Subject: Bad song choices at a gig From: Arnie Naiman Date: 01 Aug 99 - 09:49 AM The mismatched venue thread clicked in a few memories. I remember years ago at The Winnipeg folk Festival, Michael Cooney started off his set with a long winded, slow version of "Home on The Range" and totally misread the mood of his audience who tried endlessly to boo him offstage. Myself being a fan of Michael's repetoire- I was shocked as to the atmosphere that was building with every verse and chorus. He made it through the whole song barely alive, and soon redeemed and endeered himself with some better choices. I know that at some of my gigs - there have been a few times when I should have been bood offstage. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: BK Date: 01 Aug 99 - 10:10 AM I've endured some pretty awful stuff & can hardly ever remember a performer actually being "bood." Enough to curdle the blood of a phoakie! Was it THAT BAD? I do remember a certain monthly jam at which some old-timers would boo or otherwise verbally assault (loudly!) a newcomer for a selection the old farts didn't like; but I always thought they were arrogant twits (or something that starts w/"a & ends w/"holes") still do. Cheers, BK |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Arnie Naiman Date: 01 Aug 99 - 10:25 AM Ya Michael was actually being bood by a charged up partying, evening audience that had just been exposed to (I think) some electric blues (rock) music. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Rick Fielding Date: 01 Aug 99 - 11:53 AM Hi Arnie, welcome to Mudcat. I've heard from some folks that Michael's done that sort of thing a number of times. I think he likes to go "Mano a Mano" with the audience at times. Many years ago when I was still playing bars (greed and desperation) a guy kept asking me to sing some James Taylor. 'Tain't really my thing so I politely refused. He insisted again, so I did. The moment I started on "Sweet Baby James" (complete with proper chords and complex arrangement) he started yakking to his friends. When I finished, he turned to the stage and said "You're no James Taylor!" That's when I started to believe in capital punishment! Rick |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Chet W. Date: 01 Aug 99 - 12:18 PM Try this! Write your own versions of songs by people whose songs you might have requests for. I have written a Jimmy Buffett song (Coconuts for Brains) and a Kenny Rogers song about a loyal wife waiting for her man in their trailer every day (with Very sensitive chords). Nobody ever seems to notice the difference. I'm working on others. Chet |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Rick Fielding Date: 01 Aug 99 - 12:26 PM CHET!! I love you! I've done that! It works, and I'm so glad to find out I'm not the only sick puppy out here! Bless you (in an agnostic sort of way) Rick |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Margo Date: 01 Aug 99 - 01:23 PM I know this is far afield, but.............. I got a chuckle when I heard that Meridith Wilson's "Musicman" played in France, and got a cool reception because the French didn't understand the American idioms and stereotypes in the story. Margarita |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: CarlZen Date: 01 Aug 99 - 01:41 PM Chet- That's a gem! Maybe we could get a new database of those kind of songs. Help us all out. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Barbara Date: 01 Aug 99 - 02:13 PM At Malvina Reynolds' memorial concert in the Berkeley Auditorium (1977), Steve Goodman (and a sax player whose name I forget) were booed off the stage when he tried to sing 'Old Fashioned Girl'. He tried explaining to the crowd that the song was a favorite of Mal's, but that didn't fly with the militant crowd. The memorial concert was a whole series of disasters that included one person - a modern feminist performer - taking up most of the time including a half hour of set up while the crowd watched and the remaining folk getting squeezed into 15 minutes -- Pete Seeger, Theodore Bikel, Faith Petric, Larry Hanks, and a couple more, Rosalie Sorrels, maybe?
It must have been incredibly hard for Malvina's daughter to set up and organize the concert, and I don't fault her for what happened.
It made me realize what a wide variety of people Malvina's songs appealed to, and how, without her in the center holding things together, the various factions couldn't work together. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Mudjack Date: 01 Aug 99 - 03:20 PM A local Folk Society had made arrangements to have volunteers go forward and earn money for the society buy playing in the local hospital. I had went through the halls doing my normal choices of songs and at one door there were at least seven folks standing outside this elderly man's room. A nice couple from the family stopped and asked if I would go into the room and do a song for their (elderly) father, said he'd worked for the railroad and used to sing songs. He had heard me down the hall and wanted a closer listen and I answered the call. Let's see, railroad song, Freight Train, freight train going so fast, freight traion freightr train going so fast ...etc. Well good folks, let me tell you, freight train is not the song to sing at one's dying bed. I did some quick cover up and softened the die theme to when I'm gone lord,I had got myself into a corner and wiggled out OK. It's the most uncomfy I've ever been at situation but survived. The man's family was very appreciative and said he really liked it. I learned a lesson in song selection and to be a little more sensitive to it's contents. I can't even tell you if these folks were aware of the lyrics. the patient did seem to enjoy it, but I felt like an insensitive jerk. Mudjack |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Sourdough Date: 01 Aug 99 - 03:32 PM Mudjack - I know that feeling. You get into the song, realize where it's heading, and then start a frantic process of editing and rewriting in your head while trying to sing and play as though you had nothing else on your mind but telling the story. Sourdough |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Rick Fielding Date: 01 Aug 99 - 05:30 PM Love this thread! Man have I had to change direction a few times. Singing songs (inadvertantly) about dying, while playing Old Folk's homes. Doing "Last Thing On My Mind" and having someone say with tears in their eyes that they'd just broken up with someone! Doing a silly introduction, eg. "Here's a song for anyone celebrating a divorce tonight", and having TWO people at opposite sides of the room start crying and head for the door! Oi Vay! Rick |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Arnie Naiman Date: 01 Aug 99 - 05:49 PM One of the first public gigs I did was at The Canadian Institute For The Blind. I started into the old time tune Sugar Hill on the banjo - The first line is "Do you want to get your eyes knocked out" Well I turned a little red when I realised what I said - but of course they couldn't see that! |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Mudjack Date: 01 Aug 99 - 05:59 PM Whew... I thought I was alone, thanks, I feel a little better. The rest home gig is even worse. Those dear folks seem to love "Will the Circle Be Unbroken", "Amazing Grace" . Are we just too sensitive that we feel rotten, or sadenned to the condition these folks are enduring? Thanks for the moral lesson. Mudjack |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Rick Fielding Date: 01 Aug 99 - 11:23 PM It's us, not them Mudjack, but I still feel a bit embarrased. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: DonMeixner Date: 02 Aug 99 - 12:19 AM How about doing and outstanding, accapella rendition of Stan Roger's "House of Orange" at a Hibernians convention. Survival is still in question. Don |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Chet W. Date: 02 Aug 99 - 12:32 AM Rick and all, It's late but I'll post "Coconuts for Brains" tomorrow. Chet |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Lonesome EJ Date: 02 Aug 99 - 12:36 AM Many years ago I went to a show at a rowdy mountain bar that featured George Thorogood and the Destroyers. For some reason they picked Jimmy Ibbotson of The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band to open doing an acoustic set. Now at the time Thorogood was kind of an unknown except among a certain subculture of hard-rocking hard-drinking hard-core fanatics, and most of them were in the bar that night on their 10th beer by the time Ibbotson came on. He made the incredible choice of Ripplin' Waters a gentle acoustic hymn to the beauties of nature and the simple life as his opener.
I've got ripplin' waters to wake me Most of the crowd of bikers, ex-cons and substance abusers stood slack-jawed at the first few lines of John Denveresque optimism before somebody shouted " You ain't Sweatin'!!" Jimmy persevered and somehow got through his set, but it was one of the worst artist mis-matches since Hendrix toured with the Monkees, and an awful song choice on top of that. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Margo Date: 02 Aug 99 - 02:40 AM What is this about Hendrix touring with the Monkees? Is that a joke? Marg |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: mcmoo Date: 02 Aug 99 - 04:21 AM I rather liked a friend in England's story of getting in big trouble at a wedding when he played "All the good times are past and gone"! |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: The_one_and_only_Dai Date: 02 Aug 99 - 04:41 AM Not exactly got in trouble, but I (and some colleagues) have been Peered-At-Over-The-Top-Of-Half-Rimmed-Spectacles by a very worthy folk club crowd (In a town that starts with 'North' and ends with 'ampton') for (God forbid) doing a humorous version of Dido Bendigo. This is, after all, a serious and sensitive song that deserves reverent silence. Or something. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Neil Lowe Date: 02 Aug 99 - 11:29 AM Margarita: nope...no joke. Early on in either Hendrix's or the Monkees' career. Maybe LEJ can supply some details...? Regards, Neil |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Margo Date: 02 Aug 99 - 11:44 AM That's too much! Hey Hey we're the Monkees, and people say we monkey around, but that's only when we're taking purple haze! 'Scuze me while I kiss this guy...... Hahaha |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Mark Clark Date: 02 Aug 99 - 01:08 PM My grandmother used to tell about going to the funeral of a friend in the small town where they lived. The family of the deceased had suffered a number of recent loses. The pastor selected a hymn called "Going Down The Valley One By One." One time at a benefit concert at the old Quiet Knight in Chicago---I can't remember whether it was for Sing Out! or for Eddie Belchowski---Bob Gibson was on stage and someone from the audience requested "Sam Stone." Bob graciously declined. - Mark |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: LEJ Date: 02 Aug 99 - 02:03 PM Margarita- In 66 the Monkees went on a European Tour including London, where they saw the Jimi Hendrix Experience at a small club. They were knocked out by him, as well as other things, and invited him to open for them on their upcoming tour of the US. Apparently Hendrix lasted for only one show. When the Mothers of the 11 year old girls who were the Monkees' core constituency got a look and listen to what Jimi was offering they were, as they say, a bit agitated. The promoters demanded he be dropped. LEJ |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: KnockinLostJohn Date: 07 Dec 03 - 07:49 AM Hi everybody, new here and I love this place. Once a number of years ago I was playing with a blues band called the Wailin' Blue Devil's and we were doing a concert in a park in a small fishing community in Southern Ontario (very, very tight knit). The opening act was a poor fellow who desparatley wanted to be a folk singer/ songwriter and was equally desparate to gain a following. Well his opening song was a very slow dirg that he'd written as a tribute to a number of local fishermen who had recently been lost in Lake Erie as a result of a late night collision with a Coast Guard Cutter. This tragic loss was a very touchy subject in the community due to the nature of the event and the song, while well intended, was very gory and poorly written. The fellow seemed oblivious to the audiences discomfort and carried on to the bitter end. I think he was just very new and inexperienced but I've never in my 25 yrs as a performer witnessed an audience reaction like that....total silence combined with very frosty glares, I swear you could feel the temperature drop at leat 10 degrees. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Janice in NJ Date: 07 Dec 03 - 10:00 AM Getting back to the first message, I have also heard Michael Cooney sing Home On the Range where the audience was less than fully attentive. He seems to enjoy that song immensely. However, I am disturbed to learn that the audience at Winnipeg Folk Festival actually booed him. It's a tribute to Michael's talent and skills that he was able to redeem himself. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: s&r Date: 08 Dec 03 - 06:29 AM We once sang "Weela Weela Wallia". We didn't know that in the audience was a family who had lost a child to a crazy doctor who stabbed a number of children in the paediatric ward at the local hospital. We've never sung it since |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: s&r Date: 01 Jan 04 - 05:42 PM Playing for a church community at New Year. Games during interva: one was a pretend horse race - our sound man, using his initiative found a track on a cd called horse racing, and played it until we got to him and turned off http://www.phespirit.info/derekandclive/ad_nauseam_02.htm We're still hoping no-one heard the words....We love the people, and would hate to upset them. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: GUEST,Big Ballad Singer Date: 29 Jul 10 - 06:55 PM In the middle of a big US football match between the New York Jets and the Denver Broncos... Room FULL of drunk or drinking Jets fans... GREEN JERSEYS everywhere... My duo partner and I start playing, and I start singing, John Denver's "Rocky Mountain High"... all about how wonderful it is in Colorado. Denver. Is. In. Colorado. Room full of Jets fans. Finished the song, called a break and ran like hell. Hid out for 15 minutes until the grumbling and dirty looks blew over. Phew. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: olddude Date: 29 Jul 10 - 07:33 PM I can only think that the Captain shouldn't have sung "I just don't look naked anymore" in that nudist camp ... How about it Cap |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Mark Ross Date: 29 Jul 10 - 09:38 PM Singin' Sam Agins, the cowboy singer(less than 5 foot tall, on crutches with a a bit of a hunchback)told me that he was once invited by phone to "come out and sing for the girls". He showed up at the house only to find that it was a home for unwed mothers. Sam was nothing if not a trouper. He started on his 1st song, SHINE ON HARVEST MOON. When he got to the line "I ain't had no loving since, January, February, June, or July," he realized that he might have made a mistake. But when he sang those words, someone in the room chimed in with "nor August neither!" Mark Ross |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Larry The Radio Guy Date: 30 Jul 10 - 02:10 AM In my youth I sang "Johnny I Hardly Knew Ye" at a war veteran's facility. I can't remember the audience's response, but afterward I was warned by the head administrator that I risked getting hit in the face with a crutch. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: GUEST,Ray Date: 30 Jul 10 - 07:21 AM A couple of years ago, I had a special request to sing "Plastic Jesus" - a favourite of the deceased - at a staunchly Catholic funeral wake. It went down OK but I'm not sure whether the Bishop (or whatever that branch of god has) was impressed. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Ebbie Date: 30 Jul 10 - 12:20 PM "I just don't look naked anymore"- Missin' a little something, Dan? |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: GUEST,acegardener Date: 30 Jul 10 - 01:09 PM Worse one I ever done was singing the Bonny Ship The Diamond. Half the pub got up and left. Didn't know at the time but the crew of the Rainbow Warrior were in port. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Don Firth Date: 30 Jul 10 - 02:12 PM Dodged a bullet. Janice, an old friend from college and a real folk music fan (although she didn't sing herself) asked me to sing at her wedding. One of the songs she wanted me to sing was "Greensleeves." I thought for a moment or two, then asked her, "Janice, have you ever actually listened to the lyrics of that song?" "What do you mean?" she asked. So, not singing, I simply recited the words to a few verses for her. She turned pale, then said, "I see what you mean. Scratch 'Greensleeves!'" But we worked out a deal. I'd fiddled out a classic guitar arrangement of the song, sort of "lute style" kind of thing, so I did that at her wedding, but didn't sing the song. When Barbara and I got married, we were married in a church, but no organ or anything like that. The music was provided by a lutenist. Name of Jean Collins. She wore a Renaissance-style gown (fit in nicely with the church decor) and played a number of lute pieces that she thought were appropriate for a wedding. Very nice! Don Firth |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: olddude Date: 30 Jul 10 - 05:03 PM I did the song "Oh Happy Days" at a funeral ... the family requested it and asked me to sing it. This was when I was in high school ... Afterwords I took quite a lot of flack from people who didn't know that ... Yikes |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: olddude Date: 30 Jul 10 - 05:14 PM Thinking on this thread ... I have done so many bone headed things performing when I was younger that today I just shake my head. One time someone asked me if it was the last song and I said "not till the fat lady sings" immediately I noticed the lady in the first row was quite large and quite upset as people around her were most likely waiting for her to get up and sing... how do you recover from that one .. foot in mouth .. I could go on but best to let others talk. What an idiot thing to say huh .. youth and stupid usually go together. Hey lady whoever you are "I apologize forgive me please" there fixed. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: frogprince Date: 30 Jul 10 - 05:20 PM I would think that, generally, if the family, or the "guest of honor", at a funeral, requested a song or musical piece for the occasion, the rest of the audience could like it or lump it. I could imagine the possibility of the family having no taste or sense, and requesting something so imappropriate you wouldn't want to touch it. But if the "pre-deceased" reguested it, I would go with it unless I had really serious misgivings. A long-time friend says he would like Hendrix version of the Star Spangled Banner; if I have the opportunity, I'll at least see that it gets played over his grave. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: LadyJean Date: 31 Jul 10 - 01:04 AM A friend of mine took car of her grandmother when the old lady was dying, and afterwards, arranged her funeral. Rather than pay the church organist $50, she hired a friend of hers, a heavy metal musician, to play for the funeral. The guy knew 3 hymns. He played all of them twice over, then "churched up" some of his favorites, including "Homage to the Devil". Happily most of the bereaved didn't recognize the songs. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: beeliner Date: 31 Jul 10 - 05:50 AM Sing or play "Marching Through Georgia" ANYWHERE but in Georgia. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: autoharpbob Date: 31 Jul 10 - 06:16 AM Does "Dear Lord and Father of mankind forgive our foolish ways" count - at my wedding? |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: olddude Date: 31 Jul 10 - 07:13 AM autoharp .... LOL PRICELESS |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: My guru always said Date: 31 Jul 10 - 09:45 AM My Brother's funeral, at his request, finished with 'Always look on the Bright Side of Life'. We're that sort of family! |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Bat Goddess Date: 31 Jul 10 - 10:52 AM Phil Ochs' song "The Thresher" is still avoided in Portsmouth, NH and the surrounding area. Too many widows, children, relatives and friends of the men lost still live in the area. Linn |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Phil Cooper Date: 28 Dec 11 - 04:14 PM I sang Shine your Buttons with Brasso at a 4-H affair when I was in high school. A 4-H friend had requested it. I didn't take in to account that a lot of younger grade school kids were there. Also the woman who asked me to sing was not amused. Twas then I learned appropriateness of venue. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Acorn4 Date: 28 Dec 11 - 05:00 PM We once did "Songbird" by Jesse Winchester at a singaround; it has the lines:- "My songbird wants her freedom, now don't you think I know, But I can't find it in myself to let my songbird go." One of the regulars burst into tears for no apparent reason, and we thought perhaps it was Julia's emotional delivery of the song, until the real reason came to light - her budgie had escaped that day. |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: Jack Campin Date: 28 Dec 11 - 05:26 PM On the 11th of September 2001, BBC Radio 3 was scheduled to broadcast a concert from one of the big London orchestras. I think the conductor was a famous visiting American. (They advertised it in the programme listings magazine "Radio Times", which is where I saw it). Last-minute change of their opening number. It was to have been John Adams's "Short Ride in a Fast Machine". |
Subject: RE: Bad song choices at a gig From: GUEST,josepp Date: 28 Dec 11 - 06:02 PM I triple dog dare someone to do "Seasons in the Sun". Go ahead, I quadruple dare you. |
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