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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 10 Dec 09 - 03:48 PM You are right, Amos. My intention here, obviously, was to answer GfS's slanders (actually libel, since it is in written form), but I figure that this thread, like the other one, has pretty well passed its "sell-by" date, having developed a really bad smell. The issue raised in the opening post is hardly being discussed anymore. It's just GfS and Ake, as usual (plus a few stragglers), using this thread, basically, for gay-bashing. And gnu is right also. Trolls will be trolls, and this thread has basically degenerated into a flame war. I will no longer lower myself to argue with the likes of GfS. I declare—blanketly—that since all GfS really knows about me comes from his/her fetid imagination, anything derogatory that s/he says about me from here on is a lie and should simply be ignored Goodbye, folks. Have fun. I have serious work to do and a lot of music to make. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: akenaton Date: 10 Dec 09 - 04:01 PM You know very well Amos, that humans do not have the "right" to choose and marry anyone they please. But other than that I tend to agree with you that this thread has descended into a sort of mad hate fest. The original question was "should Homosexuals face the death penalty", i have seen no one advocate such a course of action here regardless of how we feel about the homosexual lifestyle. The history of homosexuality,homosexual risk taking and promiscuity, incidents that I have witnessed in my life concerning homosexual child abuse and various statistics(like the ones citing priest abuse and others) have led me to the view that male homosexuals have a much stronger propensity to the abuse of pubescent teenagers than heteros. Another poster made the very good point, that all men may have a propensity to the abuse of children, but the family structure and the siring and protection of their own children keeps that propensity in check. I am speaking here in very general terms....of course there are exceptions in both directions, but in discussions on these subjects, generalisations must always suffice if we are to get anywhere near the truth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Dec 09 - 09:21 PM Hey! Pay attention to paragraph #7!!!!!! Web address at bottom! Vermont court disputes Virginia ruling on lesbian custody fight Updated 8/4/2006 1:07 PM ET E-mail | Save | Print | Subscribe to stories like this MONTPELIER, Vt. (AP) — The state Supreme Court ruled Friday that Vermont courts, and not those in Virginia, have exclusive jurisdiction over a case involving two women battling for custody of a child they had while they were in a lesbian relationship. The unanimous ruling conflicts with a series of decisions in Virginia, where courts ruled the state's anti-gay marriage laws controlled the case. Justice John Dooley wrote that Vermont civil union laws govern the women's 2003 separation and subsequent child custody disagreement because they were legally joined in a civil union there in 2000. "This is a straightforward interstate jurisdictional dispute over custody, and the governing law fully supports the Vermont court's decision to exercise jurisdiction and refuse to follow the conflicting Virginia visitation order," Dooley wrote. Vermont became the first state in the nation to recognize same-sex couples' relationships in 2000, enacting a civil union law. Connecticut is the only other state with such a law and whether such relationships would be recognized in other states has been a matter of litigation. Lisa and Janet Miller-Jenkins were Virginia residents in 2000 when they traveled to Vermont to join in a civil union. Lisa Miller-Jenkins conceived a child through artificial insemination while the couple was together, and they eventually moved to Vermont. About a year later, Lisa Miller-Jenkins, RENOUNCED HER HOMOSEXUALITY, returned to Virginia and denied Janet Miller-Jenkins' demands for visitation rights. They were granted a dissolution of their civil union and Lisa Miller-Jenkins filed for full custody. A Vermont Family Court judge gave Janet Miller-Jenkins temporary visitation, prompting Lisa Miller-Jenkins to file for full custody in Virginia courts. The Vermont Supreme Court ruled in favor of Janet Miller-Jenkins on the visitation dispute. The court also upheld a decision by Vermont Family Court refusing to abide by a Virginia decision giving Lisa Miller-Jenkins full custody, and a contempt order against her for failing to abide by the Vermont visitation order. A lawyer representing opponents of same-sex marriage said the dispute undoubtedly will have to be resolved by the U.S. Supreme Court. "It's a classic conflict between two states over same-sex unions," said Mathew Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, which is representing Lisa Miller-Jenkins, one of the women in the dispute. "The real question there is whether or not a state can have its own policy that does not accept same-sex unions or whether they have to accept the union of another state." Don't believe me now?????? Hey Don, hope you're reading! Were their civil rights denied? How come you can denounce your genes? Time to re-think some errors in your thinking? http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-04-lesbian-custody_x.htm |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 10 Dec 09 - 09:28 PM Smedley, thank you for answering my question(s). I really do appreciate it. You have at once given an answer to part of the problem and also pointed toward a solution. Please keep well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Amos Date: 10 Dec 09 - 10:48 PM Gee Ake, you offer an interesting conclusion. Seems it would be best, then, to extend the familial structure created by marriage to include same-sex couples to afford the same socializing influence to them, eh? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,TIA Date: 10 Dec 09 - 11:55 PM With the help of our resident counselor, I have just come out of the closet. Now I will be able to honestly be sexually atttracted to women. With the help of counsel, I now realize that I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body. Thank you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Ebbie Date: 11 Dec 09 - 12:11 AM lol So sad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Donuel Date: 11 Dec 09 - 12:18 AM Rick Stevens and Inhoff have today said they do not support the pending legislation to execute homosexuals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Peace Date: 11 Dec 09 - 12:30 AM "999, do you think Gays are closet paedophiles? Ake does." I'm quite sure some gays ARE closet paedophiles. Just as are some 'straights'. That said, I don't speak for Ake. Ake speaks for Ake. Period. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 11 Dec 09 - 01:58 AM TIA:"With the help of our resident counselor, I have just come out of the closet. Now I will be able to honestly be sexually attracted to women." You already are attracted to women...so much, maybe you wanted to BE everything they weren't to you. Wink, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie Date: 11 Dec 09 - 04:09 AM Akenaton points out that nobody in this thread has come out in favour of the subject ie., death penalty for homosexuals. Good point. But plenty have come out saying that it is wrong to physically love somebody of the same gender. So in a way, plenty have come out in favour of the rationale. Just they haven't the guts, courage of conviction or honesty to support the Ugandan solution. Perhaps there is something they should be telling themselves at the very least? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Jim Carroll Date: 11 Dec 09 - 04:16 AM Back to the old point; paedophelia is not by any means a predominantly gay crime - nobody exept the homophobes have ever suggested it was. On the other hand rape is almost exclusively a hetrosexual crime - does that tell us anything about either sexual orientation? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: MGM·Lion Date: 11 Dec 09 - 05:56 AM I can remember plenty of cases of homosexual rape being reported over the years, Jim — not as many as hetero ones, but a fair number just the same. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,TIA Date: 11 Dec 09 - 07:58 AM This'll be fun. What weren't they? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Bobert Date: 11 Dec 09 - 08:29 AM Well, sheet fire... Looks as I've missed out on all the fun here but, hey, let's get real here fir just one danged minute... Hey, if God Hisseff wanted us to be queers then he woulda but that in ther Bible somewhere... You know, like "Thou shalt be be queers"... Right??? (spit) But he didn't so let's take up this proposed law about killin' queers... Where is that law anyway??? Alabam is my first guess but might as well be in some Afercan country, I donno... If the folks in Alabama wanta kill the queers, hey, I'd say that the queers oughtta not wait fir that law to take effect.... Heck, no... They oughtta go where folks loves queers, like Washington, D.C.... Seems every time ya' turn around there's some Congressman who been caught in one of them wide stance situations and so let the Alabama queers go up there... Right??? (spit) What else??? Oh, yeah... Families... I heard there is this joint in D.C. where "The Family" hangs out and they trade girlfirends and boyfriends like they was baseball cards... See ehat I mean??? The wierd thing about The Family is that they is all behind killin' queers... But then word on the street is that these folks will take a poke at anything with a pulse... What is that??? Sopunds lot like queers to me... (spit) Lastly and finally... I been havin' these thoughts about all these commonists who want to take away my guns and make my kids marry queers and I reckon if yer gonna kill the queers then ya' might as well just go ahead and kill these commonists while yer at it 'er they'll sho nuff grow you another batch of queers and then you'll have to start all over... Right??? (spit) And lastly, maybe we shouldn't even worry so much about queers since they really is just people who the commonists turned into wide stancers... Maybe we should just kill the commonists... Then we wouldn't have to worry about them makin' new queers and takin' our guns away... Yeah, that's a much better ideaz... (spit) Get 'er done, Rufus Tompkins |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: MGM·Lion Date: 11 Dec 09 - 10:06 AM I presume the two posts since my last are comprehensible to whoever posted them & were intended to make some communication. They are completely opaque to me. Please don't trouble to explain: it really doesn't matter in the least. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Paco O'Barmy Date: 11 Dec 09 - 02:51 PM Only Chinese laundry laundrymen should Lift Shirts!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 11 Dec 09 - 03:03 PM Let's try this again, just to see if it penetrates some of the denser skulls: Pedophilia = sex with children. Not hard to understand, right? Homosexuality = sex with same gender. Also not to hard to understand. Those who have sex with the same gender children, are homosexual pedophiles. Those who are defenders of homosexuality, perhaps because they are homosexual themselves, are deluding themselves, to not call a spade a spade. Of course not all pedophiles are homosexual, but that does not excuse those who are. Likewise, those who are heterosexual pedophiles, are, indeed, child rapists. This is not rocket science, rocket men! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: gnu Date: 11 Dec 09 - 03:14 PM Ake... "Another poster made the very good point, that all men may have a propensity to the abuse of children,..." That is totally fucked up. Seriously, that is just fucking warped. I have checked in on this thread as I did the last one, but it is DEFINITELY time to leave the trolls and the worthless inane posts alone. Let this thread and the shite therein fade away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Paco O'Barmy Date: 11 Dec 09 - 03:15 PM Why not hang them all? Then I wouldn't have to waste £64 on a fxxking CRB check just to work in Schools!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: frogprince Date: 11 Dec 09 - 03:29 PM I don't think anyone here would deny that there is such a thing as a homosexual pedophile. And there is no way that anyone here would excuse a pedophile's actions because he is homosexual. But are there any real statistics clarifying: What percent of known male pedophiles have a clear preference for boys? What percent of them have a clear preference for girls? What percent will gladly settle for whatever child is available? I suspect that it would be more than a little difficult to obtain and sort that data in a reliable fashion; but if we had it in hand, it could help put some of this in perspective one way or another. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 11 Dec 09 - 04:04 PM Froggers, I think there were some stats on another thread, which was dealing with pedophile priests, and those stats are overwhelming, in favor of homosexual pedophiles, in the Catholic priesthood. That being said, I don't think anyone has posted anything in regards to outside of those particular clergy. You might look up NAMBLA(North American Man Boy Love Association), who is an organization for homosexual men, trying to get 'civil rights' to young boys, because of discrimination, due to their age. Their motto is,"Sex before eight, before it's too late". By the way, I can't recall any other group of sexual oriented people who have such an organization. Perhaps, it's just a co-incidence that it is MAN/BOY(?). If I have the time, and/or inclination, I can find an address for you. Though, psychologically there are similarities in their make-up, I don't have any stats in front of me. I posted the similarities on the first thread about the pedophile priests, but I think Joe has replaced it with another thread. Again, those similarities were dealing with the pedophile priests, who took a vow of celibacy, and not all pedophiles, homo or hetero. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Lox Date: 11 Dec 09 - 04:10 PM "Froggers, I think there were some stats on another thread, which was dealing with pedophile priests, and those stats are overwhelming, in favor of homosexual pedophiles, in the Catholic priesthood." "I think" i.e. "I haven't a clue if there are any or not" In fact, there are none. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: akenaton Date: 11 Dec 09 - 04:25 PM As usual frogprince, you ask very pertinent questions. questions I have been asking for some time, but the answers do not appear to be in the public domain. I will ask another pertinent question, would publication of the answers be an infringment of the the human rights of paedophiles? We live by the rules of the madhouse. I believe that very few paedophiles would be interested in children whom they were not sexually orientated towards. I knew a homosexual who lived in a sham marriage.....the couple fostered children near to where I live, they fostered mainly boys of about my own age. All the boys were abused by the paedophile, but neither of the little girls were touched. Also homosexual paedophile rings which have been in the UK papers lately and included in their number one of the leading British "Gay" activists, abused exclusivly boys. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 11 Dec 09 - 04:38 PM ""Being African is not behavioural and catagorising them in this way would is racist"" Being gay is not behavioural and categorising them in this way is HOMOPHOBIC, and YOU should be ashamed of yourself. ""You just brush off Keith's figures as if they didn't exist, although they support everything I have been saying about the need to have greater control over the disease. Worse.....You attempt to turn these figures into a stupid, witless joke"" Just as YOU brush off the plethora of facts and figures which have been quoted, which disagree with your hard wired, bull headed, NEED to debase and denigrate gays. If anything here is a stupid witless joke it is your attitude toward a group of people who cause you no harm or inconvenience, and the majority of whom have no knowledge of your existence. I can't help thinking that they are more lucky than we are. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Smedley Date: 11 Dec 09 - 04:56 PM Child abuse cases where boys are victims frequently get more coverage in the media (certainly in Britain) than cases where the victims are girls. It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that male victims are seen as more newsworthy because in a patriarchal culture like ours, boys are more highly valued, so their abuse is more shocking. In other words, even in an area such as child abuse, sexism rules the roost. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 11 Dec 09 - 05:05 PM Smedley - yes good point. The 'seduction' of an underage girl, seems to attract less condemnation that the 'sodomy' of an underage boy. While the deflowering of virgin girls ("jail-bait", "nearly-legal", "Fruit-vert") has ever been casually perceived as a desirable & understandable manly enterprise, the sodomising of young males has been deemed quite the opposite. In fact, once at least, there was the presumption that somehow male rape (man or boy) was far more disturbing for a male, than it could possibly be for a female (as women like men, so being raped by one would be nearly like having sex). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: akenaton Date: 11 Dec 09 - 05:05 PM Interesting ,if highly debatable Smedley. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 11 Dec 09 - 05:07 PM ""Of course not all pedophiles are homosexual, but that does not excuse those who are. Likewise, those who are heterosexual pedophiles, are, indeed, child rapists. This is not rocket science, rocket men!"" Significant omission there GfS. You just couldn't bring yourself to add the other side of the coin, could you? So I'll do it for you NOT ALL HOMOSEXUALS ARE PAEDOPHILES!!! YOUR agenda is very plain to see, and with every twist of the truth you make your bigotry more obvious. God help the unfortunates who find themselves being counselled by possibly the most vicious, bigotted, hateful, and incompetent carer in the business. Don T |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Smedley Date: 11 Dec 09 - 05:11 PM Feel free to debate it, Ake. Some 9not all) of your posts strike me as exemplifying the point I made, namely that the abuse of boys is an issue that causes greater alarm. Would I be wrong in thinking that you thought this ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: akenaton Date: 11 Dec 09 - 05:56 PM You would indeed Smedley, I am disgusted by the abuse of children of either gender. But we are at the moment, discussing homosexuality. I also think that human "morality" is a very thin veneer indeed Heteros and homos abuse children, but I feel the family structure and the production of offspring has a profound effect on the sexual behaviour of heters......in general terms. As I said on another thread, it appears that homos have thrown away natures rule book....and there is a rule book no mmatter how often it is denied; unwritten, but still valid after ??million years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Amos Date: 11 Dec 09 - 07:37 PM How, then, do you account for the frequent cases of homosexual conduct amongst animals in nature, Ake? All this, though is besides the point. I agree completely with you that HIV should be eradicated. I agree that completely with you the abuse of others, especially the young, is abhorrent. I agree completely with you that homosexual is not personally attractive to either of us. I also submit, however, that homosexuality is not sufficient grounds to deny an individual the right to marry as he pleases and that the same legal coverage afforded to heterosexual marriages should be extended to all humans regardless of sexual preference. This however does not shelter anyone from the consequences of crimes, which are covered under criminal justice. What we are talking about here is the curtailment of civil rights under the law. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Jim Carroll Date: 11 Dec 09 - 09:11 PM "but I feel the family structure and the production of offspring has a profound effect on the sexual behaviour of heters......in general terms." Not sure what 'heters' is, but surely it depends on the family. Would that include the father that was found guilty of raping his daughter for six years that was reported in today's paper, not an uncommon occurrence in some families apparently? "homos have thrown away natures rule book" Can I buy a copy of this on Amazon - or are you selling them from home? Another step out of the closet - keep going and you'll get there. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 11 Dec 09 - 11:04 PM Sorry, forgot to sign in The brilliant Don T writes:"Significant omission there GfS. You just couldn't bring yourself to add the other side of the coin, could you? So I'll do it for you NOT ALL HOMOSEXUALS ARE PAEDOPHILES!! GfS:Never said or implied they were. That's just your preconceived notion of what you (almost) think I said, or mean. Don:"YOUR agenda is very plain to see, and with every twist of the truth you make your bigotry more obvious." GfS:Truth?? You actually know the truth?..Ok, what is it? Don:"God help the unfortunates who find themselves being counselled by possibly the most vicious, bigotted, hateful, and incompetent carer in the business." GfS: Oh here comes the bigoted bullshit again, something that is thrown around when you have no FACTS to back it up! Being gay is not behavioural and categorising them in this way is HOMOPHOBIC, and YOU should be ashamed of yourself. GfS:You must have missed my post, about the lesbians, and the child custody battle..scroll down its there, complete with link to the article. OH, and the rest of your blather about it not being behavioral..PROVE your statement, or shut up! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Amos Date: 11 Dec 09 - 11:17 PM The truth is that sexual orientation is a complex condition and is not an individual choice (except in the purest most metaphysical sense that existence itself is). The truth is that marriage is a social convention built solely on agreements made among humans. The truth is that hatred of humans by category is a toxic behavior pattern. The truth is that civil justice works when it is uniformly applied, and when not, not. Any other questions? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 11 Dec 09 - 11:38 PM Nope. But this has nothing to do with the price of eggs! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 12 Dec 09 - 12:43 AM Just casually passing through and thought I'd drop this off. big•otprej•u•dice Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin praejudicium previous judgment, damage, from prae- + judicium judgment Date: 13th century 1 : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims. 2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics.Carry on. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 12 Dec 09 - 04:01 AM Don:"Function: noun Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot Date: 1660 : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance." On that subject you ARE an expert. By the way, since when, on what post did I ever indicate I hated them??? I think you've misunderstood me, ever since the Prop 8 thread. Just because I have an understanding on what homosexuality is, and what it is not, doesn't mean I have any hatred at all, of them... I just think the people making it something that it isn't, and turning into something its not, are far more obnoxious...and then give lame, semi-literate diatribes, with no supporting FACTS, never studied, about human behavior, and use that to justify their own guilt and delusions....That's what you've mistaken for 'hatred' of them! But then, it's all about you. Most of the 'learned opinions' that have come at me, have come from completely uneducated ideologues, whose closest they've got to a classroom, is when they were trying to play at the 'Stu U', for tips, while trying to figure out the secret chord progression of Neil Young! .......then come on here, and try too hard, to be tragically hip! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Lox Date: 12 Dec 09 - 05:35 AM "You would indeed Smedley, I am disgusted by the abuse of children of either gender. But we are at the moment, discussing homosexuality." Oh - but Ake, it was you who brought Child abuse into this discussion not Smedley. Ducking out again I see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Lox Date: 12 Dec 09 - 05:46 AM And you point was tat one of your issues with homosexuals is that they have a natural propensity to abuse children. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,mauvepink Date: 12 Dec 09 - 08:04 AM I have found the following link on the internet that is more than interesting. Paedophilia and Homosexuality points to the observation generally that homosexual males are no more likely to target boys than anyone other sexuality. Homosexuality and homosexual pedophilia are very different things. The figures saying that homsosexual males make up a high percentage of paedophiles has come about erroneously in many 'studies' as the observation of them being homosexual at all is has been a self assessment. I suspect many paedophiles, given the choice of calling themselves homsosexual or an outright paedophile, will call themselves homosexual. That does not mean they are homsosexual. Studies on the whole subject are rare and, personally, if the actual ethics of carrying out such a study could be sorted, I think it could finally dispell the mythical connection between normally orientated homosexual males and paedohilia. The figures are also messed up by the amount of men out there who are married to women but predate on young men/boys. If you have the time try and read the whole peice as there are lots of anomalies but the important thing that comes across - that is pointed to - is that the vast majority of male homosexuals are just that. Male homosexual and not paedoophiles. It's another myth that needs getting rid of. Lest we forget, the whole abuse thing is not just about sexual abuse either in my eyes. Sexual or physical abuse are often one and the same to a victim. Abuse is abuse. Thousands of girls have been abused in care too, which is seldom mentioned, and suffered under draconic rules and punishments. Abuse, paedohilia and rape are all centred on power and control. The sexual aspects of some of these crimes are just one part of the whole thing. It's not always about sex but it is always about power. On to families. Sadly, one has to remember that most abused children actually know their abuser. I think statistically the figures suggest that a child is far more at risk from someone within their family than they are from a stranger. That also goes for domestic abuse (naturally) and abuse of older people. There is nothing liberal in these figures. What is called for is a major study into true abuse of all kinds and, far from just pointing fingers, it should be done to highlight those at risk and those most likely to commit the offence. Just appointing scapegoats is not an option and never should be. mp |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: frogprince Date: 12 Dec 09 - 10:06 AM "homosexual men were no more aroused by pictures of boys than landscapes (Freund, 1963)." Golly, that goes to show you that a homosexual male is so messed up that if he can't get a little boy he's apt to hump a tree! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Jim Carroll Date: 12 Dec 09 - 10:14 AM "By the way, since when, on what post did I ever indicate I hated them???" Something about hitting people with purses wasn't too bad a hint I'd say, wouldn't you? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Jim Carroll Date: 12 Dec 09 - 10:26 AM Or are we confusing hatred with contempt? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 12 Dec 09 - 12:50 PM Jim:"Or are we confusing hatred with contempt? Jim Carrol" Who knows? but one thing for sure..you have it right.....you're confused. Perhaps, the speck is in your own eye! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: gnu Date: 12 Dec 09 - 01:15 PM I see the feeding frenzy continues. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 12 Dec 09 - 02:30 PM Long article, but well worth it. FYI Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 12 Dec 09 - 02:49 PM Another excellent article. Very informative. FYI-2 Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 12 Dec 09 - 03:10 PM Don, FINALLY you have posted a reasonably intelligent post! I'll comment on it more, when I have just a bit more time, but at present, I had to put off a couple of things to read it. As soon as I'm free, I'll go though a couple of things with you on it. I may surprise you....(again?) Regards, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Amos Date: 12 Dec 09 - 03:15 PM GfS: 1. Do you believe that all homosexuality is based on an individual decision? If not, does it come from a genetic quirk? Something else? 2. Do you believe lesbians and male homosexuals are suffering from the same syndrome, from the same cause? 3. Do you think homosexuality is evil? 4. Do you think homosexuality is reversible or curable, in all cases or most cases? If so what do you think such a reversal requires? A |
