BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Sep 10 - 02:15 AM

Bobert: "But I do give the Dems alot of credit for the health care reform bill they got thru... Yeah, it's not the greatest bill and will need tweekin' but it's the first major piece of legislation that will help our country compete with other countires that spend half on health care as we do... Yeah, the Dems get credit for doing that..."

Credit??..You might consider 'Blame'. For all the bitching people have done on the war in Iraq, for the financial mess they say it was, because of the cost, (Notice, when they bitch about that, its not for the 'moral' reason of the war), this 'health(?)care' bill will dwarf the cost of the war! By 2020, the cost of our debt to the Federal Reserve(a private corporation), will be 95% of our entire GNP.,,that is BEFORE we pay one cent toward the deficit or budget...just on the interest ALONE!!...We're fucked!...

Oh, and did you notice the new shenanigans they're pulling for Social 'Security'...New 'fix its', to rip us off blind..BIG TIME. You can find the details online somewhere,..it just came out..I just about fell over when I heard it..it incorporates devaluing the dollar, and taxing the benefits. Its another 'social program run a muck!

Personally, I think, that unless the government can do its fundamental job, of functioning, and serving it's purpose, as designated in the Constitution, they should just stay out of institutionalizing anymore shit, that intrudes into people's lives!! This was once known for being a 'FREE' country...quit encroaching our freedoms with your bullshit, phony programs!...designed to limit, tremendously our freedoms....and fuck your 'entitlements'!..Do your REAL job!...and bug out from your 'social engineering'. WE, the people, are NOT the ones declaring make-believe wars, and screwing other nations over. When is enough, enough?? You run out of foreign enemies, now you want to target us??..for no REAL reason, except you don't know anything else but expanding?..making up new shit, to expand with??...and passing the cost onto us, who can't afford anymore of your crooked, lying excuses??

Jeez...When will they ever get it?
If the want to expand, and flex their muscle, why don't they just enforce the LAWS limiting monopolies? Because they didn't, the corporations have gotten bigger, and more powerful that our government, and now we just 'rent' them our military!..This is Bullshit, pure and simple....but we love it that way, everyday..and we hope that the 'bad times' are here to stay...fa-la-la-la la, la la la-la lah!'

GfS

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 08:07 PM

The "working class thing is a little mouldy"... Yeah, it is but guess what, Q... This ol' hillbilly gonna keep preachin' until it comes back around and is popular again...

I half agree with Little GfinS Hawk in that the two parties are way too dependent on corporate money... That is a sad reality... It costs the average Senator $8000 a day to stay in office... That is seriously messed up... But I do give the Dems alot of credit for the health care reform bill they got thru... Yeah, it's not the greatest bill and will need tweekin' but it's the first major piece of legislation that will help our country compete with other countires that spend half on health care as we do... Yeah, the Dems get credit for doing that...

Okay, they'll pay fir it at the polls... That's is the sad part about our political system... Folks step up occasionally and do something for the "mouldy working class", which BTW has not seen any real (after index) change in their income for 3 decades while Boss Hog has never had it so good, and then get punished for doing so??? That is waht is so terribly fucked up about our politcal system...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 05:43 PM

Hmmm...yes. It's inevitable that in a system where big business provides jobs to many, many people, those same people would naturally feel that their survival depends on big business...just like an English sailor's survival in the 1700's depended on the British Navy (despite often brutal treatment and low pay), well, that sailor would hope the Navy went on, right?

I don't feel that way, however. I am getting no job or pension from Big Business, so no conflict of interest here, Q. But I do understand the position of people who feel that way.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 04:39 PM

Of course most of us don't mind business ('the corporate elite') running things since they pay our salaries and pensions.
This working class stuff of Bobert's is a little mouldy.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 04:33 PM

Oh, the Republicunts will speak of such high moral integrity, and getting the 'cuntry', right back on track..till they get elected, and then continue the SAME crappy course that the Democraps were doing, when they got voted in..mostly as an anti-Bush backlash!
Nobody is, or can vote FOR anything..its ALWAYS the 'lesser of the two evils'.......which of course, is still an evil!......then like the moron robots we're programmed to be, we'll all point fingers, find fault, blame each other, and the party, or opposite party, that has nothing to do with ANYTHING!
THEY WANT YOU OFF COURSE!....and so blindly, and willingly, we oblige them...right Bobert??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 04:25 PM

And, yes, the 2 teams ARE different from one another. ;-) Just thought I'd better mention that before some dipstick here says that I'm saying there's no difference between them. They HAVE to be different. How the hell else could you effectively divide and conquer the public by dividing them up into 2 sets of rabid fans unless they could plainly see that the two teams are different?

The problem is, they play the same basic game once elected...and it's not in the general public's interest.

You know, to anyone outside the USA here's what the Democrats look like, once they're in office: Republican Lite. Different label. Different taste. More bubbly. Less bitter. But it's still rotgut either way and it'll give you such a hangover! On the other hand, whaddya do when the local store stocks only those 2 brands?

Me, I just drink water instead. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 04:08 PM

The congressmen are mostly controlled by those same people, Q, meaning their major sources of funding, the corporate elite. That's done through providing campaign funds and through constant lobbying once the congressmen are in office. Money talks. Congress obeys. Congress is split into 2 "teams", just like 2 football teams, and they naturally play against one another whenever the game is on, because they both want to win, but the League owns BOTH teams, and the League is a consortium of big corporations and banks. The League doesn't particularly care which team wins the game as long as the public "buys tickets" (pays their taxes and continues believing in the bipartisan game).

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 04:03 PM

By the way, that's why I keep telling Chongo that he's crazy to want to be president. ;-) There are only a few people who hate Chongo now. Imagine what he'd face after being elected for a year or two! He has no idea. He thinks it would be "fun"!

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 04:00 PM

Little Hawk, it don't matter a whit who you work for. Unless the peepul happen to elect a Congress with a veto-proof majority that endorses your views, you are just whistling in the wind.
Unlikely to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 03:46 PM

Ah, well...you see, the KEY to becoming unpopular in fairly short order is simply to get elected! ;-) Yessiree. Because once you have been elected it usually becomes fairly plain to the public within a year or two that you have let them down very badly, and it's inevitable you would have, because you don't really work for the public!!!

No. You work for the rich elite who funded the last election (on both sides, of course) and who determine what you will do once you're in power, all through the power of their money. If their policies wreck the economy for most ordinary people, they will have you bail out their primary business entities and the game will go on.

So if you want to become really, really unpopular...despised and even hated...here is how to do it: Run for high office as either a Democrat or a Republican. Get elected on a surge of new hope and popularity. Then start serving your rich pals who paid for that expensive campaign by doing what they require of you. Go fight a couple of foreign wars and find new ways to bleed away the public's money so that almost everyone soon ends up worse off than ever. In no time they'll really hate you. ;-) It will then be time for someone very much like you (inwardly, but not outwardly, that is) to step forward on behalf of the other party and stick his neck in the same declining popularity noose yours was just in while you go off quietly to write your memoirs and speak at expensive public functions for a hefty fee. ;-)

Who could resist that? Hell, it's worth being hated and despised a little, isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 02:59 PM

Cutting back to the subject, some commentators on CNN are speaking of the Republican tsunami that will overwhelm Democrats in the next elections.
yes siree bobtail!

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 02:38 PM

More digression-
Twenty-two states have Right-to-Work laws.
Payment of union dues not required in these states. A good thing too, as unions tell workers who to vote for and make big donations to politicians. A 'union shop' is permitted, but the union can't tell an employer to fire or discipline a worker.

In Canada, national unions are largely confined to those that are extra-provincial in character (railroads, etc.); others are governed by provincial laws.
Some, such as the Ontario Teachers Union, are large in an economic role, owning $97 billions in real estate and businesses, some overseas(gambling in UK, communications including satellite, over 35 percent non-Canadian in all).
It holds over $2.9 billion in OGX petroleo, $700 milion in Deutsche Telekom, $1 billion in Transurban (toll roads, etc.).
It offers class B shares to investors. In 2009, the Fund gave 13 percent return to investors.
Two of the Ontario Teachers holdings include over $250 million in Transocean (driller of the BP blowout well) and $200 million in JP Morgan Chase.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 01:45 PM

BTW, GfinS, seein' that Gray is also a democrat it's no wonder that a dem would be behind in the polls...

Gotta agree with you on ther DC Teachers Union... It is an example of what can go wrong with unions but shouldn't be viewed as an argument for no unions... The benefits of unions have historically outweighed the negatives by far...

When union memebership was up at 33% back in the 50s and 60s the unemployment rate stayed at 4% year in and year out... Now that union emembers make up only 12% of the labor force the unemployment is double that... Worse than that wages for the working class have been stagnant for the last 30 years in the US while both unemployment and wages have done quite nicely in other industrialized nations even thru recessions...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 12:21 PM

I was going to point something out, about the 'Teacher's Union' but I'll hold off,...wait, I'll do just one, little thing.....

Bobert: "Word on the street is that the DC's teacher's union is a large part of why the Mayor, Adrian Fenty, is so far behind in the polls..."

Though that is true, anyone notice the concern here, is that a Democrap is behind in the polls, from being re-elected, more that the children are all about as educated as a box of rocks!??...but the benefits and political clout of the Union, just gets more....at the expense of hiring QUALIFIED, teachers, and base their pay on performance, rather than tenure!...oh, and keeping up to date, on paying their DUES!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Sep 10 - 10:18 PM

For your consideration...

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Sep 10 - 09:56 PM

I donno, Strings... Word on the street is that the DC's teacher's union is a large part of why the Mayor, Adrian Fenty, is so far behind in the polls...

I donno... Yeah, I still support unions in general... More on the labor/management relations side... Too bad that America hasn't been more unionized 'cause if it had been then there wouldn't have been such a drastic shifting of wealth from the working class to the "big boys" and then the "big boys" wouldn't be crying 'casue the working class ain't got any money left to buy their crap??? It's a vicious cycle that the rich folks have gotten themselves into and in doing so has left the average workin' stiff even worse off???

Really messed up... And I have no faith that there will even be unions in 20 years and then it will be Boss Hog on yer back 24/7...

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"... Not this time... New boss is the prick of all pricks...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Sep 10 - 08:24 PM

GfS, there are different unions. The teacher's union is one of the last hopes we have for a decent educational system in the US. There is not corruption but integrity there.

They're not all Jimmy Hoffa or gangster-controlled. Many have the genuine interest of working people such as the UMWA. The anti-union propaganda that has permeated the
likes of mainstream media is based on those who stand to benefit from the destruction of
unions, those who control broadcast and print media in the US.

Unions have always served important functions for working people and the proof is the rise of the middle class during the Administration of FDR. Reagan gutted that and the US is paying the cost by rising unemployment and CEO wages proportionately. Here is corruption at its worst.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Sep 10 - 09:05 AM

Yeah, I'm usually speechless at 2:16AM...

As fir a "musican's union"... Check out 14b of the Taft-Hartley Act, GfinS... I live in the South which means we have stenkin' "right to work" (what a dumb thing to call it) whioch means that we ain't got no stenkin' unions to speak of fir any profession... We certainly don't have no musican's unions...

But if we did, yeah, I'd prolly be a member if it meant that when you go to play a gig and it rains real hard and only 20 people show up that the guy who booked me can't get away with reniggin' on paying me what he agreed to pay me...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Sep 10 - 02:16 AM

Ran you all off, because you're speechless?..Can't cop to an answer??..Time to reconsider? and learn? then adjust!?!?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Sep 10 - 09:49 PM

Couldn't address the Union issue? That being said, sometimes the unions were good....now I, as most impartial observers would note, they are too corrupt to stand behind....ESPECIALLY the government employee unions.....but pretty much all of them, with minor exceptions, and before your shorts get twisted, and stuck, in a knot,..No takers on the Musician's Union, eh?

I just didn't want to put you in an embarrassing, hypocritical place.

Waving,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Sep 10 - 05:21 PM

No, I wouldn't agree, GfinS... It wasn't "buy-off" money, at all... It was responsible governance... It saved over a 100,000 jobs... It saved two companies that have provided employment to 100,000s of thousnads of peope over the years and best part about it??? The US taxpayers actually made a profit on the loans... That's amazing in itself...

But being an ol' Ford man (my dad was a factory rep) I'm glad that Ford was able to forgo having to borrow... Means they have been outthinkin' the competition of late... That's good 'causer them buying Junk-uar was a dismal decision on their part...

B~

p.s. Ask the folks in Spawzer's state of Ohio if saving GM was worth it... He'll tell you in spades... I mean, Ohio is GM country and GM and its suppliers are the largest private employers in the state...

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Sep 10 - 01:04 PM

Bobert: "Henry Ford had it right... We are seein' that now... The economists are saying "If only the public would spend their money then all would be well"...

Ford had it right, as well, NOT taking the government buy-off money!..Wouldn't you agree?

GfS

P.S. they also opposed getting involved with several wars!

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Sep 10 - 01:02 PM

Bobert: "What next??? GfinS invented the internet with Al Gore???"

No, Gore, the Democrapic politician is and was capable of inventing his own lies!...Like the rest of them.....such as:


Isn't it time for some truth and ethics, Democrats?

Bill Clinton lied about having sex with Monica Lewinsky.

Hilary Clinton misspoke about being fired on in Bosnia.

John Edwards lied about having an affair and denied having a "love child."

Blumenthal misspoke about his Vietnam service.

Charlie Rangel charged with ethics violations.

Maxine Waters charged with ethics violations.

Rod Blagojevich convicted of lying to the FBI.

Michael Bennet — "The nation has racked up $13 trillion in debt and has nothing to show for it." This is the same Michael Bennet who voted for all the big spending bills put forth by Obama, Pelosi and Reid.

...and that's just for starters.......OH, and the Republicunts have their list as well!!

Mouser: "The filthy rich of our day are doing their best to destroy the American middle class. It will bite them in the ass, eventually. In the meantime a lot of us will suffer. I mean suffer. A lot."

As long as there are 'overseas markets', the 'filthy rich' would throw the American middle class, under the bus, in a New York second. None the less, does anyone know why there is a need for Federal Employee Unions? Wasn't the government 'suppose' to be assuring equality, and fairness anyway??

There was a time, for the need for unions and collective bargaining, as still is to some degree, However, back then, they started with 'guilds', of craftsmen and journeymen, who knew their trade, and were proficient at their particular skills. Today, if you go for employment in a 'union shop' you don't have to know shit....just pay your dues...In the case of Federal Employee Unions, the amounts to a double tax. When the unions donated $52,000,000 to campaign funds, in the last election, there were certainly 'favors' to repay....wouldn't you at least admit, that that was $52,000,000 NOT going to the benefits of the union's rank and file??? ...but rather, using their pensions, medical etc etc for being a 'special interest?...and in fact, adds to the list of CORRUPTION, for the politicians, instead of representing the best interests, and well being of their constituents?

I'm sure some twisted rationalizations based on party politics, will skew that answer, too!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Sep 10 - 07:39 AM

Henry Ford had it right... We are seein' that now... The economists are saying "If only the public would spend their money then all would be well"...

Have the economists ever wondered if the public, in general, has any money to spend??? I mean, let's get real here... Lotta families having to take in and/or support relatives who are unemployed... This is not talked about in the news but lotta the money that the economists want Joe Public to spend ain't there to be spent...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Sep 10 - 12:15 AM

I fear that eventually it will lead to a second American revolution, although this time along the lines of the French or the Russian -- oodles of bloodshed of the upper crust. I hope I don't see it in my lifetime but I fear my children, or their children, will. But it certainly won't come while the sheeple can still be fooled into thinking that cutting taxes on the super-rich is in their own best interests.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Sep 10 - 12:10 AM

Who is going to buy their junk

That's the $64k question. Ford raised his workers' wages so they could buy his cars -- and it was a major building block of the American middle class. The filthy rich of our day are doing their best to destroy the American middle class. It will bite them in the ass, eventually. In the meantime a lot of us will suffer. I mean suffer. A lot.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 07:58 PM

Exactly, Strings... Absolute ruin and by the time the Repubs figure out thet too have bought into their grand-daddies hatred of FDR and government in general, they too will be askin' themselves, "WTF have we done here?"...

I mean, this hatred of the New Deal and government is so pervasive that I doubt that many people who are advocating it have a clues what things will/can look like on the other side...

That is the worrisome part about this... They know what they hate (or are supposed to hate) but they have not the slightest clue of what they *want* in it's place when their grandaddy's bluesprint turns out to be shit... I mean, lets get real here... These are 3rd generation FDR haters... They got hate down purdy good... Waht are they gonna do when they have gotten their way and ruined the country in the process??? Huh??? That's the real question here...

Who is going to buy their junk if they create a society of hoarders and introverts...

This blueprint is shit... It serves absolutlye no one in the long run... It just turns the US into some "Mad Max After the Thunder Dome"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 07:08 PM

GfS the musicians union is a guild union, not a worker's union. For years they have been under the watchful eye of people like Petrillo. (Closely aligned with the mob boss mentality).

The musician's union has done some things for it's workers, though. It has provided a living wage for symphonic musicians and some in class A night clubs. It doesn't find jobs for musicians but in a situation where a corporation tries to screw a musician, it often
goes to bat for them and helps them.

A musician in the South today is under Taft-Hartley which invalidates unions.

Unions were responsible for the rise of the Middle Class during FDR's time. The Wagner Act saved many a worker from poverty.

Reagan undermined the unions. Joblessness started under his watch. Then, you saw the rise of homelessness in America.


There are different kinds of unions but trade-unionism
is essential to American industry. That's right, what American industry? It's not here because trade unionism which built the industrial base in America has been weakened.
If industry leaders decided to flee to exploit workers in other countries, a strong union
could act as incentive against this by boycotts, publicity, and shutting down non-union
shops in the U.S. owned by foreign industrial or transnational corporations. They could promote higher tariff's on imports from exploiters like China. Unions are useful.

Not only would a Repub Admin gut unions, they would also gut public education. Jefferson would not be pleased. Privatized education has been shown not to be better
than public education in terms of results. Privatized education would make it less available to everyone unless you could afford it. Everyone else would be dumbed-down.

The war machine would totally take over. There's money in human bloodshed.
Cargill, Blackwater (Xe), Brown and Root, etc. to say nothing of the participation of
the "iron triangle" involving the Pentagon. Permanent war anyone?

I'll bet that crime waves go up. There will be more guns on the street.

The rise of survivalist home-grown militias will be free to practice Nazism or
other fanatic reactionary means of oppression.

In case of another Katrina, forget it. You see what happened last time?

Religious freedom will be attacked including the right not to believe.

You think there's a problem with reaction against Muslims now? Wait until
Beck, McConnell, Boener and others are in power.

Repub Admin spells Nightmare in America.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 06:34 PM

LOL, Eb.... And...

...ahhhhh, yes it does...

What next??? GfinS invented the internet with Al Gore???

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 11:10 AM

Oh, yes, the Santa Maria. Was slow, ran aground and was lost. Explains a lot, don't it.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 01:12 AM

Bobert: "Yo, GfinS... Were you on the Mayflower, too???"


Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 03:02 AM

No, I was on the Santa Maria!..wink!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 10:56 PM

Republicans will deliver an ultimatum to Iran.
In no uertain terms Iran will be told that we will not lift the most extreme sanctions ever levied against a soverign nation unil they relinquish ALL nuclear ambitions. They will be promised that once they do, we will lift the sanctions thus allowing them to have an economy as robust and wonderful as the United States of America.

Iran responds, "Are you kidding? Your economy is behind China, India, Germany and Vanatu! We prefer to stick with China, France and Russia. If you want to pursue this further go ahead, bring it on."

Republicans: "Oh yeah? Did you see what we did to Iraq? We have a green zone there now! "

Iran: "yes we came we saw we conquered. .... Iraq is a defacto Iran now"

Republicans: "Oh yeah? "

Iran: yep

Republicans: Liar! Were gonna double your sanctions and then were gonna tell Isreal on you.

Iran: "Isreal who?"

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 10:25 PM

Some of us do live in the United States of Amnesia.



If and when it happens

Despite the complete virtual amnesty that has been given the banks, Bond rating Companies, Mortgage Companies, Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld and most private war profiteering companies,
I forsee investigations and allegations of the Obama administration by Republicans that will make white water blow job Clinton investigations look like a parking ticket.

They have already publicly promised to do so.

On the chopping block will be reforms, regulations and staff, social justice organizations, Social Security, Medicare, teachers, Dept of Education and even public education itself by abolishing the last two years of public high school and replacing it with costly private schools. Yes that is a Republican proposal.

A possible hot border war with Mexico could erupt or even a nuclear explosion for which curiously no one will claim respondsibility.

On the certain favorite list will be permanent tax cuts down to near zero for the ludicrously wealthy. They will use that money to stimulate the economy in China, Malaysia, Vanatu and the American off shore corporate offices which are also tax free.


Once Government is decapitated and all regulations abolished they will be able to prove that private corporations like Walmart are more effective than FEMA, the National Guard and every other goverment dept. designed to help the homeless swarms of American peasants during natural disasters which will increase as a result of burgeoning climate changes.

Once malnutrition, unemployment and homelessness reaches 35%, labor will again be as cheap as it is in China and without a minimum wage people can go back to work for $20 a day and live in freedom work zones similar to army barracks. In the better freedom work zones, homes will be aged FEMA trailers.

All the foreclosed homes will be demolished or flipped by bank conglomerates and rented out as multi family faith homes. Speaking of Banks the last 3000 small banks (Nearly 2,000 have already been closed) will be closed leaving exactly 5 banks in the country.

Despite the Citizens United ruling allowing secret corporations to donate money with no limits to Republican candidates, more laws disallowing union money or internet money to go to Democratic candidates without first filling out dozens of forms which will serve like a mine field few will ever navigate without getting blown up.

Worst of all a pall will come over the nation for the fear of baseless annonymous accusations falling upon the necks of Democrats who once spoke out against republicans or Fox nes with no legal remedy or day in court. It will take the form of IRS penalties, sex abuse child abuse charges, property seizures, obscure fines, termination of services without cause etc.

The prison corporations will become more profitable as well as the free labor manufacturing factories behind their walls which will outpace private industries outside of the prison industrial complex.
Prisoners will strive to go to a Gucci or Lee Jeans prison rather than the Sylvania or Delco prison.

And finally the Republicans will find a war to win decisively as Reagan did . We will invade and reliberate Grenada to establish the largest golf course in the world connected by hotels so one could concievably golf from one end of the country to the other without ever leaving the course.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 06:09 PM

Yo, GfinS... Were you on the Mayflower, too???

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 05:43 PM

Bobert: "The Repubs have been pushing this PR crap going back to the 2008 campaign, GfinS..."

I was on before and during that!..I'm telling you, ONLY the party line Believers, think this is straight up...on both sides!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: mousethief
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 05:36 PM

We'll see in November, Dick.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 05:33 PM

Seems like an unnecessary question--we know what Repub administrations are like. Are memories that short?

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 04:52 PM

Perhaps I picked this thread up weeks ago subliminally but I have been planning to start this very thread with this same exact title.

Once I have read everything in detail I will respond.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 04:50 PM

The Repubs have been pushing this PR crap going back to the 2008 campaign, GfinS... This ain't a new PR ploy...

BTW, who was pulling the strings for the Dems to push so hard on health care reform??? I don't see any corporations that wanted it from the jump... Same with "cap and trade"... Who is going to benefit???

Can't buy your argument... Show me the benefactors other than the American people... Oh, sure... The legislation got fouled up and some companies will do well with the health care bill... But I doubt if you can point to any lobbiest firm that was representing a major corpoartion that was pushing for any kind of legislation of this magnitude...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:23 PM

Nonsense, Bobert! That was my position Lo-o-o-ng, before you came up with it being a 'Republican talking point'...as you can see, if you go back, on my posts. I think your rap is running out of steam...so, now I get an attack, of that sort?
I think...no,..KNOW, that recent history clearly shows, you, and everyone else, that somebody else is pulling the strings!...regardless of 'party affiliation'!...and, the 'talking points', are just pandering to the folks who blindly 'just believe' that either party, actually represents what they 'promote'. Do you actually think all this deception is just accidental???!!??

(Want me to cup my hands, and yell to you, the answer again?) Hint: It's the same answer.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:10 PM

So, back to the standing on the sidelines with that smug look on yer face, GfinS...

If you were truely on my side you'd hold yer nose and quit with the "both sides" Republican talkin' point... That is exactly what the Repubs want people to think because it gives them cover for some very bad behavior...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 12:36 PM

Bobert: "Like I have said over and over, GfinS, that you just don't care to listen to is:...."

GfS: "Like I have said over and over, Bobert,, that you just don't care to listen to is:....

It don't matter if its Democraps, or Republicunts, There are agendas going down, that has both of these facades, and control over them!.

It is SO EASY to blame the 'media', whether Fox ,or MSNBC, or any of them,..(which has been bullshit for a lo-o-o-ng time, now). As soon as you pick up your ax, YOU are the media! I would, and do, play to the hearts and minds of people! There are places that exist within ALL of us that is out of reach, of the BULLSHIT of politics, in ALL its forms!

Do your homework, and don't become a broken record, parroting talking points from either side....PEOPLE WILL LISTEN!!....IF YOU ARE REACHING THAT PART OF THEM!

Suggestion: Do your homework, musically....and care about what truths you relay, via the music!

GfS

P.S. I'm on your side!

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 12:20 PM

Like I have said over and over, GfinS, that you just don't care to listen to is:

1. I'm not defending the Dems history here... I dropped them after Carter and until the '08 election stayed the heck away from them...

2. I'm not saying that I have any faith that future Dems will lead us out of the darkness...

3. Given today' situation/mess, we don't need another dose of Republican voodoo economics...

4. That said, at least for this election and perhaps 2012 the Dems present US a better chance of not coming out of these times with the beast dead from starvation...

Purdy simple...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 11:54 AM

Bobert: "The problem, as I see it, is that with the Repubs being so dependent of the narrow minded following that they have brough along that, if in power, these Repubs wouldn't have the courage to styand up to these highly emotional gun totin' "true believers" so the Repubs wouldn't say to the Dems, "Let's sit down and see if we can work this out", much as the Dems tried over and over to do with the repubs..."

Bobert: ". Yeah, given that Bill Clinton was part of this 30 year assault on the New Deal it's awfully hard to hold one's nose and for for Dems... No, make that vote against Repubs..."

Ok, ok, enough of this nonsensical dribble,(or drivel, as you may prefer)

You think its Democrats, versus Republicans, in regards to the long term, right?

Let's go through a little history, as of recent, to check this out!

Yay, Obama brings the troops home, and ends the 'combat role'.....

...that Bush started(or continued), and 'helped out) with the surges...

.....To help end a war that we had no business in, in the first place...

.....that was 'justified' because Saddam Hussein, had weapons of mass destruction....

...that we KNEW about...because, WE HAD THE RECEIPTS,......

....because when Irag was at war with Iran, and when Carter was President, we sold them to Saddam.....who was Sunni, and the Sunnis and Shiites were at war, (Iraq's current regime is Shiite).....

....and Saddam was OUR boy(then), and the Iraqis kidnapped our guys at the embassy.....

.....While Former CIA head, BEFORE and while he was V.P.,H.W.Bush was 'helping the Contras in Central America, by trading weapons for coke.......

.....Which got found out by the Iraqis, who found the documents, at the embassy, so they tortured to death Buckley, head of CIA covert operations worldwide, under Carter, and Buckley spilled his beans...

...so we were blackmailed to deliver the 40 tractor towed missiles to Iraq, to be used against the Iran's Sunnis........

....and when Reagan assumed office, everyone thought that the hostages were released, because they feared his 'Bad Ass'....

....but it was under Carter the deal was struck....

....and the release was made to coincide, with the Ronnie's inauguration...

....Who helped negotiate a cease fire between the two.....

....So, Now H.W. Bush can invade Iran, (Desert Storm), and leave Saddam in power....

...and leaves it for W. Bush, to invade.....

..crush Saddam, and remove the Sunnis from power....THEREFORE......

......Accomplishing what Iraq was fighting them for......

...and Now is against Israel, and it's concern about Iraq having nukes....

....and violating U.N. policies.....

...that we allegedly are soft about reinforcing.....

....mind you, that the Shah of Iran (our boy,)rose to power, in 1941-79, under both party's hearty assistance, including weapons etc etc......

AND YOU THINK SOMETHING AIN'T ROTTEN IN DENMARK!!???!! AND THIS IS ABOUT PARTY POLITICS????????????????

What is this?..Let's be small week???

Warmly,

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 08:57 AM

And your choice, GfinS??? I mean, Palsis-Walsie...

Yeah, in a perfect world there would be a "C"... Yeah, given that Bill Clinton was part of this 30 year assault on the New Deal it's awfully hard to hold one's nose and for for Dems... No, make that vote against Repubs... But doing nuthin' but bash the poor folks who are willing to hold their nose and work to stop the Repubs from drivin' those last few nails in the New Deal coffin ain't exactly the most responsible thing to do either... One more tax reduction, after almost 30 years of our tax system becoming more and more regressive, for the wealthy is a formula for disaster...

Lotta folks want to complicate Economics 101 and what you get is exactly what we have... Econ ain't that tough... I mean, even the poorest of families get it... You got bills that you can't pay then you try to earn "mo money"... Purdy simple...

(Ain't that simple, Boberdz... You could jus' quit spending...)

Ahhhhhhh... There you have it... What to cut??? Those nasty "earmarks"... Well, okay... But they represent less than 1% of the federal budget... Hmmmmmm??? What to cut, part 2... The Defense budget??? A Repub administration would consider that to be the 3rd rail... What's left... Oh, them communist programs of FDRs...

The problem, as I see it, is that with the Repubs being so dependent of the narrow minded following that they have brough along that, if in power, these Repubs wouldn't have the courage to styand up to these highly emotional gun totin' "true believers" so the Repubs wouldn't say to the Dems, "Let's sit down and see if we can work this out", much as the Dems tried over and over to do with the repubs...

No, the Repubs would just get out their axes and the results??? As I talked about in an earlier post, they ain't gonna be purdy... Think an American version of Haiti here...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 12:36 AM

Bobert: "Ya' see, ya' can't wrap everything up neatly in academia or labels..."

Bobert: "...Was JFK a liberal...."

Bobert: "Voodoo economics" has caught up with US and the Repubs....."

Bobert: "...LH, think it's okay to sit back and watch the potential disaster and if it happens...."


Well, to answer the last comment, first: "Sitting back??" NO, I'm trying to communicate with someone who is "neatly in academia, and labels", sometimes MIS-labeling, the actual CAUSE of the "disaster", though accurately felt, as to the bummer!

The evolution of this mess was a direct hit, on us, by those, corrupting, and working through BOTH parties!

What??..I got to shake and slap you, and yell "WAKE UP!!"

ARE either of them bringing about anything, but more of the bummer???



       (Cupping hands around the mouth, taking a large breath)


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


TAKE A LOOK!

Your Palsie-Walsie,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 10:31 PM

Doesn't much matter what JFK was labeled as... You go into just about any rural home from slim-pickin's backgrounds in the South, where poverty is an equal opportunity curse and the one thing you'll notice on the wall, black and white, is a framed picture of JFK...

Ya' see, ya' can't wrap everything up neatly in academia or labels...

I been in one shitload of these folks houses over the years and I have seen it in their faces and their stories and what JFK meant to that generation was nothin' more than "hope"...

Was JFK a liberal by today's standards??? Nah... But...

...today??? We face a real mess...

"Voodoo economics" has caught up with US and the Repubs want another round of it??? Kinda like the guy who just got shot at Mickey's Blues Shack telling the doctor to sew him up 'cause he's going back for more???

I mean, there is some seriously messed up thinkin' here, GfinS, and seems like you and yer bud, LH, think it's okay to sit back and watch the potential disaster and if it happens and it is the Rapture or whatever the right wants, then you and LH gonna just sit back in yer armchairs and say "Far fuckin' out"???

Huh???

A or B... No C...

I mean, ya'll can just go playin' that song on the for-deck as the Titanic goes down...

Wish there were any other options that have any ties to reality...

Kinda too late for that...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 10:06 PM

Bobert: ". Kinda like the 60's when we just sat back and watched the right wing assasin our movement???"

JFK was considered a conservative...and far more so, by today's standards. He also cut taxes to stimulate the economy....totally the opposite of the Demorapic agenda. Go figure.....or at least Go think!

GfS

P.S. At present, its just a big 'free for all'. Both sides are shot to shit!

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 06:47 PM

The reason the the US has lost it's economic base is because the corportists found it more profitable to use foriegn "scab" labor and has thus all but killed the unions here in the US... And their lobbiests manipulated the tax codes to allow foriegn countries to build infastructure and plants that are not considedered assests of theose corporation and therefire not taxable??? WTF is that about... China can spend $500M on a plant in China for a IS corporation, hand it over to the corpoartion and it is not a taxable asset??? That is insane... How can American workers compete against that... There is no level playing filed at all...

That should answer GfinS's question about how amny muscians are currently union members... If the country has strong unions then they work for the working class... If they don't have strong unions then Boss Hog sleeps well at night...

Talent, Ake??? At what??? BSing her way around the fact that her recriminations of the Democratic Party goinf back decades gives her the right to say that both parties are corrupt and therefore no reason to now, in the face of disaster, just sit back and watch it happen... Kinda like the 60's when we just sat back and watched the right wing assasin our movement???

Nah, Akr, ol' buddy... You need to study up on what the GfinSers of the world will bring with that arrogance to reality... Rereas what Strings said... Reread what I have said... We can't survive another Repub administration right now...

Like we used to say in thew 60s, "yer either part of the problem or yer part of the solution"... The GfinSers ain't part of the solution...

Nuff said... (fir now)...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 06:21 PM

Hi Sanity.....you've been makin' a lot of nice posts lately.

Always knew you had talent!.....:0)