BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 05:41 PM

Hi Akenaton!...
Ake: "Just as our manufacturing industries became unsustainable due to high labour and raw material costs, so our hugely expensive benefits, health care and public service systems will become unsustainable as the capitalists and their money head East.

The problem is in the economic system."

Perhaps all this focus(read: fuck us), on bullshit politics, which have been corrupted till its rotted through and through, has stifled innovation, and capital investments toward new energies, transportation, technologies. Both the rise of union crap and the exploitation of cheap labor in third world countries, because the unions have risen costs beyond its worth, through political relaxing of regulations, may play a part in it to.

Any system CAN work, it's the guys at the top, who are often handed control, rather than earned it, through legal, and/or morally ethical means, is the lightening rod of distrust!

Still waiting some 'pro-union Folkies' 'Bluegrassers' and Blues players on Mudcat to pop up.
Seems like they making BIG issues of somethings they don't even believe in, when it comes to joining one!!

But it's the principle, and I'm so cruel. (Now, Ebbie doesn't have to tell me).

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 05:21 PM

"The US has already lost its industrial base because of the activities of the GOP and Wall Street."

Sorry, but the US and UK have lost their indusrial bases through the evolution of capitalism.....as inevitably as night follows day capitalism will always find new and cheaper resources and people to exploit.

Just as our manufacturing industries became unsustainable due to high labour and raw material costs, so our hugely expensive benefits, healthcare and public service systems will become unsustainable as the capitalists and their money head East.

The problem is in the economic system.

The political parties should shoulder blame, but only in failing to inform the people of the true nature and inevitable evolution of capitalism.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 02:21 PM

Strinsiger: "If the GOP gets in, forget unions,....."

Besides, you missing the point, I'd like to inquire:.......Being as the 'PARTY LINE' is pro union...Let's see a show of hands, of how many musicians in here, belong to their local musicians union!!!??!!...and if so, just what have they done for you???

For what it's worth, and to 'prime the tip jar', I did once belong to one....as useless as it was!(about 35-40 years ago).


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 02:07 PM

It would be a total disaster for the US.

A Republican Administration would be authoritarian, verging on totalitarian, and a gutting of the most important Federal help implemented by FDR. It would mean (if it hasn't happened already as some argue) a takeover of the government by corporations which is a classic definition of fascism. It would mean continued monitoring and harassment of anyone critical of the Administration's policies (as seen exemplified by the Bush years) and the rise of the misuse of police force to enforce this monitoring and abolish peaceful protest.

The use of weaponry on the streets would not be curbed but encouraged by a misreading
of the Second Amendment and lobbyists for the NRA.

"Trickle-down" economics would result in deflation and division of economic classes of people (have-and-have-nots). Important government programs would be cut.

The US has already lost its industrial base because of the activities of the GOP and Wall Street. This would continue and the US would have (as it does now) its chief export,
arms and weapons.

Social services would be impotent. (Some argue that they already are).

If Dems get in, there might be a chance that some of the more level-headed minority ideas in Congress and the Senate could prevail even if that looks bleak.

If the GOP gets in, forget unions, minimum wage, social safety net, job growth, and expect more sabre-rattling.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 12:13 PM

Bobs: "So, back to GfinS's list of the bad thngs the Dems ***have*** done in the past... Yeah, they ***have*** and shame on them but...."

Bobert, I'm not laying the blame on the Democrats exclusively. Either you took it wrong, or you are misinterpreting what I believe I clearly said, and echoed by Little Hawk. This is NOT a SINGLE party effort or policy....This is the result of our country's system, being hijacked by the corruption, of absolutely crooked, and agenda driven climbers of power, who are working through BOTH parties, and deceiving the public, at large, as to their goals and methods...and exactly who they are, and WHAT they represent!! Here, you like small lists, check this out, and compare them to the problems now:

The Federal Reserve..and all their cronies, including Geitner, Reuben, Kissinger, Poulsen and Poulson, Gingrich just to name a few....JFK, was wanting to abolish the Fed, and signed a directive toward that, about 40 days before he was shot.

Defense..He Authorized, and set into commission the US Navy SEALS, as a result of the 'Bay of Pigs' fiasco.

He, personally NEVER signed a civil rights bill(surprise to many), however under he and Bobby, things were beginning to go that way!

Bobby went after Union corruption, and really pissed of the organized crime syndicates who were climbing up the power structure, and using the Unions as a vehicle.

Thirty days, before Dallas, signer a directive that we were NOT going to further any actions in Vietnam, and to withdraw.

In Gulf of Tonkin, was discovered MAJOR oil reserves, which conflicted with the oil companies, as to the 'interests' of 'freeing' southeast Asia.

The illegal drug markets were smaller then, and attitudes about the use of drugs were far less, than today, but organized crime, though divided, at that time, had the market....now look at them!

Borders were defined and defended.

The CIA were at the early stages, of meshing with the organized crime elements, as a result of Castro overtaking Cuba, and offered their 'help' in 1959, meeting with Meyer Lansky's guy, Santos Trafficante, and Vice President Richard Nixon, Fontainbleu Hotel, Miami Florida, in an effort to re-take Cuba, and because of the organized crime's 'business interests' in Cuba,(read prostitution and gambling resorts), to form a 'co-operative' group made of elements of the intelligence community, and the crime syndicate.(Boy,!! I could go on about that one!!..including the Cuban 'burglars' at the Watergate Hotel!)

Anything in that list jump out at ya'???

Now we are living in the aftermath, and blaming, perfectly well- meaning and well-intentioned brothers, and citizens, of hate, bigotry, radicalism, etc etc, for unknowingly believing, what they think is true, and in the best interests of their country...when in fact, the just had the wool pulled over their eyes.

Bobert, A great deal of the policies and issues that have arisen as of the recent years, are total bullshit. The average citizen, your neighbors, don't give a rat's ass about these issues, that really don't even affect them...other than the fact, that they get their noses rubbed in it..and now HAVE to have an opinion!!...about an 'issue' that never even touches them!!!

Meanwhile, the 'scavengers of power' pick through the rubble of what is left, that they can help themselves to, in the remnant of this once great, and compassionate country.

Does what I posted here sound 'Right wing", Left wing'? political party oriented??? Hell No!..Its just what we are left with.

Meanwhile, we can all help each other out as much as we can, person to person..............................till that becomes a threat, too...or unless they can figure a way to tax it, and put a license fee on it, and make it illegal, unless you're with a government agency that does it!

Fuck THEM!
Peace, to you!

GfS









PEACE!

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 08:51 AM

I have absolutely no problem with GfinS's historical perspective here... Unfortunatly, most of us were witness to alot of it... That's why I jumped outta the Democratic Party after JC and over the years worked and voted for 3rd parties, mostly the Green Party...

That is not at issue here...

What is at issue is just how close the Repubs came to destroying/bankrupting the federal government under Bush... The scarey part is that Bush followed the exact path that Ronnie Reagan had blazed and so the Repubs fully understand how to "strave the beast" and bring it to it's knees...

So if we are talkig here about "What Would a Repub Admin be Like? then we really don't have to look far at what the Repubs goals are and first and formost it's "entitlements"...

Now that sounds like a decent enough goal until we strip of the sugarcaot and find that means federal money for wastefull (in their thinking) things such as:

*federal aid to eductaion

*Social Security

*Medicare

*Medicaid

This isn't over-reaching or scare tactics on my part because they have said as mcuh... Heck, George Bush made a major push toward privatizing Social Security...

So, back to GfinS's list of the bad thngs the Dems ***have*** done in the past... Yeah, they ***have*** and shame on them but...

...right now, under these current circumstances and given the real threat from the extreme right, this ol' Green Party activist is more than willing to support the Dems who have shown thru their courage in passing the ***imperfcet*** health care reform bill that they may eb the last wall of defense from the Repubs finishing Bush's "starving of the beast"...

What would a Repub administion look like???

Ever see the movie "Blade Runner" or "Mad Max, After the Thunderdome"???

I mean, here's the Repubs ideal world:

*30% poverty rates for everyone ***but them***...

*vast homelessness and/or 15 people living in one 3 bedroom house for everyone ***but them***...

*20% unemployement for everyone ***but them***...

*10 year reduction in life expectancy for everyone ***but them***...

Those are just starters but they are purdy much been the ideal America of the old school Repubs who have passed down their hatred of FDR and the New Deal and I'm not sure that the current generation quite gets the ramifications of the goal that ***daddy and grand-daddy*** have passed down to them but those are the goals, none the less...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 11:11 PM

Thanks Mark, for the clarification...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 11:08 PM

...Oh, and I forgot, all the coke and drugs form Mexico....BESIDES the 'other industries' paying them off to fuck over our country, while they rifle the treasury, and get the population strung out!...and import CRAP from China and third world countries...for the sake of profit, and pay-offs....I know!..Let's raise some more taxes..that'll do it...we'll even lie about that, and the public will swallow it, till it comes 'PAY TIME'!!!..Then We'll get them to argue about it, and whose 'fault' it was and take their eyes off the real criminals!!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: MarkS
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 11:06 PM

GfS

Found it. The Vincennes was the ship which shot down the Iranian airliner in July of 88, which later led to the Lockerbie airliner bombing.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 11:00 PM

Mark, you might be correct, on those, but I think it was the Vincennes in the Gulf of Tonkin.....but it's really a non-issue, if you remember the incident, that's what matters. Both parties supported the 'effort'....as the 'China White' flowed into our country, and Coke from Central America, and smack from Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

I don't trust these assholes, any of them, as far as I can throw my piano!!,,,((My guitars are lighter!)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: MarkS
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:46 PM

GfS

"the attack on the USS Vincennes'(that formally brought us into the Vietnam mess"

I think the ships were the Maddox and Turner Joy, but your point is nevertheless valid.

LBJ was later quoted (sorry,, I do not remember the source) that "For all I knew the navy was shooting at whales out there."

Mark

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:34 PM

Hmm...I guess, the fact that factions of both parties, who brought you such wonderful fairy tales as "The Warren Report", the "911 Report", the attack on the USS Vincennes'(that formally brought us into the Vietnam mess), the reasoning to attack Iraq, when most of the terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, Katrina and BP oil spill responses, Kent State, Iran-Contra, Panama, CIA involvement in the drug trade, the border mess, (need I go on?) ALL had the support of BOTH parties, depending on who wanted what! Case in point: Arlen Sphincter,(D-R-D-R?) of Pa. years ago, is seen holding up the bullet, that was found on JFK's gurney, from Parkland Memorial Hospital, thus 'PROVING' the 'single bullet' theory. I think most of you may remember the photo. So the bullet, goes through JFK's head, through Connolly's car seat, into Gov. Connolly....and falls out of JFK's head, on the gurney, at the hospital!?!?..thus proving JFK, was shot with a single bullet, and Sphincter is working for who?????...all is quieted, and you can all go back to sleep! Now, it's the Mosque issue, in New York...INSTEAD of how in the fuck are we going to pay off the debt, run up by Bush/Obama??????? Who has a plan, and what is it???....and about the unemployment?....NO, let's all get emotionally heated, in your respected corners, and debate the mosque!!!...And these silly fucks are representing YOU??????????

Oh, the same Arlen Sphincter, who switches parties, around voting time on the 'health care' bill...Who are you?? Who do you really work for???......and just what do you want us to believe...to distract us from paying attention to what?!?!?

Let's All Argue!!!...........................................chumps!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 07:31 PM

Actually, Ake, there was alot of push back from alot of Dems on invading Iraq... Not enough but not just token opposition either...

The problem was back then that Bush still hqad the flag and 9/11 to wrap everything he wanted to do in so it was really hard to break ranks but Google it up and you'll see there was a decent amount of no votes from the Dems given that climate...

All of which adds to Strings observation that the Dems tend to be more free thinkers in that they rarely do that GOP goose-lock-step...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 06:56 PM

In the UK we had the equivalent of the Dems in Mr Blairs "New Labour"

There were a handful of dissenters to his support of Bush, but they were quickly marginalised, forced to resign, or dismissed from the party.

Most politicians owe allegiance to self preservation and the system, rather than the electorate, or any "airy fairy" philosophy like pacifism

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 06:22 PM

Yes, but there is a difference in that there are Dems who have decried these policies within
their same Party. The GOP has been in lockstep on these issues. Actually there are in the minority Dems who don't go along with the military policies. Their voice is as important as those who have caved-in to the propaganda.

We should be grateful that there are Dem voices (albeit in the minority) who are not afraid to speak out against America's newest foray into "Manifest Destiny". These voices are absent
in the GOP.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 06:10 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Dems vote to support Geordie's war?.....cowards as well as knaves!

Obama's lady in waiting is well known for her warlike characteristics.

Obama himself has continued to fund Iraq and Afghanistan, especially the development and deployment of the disgusting "drone"weapons technology.

Pacifist Dems.....Aye right!!

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 05:57 PM

Thanks, Amos.......I thought it was pretty good, myself!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 05:51 PM

I think LH is right. He has summarized it well. The U.S. is fast becoming a"corporatocracy"
whereby elections are being bought and sold and privatized by voting machines owned by...guess who.....corporations. John Roberts with his Supreme Court Citizens United ruling has exacerbated the problem and done damage to our system of government. But the two Parties are different. There is no one in the GOP who has come out against the Iraq and Afghanistan debacles. There are Dems who have. That is a huge difference.

A Republican Administration would be a sell-out to malfeasant corporations and the Defense Contractors. The U.S. would be embroiled in a never-ending war and the Contractors would be making money from it with the GOP blessing. They would be in lock-step here. There are Dems who would buck this system. They are not as prevalent as I would like to see them be,
however, they are in the Democratic Party and not in the GOP.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 05:40 PM

Problem is GfinS that, as I have said over and over... How can one not be hearing the "other side"... It owns purdy much the entire media and their story comes thru daily like a freight train... It is blasted at us like a flame thrower...

What isn't being heard is the truth about the very serious issues involving the economy, jobs and social juastice.. What is beig heard is the Rupert Murdocks, the Glen Becks, and the John Beonhers take on whatever issues they decide they he want to put forth from day to day...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Amos
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 04:04 PM

A good answer, GfS!


A

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 03:49 PM

Bobs: "Of course, it's gonna break up the LH/GfinS duo with you singin' a half step under her... Or not... Maybe she'll retune???"

If, by a 'duo', you mean, 'just now, for the sake of argument', I think you are tone deaf, because of the loud voices in your head yelling, 'Division through animosity for the other party', has drowned out the obvious tune! I'm quite sure, Little Hawk is an individual thinker, as I, and not taken into letting others do his thinking for him. When two individual minds, see the same thing, and are in agreement about it, and they are your friends, you might want to tell the 'voices' to 'quiet down', and consider what we are saying. I cannot find any motive within me, to deceive you.

Both 'parties' are corrupt, and do not represent neither, the will, nor intent of the genuine concerns, of their 'faithful' believers....over their own self interests, which have far more to do with their personal gain....than the well-being of you or me. They are only interested in us, to the degree in which WE, can keep them in the game!

Got it??

I know, it's both sad, and frustrating!

For what it's worth: Was in town the other day, joining some people for a small gathering, and the topic was working it's way into politics...After a bit of quiet listening and 'just being there', I was asked, "Hey, what party do you belong to?" To which I just said, "Oh, I'm not with the party, I'm with the band!"

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Amos
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 01:59 PM

Coupla times a year, need it or not...

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 01:38 PM

You just haven't read enough of LH, Ol'ster... He goes from "Both the same" to "Kinda the same" like changing unerwear...

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: olddude
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 01:22 PM

I think Little Hawk was just trying to say exactly what I did and many other folks .. yes they are different and yes there are still to many special interests in both parties to be comfortable with either .. never once thought he was saying they were the same .. but glad LH you made it clear to folks

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 01:19 PM

Okay, LH... If yer gonna go "bold" on us I'll move you into the "Kinda both the same" category... That make you happy???

Of course, it's gonna break up the LH/GfinS duo with you singin' a half step under her... Or not... Maybe she'll retune???

Nah...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 01:06 PM

I have repeatedly said that the Democractic and Republican parties are NOT identical, but that the essential problem is that they both serve entrenched corporate interests because those are the primary interests that FUND them. Because of this, they do not and cannot truly serve the public.

Why do you not get that????????????????? They don't need to be "identical" to both fail to serve YOU once they are elected.

I have always preferred the Democrats to the Republicans, and I would virtually always vote for them rather than the Republicans, I can hardly imagine a circumstance where I would vote Republican, but I know darned well that once either of those parties are in office, they will betray the hopes of most of the people who voted for them.

Listen to me. READ my lips. The Democrats and Republicans are NOT identical. NOT identical. NOT identical. NOT identical. But they are both extremely corrupt. The Republicans are, in my opinion, the worse of the two. But they are both corrupt.

Print this post out. Glue it on your monitor. So you don't forget that I have clearly said "The Democrats and Republicans are NOT identical. NOT identical. NOT identical."

Refer back to it when you need a reminder.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 12:08 PM

BTW, what I didn't say with was implied is that with George Bush ***almost*** "starving the beast" another Repub administration right now would take US right back to where Bush ran outta time...

In other words: Kiss Medicare and Social Security, as we know it, goodbye!!! That is the goal here for these people...


Not so funny thing is that the "starve the beasters" are now 3rd generation having had this strategy handed down from their daddies and granddaddies and I'm not too sure that the current crop has even thought things thru???

There's an expression "You don't miss the water until the well runs dry" and killing the New Deal has imlpications that are far reaching that the current crop of righties aren't ven considering... Like, most old people on Social Security spend that money on everyday products that "Boss Hog" produces... Take that money outta the economy and those sales are gone forever...

But the "starve the beasters" have no grasp of modern economics and really can't think beyond their bumper sticker mentalities...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 11:48 AM

Both have way too many ties to big corporations and special interests to make me comfortable.

No argument there!

I would be very happy if some grass roots person who just wants to do the right thing and not take all the pac money would rise to a level by which they can actually do something good without having any IOU's to any special interest .. that is all I wish for

You & me both, but the way things are currently constituted, ain't gonna happen.

That's what campaign Finance Reform was supposed to be about - until the Bushite-Packed Supreme Court decided that Money = Speech, Slavery = Freedom & other Orwellian pronouncements.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: olddude
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:31 AM

No there is a big difference between the philosophy of the two parties. Which is why I vote Democrat. But my point is this. Both have way too many ties to big corporations and special interests to make me comfortable. I would be very happy if some grass roots person who just wants to do the right thing and not take all the pac money would rise to a level by which they can actually do something good without having any IOU's to any special interest .. that is all I wish for

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:23 AM

Exactly, Greg... But it's alot easier to do an old song than learn a new one...

Here's what people are leaving out of the discussion... Ever since the New Deal there has been a group of people hell-bent on reversing it, just like a woman's right to choose... So they came up with this "Starve the Beast" strategy were they bankrupt the federal government and then hold up their arms and say "Geezem ya'll... We're sorry but we have run outta money... We have seen every Republican administration going back 30 years try to do just that: bankrupt the federal government...

George Bush will also be a hero in that circle 'cause he almost pulled it off... The only thing that saved the government was that Bush ran out of time... Another 6 months and he would have pl;unged a stake thru the heart and the righties would have been poppin' the corks...

To Wit: Now you have Repub saying that allowing the Bush tax cuts (starve the beast) to expire is "job'killing"... Huh??? The Fat Cats are sitting on at least $1.8T they won't invest now in jobs but the cuurent batch or Repubs, inspite of tax rates being lower than anytime in the last 40 years, say that if the rich jujst had more money then thry'd create jobs??? Sheet fire, ya'll... Some real messed up thinking here if we're dealing with reality... But, if the goal is to "Starve the Beast" then bring it on!!!

And the moronish Tea Partiers, who will be hurt the most, are steppin' to plate and standing up for the "starve the beasters"???

So, fir ya'll who wanta sit on the side line and sing the "Both Sides Blues", have at it... Just know in doing so your vote is for bankrupting the federal government and killing the New Deal...

Speakin' of deals??? That's the real deal...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 09:21 AM

How some folks cling tenaciously to the persistent delusion that there's "no difference" between the 2 major U.S. Politcal parties in spite of conclusive evidence to the contrary.

There is no point in trying to conduct an intelligent discussion with one so deluded.

Don't try to change their minds with facts.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 09:10 AM

If having the courage to try to reform our health care system under heavy fire with potentially career ending possibilities for having done so is a "left" hook then keep 'um comin'...

Hey, don't get me wrong... I knocked on doors and worker precincts for many years of the Green Party and I know ya'll's (GfinS and LH) company fight song real well having sung if for a couple three decades but...

... in the words of Jethro Tull, "It was a new day yesterday, it's an old day now"... I other words, defaultin' back to the "company fight song" is a tad on the intellectually lazy side...

I mean, here's the deal which really has nothin' to do with "Both the Same" mentality... One party is hell bent on doing some very irresponsible things like cutting taxes one one hand and talking about fighting the deficit on the other... But, hey, that is not only irresponsible and insane but flies in the face of modern economic theory... Ya' see, we do have a choice... We can use 17th century thinking and apply the leeches or we can use modern medicine...

There was a time when people didn't think (???) of leeches but seems that the Repubs are ready and willing to give them another try???

Meanwhile, the Mudville Twiidle-dee and Twiddle-dum (ya'll pick) keep playin' on as the Titanic takes on more and more water???

Hmmmmmm???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 01:01 AM

Exactly! ;-)

First the Republicans smack you right between the eyes with a vicious right. "Those bastards!", you think. "I'll fix them." You vote Democratic.

Then the Democrats nail you with a left hook. ARRGH! You hit the mat for a five count. If you really hate the Republicans so badly that you just can't admit you just got hit by the Democrats, then you get up, pretend it was an accident, and right about then you get a solid left kick to the balls by the Democrats.

This time you go down even harder. By the time you're on your feet again you are too confused to even focus, so it's really easy for the Republicans to deliver another vicious RIGHT that lays you out flat as a flounder.

And the game goes on.... ;-) They win, you lose. They alternate punches, you absorb the damage. You are the invisible punching bag that stands between those 2 parties and takes the hits.

Afterward you fight with the rest of the eqully punchdrunk and battered audience about it, and blame the half who bet on the other guy to win. You get to fight about it with the other audience members for four years...till the next heavyweight championship bout.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 11:21 PM

Thread question: "What Would a Repub Admin be Like?"

Like a 'right' jab after a 'left' hook.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 10:40 PM

Plus, looks at just how messed up the Repubs can get things when they ain't even power???

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Genie
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 09:46 PM

Well said, Stringsinger.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 07:36 PM

Exactly, strings... A very narrow view and one from which they "proclaim" is not negotiable... Reminds me of Isreal's pre-conditions before they will negotiate... Hey, we ain't gonna fix nuthin' until the Repubs get it that "it ain't all about them"... They make up, what??? 25% of the poulation??? Yet they act as if they are 100% of the population... That's some very rigid thinking... You know, like the Taliban...

BTW, I don't know of any progressives who aren't willing to sit down and say, "Let's put all the cards on the table and go from there" but this cares the Hell out of the Repubs and the right because it's going to mean they are going to have to, ahhhhh, think!!! HORRORS, NO!!! We don't wnat to think!!! We don't know how to think!!! Please don't ask us to think!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 03:30 PM

Genie, I take your point. Revolution has always had an interpretation of violence attached to it. Perhaps a better word would be "non-violent movement" as in opposition to the Vietnam War. (Also opposition to the Iraq and Afghan wars as well).

The problem with Repubs is that they take a narrow authoritarian view of government
and are generally pro-war. Anti-war activists are reviled by Repubs. They also support the malfeasance of corporations such as Big Pharma, Oil Companies, Wall Street and the Military Industrial Complex. The "reasonable" Republican is an endangered species. There have been some but they have been co-opted or maybe a better term would be "hijacked" by reactionary leadership of their Party.

George Lakoff has identified and worked with the problem of authoritarianism versus
a nurturing view of politics in society. (Unfortunately I am unable to find a site for Lakoff's
Rockbridge Institute which is doing great work. Hope they're still in business.)

Some are what Lakoff calls "biconceptuals"...they have an authoritarian way of life but ascribe to liberal (nurturing) ideas and vice versa. There are Republicans who are like this.

Unfortunately the economic policies (or lack of them) in Republican circles could spell
disaster for the economy. George W. Bush created the conditions for our economic woes today by weakening government agencies such as the SEC as well as all the other agencies under his administration which were sold out to corporate malfeasance. A GOP economic
policy would be a continuation of the disastrous Bush years. Clinton must bear responsibility however for dismantling Glass/Steagal.

John Roberts of the Supreme Court is the reason corporate power will influence elections in the future by his specious ruling on "Citizens United". The GOP supports this without
hesitation.

In short, if the Republicans gain power, the US is in for some very rough times.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Genie
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 01:13 PM

Akenaton, our "government" in the US is largely as corrupt and inefficient as "we, the people" let it be. When we act as individuals, most of us have little power, but when we pool our efforts and resources we can accomplish a lot.   If we don't get involved in our own political system, we let the private power brokers run the whole show.

And I don't recall any non-violent populist movement in history being called a "revolution" (except maybe, metaphorically, in the arts). OK, there was the "industrial revolution," but that wasn't a political one, either - just a turning point in the way humans in some parts of the world manufactured things.

So when people speak of "revolution," it seems they're usually talking about some sort of violent uprising (or at least taking up arms to defend against a tyrannical government).

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 08:23 AM

As in "Animal House", the semi-revolution is no more that rearranging the deck chairs and no revolution at all...

But a "complete revolution", at least as we know them from history (think 1918 Russia, for instance) is no longer possible in the countries where it is needed the most, like the US... The so-called revolutions in 3rd world countries are really the semi variety... We don't see much difference after the genocides than before them...

I think what the US is facing is an attempted semi-revolution by TV commentarors who really know nuthin' about governance, urban planning or the ins and outs of how to get the day-to-day mondane things to work properly... Yes, these people may think that "if only" they had the power then things would be better... Not so... Our society is too modern for them to make a difference...

So given that they really know nuthing about governance or planning or the nuts'n bolts of running a city or county what we would have is even worse than what we had with Bush... I mean, I hate to say it but George Bush was much better qualified to run the show than Glen Beck... Yet it is the Glen Becks who think they have all the answers...

I donno...

Yeah, we need a revolution but maybe we can pull, it off peacefully with a better education... It's obvious that our educational sysytem has not produced a population that understands "critical thinking" and therefore is vulnerable to zealots and strict ideologues... Mush like the horses in "Animal Farm"...

So, I guess, the revolution we need is the restoration of "critical thinking" in our school system... That's a good first step...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 04:16 AM

Why home in on "revolution" genie?.... as if that was an answer to what Hawk was saying

There are many types of revolution....we need a revolution in political thought.
We believe our governments act in our interests.....they certainly do not, we pay for their greed and recklessness, our sons and daughters die in their wars, yet we still convince ourselves that one wing is better than the other.

Our governments are there to act in the interests of those who finance them, not those who elect them.

The answer as Hawk says, is in the hearts and minds of individuals, whenever we are herded to left or right the answer becomes blurred, we begin to take the bovine view often seen in these pages.
We have become lazy, both physically and intellectually.
Time to wake up I think!

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 11:21 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCGYlEOVzUw&feature=related

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 10:37 PM

A Semi-Revolution
By Robert Frost

"I advocate a semi-revolution.
The trouble with a total revolution
(Ask any reputable Rosicrucian)
Is that it brings the same class up on top.
Executives of skillful execution
Will therefore plan to go halfway and stop.
Yes, revolutions are the only salves,
But they’re one thing that should be done by halves."





















an answer...by Oscar Williams (I didn't find this online anywhere...I had to dig it out of an old book.."The Silver Treasury of Light Verse") edited BY Oscar Williams

A Total Revolution
(an answer for Robert Frost)

"I advocate a total revolution.
The trouble with semi-revolution,
It's likely to be slow as evolution.
Who wants to spend the ages in collusion
With Compromise, Complacence and Confusion?
As for the same class coming up on top,
That's whole cloth from the propaganda shop;
The old saw says there's loads of room on top,
That's where the poor should really plan to stop.
And speaking of those people called the "haves",
Who own the whole cow and must have the calves
(And plant the wounds so they can sell the salves)
They wont be stopped by doing things by halves.
I say that for a permanent solution
There's nothing like a total revolution.

P.S. And may I add by way of a conclusion,
I wouldn't dream to ask a Rosicrucian."

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Genie
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 09:50 PM

Bobert, you are SO right!


That WAS post # 100!


And also, "No vote = a Repub vote."



Hawk, the problem with most revolutions - the one in 1776 possibly being a notable exception - is that they tend to result in tyrannical excesses every bit as oppressive as the ones they overthrow. Just tyrannies that oppress a somewhat different group.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 07:01 PM

Bobs: "But keep the mut, thank you, unless you find one with, ahhhhh, legs... lol..."

Try getting a point of view with legs.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 05:33 PM

Both!!!

But keep the mut, thank you, unless you find one with, ahhhhh, legs... lol...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 04:02 PM

Little hawk: "Heh! Adroitly done, Bobert. You win a chocolate Dachshund."

For the wisdom of the post, or reaching 100???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 03:01 PM

Heh! Adroitly done, Bobert. You win a chocolate Dachshund.

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 02:32 PM

No vote = a Repub vote...

No two ways about it and...

...100!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: What Would a Repub Admin be Like?
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 02:16 PM

"I could despair about the situation, but I don't, and here's why: This sort of thing has happened in many previous empires. Empires come and go. They rise and fall. But life goes on. My future does not depend on the continuance of some form of government. It depends on me. It's in my hands. The power is mine. And that goes for you too. The government will not solve your problems...YOU will solve your problems. The government is just a big noise that won't go away...but it's not a noise I'm much inclined to listen to, because it would be a waste of my time, frankly. There are much more harmonious noises out there to listen to, and one only has a certain amount of time left in which to listen."

Wish I had written that....

They didn't listen, they're not listening still.....I guess they never will."(Vincent...Don Mclean)