Etiquette question

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: annamill
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 12:57 PM

I can't believe how long this thread has lasted. (here I am prolonging it too) Christie from wherever must be LHAO. annap

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Christie from Alaska
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 12:58 PM

Ha ha ha ha .... Ooops! Where's my ass?

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 01:00 PM

Christie, depends on whether it's a dulci-guitar or a banjo-guitar. In order to discover which kind it is, you have to remove the back carefully with a hammer and chisel. You'll then be able to read the lable stuck on the inside front of the guitar. Of course, some guitars have nine strings, but it's easy to add them on with a hammer and nail.

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Bill in Alabama
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 01:03 PM

I have, in more than thirty years of performing onstage, had many, many strings break. Other than an elevated heart rate from the sound, I don't recall ever having experienced any adverse physical effects. My daughter was once clipped by a mandolin string which broke during one of her solo breaks, but she was able to finish the set, and had beyond a slight welt where the string had popped her. Many years ago, I was present onstage when a well-known bluegrass banjoist actually cut the strings off the banjo of another musician as he was playing. It was done in fun, and there were no injuries.

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 02:52 PM

Christie from HaHa land, I love you and want to bear your children.

Actually a good point has been raised. A breaking string can cause a lot of damage to one's eye. (been there, done it) Don't ever cut 'em off without loosening them.

If you ARE Catspaw, I'd insist on five years at obediance school first.

Rick

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: annamill
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 03:09 PM

Gee Rick, sounds more like Gargoyle to me than Catspaw.

L.,A.

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Marion
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 03:17 PM

THE Bob Dylan??!! Here at Mudcat??!!

Now you're toying with me, Mudjack...

Long live Dylan,

Marion

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 03:17 PM

my point exactly, annap

this definitely is NOT 'Spaw

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Allan C.
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 03:21 PM

Nah! Garg is a lot less artful than that.

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 03:36 PM

I haven't noticed "g" ever talks with people. He comes in, passes verbal gas, and leaves before the stench gets to him.

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: lamarca
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 03:44 PM

Gee, Rick, you sure seem to want lots of kids...now, as a professional molecular biologist, I can see there are a few problems we'll have to clear up before you can start bearing all those kids...Can someone hand me the wire cutters?

(Note:JOKE!

JOKE!

JOKE!

Just want to make sure no-one misunderstands...)

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: lamarca
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 03:47 PM

Especially Rick - I love you, but let's just skip the children, OK?

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 04:08 PM

I once had an A string on my violin break in the middle of a Christmas concert; sure good practise for 3rd & 5th positions. Didn't hurt me except for a sting on my arm; I could easily believe one's eye could get hurt, though. There is a lot of tension.

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: annamill
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 04:10 PM

lamarca, are you the evil-doer? Shame.

annap

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Marion
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 05:11 PM

Katlaughing, do you mean to say that you kept playing, but the notes you had rehearsed on the A string you spontaneously switched to the D string?

{bow} {bow} I'm not worthy...

Marion

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: lamarca
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 05:26 PM

Nope - I'm not computer savvy enough to toss my cookies like that...

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 06:21 PM

LOL, Marion, the D and the E, as some of the notes were originally played on the A in 3rd position. Remember, those were in the days, in school, when I practised religiously, both at home and school, on a daily basis. Even had orchestra class every day! I still have the knowledge, but the skill is very, very rusty. No bows needed, I am sure you sound a lot better than I would now. I did have a fantastic first teacher, old "Granny" Grantham. She was strict, tough, unrelenting, and I was lucky enough to study with her privately and make it to concert mistres of our little grade school orchestra! Actualy all of my private and orchestra teachers were great.

kat

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 06:26 PM

Forgot to include this: it is easy for anyone to post anonymously or under a pseudonym. For info on how to keep your cookies from being read, or how to "toss" them, as lamarca said (I LIKE that imagery:-), just click here kat

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Christie from Omaha
Date: 29 Sep 99 - 07:11 PM

It's even easier if you do it from work.

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 12:50 AM

I see that most of you have come to your senses and recognized Christie's joke for what it is. Thank you. Some of you even share my view that it's kinda funny. What I don't understand is those of you who seem to think it's the work of Gargoyle--have you ever seen Gargoyle apologize, recognize the humor in what someone else said, make a joke on that, and apologize again, all in the kindest tones? I like Christie of Wisconsin and hope she continues to post--she has a kind of kinky sense of humor--I like that in a person, otherwise how could I tolerate Catspaw? Or myself or Leej or Kat or Art or Rick or Banjer or any of the other kinky komiks who live here?

--seed

By the way, there's no danger in cutting guitar strings, at least to the cutter--unless he is cutting them while checking how straight the neck is. People sitting next to the cutter might be in danger, however. Of course you might scratch your guitar while trying to slide the pliers under the strings, so loosening them might not be a bad idea.

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 01:03 AM

How I love a mystery. Well now I know it's not Catspaw, cause he works in his basement making those macrame and possum innard dulcimers and I doubt he's got a computer down there. For what it's worth Catspaw definitely IS "T in Oklahoma", however on the "millenium" thread. It's got his paw prints all over it.

Ya know Seed, we may all be full of hot air about Christie. She/he might very well just be a brand new Mudcatter checking out our ability to laugh at ourselves. God knows Max did on April 1st. My God, maybe it is Max!

Rick

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: emily rain
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 01:56 AM

ditto seed.

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 02:18 AM

Emily, I noticed that you were one of the few rational voices during that stretch last night. Also, I checked out your picture in the Mudcat album--woops, I'm in love again (sorry Barbara and Harpgirl [wherever you are]).

--seed

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 03:35 AM

IMPORTANT WARNING - PLEASE READ THIS!

Friends, we've all overlooked something important here: steel strings are very hard and will damage the cutting edge of your pliers. When you go to cut strings, you naturally use the cutter part of the jaws, close to the pivot pin of the pliers. DON'T! I know: I have a good pair of pliers with big holes between the cutters' edges from trimming the ends off new strings. What you must do is get a pair of pliers with wire shears on the edge - looks like a big groove about two or three mm (1/8") wide. If your'e not sure, ask at your hardware store.

Of course, the real danger in cutting other people's strings is the other people ...

Steve

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Cara
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 09:39 AM

I don't think it's Gargoyle either, but I do think someone was intentionally flaming, for whatever reason. It's not funny to take advantage of people's good nature, especially not disguised as a stranger in need.

Gargoyle doesn't spell as well as Christie though, nor write sentences as coherently.

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Bert
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 10:07 AM

Gargoyle 'has' been known to apologise occasionally.

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 10:09 AM

He also does quite well with spelling and coherence when he wants to, esp. when adding something about music.

I can't believe I just wrote that!

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 10:10 AM

I think it was a "troll," not a "flame." (picky, picky, picky) I also think it was Christie, not anyone posting under a pseudo-pseudonym.

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: sophocleese
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 10:15 AM

For the newly inter-netted what is trolling and how does it differ from flaming? How many other technical terms are there to describe variations of rude behaviour?

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 10:56 AM

I can't seem to find an on-line dictionary right now with the definitions of these words, and I have to go to work.

Trolling is a post designed to provoke a response, usually emotional. Like "What is Folk" or "Dylan Stinks."

Flaming is an angry (or angry-sounding) post. "What are you, an idiot? Folk is Dylan and he doesn't stink, yo mama does." People can have fun with flaming or take it seriously. There are whole newsgroups devoted to the "art."

Jeri

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 11:00 AM

To work, Jeri, and you're feeling sick as a dog? Hope you get to feeling better.

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Larry B.
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 11:01 AM

I have a nine-year-old son who thinks it is hilarious to take me in by knocking on the door when I am in another part of the house, then laughing when I go to see who it is, and other jokes of the "made you look" variety. The response I have settled on for this type of "humor" is to smile slightly to acknowledge that it is a joke, segue to a mildly disgusted look to show how little I appreciated it, and then press on.

LB

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: annamill
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 12:55 PM

Jeri, Congrats, Kid. Good luck and I hope it goes well.

Kat, I've read almost all Gargoyles postings and he is very knowledgable and he writes well. In fact, some of his posts have given me the impression he may work in an institution where info on Folk is available to him. Too bad he is so angry and vindictive. BTW, why are we so sure Gargoyle is a 'he'? I'm going to have to go back and read his/her posts again with a different purpose and outlook.

As for Christie, seed, I've cooled down a lot. but I still don't think what she did was funny. Sorry. I've never read anything you, Leej or Kat or Art or Rick or Banjer wrote that made me/us feel like fools. Nuts, maybe, but never fools.

Love, annap

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: --seed
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 02:46 PM

Anna, did you intentionally leave Catspaw off that list? (he has been known to flame for the sake of humor, all right). --seed

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: emily rain
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 02:51 PM

*sternly* seed, you made me blush. shame!

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: annamill
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 03:58 PM

Hahahah..No I didn't leave him out on purpose. I took the list out of your posting and I missed him, but he never made fools of us either. **BG**

Emily, how did he make you blush? I love your name. Guess I've said that before, huh?

Love, annap

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 06:10 PM

Jeez Anna thanks for the vote of confidence. I was gettin' a bit worried about the company I was keepin' in seed's list. Granted I've got a twisted sense of humour but it's usually directed at myself! By the way Anna, I can assure you Mr. Gargoyle is a mister. Beats me why he just insults and runs. He's certainly intelligent enough to defend his points of view in an actual discussion, and his knowledge of trad music is extensive. His attitude towards women and folks of Jewish faith are also sadly well documented. His feelings can be hurt because he's brought up my comment on his chords for "Starry Night" several times. (which I've apologised for in another thread) I was reacting with anger to the unrelenting attacks on Katlaughing and his calling another Mudcatter an "idiot". I should have addressed my comment to "those" issues rather than the song. He seems to have allies here who are less troubled by those issues I mentioned than I am however.

Rick

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Sep 99 - 11:38 PM

Rick, I don't think people are allies so much as eternal optimists. Some hold out hope that he'll one day get over succumbing to his urges to carry out vendettas and start treating people like people. I hope that it could happen, but from what I've seen, I don't think he's capable.

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Oct 99 - 12:25 AM

Jeri, that's a pretty fair assessment, as far as I can tell. And, it doesn't do any good to ignore him, either. As you know, Rick, I am in full agreement with you, esp., with what you mentioned a while back, about bullies; quite often they will act in such a manner as you mention above, i.e. "insult and run". Seems pretty chickensh*t to me. I think he likes sucking in all the goodhearted people whom you call allies, then striking like some stupid hit and run scorpion, shocking everyone and causing the attention-getting furor that must feed what seems to be a very insecure ego. IMHO!

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Big Mick
Date: 01 Oct 99 - 01:32 AM

Rick, you are no less troubled than I. And, I might add, disappointed and saddened. I have read this man's insights, as well as his prods when he is trying to jog us into thinking over our positions on issues. And I used to find that there was a great deal to be learned. But as I have said before.........his personal vitriol directed at people he doesn't care for, as well as the anti-semitic bullshit, have caused me to have to cut him loose. I would love to have him back in the position of resident curmudgeon, but these two issues make that impossible.

Mick

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 01 Oct 99 - 02:04 AM

Well, I guess I'm the only one whose initial response to Christie's first post was " Wow! She must REALLY suck on guitar!" I only started to become sympathetic after seeing how outraged everyone else was. I'm not proud of that, but there it is.

Now I have made a couple of attempts to draw the old Gargoyle out into the light because I figured "hey, he likes the Grateful Dead..he couldn't be all bad," but he never responds. Still, he'll come out with these rather sad posts that bespeak a person who feels very alone and sad:"Catspaw..I'll take one of those drinks...if you are still buying" from Tavern 12. I think that he considers himself a member of this community in the only way he understands...as a lurker at the periphery, both fascinated and repelled by the rest of us.

Seed and Kat, and others who have been his targets, please understand that I consider you dear friends, and any attempt at reaching out has been because I felt it might help this forum to do so.

LEJ

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Big Mick
Date: 01 Oct 99 - 02:24 AM

Same here on that last bit, Leej.

Mick

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Oct 99 - 02:37 AM

Leej I completely understand your feelings. And back in May, he too sent a card to me.....humorous in that nicely warped way. Like Mick I found his posts curmudgeonly humorous and often well spoken and insightful. But gradually the humor became blacker and the needling began to lack any vestige of humor. Then along came "armalite" and any connection to whatever I felt before was lost. I wonder about his life based on some other things that happened during that time. The Tavern posting was sad to me also...and that was a bad day for me too....but I got over it. At this point, its going to take more than a reaching out for me or Mick or Rick. Some type of open apology with an explanation of some sort...I dunno.......but something a LOT more than what I've seen so far.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Oct 99 - 08:40 AM

LeeJ and Mick, I never doubted you for a minute.Thanks, kat

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: alison
Date: 01 Oct 99 - 09:32 AM

Here's a tip...... don't stand too close on stage to someone playing hard on a guitar.. there I was playing keyboards and singing when one of the strings on Alan of Oz's guitar snapped and skelped me across the bum..... causing a yelp into the microphone and a leap across the stage... the rest of the band continued to play through their giggles.

the talk above about "long waits" reminds me of my student nursing days... and the number of times we sent new porters/orderlies to the stores to get us a fallopian tube......

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: harpgirl
Date: 01 Oct 99 - 11:08 AM

...this distasteful discussion of another 'cat member is in extremely poor etiquette fellas and gals...Knock it off!!!

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: Bill in Alabama
Date: 01 Oct 99 - 11:39 AM

Thanks, harpgirl: I agree whole-heartedly.

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Oct 99 - 12:53 PM

Bill and harpgirl: he is welcome to join in at any time. A lot of what he has posted is what I would consider extremely distasteful and vindictive. I personally am glad it is out in the open and people are discussing their honest feelings. If what I have said offends you, I am sorry, but I do not intend to sit back & take the crap he's been dishing out to me or others anymore. If I am found wrong by the majority, I will leave.

kat

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 01 Oct 99 - 01:07 PM

I can understand Harpgirl's feelings--

Subject: RE: Etiquette question
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 01 Oct 99 - 01:16 PM

That was a bit quick on the trigger--we used to have an intermediate dialogue box where we could stop our errors before they actually went out, but that one got away from me.

What I was about to say was I can understand Harpgirl's feelings--this thread has kind of evolved into a public discussion of a confidential therapeutic file, and I take responsibility for my part in turning it in this direction. Harpie, there's still room in my heart for you, along with Barbara, Kat, Alice, and Emily Rain, and any others to whom I have promised undying devotion.

--seed