BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush

Subject: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 07:29 PM

Awright... I can't stand Bush and I think he is a menace to the world. Just like wolves (but more insidious.) But skimming down the BS threads, there are so many Bush threads that my eyes start to glaze over. I'm beginning to think that maybe Bush is even responsible for tooth decay. Everything seems to take an equally outraged, dead-serious stance, no matter how much of a stretcher the connection is.

I wonderr... is anyone who can't stand Bush slipping into a state of ennui about all the Bust threads?

No offense meant to my anti-Bush friends... I just ignore ALL (that dreaded word, used accurately) the threads about Bush at this point. I just feel that they cancel each other out..

Jerry (an anti-Bush)

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Arne
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 07:52 PM

Well, Jerry, I might have agreed with you, were I in the habit of skimming "Bush" titled posts and having seen your argument. But seeing as I'm not.....

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: GUEST,fiddler434
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 07:58 PM

Please everyone VOTE the thieves out this year. If you clicked on this thread because of the "bush" subject. That is our only chance to investigate all the crap Bush has gotten away with!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Arne
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 08:25 PM

I vote for frog-marching 'em out. The lot of 'em. And I'd say that a cheering section with juicy termaters to line the route would sure add frosting to the cake. But anyone that wants to up the ante to pitchforks, feathers, and buckets of tar, be my guest....

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Bert
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 11:29 PM

Of course he could have cried "Gas prices" instead.

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 11:42 PM

I like this post I just used. I want to post it here.


I'm not defensive. I just think your politics and values leave a lot to be desired, Ron Davies. I think very little of you as a person, that's all. So you can deal with that or not.

The angry ones are the Arne's and the Amos types, along with you Ron. angry at America, angry at Bush, angry at all Republicans, angry at people whosee right through you for the losers that you are.

I am far from angry. I am disgusted. disgusted with what passes for liberal thought process like yours.

I am disgusted that some people in the folk music world are some of the biggest losers in society, like yourself and your silly little band of ranting, lunitic hand wringers, who like I say, have accomplished very little, and will continue to accomplish very little.

Take a look in the mirror. Just an old, foolish doper who is still living in the past.

It's not at all boring to call you schmucks out. I've told you before, it's somewhat entertaining. The success is all mine, because your usual diatribes are broken up every time by me and all you do then is hate me for that and end up ranting about that. You don't get it. The reaction I get from disagreeing with you is the payoff because it makes you look like the idiots and complete hypocrites that you really are.

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 11:52 PM

The anger at Bush by the liberals and the Democrats have taken their eye off the real issues in this country and the world, Jerry. If only the obsessive anger at Bush can be channeled into something good, but there appears to be a mental block (mental disorder?) against doing that, so instead they try to undermine literally everything. I truly believe more and more people with sense are realizing this every day and that this tactic by the big losers who have zero power are accomplishing less every day.

Any sensible person knows this and you do alo for starting this thread, Jerry.

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 10:57 AM

Calling me a loser doesn't make me a loser anymore than calling a sheep a dog can make it bark.

Bush was elected by about 51% of the American people. So, 49% did not elect him. The various polls (take your pick) indicate that only 40% of the people still like the guy. That said, here's the math:

51% - 40% = 11%

Fully 20% of those who voted for Bush now don't like the guy's policies/administration. In raw numbers, about 62,000,000 people voted for George Bush. Take 20% from that number, and it means that over 12 MILLION people have changed their minds about him. Mudcat may be a non-influential, meaningless nest of liberalism, radicalism and socialism, so discount this place. However, it is slightly more difficult to discount that figure of 12,000,000, because that figure is ALL Republican.

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 12:06 PM

You can't catch a fish if you don't have bait.

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: pdq
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 01:57 PM

If you want to deal in statistics, that can easily be done. Actually, 97% of the 22% of US voters who said "I hate Bush and will never give him a chance, period" are still fuming and will never forget the 1604 votes that Bush got on November 7 of 2000 that put him over the top in the much-disputed Florida election. Yes, 99% of the top 1% of the richest 'fat cat' scadzillionaires who paid for Bush's win with their ill-gotten 'filthy lucre' still support Bush. Actually, they support Bush 51% which is how much campaign contributions they give to 'publicans as opposed to the 49% they give to the 'crats which is for the same job as it would have been if Gore had won, which is why they are supporting campaign reform - because it just costs too darn much money to buy a Democrat these days. Not like the glory days of Huey Long and "Pappy" O'Daniel. Now Republicans just do their pro-businee thing for free, kinda like Monica, 'cause that's the way they are. Poles never did look too good for the Republicans as in Chicago, where precinct captain John Wayne Gacy used to guarantee 92% of the Polish vote for Richard J. Daly. Still not as good as the 300% voter turnout is selected districts of St. Louis. Wow, now that is political genius. So, if you relate that with statistical analysis to the 40% - 51% = (-)11% of the current Poles, we have a clear winner: Chicago Steamies win in a landslide.

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Arne
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 02:43 PM

'Martin Gibson':

The angry ones are the Arne's and the Amos types, along with you Ron. angry at America, angry at Bush, angry at all Republicans, angry at people whosee right through you for the losers that you are.

Speaking of angry, I see you've had your meds today; I notice that the "Anus" and "Acne" have been replaced with more the more genteel and proper given names.

Why you assume to know who I am "angry" with is beyond me. Yes, I'm angry with Dubya. He's a proven liar, and a obvious and complete incompetent. Far worse, he's allowed his arrogance and incompetence to get many thousands of people killed. Mnay polioticians can manage to hurt people through bad policies, but Dubya has been literally deadly to horrifically many. I'm angry with the Republicans for their venality and hypocirsy, for their lust to sell their souls for a taste of power and tax breaks. This is evil in my book, and why shouldn't I be angry about that? I'm not "angy" at America (or, more precisely, the United States). Martin left one out: I'm angry with the lazy a$$es in the media who have been enablers of the mass incompetence and of the rape of a good country by a bunch of amoral thugs.

I am far from angry. I am disgusted. disgusted with what passes for liberal thought process like yours.

That's your cross to bear, 'Martin'. Tell it to someone who cares ... assumign there is such a person.

I am disgusted that some people in the folk music world are some of the biggest losers in society, like yourself and your silly little band of ranting, lunitic hand wringers, who like I say, have accomplished very little, and will continue to accomplish very little.

That'll get you lots of friends on the 'Cat, Martin.   ;-)

It's not at all boring to call you schmucks out.

Meds wearing off?

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 03:13 PM

"Now Republicans just do their pro-businee thing for free, " Tell that to Abramoff, pdq.

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 03:14 PM

It is kinda paradoxical that someone who spends so much time developing the most hostile posts he can imagine (rather pathetically) should also add to his accusation that his targets are "angry".

I guess some folks never learned about the projection thing, and just consigned themselves to an endless series of fat-based dramatizations.

A

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: GUEST,Anonny Mouse
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 03:43 PM

Gotta say if all this righteous indignation at Dubya was directed to whatever would CHANGE something is a decent point. Martin: I know down deep you enjoy all this but you make some good points and a lot of folks get all focused on HOW you make 'em-not what they say. As for me, doesn't bother me one way or another. But that's a diff topic.

So--I have a legit question here: if you could replace Bush with whoever ya wanted--WHO would that be??? I ain't sayin' he's the bag o' chips and all that--but who the he** is out there these days in the U.S.? Hillary? Leibermann? Gore? McCain? Obama or whatever his name is...?

Easy to complain but I don't see much thoughtful "here's whats better"-other than some dopey thing like "anyone!" or whatever. Now I'm not defending wars or oil prices or neocons, whatever. Just asking: watcha got that would be a BIG improvement to you? Frankly I think we have a real leadership crisis goin' on here...and no one seems to be stepping up to the plate to use the baseball metaphor. See that the Canadians got their own thing going on this now...so folks must be pretty dumb I guess. I really wonder who's gonna be up in a coupla years for Prez here...won't be Geo. W. (his brother maybe?).

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 04:01 PM

What hath I wrought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Egads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Another knock Bush thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Two comments. We got a problem with system, Houston. Those who would like to see Bush impeached should stop for a moment and invision this country headed by Cheney. Talk about frightening. At this point, American seems to be in a similar situation to middle East countries with Dictators. (Whew!!! never thought I'd say that.) What I mean is that our problems are not a single individual, it's a deeply imbedded power structure that needs to be uprooted. Reminds me of the Who song : "Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss."

And Martin, Knocking Bush has absolutely nothing to do with knocking America. Bush isn't America. In my mind, Bush isn't patriotic, no matter how much he wraps himself in the American flag. I don't think he gives much of a Damn about this country or he'd be trying to create the equality this country is founded on.

And to paraphrase Pogo: (very loosely) The Boy Who Cried Bush Are I!

Yikes!

Now I'll have to skim over my own thread.

The irony of it all.

And who said Americans don't understand irony?

Chagrined In Derby

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 04:08 PM

"And who said Americans don't understand irony?"

A grenade exploded near my leg and now my leg is very irony.

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 04:35 PM

Don't know what we're gonna do with you, Jerry... Everytime I turn around yer on poor ol' Bush yet again...

***grin***

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 04:48 PM

Yeah, Bobert. I happen to know that Mr Bush has been so personally devastated by all the negative stuff about him posted on this forum that he doesn't even visit here anymore! Word on the street is, he's really hurt about it. He used to love Mudcat Cafe. Have some pity on the man.

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Arne
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 05:27 PM

Jerry:

Two comments. We got a problem with system, Houston. Those who would like to see Bush impeached should stop for a moment and invision this country headed by Cheney.

You ain't been payin' attenshun. "Big Time" Cheney is running the country.

Chagrined In Derby

You're in Derby, CT nowadays? I knew you were out there somewhere (back when I was around for the CT FM scene), but my last official abode in CT before absconding for good to California (think "Time's Are Gettin' Hard", the last song of my last day's show on WWUH), was on 9th Street in Derby....

* * * * * *

As for my suggestion as to who to elect in 2008: perennial candiate Pat Paulsen. Yeah, I know, AFAIK he's dead, but I don't see that as being a disqualification in the Constitution, and there's no doubt he'd be a marked step up from what we have now.

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 05:41 PM

"Pat Paulsen"

To quote him from 1967: "If I'm nominated I will not run and if I'm elected I will not serve."

His answer regarding the curtailment of planes being hijacked? Give everyone loaded guns when they board the plane.

And, in a response to someone who didn't want to go to Vietnam: "You say it will ruin your chances to finish your education, take you away from your lady friend, break up your family and maybe get you wounded or killed! What do I have to say to that? Picky, picky, picky."

He held a $79 a plate fundraising dinner in California--I can't recall the town/city--and there no forks or spoons put on the tables. The meal? Spaghetti.

Indeed. Paulsen for President.

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 05:43 PM

That should be $.79 a plate.

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 05:47 PM

Hey, Arne:

You are right... and it's what I mean... Bush are a puppet. Cheney is holding one of the strings... maybe the one that opens and closes his mouth. There are so many strings that I'm afraid that it'll take a lot a snippin' to set this place right.

9th Street Derby looks pretty much the way it did when you left it.
I didn't realize that there was anyone FROM Derby, CT. This is such a wunnerful place it's hard to imagine anyone wanting to leave it.
Actually, it suits me just fine. It's too small for anyone to bother with.

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 06:00 PM

Arne

As usual, you look foolish with your comments about me and not about the topic at hand.

You just look angry because some one told you that your whining is falling on deaf ears and all of your whining Arne is stupid and getting nothing done.

I'm sure you have had trouble holding jobs for the same reason.

As for friends on the Cat, I have plenty or enough. I prefer friends that I can really shake their hand with.

don't like bush, arne? find a candidate. Until then, the boss is the boss as is elected by the people. don't like the boss? Then quit. You won't though. You will still be in liberal entitled-to everything mode.

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 07:04 PM

Gee, Mister Gibson, seems to me you spend more time whining about others in this community than anyone here spends whining about anything else.

Wonder why it looks that way?

A

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Arne
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 08:35 PM

Jerry:

I didn't realize that there was anyone FROM Derby, CT. This is such a wunnerful place it's hard to imagine anyone wanting to leave it.
Actually, it suits me just fine. It's too small for anyone to bother with.

I didn't know anyone lived there either. By the time I did my leisurely drive into Shelton across the little bridge downtown (late to avoid traffic, plus I hate mornings), it did look like a ghost town. Ummm, then again, don't think it was any different at other times.

Biggest excitement ever in town was when that pizza place blew up that one time (although that was before I lived there).

Now Connecticut's a nice place, Land Of Steady Habits and all, but I have to admit I've gotten seduced by the California lifestyle. Out here I can ride my bicycle into work (all year round, no less) and not take my life into my hands.

How's the Sounding Board doing? And give my best to Lui and/or Howie and Sally if ya see 'em....

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 10:40 PM

Hey, Arne:

Been a while since I've been to the Sounding Board (always one of my favorite coffee houses) and I haven't seen Sally and Howie in a long time.. too long, come to think of it. I never knew Lui well... split an evening at Woods Hole with her many years ago, and was at a New Year's Eve party where she was, once. The salad days of coffee houses ended here a long time ago... when you had your choice of five or six places to go every weekend. And I ran a series at the Stamford Museum for 27 years. The Museum was loaded with Bushes (just to keep this on topic.)

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 10:43 PM

I don't Amos. I just tell it how it is and respond. It's always just a response to the stupidity I see by the usual left wing-nuts such as yourself.

I don't have the need to start Bush whining/hand-wringing threads. Just the need to respond how little impact they have.

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Amos
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 12:04 AM

Your whining is still the loudest and ugliest sound in this forum, Gibson; it stinks like last month's sewage, which is often what it consists of. You so proudly think of yourself as "saying it like it is", but the truth index in your assertions is very low, and the compassion index is way negative. It is very easy to be a braggart and claim the truth while intentionally stating things designed only to bolster your sense of me-rightness and other-wrongness. It is a lot harder to be genuinely brave about unknowns.

A

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Wolfgang
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 09:00 AM

Good thread, Jerry (I mean the intention).

But it's not only the Bush threads, all political threads are "bushable". When I see a new political thread I often make a private game to predict how long it will take until someone mentions Bush and who will be the one. It's fun. It usually takes only between 5 and 10 posts until a thread is (am)bushed.

Most of these (am)bushs are clumsy and lack any finesse. But if it is McGrath who does it you can bet on an (am)bush with a foil and not a club. I just love it. He has the ability to make us think of Bush in an at the first glance unrelated thread without even mentioning the name.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Wolfgang
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 10:08 AM

Good thread, Jerry (I mean the intention).

But it's not only the Bush threads, all political threads are "bushable". When I see a new political thread I often make a private game to predict how long it will take until someone mentions Bush and who will be the one. It's fun. It usually takes only between 5 and 10 posts until a thread is (am)bushed.

Most of these (am)bushs are clumsy and lack any finesse. But if it is McGrath who does it you can bet on an (am)bush with a foil and not a club. I just love it. He has the ability to make us think of Bush in an at the first glance unrelated thread without even mentioning the name.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Wolfgang
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 10:43 AM

Good thread, Jerry (I mean the intention).

It's not only the Bush threads, all political threads are "bushable". When I see a new political thread I often make a private game to predict how long it will take until someone mentions Bush and who will be the one. It's fun. It usually takes only between 5 and 10 posts until a thread is (am)bushed.

Most of these (am)bushs are clumsy and lack any finesse. But if it is McGrath who does it you can bet on an (am)bush with a foil and not a club. I just love it. He has the ability to make us think of Bush in an at the first glance unrelated thread without even mentioning the name itself.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 10:52 AM

What some people miss is that our "Bush bashing" is a visceral response to the dangers we perceive. For that reason, I don't even think of it as bashing. If your child had fallen in a well and in danger of falling farther and you kept screaming about it would anyone call it fear mongering? No. You must wake the people.

I'm sure that some will say that action, not vocalization, is what is needed. However, under the US system the only recourse we have available is to speak out until it is time for action. In the meantime, we must wake the people.

One other thought: For those who would say that here on the Mudcat we are speaking mostly to the converts I would agree. However, the more we read and thnk and speak and have our fears confirmed and reinforced, the more we find words for the message and the more likely it is that we will find the words in our own corner of the world. We must wake the people.

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Arne
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 12:57 PM

Jerry:

And I ran a series at the Stamford Museum for 27 years.

Yeah, I knew about it, but never got down there; my usual haunts were closer to Hartford/SimsburyNorthhampton (although I occasionally got down to Fairfield U, NHU, or such for some of the Celtic acts). Did get to Falcon Ridge on occasion.

When I was living in Derby, didn't see much music at all; by that time I was on the road almost constantly, and had lost touch with the local music scene.

Sorry to hear coffee houses have tapered off; but there's still lots of good stuff out there; Berkeley's Freight and Salvage is top-notch, and the SF music scence brings in the bigger names too. I've been back to Northhampton visiting, and IC that the Iron Horse is still going (although I hear that Jordy's been out of it for a while).

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: The Boy Who Cried Bush
From: Arne
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 01:06 PM

Wolfgang:

It's not only the Bush threads, all political threads are "bushable". When I see a new political thread I often make a private game to predict how long it will take until someone mentions Bush and who will be the one.

When Dubya is pretty much the most important player in politics (not only in the U.S., but in the world), this should come as no surprise to you.

Most of these (am)bushs are clumsy and lack any finesse.

Yes, I'll agree. They certainly are clumsy and lacking in finesse. Take Dubya's frequent "mishaps" and visible scrapes and bruises, not to mention his horrible mangling of sapience, much less the English language. Then there's Barbara's noted comments over the years concerning the 'little people', etc., if you're looking for some dearth of finesse. How about Dubya's horrific "joke" of looking for WoMDs (2000 soldiers dead ain't too funny, I'd say), or his "Plllleeeeaaaaseeee don't kiilll meeeee" comment.

Yep, there's one place I'll agree with you, Wolfgang.

Cheers,