was the May day garland - well done!!

It had become 'a joyful May' but the rest is very familiar.

Now - after ensuring that the sun has come up from the South to make the summer strong - OK - an improvised jig and swift bit of Bampton on the decking in the back garden between the apple trees and the trampoline, (but it seems to have worked anyway) I will wish you all a merry Mayday and perhaps have a bit of a lie down.

I think the days of drinking down the moon and dancing up the sun are somewhat in the past for me but I do feel quite cheerful now.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You ladies all both great and small
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 01 May 20 - 06:36 AM

Lots of versions, mainly from the Midlands and south of England.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You ladies all both great and small
From: G-Force
Date: 01 May 20 - 07:16 AM

This particular version was often sung by Roger Watson solo, and I think it was on his Pick & The Malt Shovel LP.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You ladies all both great and small
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 01 May 20 - 09:08 AM

From 1885

https://books.google.ca/books?id=UVoUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA110&lpg=PA110&dq=You+ladies+all+both+great+and+small&source=bl&ots=BZgA9DDaw8


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You ladies all both great and small
From: Rumncoke
Date: 01 May 20 - 05:14 PM

I have heard of Muckrum Wakes - and the pick and the malt shovel is an old favourite of mint - the coat of arms for the place where I grew up has a pitman and a brewer as supporters.
I have been trying to recall how I first heard the May day garland - there was definitely a chorus - the 'you ladies all' - and the verses are familiar - just slightly changed from the Oxford book. I suppose I should just do that many have done - alter and adapt.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You ladies all both great and small
From: GUEST,Jenny sans cookie
Date: 02 May 20 - 06:08 AM

The refrain in the CHESHIRE MAYDAY CAROL is
"Good people all, both great and small, it is the first of May"
Lyrics here:
https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=59752
(sorry, the blue clicky maker's not working)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You ladies all both great and small
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 02 May 20 - 03:22 PM

Hi Rumncoke - I remember Tim Edwards singing the Muckram Wakes version (or a very similar one) at Herga round about this time of year, a long time ago!

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You ladies all both great and small
From: Rumncoke
Date: 03 May 20 - 05:48 AM

I think that there must have been various versions around.
The one I heard was at the Market Harborough folk club, sung by a member of John Lilburne's regiment of musket and pike - part of the sealed knot.
It was never well received - they were rather a heathen lot as I recall.

Anne


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