BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 05:45 PM

"Have you actually read the CDC homosexual promiscuity figures?"

Have you been to any nightclub in the lsat 50 years?


"Child abuse....81% to 19%?"

81% to 19% of what?

And where does this information come from?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 06:01 PM

OK,

I've just been to the CDC site and found that they tended to investigate trends according to the following classifications: Age, Gander, Race ... no metion of sexual preference ...

... I did however find that the highest rates of STD suffering were in Teenage Girls and the next highest were young adult women ...

(Must be all those closet paedophile Gays who'll shag anything ... they did it)

There was also plenty of information about differences in sexual health for different races.

Minorities were found to be hit the hardest.

I wonder if racial minorities are closet paedophiles too .... I think we should be told ...


Hmmmmmmm ..............

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 06:19 PM

Gosh -this CDC site really is interesting ... look what I found ...

In This link, I discovered the following:

"The data also show that nongay-identified MSM are less likely than gay men to practice safer sex (CDC, 1993)."

Gosh.

Still nothing on promiscuity though ...

... best keep looking ...

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 06:31 PM

Ah now here we go ... an expose about the health Risks associated with being Gay ...

... at www.catholiceducation.org ...

I wonder if these are the same Catholics who are seemingly populated by sexually repressed closet Gay Paedophiles?


I'd Love to know ....

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 07:04 PM

I'll just post a few figures, as you seem to be unable to locate them


CDC

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 07:08 PM

As MSM, (homosexuals and bisexuals)account for only 2-3% of the population, these figures are indeed "horrendous"

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 07:54 PM

some ought to go find a copy of this old book

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 08:04 PM

Why would the CDC or Eurosurveillance wish to lie?

Here

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 08:20 PM

akenaton... "People like mauvepink and others here, see any discussion of homosexuality and its place in our society as bigotry"...

With respect: that what not what I said and it is certainly not what I think. I cannot say what others actually think as I am not blessed with mind reading abilities. There are many discussions about homosexuality, on all sorts of boards and forums, and the most are not bigoted (though bigoted comments can be found quite easily often). I think open discussion, in many things and on many subjects, is a way forward to people understanding others (if they really want to understand at all).

As for STI's and all the promiscuity. Well, figures actually also show that this is not just the domain of homosexuals. STI's affect all sexualities, genders and age groups (though some of the horrendous figures actually show up in young, straight females). STI's respect no boundaries if any sex is involved!

All I was saying, and I did say it was my opinion and not for everyone, is that homosexuality is just as much a part of human life as is blonde hair, freckles, being straight, and folk music ;-)

You do not have to agree with me: that is your right and your choice. But I do believe that being homosexual should have the same rights as those who are straight and that it is not down to choice. I think there is genetic evidence that shows it is not a lifestyle choice for most. If we concentrated more on actual human facts, and stopped blaming people for the genes they get from their parents, we could all be better off.

I also somehow think this explanation will hardly satisfy :-(

Fact is: I do not see discussion on homosexuality as always being bigoted... perhaps bigots do? I have no idea.

What really confuses me is why anyone should be upset by anyone else's sexuality unless it directly affects them?

best wishes

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 08:29 PM

"What really confuses me is why anyone should be upset by anyone else's sexuality unless it directly affects them?"

Then you must be very easily confused Mp.

I am not upset by anyones sexuality, but I do get upset when a patently unhealthy lifestyle (both physically and psychologically) is promoted in our schools and society, as safe and healthy

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 08:44 PM

Thank you for your quick reply akenaton :-)

Nopes: not easily confused unless my blonde genes kick in. Oops! Just another stereotype rattling around in my head ;-)

"I am not upset by anyones sexuality, but I do get upset when a patently unhealthy lifestyle (both physically and psychologically) is promoted in our schools and society, as safe and healthy "

You see, I don't actually come across anything patently unhealthy being promoted in our schools. I don't think sexuality is something you can promote. It's a natural trait.

But then many patently unhealthy lifestyles are out there in society, being shown as safe and healthy, and one only needs to see some of the advertising that promotes it. Being uber thin, drinking strong beers, driving cars at breakneck speeds on open roads and in towns, playing loud folk music through earphones on the latest super bass player! Put simply, I am trying to say there are many things out there that are unsafe and unhealthy and that are for many everyday lifestyle CHOICES. Perhaps we could all be better emplyed trying to change some of those things for the better instead of putting down a group of individuals in society who have no choice for who they are.

I fear we may just need to agree to disagree our own feelings on this as I can see you are as likely stuck in your own mould as I am in mine. My position/opinion is as stated and I cannot apologise for that even though it is my choice to hold it.

best wishes once again

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 09:14 PM

"I don't actually come across anything patently unhealthy being promoted in our schools. I don't think sexuality is something you can promote. It's a natural trait."

For some time now, Indonesia has been feeling the negative effects of overpopulation. A friend of mine, who has spent considerable time in Indonesia, says that the Indonesian government has actually been subtly trying to promote homosexual relationships in order to try to diminish the birth rate. My friend tells me that, so far, the effort has failed miserably.

As mauvepink says, gender orientation is a "natural trait." And there is considerable evidence of late that it is genetically determined and not simply a matter of choice.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: olddude
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 09:32 PM

If you learn to hate another group of people and you are a hate monger yourself, then of course it would upset you if our school system is teaching tolerance to others that you don't like ...

Our schools cannot teach enough good things about accepting others as far as I am concerned.   I am not gay, I am a far from it as one can get ... however, I hear this stuff all the time ... like people are somehow afraid of others with different lifestyles ... last I looked one does not "Catch gay" if that is what you are worried about ...

And somehow, gay people are the cause of moral decay in this nation.
another lie that is so stupid that it would take 1000 years to respond. People all people, are either good people, or bad people and their sex drive has nothing to do with it.   Good or bad lays in the heart of a person.   

Gay people are not Christians, another absolute stupid statement. I wish I had the faith of some of the gay people I know.   How they were made by God has nothing to do with their love for God ...

I can't talk anymore ... I am feeding trolls ...

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Simon G
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 11:02 PM

Let try another tack here.

I'm just wondering why a legislative proposal in Uganda which doesn't even come from the government is news and yet Saudia Arabia already has much more draconian legislation in place and not a peep about it. On the same vain there is an assumption running through this thread that a bunch of non-descript white guys (Ok so we don't know the Americans are white, but I bet they are in most peoples heads) can influence the government of Uganda. Do a smell the stench of rascism here?

Like most sub-saharan countries Uganda is barely hanging on by its finger nails under the pressure of our trade policy, our lack of help with AIDS, our raping the country of their natural resources, our introduction of corrupt practices. We in the West need to start playing fair with Uganda, actually we need to start being generous with them. Perhaps then they won't be tempted to pick on minorites, for picking on minorities is a symptom. Its a symptom of a society under severe pressure. Stacking up the pressure on this issue, global warming and the like simply make the problem worse.

Just remember we stacked up the pressure on German in the 1920s and we all know what the result was.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Alice
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 11:12 PM

Well, all I can say is the facts are there that the C Street politicians in The Family have influenced some Uganda politicians to join The Family. The facts are there, no assumptions, and that is behind this proposal of a law in Uganda.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Alice
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 11:26 PM

A good report on the details leading up to this Uganda proposal are on the Rachel Maddow program tonight on MSNBC. The video of that program will not be available until tomorrow. It involves the move under George Bush to change the ABC, (abstinence, be faithful, condoms) program that was working in Uganda to control aids to an Abstinence program, excluding condoms. She covers the history of funds coming from the USA, leading up to this current situation, quite well in her program tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 11:58 PM

Good gracious. All along in this thread I had been wishing for some hard evidence of the Family's hand in this and I didn't find it. I followed the link(s)- the Examiner article that was referenced is pure d baloney without more credibility than Beck at his finest.

True, it appears that several Ugandan politician belong to the Family and that they are active in espousing the stupid law but that does in no way mean that the Family itself is involved or even agrees.

I am embarrassed that Mudcatters are this gullible.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Alice
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 01:15 AM

There was an NPR interview in November regarding the connection. The Family also has other names, including "The Fellowship".

link to NPR transcript

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 01:50 AM

Well, now, that was harsh. I really meant to say that I was surprised that we took the story at face value. If I was embarrassed as well that had more to do with me than with anyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 02:35 AM

""I am not upset by anyones sexuality, but I do get upset when a patently unhealthy lifestyle (both physically and psychologically) is promoted in our schools and society, as safe and healthy""

Another blatant piece of agenda driven misinformation from the king of the misinformed.

Our schools do not "promote" homosexuality as normal, or in fact as abnormal. They inform and educate as to its existence, in exactly the way that they inform and educate as to the existence of the outside world, its cultures, religions, and moral perceptives, without ""promoting" acceptance or adherence to any of them.

No matter how many times you drag this particular red herring across the trail, you will not make your central premise valid.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 03:24 AM

"Do a smell the stench of rascism here?...."
Not necessarily Simon.... the west can be very forgiving (or silent) towards the human rights issues of a country which is the major oil supplier to the Western World - oilism maybe!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 03:50 AM

If there is a God, why did he play that dirty trick on his Chosen People, telling them to turn left when they reached the other side after he had parted the Red Sea for them? If only he had told them to turn right instead, they would have all that oil now, wouldn't they?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 04:26 AM

Thanks Ake.

I took issue with 2 comments.

1. "Have you actually read the CDC homosexual promiscuity figures?"

Neither of your links contains either the word "promiscuity" or the word "promiscuous"

2. "Child abuse....81% to 19%?"

Neither of your liinks says anything about homosexuality in relation to child abuse.

Both claims remain unsubstantiated slander.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 04:36 AM

Ebbie:"I am embarrassed that Mudcatters are this gullible."

Embarrassed??

Well Ebs, I have to agree with you on this one....I'm amazed, myself.
A lot of them act like a lynch mob, just looking for anyone ..especially anyone who displays 'reason'!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 04:40 AM

Oh yes and Ake,

You never answered my question -

"Child abuse....81% to 19%?"

81% 0f what and 19% of what?

What is this ratio?

Where does it come from?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 05:21 AM

Proof of evolution...

This thread....

It has gone from questioning the antics of some fundamentalist bigots in influencing a government all the way to questioning the statistics on homosexuality itself.

Perhaps a thread to allow people to use statistics to back up their prejudice or otherwise about Gay lifestyles would be a better place to have that discussion.

I am far more interested in how a religious faith based on love and understanding (as claimed) can be interpreted to hate a chosen lifestyle? To the point of trying to get in Africa what they can't get in The USA! (Mind you, many states do execute prisoners, so I do accept the term "civilised" may mean something different either side of the pond....)

There are also those who set out to say that if you disagree with their faith, you are the usual suspects, setting out to put religion down.

Yup, guilty as charged! If you can't win an argument with facts, don't try to win by questioning people's right to say the Emperor has no clothes, (or big white beard....)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: ToeRag
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 05:53 AM

Of the 53 Commonwealth member states, over 40 still criminalise same-sex relations, mostly under anti-gay laws that were originally imposed by the British government in the nineteenth century, during the period of colonial rule.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 07:17 AM

"It has gone from questioning the antics of some fundamentalist bigots in influencing a government all the way to questioning the statistics on homosexuality itself."

This is a phenomenon which I have also observed on other threads that you may need to get used to.

"Perhaps a thread to allow people to use statistics to back up their prejudice or otherwise about Gay lifestyles would be a better place to have that discussion."

I have learned that such an expectation is unrealistic.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 08:39 AM

Glad somebody thinks it is unrealistic. Judging by some of the posts, it would appear otherwise.

ToeRag starts to make a good point about Commonwealth countries having anti Gay laws that started with Colonial penal codes. However, I wouldn't go as far as to blame Great Britain for their retention.

We taught the rest of the world how to divide and conquer, the benefits of winning arguments by tying people to the mouths of cannons and how to increase productivity with bullwhips. It was a popular form of government, not just us...

Mind you, if we were a less interfering nation and more benevolent, the Irish song tradition would have a gaping hole in it's heritage.....

Pip Pip

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 09:05 AM

"oilism" = great term!

That could be a subject in itself, as to how many countries turn a blind eye to certain 'allies' who have oil and a terrible human rights record, while deposing other nations who, while certainly not innocent of human rights crime, are very much less involved in the oil politics 'game'.

In reality it matters not a jot WHO is killing and putting down people for being different than the majority population: they are killing under some banner or other that appears to add legitimacy to the act. It's still wrong.

I would like to think that teaching tolerance - and, even better than that, ACCEPTANCE - is the proper way forward in finally ridding the us of all the various hate messages. Hate can become a lifestyle simply because people choose to follow it's message and principle. It is often based on ignorance and fear (and some of that fear comes from within the person themselves of knowing what they are and not being able to change it). But there are many out there who are good at using that ignorance and fear toward their own agendas. It is comforting to see that most of the posters on this thread, and others like it, do not fall for it :-)

Tolerance, acceptance, love. Three ginormous words that are not easy to live by - and I have had my slippage moments along with most - but at least something we can try and aspire to.

On that note I'll shush!

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Simon G
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 10:28 AM

I like oilism, but how about oilophilia, its our lust for oil the allows us to blinkered to the nature of the people supplying it. Having said that I don't believe that marching across the globe punishing people for not falling into line with us, isn't the way to go.

It is difficult enough to practice acceptance (as per mauvepink) on an individual level. Jesus was right in that the only way to make it work is to love others as yourself; acceptance on its own doesn't survive long. It may come as a shock to some who tout Jesus's name but he was quoting Leviticus, just a few verses from the verse singled out to support punishment of homosexuals.

We seem to find it next to impossible to act with anything other than self interest when we form into groups, particularly when the group is called a country and has a government. We need to change our expectations of governments, perhaps then governments would act differently. What we have know is the alternative were power is everything and the power of the West is a mighty fist which stamps its self-interest on the rest of the globe. This discussion maybe in a good cause, but from a Ugandan perspective I would suggest it is part of the mighty fist, maybe a very small part.

Better to ask ourselves what we can do for Uganda and its people to allow them to move to a place were this proposed legislation is unacceptable to them. If we loved them as ourselves then they would be in a very different place than they are now.

Simon

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: ToeRag
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 10:33 AM

And now we have to consider, how we are to set about seeing this.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 10:53 AM

All good points Simon. And, ToeRag, maybe it has already begun. Maybe we are already seeing it start.

Edmung Burke said "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" and so any start toward changing things and highlihgting hate has to be a start. Education has to be a good start as if you can get rid of some of the ignorances surrounding some of the hate and fear then things can change quite rapidly. Sadly that kind of change can also be resited by those with other agendas.

I would like to think we are seeing the start of seeing this better world unfold, slow though the process is...

Maybe I have to believe that or it all becomes so hopeless a picture

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 02:27 PM

Lox, I linked Christians with homophobes because, if you read the report, it is a Christian movement which is calling for the ultimate legal penalty to be applied to homosexuals. That's homophobic enough for me. What disappoints is that for some of you, the self- assumed tag "Christian" puts them beyond criticism.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Alice
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 02:41 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulojORxW5XI

Excerpt video of the program last night with the description of how the Aids legislation with funding under Bush was changed (away from condoms) and how The Family is connected to Uganda activism of US religious conservatives and the issue of Aids (public bonfires of condoms and anti-gay preaching).

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 03:24 PM

MP....I notice you left smoking out of your list of unhealthy things to do on a wet sunday afternoon! :0)

Now smoking has a marked effect on life expectancy......it shortens life considerably, but not nearly as much as homosexual practice.

We are taking steps to change peoples behaviour regarding smoking, in the interests of smokers health and the health of society at large.
We have even gone so far as to criminalise certain aspects of being a smoker, yet we remain silent about a sexual behaviour which shortens life by around 20 years, increases the incidence of STDs like sphyllis and HIV/AIDS dramatically; and seems linked in studies to the sexual abuse of teenage boys.

Go figure! and best wishes to you...sincerely....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 03:51 PM

Hello Lox.....I heard there had been a severe outbreak of civility in your area...looks like you've caught it mate :0)
Never mind I'm sure you'll be back to normal before long.

The percentage reference was from the Irish child abuse thread.
There was a similar case in America in 2004 where Catholic priests had been abusing children.
The victims of abuse were 81% boys to 19% girls. Most of these boys were between 11 and 16 years of age.

Would you like me to draw any pictures?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,maivepink
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 03:57 PM

Alas, the fact remains that homosexuality is not a choice. That said, there are lots of health education programmes out there for all sexualties about how to decrease risky practices and practice safe sex. Straight people are not immune to STI's and shorter lives. Just like there are programmes to help people stop smoking.

TBH I totally never thought to include smoking as, here in the UK, advertising is banned and it is not promoted as a lifestyle. Smokers still have a choice however.

I dare say we could debate this whole topic and you will stay where you are with it and I will stay where I am. As I said: I think we need to agree to disagree but I do think I have a certain amount of facts on my side to show it is not down to choice. Risk assesments apply to all sorts of things in life, sexuality being one of them, and believe it or not, more women die in childbirth than do of AIDS/HIV I suspect. And, of course, many children will die before they even get to express a sexuality by not reaching puberty because of all sorts of horrid things. Those are the real iniquities I think we all need to concentrate on. There are enough real iniquities without making some up for groups we may not agree with.

The sad truth too is that most of those children too will have no choice in how they live or die :-(

Trying to make homosexuals into some disease ridden population who all have short life expectancy for their sexuality is as perverse to me as blaming those children for feeling so hungry. However, most would understand hunger pangs (not the same as the starving children of course) and not condemn themselves for feeling it.

Have a good weekend

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 04:16 PM

"Trying to make homosexuals into some disease ridden population who all have short life expectancy for their sexuality is as perverse to me as blaming those children for feeling so hungry. However, most would understand hunger pangs (not the same as the starving children of course) and not condemn themselves for feeling it."

I'm afraid I can make no sense of that statement MP, would you rather deny the evidence?

The American homosexuals who wish to "own Aids", have accepted the statistics and are trying to bring about a proper medical study of homosexual practise Aids do not bury their heads in the sand....or clouds. They are brave and clear sighted, although their actions are condemned by "liberals" who's political agenda would be in danger by such action.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 05:29 PM

Thanks Ake,

I went to the other thread to find this statistic to which you referred.

The only mention of the figures you put forward was a post written by ... er ... you ...

Interesting aproach.

Make a "factual" claim in two threads, and then if someone askes you for a citation for the claims in one, point them towards the other.

That way you are your own source.

But lets entertain your imaginary stats for a minute anyway just for fun.

It seems that you are saying that amongst Priests and alter boys, and amongst priests teaching in all boys schools, it was apparently found that the majority of the priests were men and the majority of slter boys and pupils at boys schools were boys.

Now I see it!

So homosexuals really are all closet paedophiles ... well I never ...

In the meantime, there remains no evidence that Homosexuals are any more promiscuous than anyone else.

In other words, your whole argument that Homosexuals are more promiscuous and harbour secret lusts for children, rests on the high proportion of Aids casualties amongst homosexuals.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 05:31 PM

Oh and by the way, Yes I'd love it if you'd drew a picture - if only out of curiosity to see what kind of picture you might draw.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 05:40 PM

There's a really fierce echo in here!

Akenaton has tried to peddle all this same misinformation before, on other threads. I'd say he's obsessed with the subject.

Interesting. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 07:23 PM

My My desperation has certainly set in!
Lox the child abuse figures are not mine, but come from the "John Jay Report", a study into "Abuse of minors by priests of the catholic church in the US" by the John Jay College of criminal justice.
Figures are widely available showing much higher numbers of sexual partners among homosexuals than among heterosexuals

Don, you are an idiot....when are you going to stop making that stupid analogy, I have no tendencies towards homosexuality, I dont want to criminalise homosexuals, I dont hate, fear or distrust homosexuals. They have my sympathy, they need help coping with their health problems, they need psychiatric help with their sexual problems...help they will never get from the Mudcat lynch mob.

My motivation for contributing to these threads, is to try to show that the promotion of homosexuality as "just another kind of loving" is dangerously misguided.
The figures are there for all to see....or to ignore...and at the moment they are being ignored by most people, most importantly the "liberal" media.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 07:36 PM

Yeah, yeah, yeah. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 11:53 PM

Hey, Ake! Did you know that authorities used to tell adolescents that masturbation makes you go blind?

Add that to your list of crawling horrors.

Don Firth

P. S. "Idiot," eh? Better be careful using words like that in reference to those with whom you disagree or you are laible to have Little Hawk "tut tut tutting" all over you!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 03:33 AM

Don..We are not "disagreeing" over whether or not I have homosexual tendencies; you are simply making a statement which you have no way of substanciating and which is quite untrue.

A personal smear,in other words.

I apologise for the use of the word "idiot", an idiot would not be devious enough to use such tactics.   :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 04:02 AM

"they need psychiatric help with their sexual problems..."
Now there's a trip down Memory Lane - if you want to visit The Stone Age.
The last individual I heard utter this anachronism was an Irish priest - I'm not sure whether he has been named in the current child abuse scandal.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 05:06 AM

Interesting that there is a lot of support for the kind of ideas that Ake advances ... in the catholic church ...

... ok ... I'll go and find this john jay report to see what it is talking about.

I wonder if it will show that Gays are all closet paedophiles.

I wonder if I should run a book ...

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: ToeRag
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 05:19 AM

Well, it is rather a wild idea, certainly; but, as you say, one has the option of believing it or not, as one likes!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 05:53 AM

Ah yes here we go ...

.. you mean the 2004 report that was commissioned by the US conference of Catholic Bishops as part of a "Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People".

It is quite a comprehensive report indeed.

The catholic church seem to have done a good job.

Oh yes - I nearly forgot.

It at no point asserts in any way that the priests had a preference for boys.

It does state that 81% of the victims were boys.

Abuse tended to happen mainly in the Priests private residence where the vistims parents trusted they would be safe.

Ake, do you know what children Priests have contact with?

they have contact with Altar Servers, school pupils and youth club attendees.

Do you know how many Altar servers are Girls?

I'll tell you - until 1994 Girls were not allowed to serve at the altar.

And as Smokey pointed out in another thread, girls tend to be mentored and taught by nuns and their activities tend to be run by nuns.

So who is most likely to end up in the circumstances described in the john jay report - Girls or boys?

Who do paedophile priests have access to?


Shall I draw you a picture?


Its like doing the pepsi challenge when there's only pepsi available.

You actually end up not knowing anything about peoples preference.


And your assertions and slander that all homosexuals are more promiscuous than anyone else and that they are all closet paedophiles remain unsubstantiated.