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2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act

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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 03:07 AM

Sorry - Cox's book was entitled 'Set Into Song'
Jim


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 03:05 AM

Thanks lads, good to be back, though I'm not sure for how long

I've been having a sort out and filing our overlarge collection of articles in preparation for making them available
I thought a dip into some of them might help sort out some of the misinformation here
This is from a review of two albums, A.L.Lloyd's 'First Person' and MacColl's 'Manchester Angel.
It is, I think, a pretty accurate analysis of how these two pioneers took traditional songs and made the songs relevant to contemporary audiences
It was written by Karl Dallas, no great friend of Ewan, but certainly a great admirer

This type of analysis by people who were around to observe what was happening on the folk scene , seems far fairer and mo efficient than throwing stones at long dead singers

Al,
I never really got on with Ben Harker's book - I once did a three page analysis of the factual errors and misinterpretations
I know that he interviewed several people for the book and totally ignored what he was told - this was certainly the case with the interview we gave
It is certainly useful for some of the background information on MacColl's brush with MI5
I found Journeyman somewhat disappointing and, on occasion, self-indulgent
I found Peter Cox's analysis of The Radio Ballads far more satisfying   
Jim
   
"The trouble with occupying the positions of leadership in the British revival that Lloyd and MacColl have carved for themselves is that each stage of their work tends to be regarded as holy writ. In fact, in the course of getting the revival going, both of them have learned a great deal about their craft and the likelihood is that they will continue to do so. Unfortunately both of them have been badly served by the recorded examples of their work, most of which have fixed the public impression of them at a much earlier stage than today.
This is especially true of MacColl, who has been most assiduous in his study of the living tradition and in attempting to apply those lessons to the problems of the revival singer, which are mostly quite different from the problems of the singer in a traditional environment. Both of them are much less declamatory in their style than once they were. Thus, Lloyd sings St James's Hospital in an almost conversational manner when compared with his earlier recording for Riverside, in which he made more of an attempt to approximate the street singer's style. It is certainly easier to take its jagged melody when played on the family record player in this way, and probably this interpretation is more "correct" in terms of how it is to be heard.".....

"There is a great temptation, whenever a traditional song seems a mite dull in the original, to liven it up. In the bad old days, this was usually done by the addition of an unnecessary guitar beat; these days the singer may be tempted to resort to elaborate ornamentation, bending the tune into a more "interesting" mode, or other flourishes and curlicues. When the singer is as skilled as Lloyd, the result is often a new creation of great artistic merit; but it would be a pity if the result of his artistry were to prevent less skilled performers from grappling with the song in its original form. Lloyd is also a skilled re-maker of old songs which seem to have been lost to tradition."....

"All of MacColl's songs on this record are English in origin, which may surprise those who think of him primarily as a Scottish singer, but those who know he spent the earliest years of his life in the North-West of England. This is what makes his rendering of the Lancashire version of To The Begging I Will Go on this record particularly authentic in sound.
I have dwelt at some length on his tendency to dramatise songs, something he does much less than of old. But there are positive advantages here. His actor's training has given him the ability not only to get inside the song but to get inside the character who might have made it. This gives his readings the same sort of reality that the songs have in the mouths of traditional singers, which very few revivalists achieve. If it be objected that this is artifice, it is artifice of a very high order indeed.
He has also achieved a degree of control over his voice that is rare in the revival. One can argue with what he does vocally, but one thing is certain: what you hear is what he meant to do. His breathing is effortless, although sometimes (on The Bramble Briar, for instance) he drops the last syllable of an extended line rather as if he was running out.
One of his most notable achievements on this record is One Night as I Lay on My Bed, a truly lovely night-visiting song which he sings without apparent art, allowing the lyric to carry its emotion along"....

"All-in-all, these records give us what we have long needed, definitive examples of the way these two leading revivalists are now singing, having applied considerable experience and some knowledge of the sound of tradition to the problems of the revival.
As I have tried to suggest, it would be the reverse of pro¬gress for their solutions to these problems to be swallowed whole by other singers. But careful study of what they are doing, coupled with an attempt to understand why they are doing it, should mean that those who come after will be able to build on their experience and to avoid their earlier mistakes."
KARL DALLAS, Folk Music Ballad And Song No. 4, 1966.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 09:09 PM

Just got the harker, abd Journeyman from Amazon, and Peggy on audiobook.
Soon i will be able to understand why you're all so angry and provide dazzling insights.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 08:26 PM

I second that


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Keith Price
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 05:55 PM

Good to see you back Jim.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 04:43 PM

Great stuff, Jim! Can we have some more please?


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 03:01 PM

Fabulous contribution there from Jim.
That said, I had to shrink it to 80% to read it, which made it very small. couldn't you use shorter lines on mudca?


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Pseudonymous
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 12:58 PM

Re my previous comment that Lomax might have had something to do with the political aspects of the 2nd revival, the book we are discussing quotes MacColl himself on the important effect that Lomax had on him.

Regarding the question of whether blues had 'any political influence', the book mentions the Ballad and Blues Clubs. I thought it was accepted that MacColl's contemporary, Lloyd, also saw blues songs as some sort of example of what folk music might be. This is in his book about Folk Song.

My own view, based on my own experiences and those of others, is that blues, both of the sort collected by the older Lomax and as it evolved via jazz, was part of what made many young British aware of the US colour bar, though this still shocked musicians who were fans of the blues when they went over there and encountered it. I would count this as having a political effect. Look at the work of Paul Oliver, for example.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Pseudonymous
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 12:05 PM

Thank you Hootenanny for answering my question about the White Heather Club.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 10:24 AM

Oh dear !!!
Jim Carroll

Prosppero and Ariel – The rise and fall of Radio. Personal recollections(extracts) G D Bridson, Gollantz, (1971)

Ewan MacColl and Joan Littlewood
(1934)
Harding had invited me to try my hand at a programme about May Day. Briefly, the idea was to contrast the old bucolic three- times-round-thc-maypole tradition with the new conception of May Day as the day for social protest. Here at least was a theme which offered me possibilities. I built up a pleasantly varied mosaic in which Robin Hood plays and the May Day games gave way to the May Day rioting against imported Flemish labour under Henry VIII. May Day had soon become a cause of contention between the Puritans and the people: the Strand lost its maypole. Herrick and others restored the May Day jollity. But dancing Jennies gave way to the spinning Jenny: the Industrial Revolution began to pave the way for another. As for the nineteenth century, that gave me the chance really to try for a little fun! Tennyson, in the role of an increasingly hysterical Queen of the May, found himself cross-cut against a rising tide of industrial militancy, peter¬ing out in a final despairing squeak before the advance of or¬ganised labour. From there, of course, was a short step to the Hunger Marches, machine-guns in the Berlin streets, and the Internationale blared out over the loud-hailers in the Red Square. The programme ended on a quiet but equally ominous note in a poem of mine read by Robin Whitworth:

Cause enough, then, for their spending
One day in the old fashion—
All under way and the land mending . . .
Winter over with its winter ration—
Salt meat, dried fruit and the rest:
May gave them milk again and churns to freshen.

Yes . . . And the Spring, then, and the men out.
Spring again—and the men 'out’ still. . .
May Day, then, and a new order of things . . .
May Day, yes . . . And a new order of things .        . .

This was sounding rather a new note in British Broadcasting— or so Archie Harding decided. But the newest note of all came in the reading of a couple of stanzas from my Song for the Three Million, the number of the Unemployed in Britain at the time.
The stanzas were snarled out in seething anger by a vigorously proletarian voice that must have rattled the coffee-cups in sitting- rooms all over the country:

Cut the cost somehow, keep the balance whole;
Men are in the making, marching for the Dole.
Payday and May Day drawing to the poll,—
There’s a time to truckle—and to take toll.
Time to take toll—so watch where you tread:
The lesson in the bleeding is not to be the bled.

Bats are from the baking, cooling on the slab:
The duster at the knuckle, waiting for a dab.
Shout for your chauffeur or call for your cab:
Our kind of scathing is difficult to scab!
And stooping to the tramline, you can hear the tread
Of the done-brown damnfools—the living and the dead.

The voice was a new one on the air, the voice of Ewan MacColl, but there was no mistaking the message of the tramping feet behind it.
Ewan MacColl was himself a victim of the Depression. The son of an unemployed Glasgow steelworker, who had moved to Salford in search of work during the twenties, he had suffered every privation and humiliation that poverty could contrive for him from the age of ten. His memories of his early years are still bitter like his recollection of how to kill aimless time in a world where there was nothing else to do: “You go in the Public Library. And the old men are there standing against the pipes to get warm, all the newspaper parts are occupied, and you pick a book up. I can remember then that you got the smell of the unemployed, a kind of sour or bitter-sweet smell, mixed in with the smell of old books, dust, leather and the rest of it. So now if I pick up, say, a Dostoievsky—immediately with the first page, there’s that smell of poverty in 1931.”

MacColl had been out busking for pennies by the Manchester theatres and cinemas. The songs he sang were unusual, Scots songs, Gaelic songs he had learnt from his mother, border ballads and folk-songs. One night while queueing up for the three-and- sixpennics, Kenneth Adam had heard him singing outside the Manchester Paramount. He was suitably impressed. Not only did he give MacColl a handout; he also advised him to go and audi¬tion for Archie Harding at the BBC studios in Manchester’s Piccadilly. This MacColl duly did. May Day in England was being cast at the time, and though it had no part for a singer, it certainly had for a good, tough, angry Voice of the People. Ewan MacColl became the Voice, a role which he has continued to fill on stage, on the air, and on a couple of hundred L.P. discs ever since.

Shortly after May Day in England went out, a letter appeared in the correspondence column of the Radio Times over the signa¬ture of one George Potter. It gave high praise to the programme and ended: Broadcasting produces, or displays, a creative writer of real force, and the critics continue to retail nothing but the latest band-room and bar-room gossip. It is high time this par¬ticular temple is cleansed. I was surprised, when I met him a year later, to find that George Potter had been a discreet pseudonym for Laurence Gilliam, who had just moved over from the Radio Times to become a London feature producer himself. We were to see a great deal more of each other…..
pp. 35/36

That same summer of 1934, Northern radio made one truly unique recruit. While in London, Harding had acted as an adjudi-cator at R.A.D.A., where he had been asked to award the first gold medal for microphone technique. The girl who won it had a warmly engaging voice, excellent diction, and absolutely no fashionable affectation of accent whatever. She was not remark¬able at R.A.D.A. for that alone: she also happened to be a girl from a working-class home in the East End. As it transpired, she heartily detested R.A.D.A., for which she had won a scholarship, and equally detested the genteel mediocrity of the West End theatre of the time. Harding had been impressed with her, and had asked her to come and see him at Broadcasting House. She pre¬ferred to hock her medal, and go over to Paris for the Stavisky riots. By the time her money had run out, and she was back in London needing work, Harding had been transferred to Man¬chester. As he had promised to find her whatever radio work he could, she decided to follow him North. But where most girls would have borrowed the train fare, Joan Littlewood preferred to cover the hundred and eighty miles on foot. This she did with a small rucksack.
Sleeping under hedges, living on raw potatoes and turnips dug up out of the fields, hitching lifts and all that went to the usual picaresque tradition brought her finally to the Potteries. There she rested up in communal quarters with a group of families fighting a running battle against eviction from their homes. Perhaps it was the loss of the battle which eventually brought her on to Man¬chester. True to his word, Harding at once put her on the air; her story was also taken up by the Manchester papers. Beds were laid on for her in flats around the city, and Joan became a part of the Northern way of life. As she chose to put it herself: “I was a bum, but I was adopted for the first time in my life, as part of the whole humming scene. I was adopted by the autonomous republic.”
I sometimes wonder whether I ever met in anyone quite the same warmth and charm and utter sincerity with which Joan made the North her own. Over the next few years, I was to watch her captivate hundreds of people in every sector of Nor¬thern life. Her sense of fun was highly infectious; but only her power to deflate the pretentious was really dangerous. For her, the people who mattered were those who knew they had some¬thing they must create; the people she despised were those who had never found it necessary. She had no real ambition to act herself: her burning urge was to gather together a body of people equally devoted, who could be taught to act and react instinc¬tively as a group. There was something of Stanislavsky about it, but very much more of Joan Littlewood. In a way, it was almost exasperating that being such a natural actress herself, she pre¬ferred to try and coax good acting out of material far less talented. So far as the stage was concerned, perhaps she felt that appearances were against her: she looked too full of fun, and her gap-toothed grin was too engaging to carry conviction in very much more than comedy. As for her acting for the BBC, this she could never take seriously as more than a comic interlude. The BBC as a whole she found as absurd as it mostly was, and her parody of the BBC manner could embarrass even a BBC announcer. Harding and I and the rest had to endure her mockery, which was salutary for all of us. But despite her derision of the BBC, Joan was to play a very important part in making the sort of radio that I wanted. We worked at it happily together over the next few years.
Among the beliefs that I shared with Orage and Ezra Pound, was a firm assurance of the need for some sort of monetary re¬form. Various economic panaceas have been suggested. Once there was technocracy and today there is fluidity, but in 1934 there was Social Credit. And whatever one thought of that, the world-wide recession of trade at the time was more than enough to prove the need of an urgent shot in the economic arm. By way of publicising the need, I had just written a verse play called Prometheus the Engineer. It was written in the form of classical tragedy, and set in what I described as the Workshop of the World. Its hero, the Engineer, was vainly attempting to hold a balance between the factory floor and management. As was to be ex¬pected, he ended up as a victim of neo-luddite violence: the workers threw him to the machines.
Despite its anti-Marxist economics, Harding liked the play and accptd it; in due course it was cast and billed and went into rehearsal. Once again, Ewan MacColl was given a major part to play; there couldn’t have been a better choice for the militant leader of the workers. Robin Whitworth and I were billed as co-producers, he looking after the technical aspects at the control panel and I the speaking of the verse dialogue and the various choruses.
pp.37-39

Since the death of Frank Nicholls, I had been looking around for someone who could take his place in a new series of Northern actuality shows. My choice fell on Joan Littlewood, whose charm and sincerity would have won the confidence of an anchorite. No persona was needed for her: she was everything in herself and be¬came almost as popular in the North as Harry Hopeful had been before her. After covering the Isle of Man, further country shows took us to Furness Fells and the Cheviots.

But it was in the trio of major industrial features that we did together that Joan achieved her greatest success in actuality radio. By 1938, the worst of the Depression was over, but unemploy¬ment was still at a desperately high level in many of the Northern towns. For our production Cotton People we went to Oldham to find the group of spinners and weavers that we needed. In the Oldham area there were more than three hundred mills: the week in which the programme was broadcast, only four of them were working full time.

Yet it was far from a depressing occasion when fifty Oldham operatives took to the air. Lancashire was my home county: I knew exactly the stuff that went to make up the Lancashire character. Once again, we relied upon careful scripting and home rehearsal to set the people on their mettle. Once again the method paid off handsomely, for the lively humour and sheer vitality of the mill folk whipped up over the air like an autumn gale on Blackpool promenade. This was Lancashire telling the world, and telling it inimitably. It was all I had hoped to do on radio with ordinary people telling about their ordinary lives—but facing up to living with quite extraordinary self-possession.
After Lancashire it was the turn of Yorkshire, but the broad¬cast that hit the air with most impact of all was the one we did with the Durham miners. Ever since the General Strike twelve years before, the plight of the miners had been deplorable. The towns that most of them lived in were little short of a national disgrace: their work was backbreaking and dangerous, the con¬ditions in which they worked were primitive and intolerable. Seams only eighteen inches deep were not uncommon in Durham; the workings were generally damp, and pithead baths were still to come.

A month’s work went to making the programme, during which time Joan and I familiarised ourselves with every aspect of the miner’s life. We went on shift with the men by night and morn¬ing; we helped with the hewing, loading and putting; we got the dirt engrained into our scalps and every pore of our bodies. Joan lived with a miner’s family—the son had been killed in the pit— while I put up in no greater comfort at the local miners’ pub. By the time that Coal came on the air, there wasn’t a miner at the pit who didn’t know us and treat us as one of themselves.

In Durham again, of course, there was a high rate of unemploy¬ment: many men had been out of a job for the main part of their working lives. One of the most moving stories in the broadcast was that of the hewer who had been out of work for so long, that when a job was found for him at last, his body had gone too soft for him to be able to hold it down. The sob in his voice as he told the story was hard to get out of one s mind.

On this occasion, response to the broadcast was more than a matter of critical bouquets: money poured in from all sides, with requests that it should be passed to to the miner in question. He was the lucky one: I wished there had been enough to have helped the ones who had not been mentioned. But one of the letters gave me particular pleasure. Enclosing his own contribu¬tion, the writer told me that the broadcast had given him a new pride in his office. It was signed by the Lord Lieutenant of County Durham.

Broadcasts such as Coal gave millions of listeners a new realisa¬tion of the true dignity and importance of men and women like themselves. Such broadcasts proved that everyone had something to tell his fellow-men, and a point of view that deserved a hearing. They also proved that everyone was capable of putting his point of view across, often far more pungently than those who were paid to do it for him. And that, let me emphasise again, was something new in the land.

Frank Nicholls and Joan Littlewood were soon to be joined by Wilfred Pickles, for whom I created the character of Bitty Welcome shortly after the start of the war. Between them, that remarkable trio probably did more to help the country to find its voice than anybody had done before. Within a matter of ten years they had won an appreciative audience for the man in the street. Since nothing succeeds so well as a good example, hearing one s neigh¬bour sounding off is the shortest way of becoming vocal oneself.

By the time that the war was over, and Have a Go was able at last to bring unscripted spontaneity to the air, people were no longer afraid of standing up to a microphone. The boiled-shirt image of the BBC as us’ had been swept away for good; and the free-for-all which followed had left ‘them’ with important parts to play in radio and television. The age of the Common Man had actually arrived; and that he could often be so superbly un¬common, Frank Nicholls, Joan Littlewood and Wilfred Pickles must all be thanked for helping to prove.

Perhaps it was no coincidence that a vital new theatre move¬ment was born in Manchester at the time when Cotton People and Coal were giving new vitality to radio. For it was there that Joan Littlewood first gathered together the group that was later to form the nucleus of Theatre Workshop. Known at the time as Theatre Union, that body of young enthusiasts had something they wanted to express in movement no less than in voice. Ewan MacColl was one of them, for in those days Joan and he were married: they had first met up in my broadcast Tunnel. Others were recruited by Joan from among the hundreds we got to know in all parts of the North.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
I asked her in a broadcast recently what the North had meant to the movement she had founded there in pre-war days. She admitted it had meant everything—that what she had been able to start in Manchester could not have been started then in London. As the seed was later to bear such splendid fruit, I like to remember where the seed was first nurtured. So does Joan Littlewood.
                      69 -71

One of my first pleasures in my new capacity was to write and produce for the Home Service in 1959 a ballad opera called My People and Your People. This told the story of a group of West Indian immigrants in London, and the love affair between one of them and a young Scots skiffler. The girl was played by Nadia Cattouse and the Scot by Ewan MacColl, the other leading parts being taken by Cy Grant and Edric Connor. The action of the story moved from the warmth and gaiety of the Caribbean to the squalor and wretchedness of life in Rachmann’s London, rising to its inevitable climax in the Notting Hill race riots. I have the deepest affection for my West Indian friends, and perhaps no show that I wrote for radio in the fifties gave me more pleasure to mount or seemed to me more worthwhile. The music, arranged for me by Ewan MacColl and Peggy Seeger, was lively and magnificent, the contrast between its Scots and West Indian rhythms being no less intriguing than the contrast between the two idioms and accents. The authenticity of the latter, I might add, was notably helped by the collaboration of Andrew Salkey, whose ear for the richness of West Indian speech is far more accurate than mine.
pp. 254-255

I was to fly from Iceland to Greenland in search of the story behind the discovery of the settlement of Eirik the Red at Brattahlid, from which Leif Eiriksson had sailed away to discover Vinland the Good. The laying bare of their skeletons after nearly a thousand years, tucked away under the Greenland ice-cap, was one of the most romantic pieces of archaeology that I ever recorded. As with the story of the Dead Sea Scrolls, I was gratified to find the shows so well received by the listeners.
Such excursions into the past were far more to my liking than excursions into the current. But the main emphasis of my work was still upon creative radio—my own or other people’s. In 1959 I had written what proved to be the last of my creative docu-mentaries for the Home Service. This was Hazard at Quebec, in which I was able to reflect the latest historical estimate of Wolfe’s near-disaster on the St. Lawrence. My knowledge of the Cana¬dian scene, a love of Canadian wild-life which I shared with Audubon, the colourful presence of the Algonquins, and the ebb and flow of the action itself gave me a chance to write verse narration once more for Stephen Murray. Ewan MacColl was again on hand to sing the songs that the campaign had given to history, and John Hotchkiss provided a suitably evocative score, which followed the fighting to its triumphant close. All in all, Hazard at Quebec was the sort of show that I had enjoyed writing for something like twenty-five years, and I was glad to find that the romantic formula still worked.
                                                                                                                                     pp. 279-280      

Alan Lomax
(1943)
I got back to the States in time for Independence Day, which the American end of Transatlantic Call was celebrating from Philadelphia, and this I was invited to attend. After his first three shows, Norman Corwin had fallen sick and been forced to retire from the series. His place had been difficult to fill, and with their new insistence on nothing but actuality, CBS were hard put to find any producer with the right experience.

By the time the show reached Philadelphia, they had found him—one of the few people in America who had spent his life recording actuality speakers (or rather singers) all over the States. This was Alan Lomax, whose collection of American folk-songs—recorded along with his father John A. Lomax—had formed the basis of the famous Library of Congress archives in Washington. Their work in the field has been honoured by every folk-singer since, from Ewan MacColl to Pete Seeger and Bob Dylan.

Alan Lomax was a Texan, a large, powerfully built man with a great zest for living and for his work. He was very much a singer in his own right, apart from the folk-songs he had collected, and a compulsive mixer. In the first of his Transatlantic Call produc-tions, American actuality came alive: he spoke the same language and sang the same songs as Americans everywhere. More to the point, he was able to help them speak that language into a micro¬phone, and to get the full flavour of their characters across. The shows that he handled came over with the same American im¬press as the prose of Thomas Wolfe or the poetry of Whitman. He could interpret America because he was so American himself. My meeting with him in Philadelphia was a lively and hila¬rious experience: it was also the start of a long and valued friend¬ship. I never knew any American who more fully embodied the virtues—and the more engaging vices—of all his country¬men.

Alan Lomax soon introduced me to the sort of young Americans I had always wanted to know—the young liberals who stood for Roosevelt, the W. P. A. and the New Deal. Apart from Alan’s own family, there was Nicholas Ray, then working for the Office of War Information with Louis Untermeyer as a documentary radio producer. Nick was keenly interested in my own methods of actuality production, and he soon became one of my favourite drinking cronies until he went out to join John Houseman in Hollywood. There he quickly established himself as one of their most gifted directors with an avid post-war following among the nouvelle vague in France. Burl Ives was another of our circle, then making his name on CBS as the Wayfaring Stranger-—-an enor¬mous twenty-stone bull of a man with a nature as gentle as a girl’s and a tenor voicc as pure and sweet as a choir-boy’s. Otherwise, he was Gargantua—eating his pounds of steer at a meal and drink¬ing his wine by the quart flagon: my only drinking boast was to match him one evening, level-pegging on bourbon. Over the years, both in the States and around the British Isles, I was to work with him on some of my j oiliest shows.

With Alan and Burl, I soon made many friends among the Negro folk-singers then to be found in New York. There was the almost legendary Leadbelly—Hudy Leadbetter—whom Lomax’s father had found singing in a Southern penitentiary after killing a man in a brawl. He was then singing at the Village Vanguard, where he had come to rest after killing another man who had annoyed him. Luckily for me, I never did—and the songs which he recorded for me were a quite inimitable delight. At Downtown Café Society, I also grew friendly with Josh White—already well to the fore in the long struggle for Negro integration. Josh was a fighter for whom I had great respect, a man with a sense of humour who could still be as tough and mean as he sometimes had to be.

The violence of American life was something I gradually came to accept. I had seen men knocked out in bars, and on Christmas Eve was to watch the police club a Negro through the window of Dempsey’s Restaurant, while the loud-speakers filled Times Square with the strains of Holy Night. In Café Society one night I was eating peacefully with a party of friends and talking to Josh over our steaks. Sitting next to me, Alan Lomax suddenly jumped to his feet, seized the man at the next table and knocked him clean across his supper. Waiters rushed over, but saying nothing to Alan, threw the body into the street. I asked, in some astonish¬ment, what the hell was going on? “He annoyed me,” said Alan, sitting down again. Five minutes later, the man came lurching back, protesting that he wanted to apologise. With a vigilant waiter on either side, he approached our party again and held out his hand: Alan rose, prepared to shake it. “I didn’t mean to offend you,” said the man, “I only said that I didn’t want to sit at the next table to a goddam nigger.” Alan hit him again, be¬fore the waiters could drag him away. But this time, like every¬one else, Josh had heard the remark. He froze in his chair, then slowly rose to his feet as his hand reached for his pocket. Three or four girls at nearby tables rushed to pinion his arms to his side. The body was thrown out again without Josh being able to draw his knife—and the bevy of his admirers subsided back to their suppers again. He was obviously a very popular folk- singer . . .

Perhaps the only song more scarifying than Josh’s own Hard Time Blues was Billie Holliday’s Strange Fruit, then to be heard at tlie Onyx on 52nd Street. But splendid singing and jazz was still to be found all over New York. Down in Greenwich Village, around Times Square or up in Harlem the bars and nightspots were crammed each evening with American servicemen on leave, and the town was there to please them. Ethel Waters, Maxine Sullivan, Hazel Scott, Pearl Bailey and Mary Lou Williams— these were only the best of the women I loved to hear. And the dancing of Katherine Dunham and Pearl Primus was equally good to watch. As for the great jazzmen—that was still an age to remember, with Louis Armstrong, Fats Waller, Art Tatum, Eddie Condon, Sidney Catlett and Red Allen, Lionel Hampton and Red Norvo. All were there to enjoy nightly, often enough for the price of a couple of drinks at a crowded bar.
pp. 101-104

When I got back to my desk I had a great deal of work to cope with, much of it being a hangover from my nine months’ stay in the States. I had left another ballad-opera lined up with Alan and Elizabeth Lomax in New York, a production which I had been loth to relinquish. This was The Martins and the Coys, a family-feuding comedy from the Apallachians in which the Nazis became even more acceptable as a target than everybody’s next- door neighbours. Once again, the cast was outstanding—the roster this time including Burl Ives, the fabulous Woody Guthrie, the young Pete Seeger, Will Geer from Tobacco Road and Lily May Pearson of the Coon Creek Girls. Roy Lockwood, BBC’s resident New York producer, made a lively occasion of it all, which luckily survives in one commercial recording.
pp. 114-115
‘In view of his interest in folk-songs—of which he claimed to know three or four hundred—and as he was shortly going over to New York, I gave him the telephone number of my old friend Alan Lomax. (Robert) Graves had a great admiration for Lomax’s work in the field, and the meeting between them should have been something of an occasion. He rang up soon after he arrived, and was asked along for an evening’s session in Alan’s flat in Greenwich Village. He announced his arrival at the bottom of the stairs by bursting into an Irish song himself, though he may have been shorter of breath by the time he had climbed to the top of the four flights. Unluckily, Alan had damaged his hand in a fight the day before, and he had to apologise for not being able to play his guitar. Urged on to sing without it, he felt himself so handicapped that he began to forget the words of the songs, no doubt because he was writing a book about something else at the time. He was even more embarrassed to find that the drink was running out as well, and in desperation suggested that he take Graves on to a party round the corner to which he had been in¬vited. When he had been corrected after introducing Graves as “The English poet—Robert Bridges,” he decided that it simply wasn’t his night. So apparently did Graves, whose dislike of Bridges’ poetry was intense, apart from the fact that he had been dead for thirty years. I never heard whether he looked in on Alan again, the next time he was in New York . . .
pp. 271-272


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 09:32 AM

Pseud,

Robin Hall & Jimmie MacGregor did appear on White Heather Club. But prior to this they had a much larger exposure from their long run on the BBC Tonight" TV programme.

"At least some of the political aspect may have come from the states (via Blues, Lomax etc)."

Believe it or not the UK did not need Lomax to teach us about politics and your suggestion that the blues had any political influence would suggest that you know even less about that scene.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Pseudonymous
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 06:42 AM

Picking up another point in this discussion: some web sites do refer to MacColl as the 'founder' of the folk revival, and I don't think this is true. First, it downplays the role of Peggy, who I think was vital, and secondly, as Hootenanny suggests, there were other aspects of it. Some aspects of it were less political than others. At least some of the political aspect may have come from the states (via Blues, Lomax etc).

Speaking personally, I remember Hall and MacGregor being on TV (The White Heather Club?) when I was a kid. Until a couple of years ago, more or less all I could have told you about MacColl was that he wrote The Manchester Rambler (which you still hear sung) and Dirty Old Town (which I play, badly of course, and in a rather Poguesish manner). I didn't even know Joan Littlewood had been married to him.

Just giving my views, happy to be corrected if wrong.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Pseudonymous
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 06:34 AM

Regarding the Critics Group, mentioned by Hootenanny and others above, it has indeed been mentioned here, and once again I think that Harker gives a balanced view.

He interviewed some people who went to the group, and also gives some of Peggy Seeger's hindsight thoughts about it. As I think I mentioned, it did involve song-writing and criticism, and the application of a techniques from both acting, and, if I remember aright, dance, but Seeger and MacColl themselves were not, Seeger says, subjected to the criticism. Seeger later said she thought that had been a mistake. For me, this difference between the two main organisers and the rest would suggest that the group was not as 'democratic' as it is sometimes said to be.

The criticism appears to have been in terms of political approval and 'authenticity' as well as in terms of aesthetics, singing style, projecting oneself into the song, and so on. But the account given by Harker is very much of MacColl as a teacher, and one who some of those attending found inspirational, whereas others just walked out. At the end of the session there would often be a fairly long lecture by MacColl:'you'd walk a foot above the pavement for the rest of the week. You would end up buzzing. It was special,' one informant told Harker. Another person described the experience as 'trial by ordeal'.People have differing views: some felt it could destroy people, others feel that some participants benefitted and even built careers as a result. Here I am trying to give a sense of the balance Harker tries to achieve between the different views.

The book has quite a bit to say about MacColl's ideas about what folk song was, and how it should be used by the left, informative here. It gives you an idea of the sort of criticism that might have been applied.

There were two BBC programmes about it in recent years, one presented by John Cooper Clarke and one by Martin Carthy. Both are interesting, and there are some recordings of MacColl delivering criticisms within the circle/group. These may still be available on the BBC sounds app. So there is quite a bit on the topic to add to what has been said on here.

See pages 184-191, pages 194 - 198, 213-219 (dealing with the somewhat acrimonious break-up which took place in 1972).


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Pseudonymous
Date: 05 Dec 19 - 07:35 PM

I would like, if I may, to suggest respectfully that at times one encounters something almost akin to hero worship when it comes to MacColl. It is, I would suggest, possible to try to take a more balanced approach without being 'right wing'. I would also suggest that it is possible to point out what appear to be historical facts about his political allegiances ( and to dislike Stalin and his regime) without being 'right wing'.

I will confess to voting Green on occasion, and I may do so again, given the importance of the environment, but for most of my life I have voted for Labour, and just did so again (via my postal vote, as getting to the polling station is cumbersome, especially given the weather).

Thank you for reading this.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Pseudonymous
Date: 05 Dec 19 - 07:15 PM

Regarding the name change, Harker takes what seems to me to be a reasonable approach. When he writes of the years when Jimmy Miller was known as Jimmy Miller, he calls him 'Jimmy'. Then, from the time when MacColl changed his name, he refers to him as MacColl.

I have found the book fascinating (and I speak as somebody born in the 1950s who knew very little about MacColl before reading it, though I did know something of Joan Littlewood and her left-wing theatre work!)

For example, MacColl, the book tells me, read and enjoyed the works of Lewis Grassic Gibbon - another pseudonymous writer - whose works I have recently begun to read. The book is full of such details, and seems to me to have been well-researched.

I think that MacColl's first meeting with Alan Lomax might have been a significant point, though he had done singing work before that. See page 95 and the section following it. Lomax seems to have been the first to take MacColl for a recording session (apart from radio work). This took place in 1951.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 11:59 AM

My apologies, the above guest at 09.50 was me.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 09:50 AM

Ians

Sorry but I think you are confusing me with somebody else.

I do not rate MacColl as being as important as a few folks here do.

The critics group from what I have seen posted here was more about theatre and song writing.

Your posting above tells me nothing that I am not already aware of and I am not disagreeing with most of what you say.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: Iains
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 07:31 AM

@Hootenanny,
The point I am trying to make is that is that MaCcoll may have been very busy in the background(I believe his first disc was 1950)but he was only known to a restricted audience. As I said those artists that obtained the airtime popularized the genre and various artists had programs giving them exposure to a wide audience. I just gave a couple of examples to illustrate my point, I made no claim that it was exhaustive. Everyone knew of Julie Felix and Robin Hall and Jimmy Magregor in the mid 60's. They were TV stars. No one is going to persuade me that all the same demograhic had heard of Ewan MaCcoll I would argue that the respective record sales confirm this.Rather like Alex Campbell - a huge body of work but limited sales.Arguably Campbell contributed equally to the revival. By the mid seventies he would have been more widely known, but primarily as a songwriter, not a performer, with many covers of his songs being released.
In 1964, Bob Dylan appeared on the tonight programme and sang With God on Our Side. Dylan was more popular than MaCcoll at this time. To this MaCcoll reputedly said Bob Dylan's songs are“10th-rate drivel,” fit only for “a completely noncritical audience.”
This may have been valid criticism within the Critics group, but an audience exists to be entertained not hectored!
The White Heather Club also gave exposure to folk. The genre was very healthy before the formation of the critics club and the examples given illustrate TV exposure to folk was widespread long before the formation of the critics. That is why I argue MaCcoll did not initiate the folk resurgence. To accuse me of rewriting history is not supported by the facts. MaCcoll may justifiably sit on a pedestal for his contributions to Britsh Folk music but to give him the accolade of being the initiator of the folk revival is simply incorrect.
Seven drunken nights was released by the Dubliners in 1967. I restricted myself to examples predating or coinciding with the formation of the critics.

05.04.1967 SEVEN DRUNKEN NIGHTS THE DUBLINERS
Reached no 7 in the charts. Remained in the charts forn17 weeks


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 06:16 AM

Ians

The BBC were broadcasting an excellent folk music series on radio on Sunday mornings before the dates which you quote for Dylan and Baez.

It was also the BBC that gave Robin Hall and Jimmie MacGregor exposure to a wide television audience five nights a week on alternate weeks in an early evening news/magazine programme "Tonight" prior to the Hootenanny ITV show.
I speak from personal experience as I handled their bookings during that period in addition to running the Ballads and Blues Club from 1961-1965.

I think also that Hall and MacGregor (OK not a solo act)were signed to Decca before Felix but am not certain without checking.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 05:10 AM

you seem to be trying to rewrite history


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 05:09 AM

an over simplification, MacColl had an influence so did bert lloyd so did the singing postman he was signed to EMI who re-released earlier songs and recorded new items. He made numerous live and promotional performances, including on Top of the Pops, but was afflicted by nerves and stage fright.

In 1966, the Singing Postman's best known hit "Hev Yew Gotta Loight, Boy?" won Smethurst the Ivor Novello Award for best novelty song of the year.
In 1959, MacColl began releasing LP albums on Folkways Records, including several collaborative albums with Peggy Seeger. His song "Dirty Old Town", inspired by his home town of Salford in Lancashire, was written to bridge an awkward scene change in his play Landscape with Chimneys (1949). It went on to become a folk-revival staple and was recorded by the Spinners (1964), Donovan (1964), Roger Whittaker (1968), the Dubliners (1968), Rod Stewart (1969), the Clancy Brothers (1970), the Pogues (1985), the Mountain Goats (2002), Simple Minds (2003), Ted Leo and the Pharmacists (2003), Frank Black (2006) and Bettye LaVette (2012).
the dubliners had a hit with seven drunken nights in the mid sixties. all these people had an influence


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: Iains
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 04:58 AM

A bit of a history lesson. It is claimed MaCcoll instigated the folk revival. I would claim it was the BBC giving airtime to the likes of Dylan and Baez.
I had not heard of the critics    until decades after I last attended the Surbiton Assembly rooms, but the Folk club was providing entertainment, the critics instruction.
I think the dates clearly indicate the interest existed, and was pandered to by the BBC, before the critics were even formed. Julie Felix was In 1964 the first solo folk performer signed to a major British record label, when she gained a recording contract with Decca Records. By 1968 she was reportedly the first folksinger to fill the Royal Albert Hall. Also Robin Hall and Jimmiw Macgregor were stalwarts of the The Hoot'nanny Show in 1963/4



The ballad and blues club 1952
The critics 1965(mid)
Surbiton assembly rooms folk club formed 1961 by Dereck Searjant and Gerry Lochran. Biggest folk club in Britain at it's peak 23000 members

Discography
Bob Dylan 31.03.1965 THE TIMES THEY ARE A-CHANGIN' No9 in the charts
Joan Baez 18.07.1964 JOAN BAEZ IN CONCERT VOLUME 2 no 8 in album charts
JOAN BAEZ NO. 5 No 3 in Album charts 19.06.1965
JOAN BAEZ No 9 in album charts 27.11.65
FAREWELL ANGELINA No 5 in album charts 27.11.65
The best album credited to Ewan MacColl is Second Shift which is ranked number 50,637 in the overall greatest album chart with a total rank score of 7.
Ewan MacColl is ranked number 21,815 in the overall artist rankings with a total rank score of 7.

That MaCcol exerted an influence and created a legacy is undisputed.However I think the prominence given to the MaCcoll in the folk revival is undeserved. The real ones with the influence were those selling records and getting airtime, because they reached and entertained a much wider audience.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 03:14 AM

ian i am not affronted just pointing out his name was miller not millar. I have seen that clip before it tells me nothing new performance has always been about communication.
the guardian quote is hilarious, and just incorrect i think Ewan would have dismissed it as rubbish


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 25 Nov 19 - 12:03 PM

Ians,

Once again. All I was questioning was the quote which you posted from the Guardian where he was supposedly the godfather of folk in 1950.

Ewan was certainly important to one section of the folk audience at a later date. But there was a far wider section that was able to appreciate a less rigid description of folk to whom he was irrelevant.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: Iains
Date: 24 Nov 19 - 04:20 AM

@Guest Hootenanny.
The clip I posted on the folk music thread has a conversation where one of the Clancy Bros. makes the point that they started as actors and they had no qualms altering words in order to better communicate with their audience. They were insistent that communication was the key to success.
    This has some remarkable parallels with Ewan Macoll and more especially Joan Littlewood, whom he married in 1936. Littlewood created a radio documentary in 1939The Classic Soil using local voices/accents. This was followed post war in Stratford with a series of plays...http://essentialdrama.com/practitioners/joan-littlewood/
I would argue these influences fed through into the creation of the radio ballads (Groundbreaking radio programs) For Littlewood all this culminated in "Oh What Lovely war" that some argue has classic agiprop influences. It seems to me it is very difficult to separate the two entities from their bodies of work. I would argue they both fed off each other and the influences remained throughout their subsequent careers.
In a nutshell: The living soil predated the radio ballads. The workers Theatre Movement to the Theatre of Action long preceded Oh what a lovelty war.

As a total aside Joan Littleqwood played a major part in establishing the career of Brendan Behan. The above is a bit of a gross simplification but I find their interaction and influence on one another fascinating, as I cannot see where one finishes and the other starts. I do not think a discussion of Ewan Maccoll can be complete without bringing Joan Littlewood into the conversation.

Do you see a parallel here?
The Theatre Workshop's work reflected the ideas Littlewood was constantly developing. In addition to regular rehearsals for their various productions, the actors trained vigorously. Their days began with movement—a series of rigorous exercises based on Rudolph Laban's concept of the "human effort cube." This was followed by a period of vocal training and then by text and character work incorporating the theories Constantin Stanislavski set out in his book An Actor Prepares but adapted and extended into improvisation and theater games. From a later perspective, it is almost impossible to imagine how revolutionary Littlewood's teaching and directing methods seemed in England in the 1940s. Littlewood preferred to work with actors who were enthusiastic but previously untrained because they were largely unstructured, instinctive and highly individual, and not afraid to risk making fools of themselves. She ran weekend schools and summer workshops—most notably at Ormesby Hall, a grand mansion and garden in Yorkshire—from which she often garnered young recruits, molding them into the ensemble. She worked intensively and in great detail, believing that "the smallest contact between characters in a remote corner of the stage must become objectively true and relevant." One actor recalls, "She'd have all these ideas, more in an hour than I could think of in a lifetime." Said another, "We had intense emotional scenes very often … but I found Littlewood the most stimulating person to work with, the most co-operative person. She drew out whatever talent you had."


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 23 Nov 19 - 07:46 AM

I don't know whether I'm included in the two who have read the book but I did buy it not long after it was published and have read it a couple of times but I would have to re-read it again as one or two of the references seem a bit unclear after all this time. After that I would be pleased to take art in the discussion.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 23 Nov 19 - 07:27 AM

Ians,

Thanks for all that most of which I am already aware of. I was just querying the date.

I saw Ewan & Peggy almost every week from around late 1956 / early 1957 until 1961 when they left the Ballads & Blues Club and I took over booking the performers and continued the same policy that the BBA had used since it's beginning when it grew out of the skiffle movement.

It was just prior to Ewan and Peggy leaving that Ewan decided to introduce his policy of British singers for British songs etc. Earlier he had been happy along with Peggy and Shirley Collins to record in Lomax's skiffle group using British and American songs albeit "arranged versions".

I agree with you that he wrote some good songs. I am not "taking sides".


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: Iains
Date: 23 Nov 19 - 06:40 AM

@Guest Hootenanny
For convenience I would describe Millar's career in 3 phases, theatrical/activist, radio career (radio ballads 1958 to 1964) Then the formation of the critics group in 1865.1964)
This is a bit of a gross simplification because folk plays an important role all the way through from the Kinderscout trespass of 1932
The Kinder mass trespass was a deliberate act of civil disobedience by men of the Young Communist League of Manchester, and others from Sheffield.The protest was intended to secure free access to England's mountains and moorlands. . A young man called James Henry Miller, better known as Ewan MacColl, was a keen rambler and an enthusiastic member of the Young Communist League. He played a major part in organising the publicity for the trespass, duplicating and handing out leaflets, though this role is disputed. He took part in the trespass, and was shocked by the violent reaction of the gamekeepers who met the ramblers on the hill, and the extremely harsh sentences handed down by the magistrates to the five ramblers who were arrested that day.What MacColl did not know was that the protest was to have a powerful long-term effect, leading to improved access to the countryside in the shape of national parks
The Manchester Rambler was written shortly after this event. He changed his name in 1945, 1949/50 different sources quote different dates. It is unimportant anyway - actors change their names frequently. Who makes a meal of Marion Michael Morrison masquerading as John Wayne?
When, in 1953 Theatre Workshop decided to move to Stratford, London, MacColl, who had opposed that move, left the company and changed the focus of his career from acting and playwriting to singing and ri
composing folk and topical song. His political activism was still strong during the miners strike(ArthurScargill presented him with a Davy Lamp as a thanks). You cannot really untangle his theatrical work from his politics and his song creation. His first record was released in 1950
I am trying to take no sides in this thread (I have a bias. I could not stand his singing or the finger in the ear sitting back to front on a chair. I do not profess to like all his songs, and his politics stank)
BUT: He created some stunning work, recorded some memorable albums, collaborated with the greats(such as Lomax, and revitalised British Folk Music, while composing a host of songs that most would readily label folk. That is quite some legacy that no detractors can deny.

p.s.There is a plaque dedicated to MacColl in Russell Square in London. The inscription includes: "Presented by his communist friends 25.1.1990 ... Folk Laureate – Singer – Dramatist – Marxist ... in recognition of strength and singleness of purpose of this fighter for Peace and Socialism".


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 23 Nov 19 - 05:52 AM

Ians,

in your posting above there is a statement from the Guardian "godfather of British folk revival at 35". I believe Ewan was born 1915 which by   my calculation means that it was 1950 when(surely IF) he was known by this title.

I believe that 1950 is a little too soon before he began his full time acting role as a British folk singer.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Nov 19 - 05:28 AM

miller ,not millar if you are going to contribute please spell his birth name correctly


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: Iains
Date: 23 Nov 19 - 03:28 AM

Alot of judgemental remarks from people who seem to have an anti left agenda,hardly impartial fair criticism
Mr Millar was a political activist long before he involved himself in folk music." Millar was part of an agitprop theatre group, the Red Megaphones, who were associated with the Workers’ Theatre movement. Littlewood was drawn to their brand of theatre and political activism which contrasted markedly with her experiences as a student at London’s prestigious Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts (RADA) and then at the Rusholme Repertory (in Manchester).

The term agitprop is a combination of ‘agitation’ and ‘propaganda’ and originates from Soviet Russia.

Agitprop theatre uses:

    political themes and satire
    direct engagement with the audience
    caricatures or ‘types’ rather than developed characters
    characters engaging in a debate to promote a message

It is often performed on the street and written quickly to reflect current affairs. Writing in 1936 Littlewood described how modern theatre should ‘be sufficiently dynamic and forceful to break down all the artificialities which clog the ordinary cardboard stage … [We must] destroy all the paraphernalia which litters and obscures the play. We must strip our stage of all that is superfluous’.[2] It is easy to see why the immediacy of agitprop theatre appealed to her.

The Red Megaphones performed political skits and satirical songs on the streets, in factory forecourts and for the dole queues outside the labour exchange. Pieces reflected daily news and covered local, topical issues. Audience members were encouraged to get involved in the action.

In late 1934 Ewan and Joan formed the company Theatre of Action, in association with the Workers’ Theatre movement. They were influenced by the struggles of inter-war Britain, by the union movements, by the strikes of the 1920s and by the ‘Means Test’ introduced in 1931. They were also affected by the rise of fascism across Europe. The man was a communist - the evidence is overwhelming." From the Guardian: "Left school at 14, political activist at 15, founded theatre troupe at 16, on MI5’s files at 17, godfather of British folk revival at 35" "Millar joined the young communist league shortly after his fourteenth birthday and remained a member until the 60's and publicly supported the party until his death."
https://www.jstor.org/stable/25472794?seq=1
You cannot separate the politics, theatre and folk contributions, they are all interlinked. The facts are a matter of public record and undeniable.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Nov 19 - 03:21 PM

Alot of judgemental remarks from people who seem to have an anti left agenda,hardly impartial fair criticism


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: Iains
Date: 22 Nov 19 - 05:50 AM

@Pseudonymous
From his job jumping in his early days to his subsequent career in theatre, to his postwar migration to folk I get the very clear impression that he was a bit of a control freak and had always retained his independance. Just my impression but it would certainly create a problem for him when conscripted(as you point out) He had also been an activist from the age of 17 when I believe he participated in the Kinderscout trespass.
A few sources gathered in no particular order:
From: Joe_F - PM
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 06:35 PM

23 Aug 39: Hitler-Stalin pact
01 Sep 39: Britain enters war
24 Jul 40: E.M. conscripted
18 Dec 40: E.M. declared a deserter
22 Jun 41: Germany invades USSR
08 May 45: War in Europe ends
16 Dec 46: E.M. arrested
ca 11 Feb 47: Court martial canceled on medical grounds
26 Feb 47: Moved to hospital
10 Apr 47: Released,

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An entry in 1940 from the Commander of the 11th Battalion, King's Regiment, encloses a copy of the song Browned Off with which the young Miller had entertained fellow troops, and included the commendations "appeared to be a very good soldier of more than usual intelligence" and he "was NOT a grouser, and always appeared cheerful and willing".

Just two days later, MacColl deserted.


But MacColl's talents also earned him praise from police. In January 1939, Lancashire constabulary noted of his performance at a rally that he "showed exceptional ability as a singer and musical organiser". A note to the Chief Constable of Blackburn a year later, advised "in present conditions, it would probably be advisable to dissuade the town clerk from granting any future application from Theatre Union if it is made".

and
.his commanding officer expressed his concerns to Hyde Borough Police on December 16, 1940.

The report stated: "His influence over his fellow soldiers was that of a man of much greater intelligence than the ordinary soldier.

"In some ways they would follow him, though at no time was he ever discovered suggesting improper action, he may well have done so under cover. "

Two days later MacColl went AWOL.


In January 1941 a colonel wrote: Pte. miller has been absent from this unit without leave since 18th December, and there would appear to be something fishy concerning his absence, as communications have been received from his wife asking for extensions of leave.


https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/995/sandals-and-spooks

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4772328.stm

What happened during the war years is a bit of a blank,but it is surprising that MacColl was reinstated with the BBC so quickly, bearing in mind the authorities being so wary of him. That is an avenue that could do with researching.

A lot is made of him leaving school at 14 but The first major raising of school leaving age, a formal change in school leaving age policies occurred in 1939. Parliament debated to raise the age to 15, although this was delayed due to WWII and not formalized until the Education Act of 1944 and implemented until 1947.


https://www.artangel.org.uk/did-you-kiss-the-foot-that-kicked-you/ewan-maccoll-a-man-to-be-watched/

More on his arrest and dismissal on psychiatric grounds from:
Joan Littlewood's Theatre

https://books.google.ie/books?id=u4NsNL9XZ5MC&pg=PA57&lpg=PA57&dq=maccoll+court+martial&source=bl&ots=fi-cS9VB8U&sig=ACfU3U1Hcze

A man of many parts, British folk singer, songwriter, communist, labour activist, actor, poet, playwright and record producer.

Like everyone else he had a few warts and could sometimes be obnoxious, most seem to recall him positively.
I wonder what history will primarily remember him for?


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Pseudonymous
Date: 21 Nov 19 - 05:06 PM

@Iains

Yes, he was, complex, talented, and I think, flawed (who isn't)

He comes across as at points being a bit of what you might call today a 'prima donna'; he threw rages - many in the book refer to this, he seems to have had some problems in close relationships, he liked to be in charge,

but

on the other hand, he had good points.

For me, the book, as I have said, seems balanced, not shying away from, flaws and also showing the strengths, which is why I do think it makes good reading.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: Iains
Date: 21 Nov 19 - 03:41 PM

@Pseudonymous Thanks for the clarification. He was not a man to be described adequately by simple labels. He was a complex talented individual.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Pseudonymous
Date: 21 Nov 19 - 03:29 PM

"Iains"

The section in the book is interesting. I'd rather discuss this than get involved in conjecture if I can. Pages 60 to 83 cover it.

However:

1 I think that describing him as a 'deserter' is factually accurate.

2 There definitely were intelligent communists who did join up and serve. Being an intelligent communist or CP member (or a dim-witted one, presumably) was no bar. How far MI5 kept tabs on the whole party I do not know. I think some of them may have joined after Hitler invaded Russia, prior to that some of them were defending the Nazi/Soviet pact.

3 I do not know enough about what you have to be able to claim to be a 'conscientious objector'. I met one who was a socialist, and he was put somewhere on stretcher duty, which was by no means an easy thing to do. I do not know why MacColl did not take this route: I do not think he could claim, like Friends ("Quakers") could to object to war, per se, if that would be what was required. So, to sum up, I don't know why MacColl chose to behave as he did, or whether in fact he had any real choice here.

To hint at some of what the book says (I think it is well worth reading, and I learned a lot from it):

Harker cites Joan Littlewood as one source of information; she referred to letters sent home by MacColl, which sounded depressed almost from the outset. He also had access to MacColl's army records, and, I think, the MI5 material too.

Harker suggests that MacColl found the culture shock when moving from his own circle into 'the foul mouthed brutishness of army life'. The early morning drill sessions were, Harker says, 'torture' to him. So there were a range of factors involved in his desertion, in addition to his own political beliefs. I was not left with the idea that they regarded him as a dangerous subversive capable of motivating the troops to rebel: far from it. Nor was I left with the idea that he was capable of motivating the troops to rebel, to be honest.

There seems to have been a period of sick leave (his health was never especially good) after which he was declared a deserter. It took him about 5 months to get to this point.

I can't quite think where, but I think I have read this assertion that he was 'never charged' before. I think this may be a little misleading, if what it says in the book is correct. He was due to be court-martialled, which suggests that he had in some sense been 'charged'. I got the sense that he was charged or whatever the military terminology is, but that it never went to 'trial'. Checking with the book, it says he was arrested in 1946 and charged. He spent some time in prison. He got compassionate leave to attend his father's funeral. On his return he was told he faced time in the glasshouse followed by a tour of active duty. Joan Littlewood organised a campaign to support him using psychiatric evidence.

He was eventually discharged as permanently unfit, though Hacker sas the precise reasons are not clear from the records.

I won't spoil it entirely for those who have not read the book, but I think I have laid at least one commonly stated incorrect point to rest ie the 'he was never charged' one.

Sorry if this comes across as a bit rushed or unclear.













"postwar he was never ch


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: Iains
Date: 21 Nov 19 - 02:25 PM

I think the bare bones story that he deserted during WW2 is hiding some details. He was on an MI5 watchlist, His CO knew he had communist leanings, that he was highly intelligent, that there was nothing to suggest he was a subversive (Bur they may well have been terrified that he could be - Russia and the Reich had a non aggression pact at this time- up until Hitler sent some 3 million Nazi soldiers pouring into the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941.)
    I am surprised MacColl did not become a conscientious objector rather than a regular squaddie. I can well understand the authorities being very happy to let him go. I make no comment on the rights and wrongs of his actions. Without possession of the facts the motivations are pure conjecture. The authorities probably felt that someone of his intelligence and "theatrical background" with leanings towards Communism could become a right little tinker and a king of disruption if he put his mind to it. That was not a risk they were prepared to tolerate. I have no real evidence for this but the kneejerk reaction of some,calling him a deserter and traitor seems extreme. Postwar he was never charged. This would suggest there were more factors at play that have been examined.
    WW1 finished barely 2 decades before and memories of mutiny were fresh in many minds, further accentuated by the out of control Black and Tans and British troops sacking Cork in 1920. MacColl was a potential firebrand best kept away from uniforms I would surmise.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Pseudonymous
Date: 21 Nov 19 - 07:11 AM

The ending of 'Class Act', hinting at Seeger and MacColl growing apart in several senses, and stating he did not like it when Seeger did things without him, is sort of filled out by the account given by Seeger (Joe Offer kindly drew out attention to it) here:

https://www.bigissue.com/latest/peggy-seeger-recounts-when-she-realised-men-had-destroyed-the-earth/

Not only that but in regards to at least one project Peggy made a contribution not always acknowledged at the time, something else she now regrets. One felt that with all three of the main women in his life each made a great contribution to the success of his projects and career, often in terms of organisation and so on.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Pseudonymous
Date: 21 Nov 19 - 06:53 AM

Obviously the book contains an account of MacColl's desertion from the army and subsequent arrest and discharge.

It contains also interesting material on the following topics:

MacColl and his groups' ideas on the functions of folk clubs

MacColl and his goups' ideas on traditional singers

MacColl's autobiography, written in later years

The Critics Circle and the Singers Club

MacColl was hostile to 'pop' music despite others in his close circle and especially Karl Dallas putting it to him that this did have positive aspects. Peggy Seeger is quoted as saying she felt that NacColl might have benefited from engaging with it.

He was also, it appears, particularly vituperative on the subject of Bob Dylan.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Pseudonymous
Date: 20 Nov 19 - 07:05 PM

Obviously an intelligent and talented person, which is brought across.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Pseudonymous
Date: 20 Nov 19 - 07:03 PM

One or two funny stories like the time he said to people "imagine you have been away at sea and haven't seen a woman for ages" not realising two of them were gay, which apparently shocked him, but after that he stopped telling homophobic jokes (forget the page ref).

So there is some sense of it all being dated, with another example being his thinking Khruschev was too soft which is why he went over to Mao (I'm thinking he would have been supporting the cultural revolution??). All that seems so long ago.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Pseudonymous
Date: 20 Nov 19 - 06:56 PM

So I agree with the poster above who said buy this book and read it.

And then let's discuss it?


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Pseudonymous
Date: 20 Nov 19 - 06:55 PM

I've just been back over thus thread, and oh, oh, oh! One fears to discuss the book at all, but I should like to.

Pages of stuff and I can only be certain that two people had read the book in question. Some folk early on commented on its price.

I got it cheap on line.

Some information I had not known before, happy to be corrected if this is wrong:

MacColl's father had been a performer/entertainer, albeit occasional, part-time. So he had to some extent a role model in terms of being a performer. Interesting how often this sort of thing does go in families.

His mother ended up working like a lunatic to keep the family; his father lost himself a lot of jobs through politics: interesting life choices here ..

Kirsty MacColl was his daughter, but hardly knew him at all.

When his son put up football posters and pictures of pop stars in his bedroom, he threw a wobbly and tore them all down.

At one point he threw a wobbly and dumped Peggy Seeger for singing a gospel song.

In the critics group, Peggy Seeger and MacColl himself were not subject to the criticisms; Peggy later said that this had been a mistake.

Late in life he found he had alienated a lot of friends and family and he did not understand why. But by the end of the book you can sort of work it out.

As far as I can tell, this book gives good and bad points.

It was interesting on the US and Russian and Brechtian influences on his dramatic ideas. Interesting how ideas from dance got applied as ways of talking about singing styles: one of the radio programmes goes into this.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Nov 19 - 01:34 PM

"lifting the mood of the room "
One of the things MacColl urged in the Critics group is that the residents make sure the evenings were varied - speed, tone and mood
If you get four songs at the same speed and vocal weight, one after the other, your audience's "ears go to sleep" - they simply stop listening
He suggested a balance of accompalied and unaccompanied songs helped an evening strike a balance
Charles Parker once tested this by playing recordings of folkies to schoolkids
He got them to describe the plot of a song, then played similar sounding songs and timed how long before they weren't able to follow them
Worth thinking about, in my opinion
Jim


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Pseudonymous
Date: 20 Nov 19 - 11:01 AM

I learned a lot: for example, I did not know he had a Maoist phase, though that makes sense with hindsight.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: GUEST,Pseudonymous
Date: 20 Nov 19 - 10:59 AM

I'm just reading this book for the first time, and it is interesting and well-written.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Feb 18 - 02:28 AM

Iagree


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 05:43 AM

Dick - there are no rules. If you're a pro performer, but not a star,   you have to work out your own salvation on the stage. If you can make trad folk work for you, all I can say is well done!

I suppose I do get fed up occasionally with the job of lifting the mood of the room after some particularly earnest and demanding artistry, be it contemporary or trad.
Still, its a skill and you don't learn to do it in five minutes or by practising at home, although obviously that does come into the equation somewhere.

I suppose more than anything you learn it by having the guts to take on audiences where there is the possibility of failure, and slowly you learn what you were doing wrong. You learn to read audiences.

And when you know about folk, then you start to get a handle on folk music.


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 03:41 AM

Al , I know working class and midle class and upper class people who dont like folk music , i also know members of all 3 classes who do


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Subject: RE: 2007 Ewan MacColl Bio - Class Act
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 01:26 AM

I always thought of MacColl as a fascinating artist and charismatic thinker, as well as being a friendly decent guy.

To be honest one of the things I really loved about his work was his context in history. He was a kind of English bohemian intellectual that is no longer really feasible to modern minds,

Really he was the kind of intellectual/artist that Tony Hancock was so brilliant at satirising. That whole sort of ban the bomb/duffle coat 1950's chic.

I loved the independence of thought coupled with the sort of actor /manager swagger. In short he was terrific.

I could no more aspire to that kind of artistic endeavour than I could fly to the moon. I became a young man in the 1960's. So much had changed. we thought folk music was the future rather than part of a tradition. Its a subtle change. I suppose every generation hankers after modernity is what I'm saying. And the 1950's and 1960's saw a big difference in emphasis, even though we all had the interests of folk music at heart.


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