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BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like

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A PROPER CUP OF COFFEE
I'D RATHER MAKE COFFEE THAN LOVE
MAKIN' COFFEE


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Subject: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Midchuck
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 12:46 PM

King Gustav III, who ruled Sweden in the latter half of the eighteenth century, was so convinced of the particular perils of coffee over all other forms of caffeine that he devised an elaborate experiment. A convicted murderer was sentenced to drink cup after cup of coffee until he died, with another murderer sentenced to a lifetime of tea drinking as a control. (Unfortunately, the two doctors in charge of the study died before anyone else did; then Gustav was murdered; and finally the tea drinker died, at eighty-three, of old age - leaving the original murderer alone with his expresso, and leaving coffee's supposed toxicity in some doubt.)

- from Java Man, article by Malcolm Gladwell, in The New Yorker, July 30, 2001 issue.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 12:50 PM

This is good to know. There is a bylaw in my Hometown prohibiting me from driving, operating heavy machinery or attempting to communicate unless I've had at least a half a pot of of coffee.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Jim Krause
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 12:51 PM

We should all have that law.
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 12:56 PM

That's a truly weird story, Midchuck. Perhaps Texas should consider sentencing people to death by...

pizza

coca cola

pepsi

Big Macs

and so on...

Then again, they could just force them to watch reruns of Gilligan's Island and Three's Company...day after day after day after endless day....

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 02:37 PM

Coffee... eeeecccchhhh ! Goes in black comes out white. eeeecccchhhh !


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Kim C
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 03:49 PM

a three-hour tour... a three-hour tour.........


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 04:01 PM

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion
It is by the juice of the bean
The thoughts acquire speed
The hands acquire shaking
The teeth acquire stains
The stains become a warning
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 04:07 PM

I like that Clinton. Did you write it?

(...she says, with a steaming cup of coffee in hand)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 04:21 PM

"Coffee should be as black as hell,
Strong as death,
And sweet as love."

Turkish proverb

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Stewart
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 04:29 PM

Oops, lost my cookie there - now reset. Check out my Coffee web page here.

S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: GUEST,artbrooks@work
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 04:34 PM

I can relate. I live 1/4 mile from work...but I drive 2 miles (each way) so I can get a cup (or three!) of good coffee to stoke myself up before the day begins.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 04:51 PM

carolc

It's sorta stolen from the old movie version of DUNE...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Amos
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 05:06 PM

This topic is RIDDLED with song opportunities screaming for realization!! Too bad I'm working!!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 06:16 PM

No dafter than the way that substances that are about as dangerous as coffee (and less addictive)are demonised today.

Mind you, every time I have a good cup of tea I wonder why I drink so much coffee - but I'm lazy, and instant coffee tastes better than instant tea.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Gareth
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 06:46 PM

Danger - Be carefull they don't swop the mix in the coffee machine at work to De-Caf.

It took our Island two weeks to discover why we did not wake up till lunch time.

It was a traffic hazard too - I was running blind on the way home, and wondered why I had to stop at the MacDonald's (cringe) at Aberdare before I could face the Cwm Cynon road.

No De Caf Coffee should come with a Health warning.

Gareth.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 08:43 PM

I dont drink much coffee, it gives me a headache, but I like Drinking Chocolate.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: DancingMom
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 11:19 PM

MY drug of choice! Won't work a night shift without it. S.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: rangeroger
Date: 24 Jul 01 - 11:54 PM

I only drink one cup of coffee a day.

In a 34 oz thermos cup.Lasts me my drive to work. 1 hour.

rr


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: MarkS
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 12:23 AM

The elixer of life, but only the way nature intended it to be, without sugar or cream. (Except cappucino)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: RangerSteve
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 12:46 AM

Stewart - nice coffee labels, I'll probably order some soon, but not the Kopi Luwak stuff. I have to give you credit for being able to describe the process in a way that makes it sound appetizing. Who cleans the beans off?MarkS - I don't agree. Sugar and cream is OK, but nature definately didn't intend for coffee to be flavored - all that French Vanilla, Hazelnut, pecan nonsense has got to stop. I once found peach and banana flavored coffees. That's just not right.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Metchosin
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 04:50 AM

Ahhh, Coffee! Drink of insurrectionists...The elixir of life....my favorite libation....hot as fire, black as night.....the reason I'm still up and posting at 1:47 AM....hmmmmm.

I agree RangerSteve, flavoured coffee is a perversion and instant coffee?..yuk!...real coffee's evil twin.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 05:27 AM

Plagiarizing Agent Dale Cooper, I always commend the worthy coffee maker with a 'Damn fine coffee, ma'am'.

I am addicted. I know I am, as I give it up every Lent, and the chocolate, sex, alcohol and morris dancing are a piece of piss.... but coffee, ooooh baby, that's tough. 46 days of pure hell without the cafetiere. And I'm already jumpy about next lententide, coming soon!

Goddam, I love coffee, getting a fine Douwe Egberts down me neck right now.

Skipjack


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Subject: Lyr Add: COFFEE (Short Sisters)
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 06:58 AM

I'm sitting here with my one stein-sized coffee of the day. I wish I could drink more, but the jitters set in after the one!
A favorite coffee song (as sung by the Short Sisters):

C-O-F-F-E-E
Don't drink too much coffee
Not for children is this Turkish brew
Hurts the brain and the nervous system, too
Take some advice from me
Have a nice cup of tea!

For some reason, I can drink tea all day, especially if Bill Sables supplies it. But I looooooooooove that first cuppa coffee!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Les from Hull
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 07:29 AM

When I'm Ruler of the World (won't be long now!) my first decree will be to stop the makers of so-called Instant Coffee from calling it that. It'll have to be Instant Coffee-Style Drink or something similar. I've just finished my morning cafetiere (organic fairly-traded Machu Pichu!) and am counting the minutes until my afternoon one.

Although coffee should be just strong and black, my partner, Maggie has an interesting variation. Instead of milk she puts in Baileys.

Les


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 09:20 AM

Mark S, I'm with you. Just the way it comes out of the bean.

These frapachocalatte things are an abomination.


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Subject: Lyr Add: PROPER CUP OF COFFEE (chorus only)
From: Naemanson
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 09:36 AM

All I want is a proper cup of coffee,
Made in a proper copper coffee pot,
I may be off my dot,
But I want a cup of coffee from a proper copper coffee pot.
Iron coffee pots and tin coffee pots,
Ain't no good to me,
If I can't get a proper cup of coffee,
From a proper copper coffee pot,
I 'll have a cup of tea.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: MMario
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 09:43 AM

DeCaf is an abonination. If the Creator had wanted us to drink coffee without caffiene she would have created coffee without caffiene. *grin*

I'd rather have *shudder* instant coffee with then brewed coffee without the caffiene. And yes, I can tell the difference.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Les from Hull
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 09:50 AM

Coffee Decree Number Two - all coffee will be made fresh. Anyone serving coffee that was made more than ten minutes ago will be sentenced to drink it themselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Metchosin
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 01:05 PM

Les in Hull, agreed! but on the other hand, spirits should never be allowed to corrupt the precious brew, unless one is limited, by circumstance, to a single drinking vessel and time is of the essence. Otherwise, they should only be savoured side by each.

In 1675, Charles II of England published an edict to close down British coffeehouses on the grounds that they were centers of political agitation, his royal proclamation stating that they were the resort of disaffected persons "who devised and spread abroad divers false, malicious and scandalous reports, to the defamation of His majesty's government, and to the disturbance of the peace and quiet of the nation." Public outcry forced the King to refute his position eleven days later.

I am pleased to note by your posts that Britain did not go on to become entirely a nation of emasculated tea sipping grannies.*BG*


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 01:24 PM

Dennis Leary's rant about the tongue studded idiot and the Maple Nut Crunch coffee is one of the best comments on North American Culture ever!

;-)

"Coffee flavoured coffee! Why is that so hard to understand?!?!?!"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 02:40 PM

I am not so sure I want Les as Dictator of Earth -- I like to reheat a cup of very strong leftover Starbuck's French Roast in the orning so I can drink coffee while I am waiting for my first REAL cup made fresh!!

Let's face it -- there is nothing in the world as fine as a specially fine cup o' Joe and a really good cigarillo in the sunlight. Preferably on the fantail of a fine-lined seagoing lady, with a nip o' Hennessy fivestar by the side, and a kind breeze following...

A.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: MMario
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 02:52 PM

Les - I'm satisfied if I can get coffee that was brewed less then 48 hours ago. I learned to drink coffee with a brew that simmered (yes, simmered on a hot stove) literally for days on end.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Naemanson
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 03:03 PM

Gourmet breakfast - Cup of instant coffee and peanut butter on toast.

It don't get no better!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: MMario
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 03:09 PM

Isn't that a little gritty?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 03:13 PM

Instant coffee is just as bad as decaf!!!

blech!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Metchosin
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 03:13 PM

Don't know Clinton, but another hazard is the local coffee grinding machine in the grocery store, in which some airhead has previously deposited their insipid flavoured beans. Best to run a few sacrificial beans through and dicard them, before processessing your own. A contaminated machine can ruin a whole pound of "coffee flavoured coffee", not just one cup.

We always grind our own now and the only snag we have run into is during power outages when our only functional grinder is out of commission. You just can't quite get the proper fine grind needed for an exquisite cup, with a framing hammer and a ziplock. Guess I should try to get the old PeDe hand grinder mounted and working again lest we be caught again.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: GUEST,artbrooks@work
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 03:51 PM

Metchosin: does your post against mixing spirits and coffee mean that Irish coffee would be banned? There's such a thing as taking purity too far!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 03:58 PM

Metcher... yes... yer right about the grinder in the grocery store... that's why I grind my beans at home... and I'd mortar & pestle them if I had to...

But if the powers out, you making coffee on the air tight?

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Mark Clark
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 04:13 PM

I was once given a coffee cup decorated with the wisdom of Dr. Science (real name Dan Coffey) of Duck's Breath Mystery Theatre and NPR fame—"He knows more than you do." On one side are Dr. Science's rules of coffee:

  1. You can never drink too much coffee.
  2. Coffee can never be too strong.
  3. Coffee doesn't make you nervous, your own inadequacies do that. Coffee merely increases your awareness of your own inadequacies.

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Metchosin
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 05:17 PM

No air tight Clinton, our technology is a little dated in our household, we have a Franklin with a swing out grill on which to plunk my old blackened percolator. If I'm in rush I use a little propane stove for the kettle with a Melita or the plunge pot.

Art, I would never be such a purist with my alcohol, that I would be adverse to flavouring it with a little coffee, on occasion. I's flavouring my coffee with alcohol I object to. There's a difference.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 07:04 PM

Instant coffee is a quick fix, with no hassles. If I'm going to the trouble of making something more worth drinking, I'd sooner brew up a pot of tea meself.

Matte from Argentina and so forth isn't a bad drink either.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Gareth
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 07:12 PM

That might explain a lot McGrath

Is there still Bromide in Tea.

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Jul 01 - 07:33 PM

Whatever turns you on. Or off. Coffee would cover the taste a bit better I'd imagine.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Metchosin
Date: 26 Jul 01 - 01:43 AM

Tea is a beverage, while coffee is a sacrament for those who rail against the dying of the light.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Les from Hull
Date: 26 Jul 01 - 05:44 AM

I can't see that instant coffee is any quicker to make than coffee, if your coffee is already ground (kept airtight in the fridge of course). There's more clearing up to do, filter, cafetiere etc, but no more time in preparation. And that assumes you have an instant kettle that boils water in less than five seconds.

Fresh brewed coffee is about aromatics, as is fresh roast and fresh ground. I'll forgive anyone with no sense of smell but that's all.

Coffee and alcohol - separate where possible (I forgive my partner Maggie's coffee and Bailey's), but Irish Coffee is one of the many gifts to the world from that great nation, bless 'em.

And if you non-British think that drinking tea is somehow inferior, then you're doing it wrong:-)

Les


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Metchosin
Date: 26 Jul 01 - 10:58 AM

But Les, you forget, coffee is the drink of insurrectionists! As a result one must rattle the cages of tea drinkers on occasion to keep the faith.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Jul 01 - 01:22 PM

A bit of synergy perhaps? A week or so ago I finished some research on the history of coffee and coffeehouses so I could stick some gratuitous background information into the Magnum Opus I'm writing -- a personal retrospective on the folk music scene in the Seattle area and environs during the Fifties and Sixties. With the data assembled, I cobbled this together to introduce a section I had previously written on the first coffeehouses in Seattle. Then I discovered this thread. I thought I'd toss it in and hope you enjoy it. It's kinda long for a post and it still needs to be tidied up a bit, so please forgive me.

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As early as Homer, there were stories of a black and bitter brew that had the power to endow those who drank it with increased alertness, but it was not until much later that the details of the discovery of coffee, comes into sharper focus.

One of the many legends that surround the discovery of this universal solvent of intellectuality and sociability, holds that sometime in the 9th century, an Arab goat-herd named Kaldi noticed that his goats became particularly alert, frisky, and playful after eating the red berries that grew on certain leafy bushes. Kaldi tried a handful of the berries, and soon found himself experiencing a refreshing lift of spirits and a pleasant sense of heightened awareness. He eagerly recommended the berries to his fellow tribesmen, who subsequently agreed that Kaldi's discovery had indeed been a worthy one.

News of these wonderful berries spread quickly. Local monks heard of them, tried them, and noticed that the berries had the salutary effect of producing more alertness and less dozing off during prayer. They dried the berries so they could be transported to other monasteries. There, the berries were reconstituted in water. The monks ate the berries and then drank the liquid.

Coffee berries soon made their way from Ethiopia to the Arabian peninsula where they were first cultivated in what today is the country of Yemen. Coffee then traveled north to Turkey. The Turks were the first to roasted the beans. Then they crushed them and boiled them in water. The result was pretty stout stuff, hardly what we today would call gourmet coffee, but it was well on its way. They sometimes added spices to the brew, such as anise, cloves, cinnamon, and cardamom.

Venetian traders carried coffee to the European continent sometime in the 16th century. Once in Europe, enthusiastic imbibers regarded this new beverage as the Elixir of Life and the Invigorator of Thought.

But, as frequently happens when humankind discovers something pleasurable, there emerged those people whose lips are stiff and whose faces are grim. These unhappy souls declared coffee to be "the beverage of infidels" and "the Drink of the Devil." Some members of the Catholic Church called for Pope Clement VIII to ban it. Consider their dismay when the Pontiff, wide awake and alert because he was already a coffee drinker, blessed it and declared it a truly Christian beverage.

The first coffeehouse in Britain, called "The Angel," opened in 1652, not in London, but in Oxford. This is, perhaps, not surprising. After all, Oxford had been a college town since the 12th century. Soon thereafter, coffeehouses began flourishing in London. They swiftly became gathering spots for artists, poets, and philosophers, along with their disciples and groupies. Since coffee at these establishments cost a penny a cup, coffeehouses became known as "penny universities." James Boswell and Samuel Johnson were two well-known coffeehouse habitués.

King Charles II considered coffeehouses to be hotbeds of discontent and a breeding ground for revolt, so in 1700 he banned them. This act nearly caused a revolt. The turmoil was so great that eleven days later he rescinded the ban.

In 1732, Johann Sebastian Bach composed his "Coffee Cantata." The work is an ode to coffee. At the same time, it takes a poke at a movement extant in Germany at the time that sought to forbid women to drink coffee because some people thought it made women sterile.

In the late sixteen-hundreds coffeehouses made their way to the New World: to New York, Boston, and Philadelphia, where they prospered just as they had in England. They were also patronized by musicians, artists, poets and other suspicious and undesirable characters. Such as Tom Paine and Ben Franklin. In fact, when the United States were still "The Colonies," the Continental Congress, in protest against the excessive tax the British levied on tea, declared coffee to be the national drink.

So when coffeehouses sprang up like mushrooms in the dank undergrowth of the 1950s, they were nothing really new; they were just another phase of a centuries-old tradition. This renaissance spread through the previous sites: New York, Boston, and Philadelphia; then it vaulted across the continent to California, particularly to San Francisco, Berkeley, and Los Angeles.

Coffeehouses tended to pop up near college campuses. Many of them became hangouts for students, mostly fledgling artists, writers, poets, and musicians. And hordes of chess players. Occasionally someone with a guitar might be quietly strumming away in a corner. Some places discouraged this sort of thing, but many did not. Many coffeehouses had a small stage, and on certain afternoons or evenings, a jazz combo might be trying out a few things. Or a string quartet, composed of student musicians with dreams of Carnegie Hall would hone their performing skills before a live audience by giving an informal recital. Or there might be a poetry reading. Or poetry and jazz. Some places had a more-or-less resident folksinger. Folksingers were not all that common then, but their numbers were increasing. Most people had heard of Burl Ives and some had heard of Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie. But the members of the Kingston Trio were probably still in high school and hadn't even met yet.

This was a time when Seattle seemed to be about ten years behind San Francisco in most things cultural. As the fin du decade of the 1950s approached, Seattle was still devoid of coffeehouses. Mention coffeehouses to most people and it conjured up images of lunch counters or Mannings' cafeteria. They were not yet aware that a coffeehouse and a coffee shop were two very different things.

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Then I go on to describe the first coffeehouse to open in Seattle: the Café Encore, on upper University Way in 1958.

If I spent less time piddling around with little digressions like researching the history of coffee and coffeehouses and more time writing about the folk scene in Seattle, I'd get the bloody thing finished a lot sooner -- but I'm on a nostalgia trip, I learn a lot this way, and I'm enjoying it.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Jul 01 - 02:32 PM

But Les, you forget, coffee is the drink of insurrectionists!

There wasn't much coffee in the GPO in 1916, I suspect.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Jul 01 - 05:53 PM

Nice, Don!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: DancingMom
Date: 26 Jul 01 - 08:47 PM

Very interesting, Don! Thanks. Sharon


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 09:11 AM

Sad News:

I have heard that genetic work is being done on a decaffinated coffee bean.

Robin


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: GUEST,feather
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 09:18 AM

On hearing about decaffeinated coffee, a colleague shrieked in horror "next they'll be taking the coke out of coca-cola".... - oops they already did.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Mark Ross
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 12:44 PM

Big Bill Haywood used to order his coffee, "black as hell, sweet as love, hot as the fires of revolution." Carl Sandburg would request "a little juice of the java bean."
The reason the coffehouses were hot beds of revolution was that it was a more democratic arrangement, wherein anyone could sit down next to you no matter what their social class. As long as they had the money to purchase a cup.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 01:03 PM

So called "Instant Coffee" is actually the remnant stock of a failed Syrius Cybernetics Corporation Genuine People Pleasing Personality Drink Approximator. The droid/machine was one of the first (and subsequently last) projects wherein the engineers of Syrius Cybernetics Corporation enlisted the aid of the worlds first (and subsequently last) SuperCybernetic brains (also known as Marvin). The machine was programmed from a download of the operating system of the SuperCybernetics brain. Upon boot-up the machine emitted a high pitched whine which rapidly fell to what one of the engineers described as a "groan of anguish". The droid/machine suffered a short circuit caused by the total contents of it's boiler being flushed through every circuit board within the droid/machine. The engineers were not able to ascertain the cause of this (although one source, Marvin, described it as "suicide") and due to numerous lawsuits for other product malfunctions, gave it up as a lark. The corporation was therefore stuck with a huge stock of "not so simulated, coffee appearing powder product". A certain Hitchhiker from the Betelgeuse region bought it for a song and shipped it via a Vogon Survey Vessel to the planet "Earth" (HHGttG entry - Mostly harmless)where he was sure that the dominant species, descendants of primates, would consume it, gag, and then from reflex stupidity, poor another cup.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: GUEST,Jim Dixon
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 01:55 PM

I'll bet the New Yorker never printed the word "expresso."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 05:56 PM

Good work Don! BTW, did you know that my first cup of coffee was a shot of espresso at 'Allegro' in 1978? IMHO, still the best anywhere...

And Imanuel Kant's immortal saying..."And thankfully, there is no drinking of coffee in heaven... and consequently, no waiting for it"

... I would get a cup in the evening, and save it till 1:00 in the morning and then take all my psychadelic electrical music gear (Roland guitar synth, volume pedal, 'big muff' distortion box, Ibinez stereo chorus, and my Fender 'deluxe reverb') to the UW parking garage and play full volume... seems every cup I've had since those days comes with the same seven second multidementional reverberation!

ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hazards of Coffee - quote I like
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 05:58 PM

cartoon from The New Yorker:

Two bums sitting on a park bench..one says sadly, "I was on the board of directors, had two houses, drove a Mercedes, vacationed in Paris....then I switched to de-caf."

Little card I have, with drawing of panicked face.."If coffee didn't exist, someone would have to invent it for me VERY quickly"


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