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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Sep 10 - 12:00 PM Bobert: "....They been tellin' US that it was over for the last 6 months to a year and then sayin' that it's going to be several years, if ever, before the economy produces enough jobs to be even close to a full employement economy..." So, are you saying you believe the lie, or don't believe the lie?? OR Either way you interpret the lie, Obama is your kind of guy! Stereo politicians, speaking out of both sides of their mouths!!! But, its okay, you can drool over anyone you want, for any reason you want. Here in America, we have the freedom to be as stupid and tasteless as we want!!! The government will send over someone to wipe your ass....Hey, No wonder you like it!!!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 22 Sep 10 - 02:29 PM It ain't as much as believin' a "lie", GfinS... We're in a pickle of a recovery because the corpoartions have way too much power... They are doing fine... Their profits are up because they know they have their workers by the balls and are squeezin' every last little bit of production out of them... That is reality... Mmy 3 son-in-laws are "Exhibit A, B and C"... One works for Kraft Foods and is salaried and he's putting in 60 hour weeks... Another works for Sylvan Pools and running two markets where two years ago each market had it's own manager... He's also putting in 60 hours a week... The 3rd works for Marriot and he's slammed, too... What this means is that one heck of alot of people are unemployed... That is the main problem here... What we have is the "pefect storm" for Boss Hog to bust some butts and that's what he's doing and thus what we have is a jobless recovery... That is the true said of the story... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 23 Sep 10 - 12:01 AM Are Homeless people a Terrorist Organization? Matthew Watkins, 28, was charged with four counts each of first-degree assault and armed criminal action for the attack Saturday at the Mid-America Care Center, the Callaway County sheriff's office said Sunday. Sheriff Dennis Crane said two victims were cut by a chain saw and two others by a knife. Authorities said the victims injured by the chain saw were in critical condition, while the other two were treated and released. Watkins had been staying at the shelter for about two weeks and was taking part in a program that provides residents with on-the-job-training, authorities said. The attacks happened around 2 p.m. inside the shelter. Afterward, Watkins ran outside, where police got him to drop the chain saw at gunpoint and arrested him, authorities said. Watkins, originally from St. Louis, was being held on $600,000 bond. Jail officials did not immediately know whether Watkins had an attorney. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 23 Sep 10 - 10:16 AM Some might be, Sawz... Especially if they are both homeless and card carryin' members of the Tealiban Party... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Slag Date: 23 Sep 10 - 02:35 PM Bobert, life has to be easy for you. Just take out your broad brush and paint everything under the banner black or white and dismiss or praise it. It's a great substitute for analysis and actual thought! I personally have no problem with anybody of either party being armed at anytime. In my opinion that IS the supreme law of the land. The moronic idiot(s) that would try to use (read: missuse)that right to threaten or intimidate would find himself vastly outnumbered. And as for the handful of nutcases who actually do use a weapon, well, they haven't been stopped yet. Wait! Wait! I hear you screaming! Yes, it is problematic at a huge gathering and where our public leadership would be at risk in these times marked by terrible violent acts. Gun checks, go-nogo can all be in play. A policy of "not here-not now" would render gatherings pretty much as things exist right now. In a free society these things will always be problematic. However when freedom ceases to be, no more such problems, for the governing class at any rate. Strings, the reason I wouldn't support Sarah Palin is found in her book. Instead of demonstrating leadership quality and confronting John McCain personally when she disaggreed with her handlers, she continued to act the part of a team player. If she was to ever aspire to a higher office, she needed to confront and if neccessary, leave the ticket in support of her own convictions. As for O'Donnel her political usefullness was exhausted by winning the primary. Her's was not a YES vote for O'Donnel but a NO vote for the Republican status quo. That's all. She demonstrated her immaturity and inexperience NOT by backing out of the Chris Wallace interview (that was bad enough) but by not contacting Wallace and company beforehand with a credible explanation. Rather, it has been her "handlers" spinning excuses after the fact. Does anyone really need this person representing them? See Bobert, that's how you shoot someone down in the political arena, by facts and sound arguemnt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Sep 10 - 02:45 PM I suspect that the primary reason the media are focusing various kinds of attacks and ridicule on the Tea Party is this: the media serve the Duopoly (Democrats and Republicans), because the Duopoly serves the media's corporate owners. Anything that threatens the stranglehold that the Duopoly has on the American political process will therefore be vigorously attacked by the mass media, demonized or ridiculed, and held up as a great danger to society...or a joke not to be taken seriously. Whatever works. The main thing is, nobody must be permitted to break or damage the power of the ruling Duopoly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Sep 10 - 02:48 PM LH, Your comment CANNOT be true. That would make Amos and Bobert (un)knowing agents of the Duopoly, and we know that they are entirely independent of any political bias, unlike all those that disagree with them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Slag Date: 23 Sep 10 - 03:45 PM It's them Republicrats and Demicans what's doing it to us! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 23 Sep 10 - 05:16 PM Actually, it is a wonder at all that a loosely orgainized band or angry white people gets all this media time... If we break down the numbers of folks who have voted for the Tea Party cnadidates it's less than 15% of the registered voters in the states where Tealiban candidtes have run... Maybe closer to 10%..l. That makes it a fringe party, at best... But the media time they are getting is mind boggling!!! You'd think that the so-called "liberal" media wouldn't let such a small band of loonies get so much press... (Follow the money, Boberdz...) Oh yeah, countless tens upons millions of dollars are behind the Tealiban Party... Between the Kock brothers and the Dick Armie's lobby (health insurers, pharmacudicals, etc.) these people are, per vote, the most expensive campaign that has ever been waged... I mean, bigass money behind the Tealiban... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Amos Date: 24 Sep 10 - 10:40 AM Tea Party's Big MoneyPublished: September 23, 2010 Recommend Send To Phone Reprints Share Close LinkedinDiggMixxMySpaceYahoo! BuzzPermalink. Tea Party supporters and their candidates like to imagine themselves as insurgents, crashing the barricades of Washington to establish a new order of clean and frugal government. In earthbound reality, many of the people pulling the Tea Party's strings are establishment Republican operatives and lobbyists. Some have made money off the party for years. One example is Sal Russo, a gun-for-hire who has worked for former President Ronald Reagan, former Gov. George Deukmejian of California, former Gov. Christine Todd Whitman of New Jersey, former Gov. George Pataki of New York, and many other Republicans. As The Times reported on Sunday, Mr. Russo saw a sure thing last year, establishing a group called the Tea Party Express to support candidates in the midterm elections and raise cash at the same time. The group has spent nearly $1 million in an effort to replace Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic Senate leader. It spent nearly $350,000 to elect Senator Scott Brown of Massachusetts. It is pouring money into Alaska to support Joe Miller's Senate bid. And it has spent $250,000 in Delaware on behalf of Christine O'Donnell, now the Republican nominee for the United States Senate. Mr. Russo held a fund-raiser for Ms. O'Donnell and organized a rally. In all, Mr. Russo and his group have raised $5.2 million and are the biggest independent supporters of Tea Party candidates. Of that, $3 million to buy advertising went to his political consulting firm or one controlled by his wife. Of course, he takes a substantial cut of each buy. Dick Armey, the former House Republican leader, considers himself a godfather of the Tea Party and is co-author of the book, "Give Us Liberty: a Tea Party Manifesto." Writing in The Wall Street Journal, he called for a "hostile takeover" of the Republican Party, which sounds so very revolutionary until one remembers that he helped lead that party for many years, guiding its policies and raising its money. When he left office in 2003, he cashed in on his connections to become a very high-paid lobbyist at DLA Piper, one of Washington's biggest law firms, which has clients that include health-care companies, energy producers and foreign governments. Then there is Carl Paladino, the Tea Party-backed Republican nominee for governor of New York. His bloodcurdling denunciations of Albany never seem to mention that he is one of the biggest landlords of state agencies, owning properties with $85 million in taxpayer leases in Buffalo alone that provide him with income of more than $5 million a year. He is the biggest property owner in Buffalo, and much of his empire has been constructed with state development incentives and tax breaks. An adviser is Roger Stone, an operator for Republicans since Richard Nixon's re-election campaign. There are undoubtedly thousands of Tea Partiers who would love to purge Washington of well-connected lobbyists, high-priced political consultants and others who take millions of taxpayer dollars while condemning the lawmakers who spend it. They should take a long look at the leaders and candidates who are driving their movement and decide whether purging begins at home. (Editorial, NYT) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 24 Sep 10 - 12:10 PM "if they are both homeless and card carryin' members of the Tealiban Party" Another if. You are really good at operating on ifs rather than facts soow about determining the outcome of this "if": What if they were homeless and not card carrying members of the "Tealiban Party" Can you show us one of those cards? Or would you rather base your "if then" "facts" on bullshit that does not even exist? Maybe one of those cartoon characters on the Simpson's has a Tealiban membership card you can direct us too. UAW members carry cards don't they? Would you like some buzzed up boozed up stoner alky building your car? What if your car was assembled by drunk potheads? Can you give us some insight on that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 24 Sep 10 - 12:12 PM Get a life, Sawz... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: beardedbruce Date: 24 Sep 10 - 12:26 PM Bobert, You choose to make unsupported attacks on Tea party member, because YOU disagree with them. and the actions of a very small minority. Sawzaw chooses to make attacks, based on an equally small sample, on union members who support someone HE disagrees with. If HE needs to get a life, YOU should consider doing so as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 24 Sep 10 - 12:42 PM I got one and no "card carryin' members of the Tealiban Party" exist in my life. I suppose UAW members smoking pot and drinking during lunch do not exist in yours. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 24 Sep 10 - 02:49 PM Amos Lightfoot, all that ballyhoo about some people giving money to the Tea Baggers, you left out George Soros, and his agendas for the Democraps! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 24 Sep 10 - 05:23 PM How could I disagree with the what the Tea Party believes, bruce... They really don't belive in anything that resembles policy positions... Wanting their country back is not a policy position... It is bullshit... Wanting thr "government out of their lives" is not a policy position... It also is bullshit... Saying they are against the deficits but wanting to continue tax cuts is not a policy position... It is not onlu bullshit but not possible... What I object to is these people are threatening to shoot people who disagree with them... On another thread where I posed a hypthethical question about the left using 2nd "ammendment remedies" I made it clear that I was not advocating shooting anyone... The Tea Party needs to do the same... I also disagree with their bullying tactics at the town hall meeting last summer... People came to them thinking they were going to be allowed to participate but were bullied so badly by the Tea Party ***goons*** that they left having not been able to particiapte... Neither of these have anything in common with the way a free and democratic country works... Now if the Tea Party wants to respect our country and show respect for democracy and stand up and say they have been assholes and they now understand that threatening people ain't the way they want to be seen then it's "game on"... Until then, they are borish assholes who have no respect for this country and would do better in Afganistan with their Taliban brothers, who BTW, think just like them... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: beardedbruce Date: 24 Sep 10 - 05:25 PM "People came to them thinking they were going to be allowed to participate but were bullied so badly by the Tea Party ***goons*** that they left having not been able to particiapte..." Sort of like ANY conservative posting his views here at Mudcat??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Slag Date: 25 Sep 10 - 03:57 AM Amos, amigo, you are right about the fact the R's jumped up and immediately started trying to co-opt Tea-Party because what the folks were saying was that they are tired of the same old same old. Bush went right down the check list of the things to say to the conservative members of the R's and he was sure to add a lot of sincereity to the spiel. The fish took the bait and that was that. Tea-Partiers are looking for a more sincere bait. But wait! They are also looking across the aisle for folk who perhaps tend to vote their way of thinking there also so don't be too quick to write this grassroots movement off. There may be something here for everybody. One thing you have to admit though, they are NOT the homogeneous, monochromatic group, marching in lock-step that Bobert and some others make them out to be. I tend to see those on the left as being in that mind-set. But I was wrong about that! I am having a wonderful time watching the Obama show! You've got to admit that it is entertaing to see a "Unified" party with control of both houses of Congress and the Presidency fumble, fall over each other, bicker and fight and generally squander what may be the moment of a lifetime. And look at what they have wound up hanging their colective hat on: an unworkable, untenable health care initiative! Bravo! Perhaps, if you are looking for REAL change in gu'ment check out the tea party for yourself. They are not closed to anyone and the debates are just as lively as anything here at the 'cat! Guns optional! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 25 Sep 10 - 11:51 AM No one here screams or shouts you down, bruce... You can type in peace and type as much as you like... Major difference than the town meetings... As for the membership of the Tea Party??? Alll one has to do is study the picture that was on the front page of the Washington Post a couple weeks ago after the Beck ralley to have a firm understanding of thr demographics... I studied it under a magnifying glass for some time... No blacks... And at least 7 in 10 of the folks there were seriously over weight which means if they don't have health insurance then tax payers will inevitably be on the hook for one heck of alot of health care expenses down the road just from this sample of about 200 of these folks... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Sep 10 - 12:40 PM Bobert: "How could I disagree with the what the Tea Party believes, bruce... They really don't belive in anything that resembles policy positions... Wanting their country back is not a policy position... It is bullshit... Wanting thr "government out of their lives" is not a policy position... It also is bullshit..." I think you post clearly says it all!! Look at how far you got locked into it. You should re=read this carefully, and it may dawn on you, why you get so much flak......and how screwed up you've become....I mean to say, your post, reflecting your thinking, is exactly where any tyrant would want you!!! Regards, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 25 Sep 10 - 03:59 PM Policy position and emotive primal screamin' are world's apart, GfinS... I have yet to hear one actual, ahhhhh, policy position outta these loadmouths... Maybe you'd like to step up to the plate and become a spokesman and put forth something... I mean, anything... that slightly resembles something that rele3ctes what policies the Tealiban would advocate or want to change... To date, I haven't heard of any they have put forth... Maybe they just got to get their hissyfits behind them before they are able to articulate what it is that they want... "Wanting our country back" says 100% nuthing... "We wnat government off our backs" says 100% nuthin'... Sorry if I sound impatient to you but there are alot of us waiting to hear what the heck these people want??? I mean, if they want to privitaize Social Secrity or even kill it, hey, that is a position and a starting point for discussion... If they want to kill off every department in the federal government except Defense, hey, that is a policy posotion and a starting point for discussion... Hey, if they want to continue subsidizing the rich with bigass tax breaks then that is a policy posiion and a starting point for discussion... But they won't come out and say what it is they want and until then if they just think they can go around threatening to kill people they ain't goin' any further than they've come and will start to decline as more of it members say, "Hey, what do we want???"... This is some very basic logic that I'm talkin' about here, GfinS... Not rocket surgery, by any stretch of the imagination... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Slag Date: 25 Sep 10 - 05:35 PM Hey Bobert! You may be right! I didn't just look at the Washington Post alone though (it's amazing what you can do with Photo Shop. I could make the demographic 50% black in short order), but that aside. If 11% to 13% of the pop. is black what is that of the about 500K folks who showed up for the GB rally? If it were a totally random sample that would be about 50K or so. That is plenty enough to show up in a random photo. But unfortunately that doesn't happen to be the demographic of the right-leaning side of the US political scene. So perhaps the photo did give a fair representation to fit the PROFILE you were using. That's right, you were profiling. You were examining that photo looking for one thing: skin color. It doesn't matter which skin color it was, it's still racial profiling. Did you look for the lighter skinned blacks or just the ones that would stand out more boldly in the sea of WHITE? Did you think to examine the stage where the speakers were? Had you, I know you would have seen some black folk there, Loretta Scott King for one. I mean, after all it was MLK day wasn't it? Did you count the white hoods or swastikas? How many? So, why didn't you see any, or rather, many black folk there? I mean after all it was the Republican Party and it was the first Republican president that gave us the Emancipation Proclamation and engaged upon a war to re-unite the country under a banner of total equality and justice, not for just the black people but whites too!. You know, that war where hundreds of thousand of folks, many of whom were white, most of whom were white, died to free our black brothers in the South. So what happened? Right up until the 1970's the South remained staunchly Democrat and though the North was turning Democrat, mainly through labor concerns, there was still a big shift in attitude toward the black folks. Could it have been through political manipulation that the Republican party was made bereft of their shining acheivement, the liberation of the black folks? you know, divide and conquer where you tell one group, like labor, that the other SMALLER group is holding them down, holding them back! And that you, their party of choice is doing everything they can to help them out of that fix. But gee! it's difficult, their enemies are SO powerful. It's gonna take a lot of money and the real issues are so complex that you, the average guy can't really understand them so it's gonna take a long time too. An of course the folk who buy into this malarkey are the numbers they need to get them into office. And what they do, once they get there is material for another giant thread which I have no real desire to explore right now. Nonetheless they continually make a boogeyman out of the polical opposition and lay all their failures to come through on their promises. As affluence continued to grow many of the Democrats' earlier recruits also gained in affluence and realized the lie that the Democrt Party is. They wanted to keep more of what they earned so they began to vote against higher taxation and even more to the point they did not like a party defining them as "down-trodden". Gee, the Democrats needed to strengthen their base with more victims. Who but the black folks! What a gold mine. Divide and conquer and this was especially ripe because there WAS racism! Never mind that it was being largely perpetrated by Southern Democrats. Numbers were what counted and they were and are masters at counting numbers! I mean just look at Florida in the Bush election! Well the racism was a mixed bag as far as those who supported it, those who were against it and those who didn't have a clue. And thankfully, although the issue was greatly exploited, great steps have been made to end it. But as far as politics go the Repubs completely missed the boat and lost there one-time crown jewel of their party. Ever since then it has been the Deomocrat Party defining what it means to be a person of color! And if ever the black man wanted proof that it was those OTHER white guys doing it to them, well just look at who is racist! QED in my opinion! But now it's our poor downtrodden brothers to the south of the South who need the Democrats' help. Never mind that they aren't even citeizens of this country! That doesn't matter. Just get here by any means possible and VOTE DEMOCRAT! We will save you. You are being exploited by America! Infact the whole world is being exploited by America! Thank God for Obama or we would have never known that! And just find out what he believes about Salvation! But that too is another thread. Well, there WERE some black folks at that rally, honest! And some of them were speakers there also. And what they said was far more important than a headcount by skin color. Racism exists, that is true but it is NOT the sole provence of any one party or any one race. It is mean and petty-minded and OUGHT to be identified and driven out of our society. No one can argue that. But we need to stop making boogeymen out of the specter of racism and we need to realize that by doing so is itself a form of racism. I'll stop here. I'm sure I have given my detractors tons of ammo with which to have a field day. Some may even be deserved. I'll continue to read this thread a while longer. But I could write a book. Just not here. Just a footnote: Since the Repubs have started to wake up to HOW politics are played (you know, Chicageo-style) they have more and more come to resemble their enemy. Maybe that is what drives the Tea-baggers. Me? I'm still a minority of one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 25 Sep 10 - 06:15 PM Well, yeah... BB allready pointed out that Dr. King's grandaughter did accept an *invitation* to be the token black person... So what??? Doesn't really change much... Here you have, as reported by more than just me but media and other golks who have attended these Tea Party rallies, a bunch of angry white people with nothin' in the way of policy they want except to "have THEIR country back"... Now I ain't gonna speak fir black America but the black folks I do know are scared shitless of these people... The old black folk remember Jim Crow and the younger ones have been told by their grand-daddies and grand-mas... Until the Tea Party can expalin what it wants in terms of actual policies then, hey, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's more than likely a friggin' duck... Right now the Tea Party looks very much like the KKK sans the sheets... The bit about them shooting people who disagree with them stinks of KKK, too... This is what the KKK did... They bullied and they terrorized people... Explain to me, Slag, why that is okay in yer book... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Sep 10 - 06:21 PM Bobert: "Sorry if I sound impatient to you but there are alot of us waiting to hear what the heck these people want???" Then, NICELY go to where they are having a 'get together', as if you are actually curious, and fucking ask them!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Stringsinger Date: 25 Sep 10 - 07:31 PM The Tea Party is based on a misreading of history. If it wants to pattern itself after the Boston Tea Party, it is not consistent with the reaction of one nation against another. England had a corporate entity known as the East India Tea Company that dominated the commerce in the Colonies. Small tea merchants from the Colonies were put out of work by the East India Tea Company (corporation) which had the support of King George. The manufactured "Tea Party" in the US is not dominated by any foreign nation and the people who are a part of it are working and doing business under the protection of the laws of the Federal Government. Tea Partiers are not exactly downtrodden poor but kind of upper middle class. They are being financed by the likes of the Koch Brothers who are not exactly representative of the working-class populace. Nor is Dick Armey. When they say they want "their" country back, what they mean is a return to a time when blacks were being lynched in the South, Religion dominated the so-called morals of the public, no one questioned authority but obeyed robotically, and children were subjected to daily child abuse if they didn't tow the line. The country of the Thirties through the Fifties was not served very well by this authoritarianism and it's well to remember that Roosevelt suffered at the hands of wealthy businessmen, some who plotted to assassinate him. Fortunately he had the courage to stand up to them and saved many working-class jobs as a result. Much of what "country" they want back is mythological. It was never a time that lacked turbulence, labor disputes, and a unilateral agreement on how the country should be won. Many of the Tea Partiers remember the Second World War and how it appeared that the country was more unified than it actually was. There was a lot of jingoism and flag waving that replaced genuine patriotism. When the war ended, many of these so-called conservatives looked around for another enemy to fight in an attempt to unify the country in a common ideology. In the Fifties they found Communism which then turned that time into a hysteria where innocent people went to jail through the purging of the drunken senator from Wisconsin. When he was finally removed, the public went into a kind of reaction and diversity in ideas. Many realized that they had been hoodwinked by a false "patriotism". They were left with confusion and anger which has carried through to this day. Tea Partiers should realize that "you can't go home, again" which is to them the mythology of a "Leave It To Beaver" time that was seemingly free from strife and disputing discourse. They are angry because the US got its ass handed to it in Vietnam and there is a suspicion that the same thing is happening today in Iraq and AfPak. Tea Partiers are suffering from a free-floating anger and find it difficult to target their anger to not much more than a Black President. The mythology of the Tea Party has nowhere to go in reality. Their claim of victimhood runs a lot deeper historically then just their fear of a repressive government. Corporations have, however, found a way to channel this fear politically to protect their economic interests. The Tea Party is hysterical and incapable of logical solutions to pressing issues such as unemployment which will not be cured by tax cuts. They can't find the same honest reverence for the "troops" as they once felt they had in WWII. Some brandish their weapons in an expression of impotent rage which very much looks like terrorism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 25 Sep 10 - 08:05 PM Well, GfinS... Seems like yer "driftin' too far from the shore" with the "insanity" bit... You askin' me to go to Tea Party meeting is like asking an Afro-American back in the 30's to waltz into a Klan rally... I mean, you gotta get a grip here 'cause yer goin' down fast... Strings put it out there... This is reality... This so-called movement is being bankrolled bhy some very, very, very rich people with their own agnedas who looked around and found that with their million$ that they could incite a bunch of angry white people to riot... And riot it has been... First of all, these very, very, very rich people put together a "primer" on how to disrupt a public gathering, then hired hundreds of "community orgainizer" to go out and get Reneck Nation all lathered up and this is what you have... These people are being used as pawns and are clueless as to what they really want... They have to be told by FOX Command Central what to say and what to think before they will open their mouths other than parrot, "we want our country back"... I mean, these are some very stupid people if they have to wait for marching orders from FOX Central... This is the reality that all Tealibaners here won't address because they haven't gotten their marching orders yet... Yet they parrot "Bobert is a Dem" or "Strings is a Dem" thinking that that is the end of the story... That is complete bullshit... This ain't about Dems or Bobert or Strings... It's about one shitload of vert barinwashed brownshirters waiting for their next orders... I tell ya' what... I'd be more tghan willin' to go on any national TV show and debate any Tea Party leader/follower... I'd go without any notes and I'd bet everything I own, includin; my garndmother's Bible, that I would tiest the best of them into a pretzel in less then 10 minutes... I mean, afetr 500 posts here I can't get one friggin' moronic Tealiabner here to just denounce friggin' violence against people who don't agtree with them!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??... Ehat the heck is that all about, GfinS??? Why would ya'll denounce yer Taliban tactics??? Huh??? Cat got yer tongue??? Glen Beck got yer tongue??? Osama bin Laden got yer tongue??? Huh??? Come on, ya'll Tea Partiers... Waht, too busy partyin' to have any appreciation for democracy and *****Freedom******...; Frededd om mena being able to go to a town meeting and not be roughed up by a bunch of "true believer" brownshirts... Huh??? Anyone goin' to step up here or ya'll afraidf of yer own "handlers"... "Step outta line the man come and take you away..." Bunch of wusses as far as I can see, ya'llz... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Sep 10 - 08:24 PM Gosh, Bobert, you sound frantic, like you're coming undone at the seems! Really, if you want to find out what they're about, go ask one...and don't be so prejudiced, that you can't be inquiring. It won't hurt you. Shit, I bet you've played in rougher bars! Just go find out...if you WON'T, then it is YOU, that is uneducatedly opinionated....and therefore, full of shit! Waving, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 25 Sep 10 - 08:57 PM Well, not really, GfinS... I ain't torqued at all...Been a mellow day and that's just fine in my world... But, ahhhhhh, with the Tea Party getting almost 24/7 media attention as if it was a newly discovred pill that cures everything that can kill ya' andf guarenttes that you will liove to be at least 100 years old, you'd think that along the way someone from the tea Party would tell the other American people just what the ehck they believe in??? Listen, GfinS... They have a Tea Party here in Page County... Thay even showed a picture of the folks at a meeting... I was lookin' at the piccure and thinkin', "Hey, that's ____________ and...geeze, there's _______________..." and then thinkin', "Hmmmmmmmm, them ain't like the brightest bulbs in the shop..." and then thinkin' about going to one of their meetings??? That'd reminded me of going back to my student teachin' days in college when I had to spend a week working with "special needs" kids... I mean, God knows I loved them kids, but I sho nuff wouldn't have wanted any of them growing up to run the country... Or town... Or county... So ya' think that a little ***adult romper room*** will give me a perspective on what ya'll is all about??? Excuse me but I'm gonna go in the bathroom, look in the mirror and se if "Dumb Ass" is tatooed on my forehead... Gorget it!!! Get one of ya'llz to go on TV and share ***JUST ONE*** policy position with the rest of US... Bet the farm you won't... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Sep 10 - 10:39 PM Now, go stand in front of the mirror, and enunciate real well, so maybe you can read your own lips, "GfS does NOT belong to the Tea Party"..OKAY?? Now try it again, and listen real well.. "GEE eff ESS, D-o-e-s NOT BEE-LONG, to THHE Tea PAR-Tee".....okay, you almost got it, one more time....GfS does not belong to the Tea Party" Now that wasn't to fuckin' hard, was it?...............SOOOOOOOOO, Stop asking ME about what they're policies are..... ASK a TEA PARTIER....and if so, try not to volunteer too many arguments..just LISTEN, and pick their brains...if you REALLY want to know. Besides, " Proverbs 18:13 He that answers a matter before he hears it, it is folly and shame unto him." and.. " The proverb says wise men speak knowledge. They do not belch vain opinions, which fools love to do. They study before they speak (15:28)." Now, to me, that is pretty good, PRACTICAL advice....don't you think??? (apparently not too often).....wink... However, we do share some of the same bitches about the present two main parties....but, so do I and Little Hawk...Why don't you go ask him! (sorry Little Hawk, I didn't mean to do that you... really!) OKAY...??? Now you can go 'fear and loathe' in peace!! But of course, Warmest Regards, (to such a closed minded blather-er), GfS P.S. Hope you had, at least, a slight chuckle.....before gritting your teeth) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 25 Sep 10 - 11:25 PM Bobert: "our governement has two standards... One for righties that says it's pkay to carry a weapon to a ralley where the president is to speak... The other which says it's not okay for liberals to have guns" Obama: "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" Bobert: "The second point is that there are more and more incidents of folks suggesting on the right suggesting violence" Obama: "I want you to argue with them and get in their face" Bobert: "the message that the Tea Partiers are sending is that violence is just peachy" Bobert: "To all my progressive friends: like Rap has said, buy guns, lots of ammo and learn to shoot straight 'cause these rednecks mean to kill people who ain't like them" That, my friends, is dual standards... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Slag Date: 26 Sep 10 - 12:11 AM I guess I missed the news cycle that included T-partiers with guns or advocating shootin' their perceived opposition. I guess I will have to start watching more TV (damn!). Never knew that just saying that you aren't happy with the status quo aligned you with so many down-right dangerous folks. And Strings, nothing is like anything was... that's the nature of time. Does that preclude someone from alluding to some charateristics of things past? Like a tea party where we told the English crown that we are tired of his oppression? You sure sets some awfully high standards and hoops to jump through for your opposition, don'tcha? Truth is these folks ( and they ARE folks, you know ) are just tired with the pat game both the left and the right play, especially when there isn't a dime's worth of difference between them. I mean Obama is looking more like Geo. Bush every day. "Change you can believe in!" In a pig's eye. But you all would never admit to it, would ya! Why aren't you all discussing his execution like you were doing about GW? or would that be racist? Huh? Your utter hypocracy makes me want to puke! "Red is gray and yellow, white yet we decide which is right and, which IS delusion?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 26 Sep 10 - 08:58 AM Ya' got it half right, Slagster... The Tea Party folks are tired of the left... These are the same folks who used to be John Birchers back in the 50s and 60s... Same anger... Same lack of any real ideas other than anger and hatred... BTW, these people loved George Bush... He convinced them that he was one of them... Of course, he wasn't but his PR team went out of it's way to paint him as some country-boy-hero... Which, again, he wasn't... Obama??? Nah... He's more like Bill Clinton than George Bush... He has latched onto Clinton's pragmatism which means that he understands the reality that we have a broken government that is kinda hard to drive... I mean, it's a struggle just keepin' it out of the ditches... That's more of what people are angry over... Heck, I'm angry over it, too... If we had "majority rule" in the Senate then it would work better for the American people but what we have is "minority rule" in the Senate... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Stringsinger Date: 26 Sep 10 - 01:28 PM There are similar characteristics. This is true. The Sons of Liberty ran many of what they called offenders out on a rail. The problem is that the historical parallel is not accurate. The protesters in the Tea Party are confused about who the real "enemy" is. The earlier Tea Party protesters in Colonial times knew that the "enemy" was the corporation. Tea Partiers today don't get that to their detriment. Many defend the very monolith that will ensure that they will never be satisfied. Corporations are running the government rather than the other way around. The protective agencies of the government have been corrupted by the greed and big money of Wall Street (Summers, Geithner and yes, the loyalty of his earlier financial roots, Obama). If the Tea Partiers would align themselves with the Left, they could achieve their goals easier because they would recognize that there are similar goals in common, 1. A responsive government that protects people instead of bilking them through corporative influence, 2. An anti-war strategy that would save the country over a trillion dollars, 3. A clean-up of finance reform in politics and an accurate method of avoiding corruption in the US voting process. Instead, the Tea Partiers are a reactionary force that will sometimes resort to violence out of their frustration by having no realistic goals. In this way, they might be closer to Al Quaeda with one difference. The latter has a definable goal however unrealistic it might be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 26 Sep 10 - 05:10 PM Stringsinger: "The protective agencies of the government have been corrupted by the greed and big money of Wall Street (Summers, Geithner and yes, the loyalty of his earlier financial roots, Obama)." I agree with that one, BIG TIME!! Stings: "If the Tea Partiers would align themselves with the Left, they could achieve their goals easier because they would recognize that there are similar goals in common,...." Nope...they should NOT align themselves with ANYONE, but their own core values....let the voters and history judge them, as it will. GfS P.S. Besides, the Tea Baggers very much disagree with the left. I think it is their momentum that the 'left' envies, but the 'left' fucked up, BIG TIME!!!..and have just about blown ALL their credibility.....(a few die-hards excluded, of course)!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 26 Sep 10 - 07:25 PM Tell ya' what, GfinS... The policies that the left believes in are the only policies that can move the country forward... I challenged the right here in Mudville to pick any policy they wanted to a few years back and they picked the response to Katrina... If you have a couple weeks you could read the entire "Katrinagate" thread which I started in response to a hand picked issue from the Mudville right and after 800 posts I don't I shreaded every argument they made... I will do that with any issue or policy as long as it is framed as something real... "Wanting my country back" is not an issue... It's a pep-ralley slogan which means absolutely nothing... No, what we have here is the corporation spending money like has never been spent fighting against Obma and dems... That is reality... This ain't about ideas or policies 'cause the Tea Party don't know squat about that kinda stuff... This is 100% about ther influence of money!!! Tens upon millions for community organizers and media buys... "Please don't tax our food" is the newest one that is being blasted at US every night... Who is trying to do that??? No one... But the message is clear... Who is paying for that ad??? Who knows... "Don't tax our energy because it will cost us jobs"... That one has been around for a couple months... Who exactly is trying to do that??? No one... But the message come thru load and clear... Who pays for this ad??? Who knows... What we are seeing is grand theft of the American go0vernment on a scale that has not been seen in any of our life times and maybe never... No, this ain't got one thing to do with the good government and good policy... It's all about the rich wanting to get richer!!! That is reality... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 26 Sep 10 - 10:41 PM Bobert: "Tell ya' what, GfinS... The policies that the left believes in are the only policies that can move the country forward....." Right off a cliff, with the rest of the other lemmings. Bobert: "I will do that with any issue or policy as long as it is framed as something real... "Wanting my country back" is not an issue... It's a pep-ralley slogan which means absolutely nothing..." I don't see it as merely a 'pep rally slogan'..but rather from people who recognize that government has been removed from, representing the people, and the people are being told, what they have to accept, from the dictates, of a government body, who does not represent the 'will of the people' nor are bound by the framework of its Constitution...and, the people want their country back....that's all. Bobert: "What we are seeing is grand theft of the American go0vernment on a scale that has not been seen in any of our life times and maybe never..." You got that right!!!......but you're looking one in direction, at one party, while from another direction, you're being ripped off, too. They are blindsiding you. Both parties are accomplishing the same thing, but in doing it, they just 'appeal' to two different 'mindsets'..which, by the way, they sold to you, in the first place! To the right, that 'their way' is the correct way, and the other side is the wrong way. The other side is doing the same thing..BUT, the rip off is the same! This now is so wide open, that it is beyond concealing, anymore! The Majority of people DO NOT trust our government!! Bobert: "No, this ain't got one thing to do with the good government and good policy..." CORRECT, AGAIN!.....and that 'good government' is made up, primarily, from TWO parties!!! Bobert: "It's all about the rich wanting to get richer!!! That is reality..." So, they shouldn't have the freedom, to be rich?? The problem isn't just, 'the rich', the problem is the ABUSE, of the rich, through the 'selective enforcement' of laws restricting the 'rich' to abuse, and repress the rights of those who have not risen to that level of wealth, considered rich. They do this, by CORRUPTING the process, to allow them to get away with non-enforcement of various laws, (anti trust, labor, etc etc), and preferential tax loopholes(overseas manufacturing, exemptions from those profits, etc etc). Just as corrupt, is the other side of the coin, unions, being amongst the top of the list. Not all Unions are bad. Not all the rich are corrupt....That being said, the accumulation of wealth SHOULD be based on accomplishment, not on who you can corrupt, and get away with it....for personal gain. After money, the game is for POWER..POWER to CONTROL...and to that end, comes REPRESSION, of those others, who they see as a challenge, to THEIR CONTROL. THIS is where is gets ugly.....but by the time it is at this point, laws have already been broken, secret deals made,..and it is US that gets screwed. Blaming the 'rich' or just going after the 'rich' does not cover, what you are trying to accomplish...... ......besides, ever got a job from a poor person?? No, Bobert, it really IS the corrupt ways, that this country has been operating, that has us where we are now! The only contention, is to WHO is doing it and WHY, their doing it, and what next?? ..to what end........then, how to stop it!!! Fair Enough.....(and with no insults, either). Regards, GfS P.S. If you think this was 'hostile' in any manner, whatsoever, re-read it slowly, with no projection, of ANYTHING arrogant, or argumentative. We ALL feel the same pinch! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 27 Sep 10 - 08:57 AM I understand what your interpretation of "we want our country back is, GfinS... The problem is that if you ask 100 Tea Baggers what it means you'll gat 50% who won't understand the question and of the remaining 50% you'll get 50 different answers... That is what we call moving the goal posts... No one on the left can debate 50 different answers... Should the rich have the right to be rich... Of course they should but... 1. not by cheating as Wall Street has done and gotten away with and still continues to get away with and 2. the rich shoould also pay their sahre in taxes as it relates to how much wealth they have corrled for themselves... Fact, GfinS: The tax rates on all individuals now in the US is lower than any industrialized country in the world and at a 30 year low... Fact, GfinS: The upper 5% percent has corraled 80% of the cpountry's wealth yet pays only roughly 50% of the taxes... That means that 30% of the nation's wealth is exempted... Fact, GfinS: Cutting taxes even more will contribute to the deficit unless Draconian cuts are made in spending... Fact, GfinS: All the "earmarks" that the Repubs complain about (even though they get well over half of them) don't account for even 1% of the federal budget... Fact, GfinS: There are people within the Republican Party who believe in the theory of "starve the beast" (like Bush almost did) as a strategy to kill off the New Deal... Fact, GfinS: John Beohner is from Mars... Jus' kiddin'... But, no, let's get real here... The debate right now that the needs to occur is how we get the country out of a 30 year downward spiril... We spend 17% of out GNP on health care yet are tryiong to compete with the rest of the industrialized world that averages 8% and with much better results... I mean, we don't rank in the top ten in life expectancy and we're now like 24th in infant mortality??? That won't get fixed with simplistic bumper-sticker Tea Party slogans... Our eductaional system is shot... We don't rank in the top 20 in math and science when there was a time we were 1st in both??? That won't get fixed with simplistic bumper-sticker Tea Party slogans... You can go down the list of issues and seems as if one side thinks "we want our country back" or "cut taxes" is the answer to them all... Wrongo, Mary Lou... Ain't gonna happen... Might of fact, it is not onlly childish but terribly irresponsible to propagate such nonsense... These people who are exposing these as responsible policy options should not be in a positon of leadership... They should quit... This ain't no friggin' college football game here... This is our country slowly slippin' further down and the Tea Party and the Jogn Boenhers are rearranging the deck chairs and deciding what song to play next... That, my dear, is irresonsible... Seriouis business... BTW, threatening to use 2nd ammendment remedies against people who one disagrees with is not only irresponsible but it is unAmerican, as well... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Sep 10 - 04:28 PM Bobert: "Should the rich have the right to be rich... Of course they should but... 1. not by cheating as Wall Street has done and gotten away with and still continues to get away with and 2. the rich shoould also pay their sahre in taxes as it relates to how much wealth they have corrled for themselves... Okay, that's fair. Fact, GfinS: The tax rates on all individuals now in the US is lower than any industrialized country in the world and at a 30 year low... Are you saying you want YOUR taxes to go up?? Fact, GfinS: The upper 5% percent has corraled 80% of the cpountry's wealth yet pays only roughly 50% of the taxes... That means that 30% of the nation's wealth is exempted... Those figures are a little skewed. Look at it another way, using the same numbers...5% of 'those people' are paying 50% of the taxes. Many people pay NO taxes!..and many of those people are on 'the dole'. Fact, GfinS: Cutting taxes even more will contribute to the deficit unless Draconian cuts are made in spending... Good idea!!! Fact, GfinS: All the "earmarks" that the Repubs complain about (even though they get well over half of them) don't account for even 1% of the federal budget... 1% is 1%....if that is at all true. Fact, GfinS: There are people within the Republican Party who believe in the theory of "starve the beast" (like Bush almost did) as a strategy to kill off the New Deal... I would rather see a re-structuring and better efficiency. The amount that the poor get, is LESS than the amount to administer the bureaucracy!! Bigger, wasteful government, and bigger wasteful spending, agreed? Fact, GfinS: John Beohner is from Mars... Jus' kiddin'... ...and I'm from Sanity.... Bobert: "But, no, let's get real here... The debate right now that the needs to occur is how we get the country out of a 30 year downward spiril... We spend 17% of out GNP on health care yet are tryiong to compete with the rest of the industrialized world that averages 8% and with much better results... I mean, we don't rank in the top ten in life expectancy and we're now like 24th in infant mortality??? That won't get fixed with simplistic bumper-sticker Tea Party slogans... Our eductaional system is shot... We don't rank in the top 20 in math and science when there was a time we were 1st in both??? That won't get fixed with simplistic bumper-sticker Tea Party slogans..." What I would like to see, as long as you are attacking the 'rich', is a moratorium in regards to paying the private banking concern, called 'The Federal Reserve', for all the fiat money they've printed, THROUGH THE YEARS and charged us the maximum interest rates at whatever time it was printed. Most of our tax money does not pay for services rendered by the Federal government, but rather paying off the interest on the printed, 'loaned' money!!...I mean, if you really want to go after the rich...go after the biggest schmucks of all!!! The Federal government is also W-A-A-A-Y to bloated, and grossly inefficient in regards to their entitlement programs. This cost could, and should be brought under reasonable control, to better serve the people who REALLY need the assistance....agreed? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Sep 10 - 04:41 PM GfS I think Bobert is saying that since they control MORE than 50% of the wealth, they should pay more than 50% of the taxes. But then, the bottom 50% of the population pays no ( net) taxes- thus is presumed to have control of NONE of the wealth. This works, IF we ALSO let that 5%, with control of 80% of the wealth, have 80% of the VOTES TO CONTROL HOW THAT WEALTH IS USED. As it is, they pay 50% of the taxes, and only get 5% of the votes. And the 50% that pay no (net) taxes get 50% of the votes. Seems like they do not have a stake in the game, and no reason to vote responsibly, since NONE of the wealth is in their hands, nor are they paying any (net) taxes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 27 Sep 10 - 05:22 PM Well, yeah, if 5% control 89% of the wealth then havng them pay only 50% of the taxes is a good reason why we are in a fiscal mess... That exe4mpts 30% (minimum) of wealth not being taxed... BTW, it was taxed ijn the 50's under Eisenhower and you didn't have all these rich crybabies... And, yes, I am perfectly willing to pay more taxes if it's part of reclaiming lost revenuse on the 30% exempted wealth... That alone would get our fiscal health in much better shape and create enough money to deal with the basic obligations and promises we have made to our working/middle class... As for how those tax dollars would be used??? Ain't rocket surgery... They would be used to shore up our infastructure, to provide universal health care and to get our kids better educated so we can better compete in a global economy where we are getting our asses kicked by countries that are using their taxes for exactly those purposes... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Sep 10 - 09:27 PM Bobert, there are two ways of accumulating profit, one is to charge more money, therefore raising prices, right?.....and the other is to lower your overhead. This is done, be overhauling the efficiency of any given system. I think the government could come light years, in the dealing with our tax money, honestly, and efficiently, from the ills and irresponsibility accumulated by BOTH parties through the years, through their reckless disregard, of the well-being of their constituents! Instead of rolling things BACK, both parties tend to 'play one 'upsmanship' on the party previously in power...which they feel they are ENTITLED to legislate MORE, expensive crap, because the 'other party' got such and such...and NOW its OUR turn!...Meanwhile, 'back at the homestead', we are stuck, compensating for shit passed, we didn't need in the first place!!!!.........We needed a war?????...We needed a badly flawed health care system??....We needed these gigantic 'bailouts'?....any body bailing out YOU???!!!?? Now, to pull this shit off,they have to convince YOU, that this is in your best interest, and wouldn't you like to have it??...............NO!! Before THAT, I WANT HONEST government, and a removal of every obstacle, put by you morons(meaning, out of touch politicians)..and clean up your act!! ....and quit trying to ennoble those faults, you don't wish to correct....Get the hell out of Washington!!!...In fact, a group of you jerks should be 'doin' time'!!!..Both in government, and the crooked profiteers, who control some of our corporations!!! Bobert, I think we're tugging at the same rope. As soon as you hear these yokels, trying to sell us another stupid thing, who are they selling it for????? Us to have??...or for the profits of those who payed them off? I don't want to hear about what interest they represent..I want them to represent me...the collective 'ME"....US!!...and whatever the majority of US TELL them that we want!..Not some joker, who tells us a bunch of poppycock, then changes his stripes once he/she is in office! As far as the 'Baggers', who knows what they'll do, if elected...but one thing for damn sure, both sides of the aisle better wake up, to what the people are saying, Tea Potters, or NOT! Wouldn't you agree? The Dems are scared shitless, and the Republicans are trying to co-opt them..either way, the TWO parties, in Washington, DON'T like them!!!...and are being FORCED to listen!!..GOOD..because 'We the People' are tired of listening to bullshit politicians...and crooked ones at that!! Oh well, enjoy a brew... Waving, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 27 Sep 10 - 10:43 PM Slavery was the ultimate lowering of overhead, GfinS... I got 3 son-in'laws working as slaves for corporations that recognize the "perfect storm" to bust yer employees asses and they are doing that to all 3 of P-Vine's son... And thety are not alone... The working class/middle class is gettin' a good ol' fashioned "Cool Hand Luke" ass whuppin' right now from Boss Hog... Now as to ya'lls economic theory that the government doesn't have to bailout, yes ***bailout***, our economy??? Are you out of yer mind??? If an economy goes down the crapper and rather than having 9.5% unemployment to Great Depression levels and yer president and you just sit there and watch it happen without injecting capital back into the machine then you shouldn't be in charge... Alot of this stuff is well beyond ya'lls "Welfare Cadillac" frame-of-mind, which BTW the Repubs have preached goin' back 40 years, and is just common sense running of a country... It is no secret that what broke the Great Depression was the government having to spend to pay for WW II... That economic model works... Call it socialism... Call it communism... Call it whatever you want... If the working class either won't (or in mnay cases, can't) spend and you have a 4 decade long problem in trade balance then there's only one other way to get capital into the mix to get growth... I mean no offense, ya'll, but do ya'll understand basic economics??? Now remember that "growth" is where jobs come from... And profits, too, which oughtta make ya'll happy seein' that lotta ya'll is "supply siders"... So where it maybe popular in ya'lls circles to think that the mean ol' gov-mint is out to take yer stuff and give it to, ahhhh, poor folks, that just ain't right thinkin'... (No, Boberdz... That is "right thinkin"...) Well, it's some terribly misguided thinkin'... Google up "federal government budget" and just check ou what happened to the "War on Poverty"... This a a cruelly put forth piece of right winged PR propaganda... The mean ol' gov'ment called that war off in 1996... Poverty rate been going up ever since... (Hey, Boberdz... Thems jus' lazy peoples that don't wanta work...) Oh, really??? Hold a job fair in any major city in the country and "thems jus' lazy peoples" be lined up at 4:00 in the mornin' waitin' to get in.... But I am beginning to see why so many folks are pissed off at us folks who have bothered to get a little edg-cation... I mean, we know lots of stuff and can formulate opinions based on a wide knowledge base as opposed to lotta ya'lls that run on bumper-sticker emotional beliefs... The scarey thing is that they are "beliefs"... I mean, with an absence of knowledge or the ability to find solutions to problems, I guess "beliefs" is next best??? I mean, history is littered with wars and failed countries because people lost their abilities to think in favor of emoting... B~ BTW, "bailout" is a bumper-sticker emotive buzz word... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 28 Sep 10 - 12:15 AM Terminal brain Lock! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Slag Date: 28 Sep 10 - 03:19 AM Ggfs, you nailed it in your 26 Sep 10:46 PM post and elsewhere. What I think is that there is a tunnel vision that developes on the part of some who can't seem to be able to accept that it is the majority of us that have problems with the current reigme. The so-called teas parties (plural, please note) are addressing actions that selectively target some of them and not others and yet again those from other social or economic situations are having other types of difficulties with other actions taken by this admistration. There is a reason the dissatisfaction with Obama is growing and his base is eroding. The biggest problem from my perspective is his trashing of the US Constitution, circumventing Congress (which isn't doing such a hot job either) and governing by decree (Executive Order is the "nice" language it's framed in) and it is looking about as close to a dictatorship as anything I've seen in American history, including the FDR years. And then there's the out and out robbery through deficit spending. Never forget that he who holds the debit, owns the debitor! And on and on. Yup GW was doing the same thing and I agree with you. It's not about the D and the R. If the US has learned anything this cycle, it is that NOT all "CHANGE" is neccessarily a good thing. Change for change's sake can take you in directions that are NOT beneficial to you or the country. Choose your issue. You don't have to be white or black or chicano or any other race. If there are idiots who are trying to make race an issue or who are trying to submarine legitimate descension, to hell with them. If they stand out in the crowd, then they stand for themselves. And anyone who selectively focuses on these eight-balls and tries to paint the entire effort with that one color (ie. "racist") well then they are doing the same thing they accuse the racists of doing: They are stereo-typing a really diverse group of citizens who are attempting to draw attention to real grievences. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 28 Sep 10 - 04:48 AM Now see, Bobert, There's a guy who 'gets it'! Slags, You hit the head, pretty good yourself! A couple of thoughts, I had while reading you post: "If the US has learned anything this cycle, it is that NOT all "CHANGE" is neccessarily a good thing. Change for change's sake can take you in directions that are NOT beneficial to you or the country." Hey, next time somebody runs on 'Change', (either 'side'), how about being truthful, and just tell us what that 'change' is, first!...and IF its a 'good' change, make it happen....HONESTLY, and according to the Constitution, that you swore to uphold, and abide by, because if you aren't doing that, your whole act, is suspect! Slags: "And then there's the out and out robbery through deficit spending. Never forget that he who holds the debit, owns the debitor!" I said something very similiar in another post, something like, 'Those who you are in debt to, can control you'.....and their MOTIVE IS CONTROL.....resist! Live straight up.....and I expect you to do the same....'cuz if you lose my trust, then I'm against you!...and chances are, a lot others. Slag:" The biggest problem from my perspective is his trashing of the US Constitution, circumventing Congress (which isn't doing such a hot job either) and governing by decree (Executive Order is the "nice" language it's framed in) and it is looking about as close to a dictatorship as anything I've seen in American history, including the FDR years." Absa-fucking-lutely!!!.........Did you know, as probably most others don't know, according to 'Black's Law Books', that Executive Orders, LEGALLY only apply to Washington D.C., Territories, and protectorates?...not to the 'States', unless we are in a state of emergency??....because it wasn't ratified, by the States?..nor voted on? He just signed another one, that seems to have a LOT of people concerned. I got an e-mail from somebody, and I was told to read it, a while back, but I really haven't, yet, but I got the gist of it. It's a mind blower! I should at least check it out, maybe post it........(went to find it).....Ok, I got it: Hello Everybody, "Here is another thing that Dr. Carley sent to me and I am passing along. This seems like the Other Shoe that dropped during the Oil Spill. Here is the Executive Order #13544 http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2010/pdf/2010-14613.pdf I am saddened to say that on June 10th, 2010, Obama signed Executive Order #13544 which mandates that the US is adopting Codex Alimentarius. This legislation, *originating from the United Nations*, in effect, begins a worldwide campaign for massive hunger and starvation. We fought them for 5 years and defeated them in Congress each year. We also assisted Canada over those years and were successful in defeating C.A. in Canada too. As of today, I do not know what has happened in Canada regarding this dire situation. Now, with a stroke of a pen, and quietly behind the scenes when everyone was focused on the Gulf Oil Spill, he effectively launched Codex Alimentarius in the US, which is intended to bring ALL vitamin and mineral supplements and natural health remedies and technologies to an end. The CDC and the HHS *can now make illegal*, all alternative health remedies and technologies. This bill renders all alternative health remedies "unscientific" and not provable by the FDA. This legislation is a huge step in population control, giving the pharmaceuticals full control over the health of all individuals, which is what the global socialists have wanted for years. Look up the Executive Order and read it for yourself. But use startpage.com and not Google. Google keeps records of your inquiries and sends all your inquiries to the NSA. Startpage.com does not." Haven't read Exec order, but here's the e-mail... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Slag Date: 28 Sep 10 - 07:24 AM Ggfs, I caught that on the radio the other day. It is truly mind boggeling how invasive, intrusive these dictatorial actions are becoming. Another area that is under assualt is internet privacy/telephone communication privacy. Where are all those who cried out for justice concerning Daniel Ellsberg? Where is the voice that cried out against Bush and the "Patriot Act" which was anything but patriotic? Virtual dead silence from the media, except that evil FOX News crew. You know, if it all slips away, half these seig-heilers are going to long for the days of being wage-slaves. That will be the "Good Old Days" but they'll have to whisper it because BB WILL be listening and then they will know just how far political correctness can really go! The other half? Alas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 28 Sep 10 - 08:34 AM No, GfinS... Neither you nor Slag gets it... Sorry, but you both have reduced public policy to the emotional level and not the intellectual level... But then again both of you hav e yer ears tuned into the right wing... You are "emoting" nuthin' but pure, 100% right wing bullshit that has no bearing on the survivalbility, growth or making our country more competetive in the global economy... But here is the rub... Here we have a commission on the deficits and one side, like Isreal putting down pre-conditions before they are willing to negotiate with the Palestians, ya'll righties (and quit denying it GfinS 'cuase you are clearly well on the right) want to do that before any discussion/negotiations can occur??? You and slag can deny it but it comes thru load and clear... "Trashing the constituion", Slag??? That is pure 100% unaltered right wimged, Rushed, Becked bullshit... Google up Iraq War if you wanta see some trashing of the constituion... But here ya'll in yer little circle jerk of two thinking, like are righties, that if you sing in harmony that you points will have validity??? Kinda like the goons at the town meetings last summer... But that doesn't make either of you correct... Just borish... I mean, if ya'll ever get over yer emotionalism and want to discuss stuff from your knowledge bases rather than FOX pablum, then fine... All I read ffrom eitgher one of you is the latest talking points from the far right... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Stringsinger Date: 28 Sep 10 - 03:59 PM I am saddened to say that on June 10th, 2010, Obama signed Executive Order #13544 which mandates that the US is adopting Codex Alimentarius. This legislation, *originating from the United Nations*, in effect, begins a worldwide campaign for massive hunger and starvation. We fought them for 5 years and defeated them in Congress each year. We also assisted Canada over those years and were successful in defeating C.A. in Canada too. As of today, I do not know what has happened in Canada regarding this dire situation. "Now, with a stroke of a pen, and quietly behind the scenes when everyone was focused on the Gulf Oil Spill, he effectively launched Codex Alimentarius in the US, which is intended to bring ALL vitamin and mineral supplements and natural health remedies and technologies to an end." There are many vitamin and mineral supplements and natural health remedies that are bogus and are palliatives for those who don't watch what they eat normally. Vitamins often make expensive urine. DA. "This legislation is a huge step in population control, giving the pharmaceuticals full control over the health of all individuals, which is what the global socialists have wanted for years." The FDA is pretty much controlled by the Big Pharma and I know of no socialist anywhere that wants this control. However, Big Pharma, the corporatist and capitalist monolith does want control. Socialists of any consistent stripe are opposed to this. The principle is to protect the consumer from fraudulent products but unfortunately is a tool now of Big Pharma to isolate their competition. This is a thread drift but it brings into focus that the Tea Party fears excessive regulation but what they don't get is that it's the corporations such as Wall Street, Big Pharma, the M.I.C., the Pentagon, Religious lobbies, Energy lobbies that control the lack of regulatory power they have sapped from the government. The Tea Party is blind to this fact and this is the chief cause of their dilemma. Socialists are opposed to this corporation takeover but the Tea Party supports it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 28 Sep 10 - 05:49 PM Yeah, strings, and let the next coal mine explode and bury or kill x number on miners and it will be the Tea Partiers blaming the feds for not doin' their jobs??? This is such hypocrisy... I mean, I fully understand Boss Hog's motives but I really don't think the average IQ of a Yea Partier allows them to fully understand that they are being used to support stuff that is plainly agaisnt their own best interests... I know this rightie who's dad was a close friend of ours... He had a stroke in December and she was just pissed off that Medicare would only pay for 90 days of long-term before he had to use his own resources to pay for his care... That meant that money that he had saved all his life was not going to her but to the long term care facility... She was very pissed off that Medicare has such a policy... Interpretation: I hate the government becuase my daddy can't get more of it??? If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that 90% of the Tea Party folks are just like her... Hate the government until they need it... Meanwhile, with Boss Hog grabbin' more and more there is less and less for the middle class 'cause he always gets his fill first and the middle class gets his crumbs... That is the real deal here... Thanks, strings for untanglin' the most recent BIG LIE being manufactured by the Obama haters... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: beardedbruce Date: 28 Sep 10 - 06:58 PM 500 |