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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 08 - 12:59 PM

The other day I wrote that lately what is not being said or asked is screaming louder than what is said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Jan 08 - 01:24 PM

Well, that's certainly true Donuel.

          I agree with LH as well, about screening out Ron Paul. I would have loved to have been hiding in a back board room to listen to the gnashing of teeth when that guy in Florida put on that internet fund raiser for Paul that kept him in the race all this much longer.

          I suspect that wouldn't work for Kucinich, because folks who would contribute to him might simply donate to one of the major candidates.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 01:04 PM

The UK used to have a "balance" requirement in broadcasting. Not since Murdoch.

Kucinich is entirely correct that media ought to be insulated from non-media interests, but there are two other needs in that are.

First, there ought to be restrictions on concentrations of media power - so that a powerful block of print and broadcast media cannot become a publicity machine (eg Murdoch, with the Sun, the Times, and Sky). Look what Berlusconi achieved in Italy withthat sort of unaccountability.

Second, there should be a balance requirement in policitical broadcasting during elections - here we had Con, Lab, and Lib-Dem getting equal time, and some fun and games about the BNP and the Socialist Workers Party (and now Respect).

When the "election" is internal to determine a party's presidential candidate, similar rules ought to apply.

Of course, simple broadcast policitcal advertising ought to be banned outright: it simply adds power to the wealthy - but maybe just maybe the internet can start to emasculate that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 01:24 PM

"simple broadcast political advertising ought to be banned outright"

Agreed! All the candidates should get to present their own ideas...with equal time each...in a series of televized public debates and televized statements of policy. And that's it, period. Equal coverage to every candidate. If the public is too lazy to even listen to them, then they would have no one to blame for themselves for the result, would they? And most people would listen in a setup like that. And think of the money it would save!

To allow paid political advertising in the media is simply to ensure that the richest players control the agenda and determine who gets elected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 01:54 PM

Maybe that's what motivates Fox and ABC to exclude some of the candidates. They run a credit check on the various campaigns, then they determine which ones can afford to buy time in the most expensive markets and which ones cannot, then they eliminate the ones without deep pockets from the free debates, knowing they won't be able to buy air time once the debate is over.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 04:57 PM

Well...I think there's a bit more to it than that. I think it has to do with suppressing coverage of policie statements that are too far afield from what the Corporatocracy would like the public to be thinking about. But it does have to do with money too. It always does.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 04:14 PM

Well, I guess that's right. The really big money is made in war, the build up to war, and using the military to monopolize markets.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Jan 08 - 03:50 PM

"The UK used to have a "balance" requirement in broadcasting. Not since Murdoch."


                The US used to have a "Fairness Donctrine," but Ronald Reagan developed Alzheimers and forgot to sign it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Jan 08 - 04:12 PM

I don't know if it is still the case, but when I sold advertising in radio and in television, and speciality ad products, all political ads had to be paid for upfront, that is before they ran or were produced. The speciality products also had to have a union label. I think pay upfront was done to make sure even the losers had paid their advert bills, esp. in small markets where the mom and pop stations couldn't afford to write off bad debts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Jan 08 - 04:22 PM

I don't doubt that for a minute. It seems like I've read about some political campaigns that ended up not getting their candidates elected and left people holding the bag all over the country.

                      That leaves you wondering, of course, how the people who do get elected end up paying for their campaign bills.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jan 08 - 04:25 PM

Oh, they just hand around favours and lucrative contracts once they're elected, to those they are beholden to. That's how it works.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: Stringsinger
Date: 10 Jan 08 - 09:19 PM

I have posted this on the Obama blog and I repost it here.

OK, I have to reverse myself on Kucinich. I found out that he would run with Ron Paul as a VP and I find this intolerable. Paul is an avowed racist, and had views that run counter
to everything I believe in. DK has just effectively lost his bid for the presidential race by suggesting Paul as a running mate. What must he be thinking to run with Paul who supports David Dukes and is unseemly critical of African-Americans. You should all read Paul's Newsletters and find out what he thinks of Black people in the L.A. Watts riots. You should hear him rant about Euro-centric Americans and how they are being victimized by Blacks. You wouldn't believe it! Wow, was I mislead. He is also a closet Christian Fundamentalist.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Jan 08 - 09:24 PM

I won't say I could forgive him for everything but being Christian, but where did you find this?


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Jan 08 - 09:46 PM

Well, Frank, he claims he didn't write those newsletters: click here, but if you have more solid info on that and the other things you've posted about Paul, please let me know. I have been telling my sisters and a dear friend, progressive all that they do NOT want him in, but they keep thinking he's great.

If Kucinich really said he was thinking of Paul, he has lost my support, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jan 08 - 09:50 PM

Having just seen an interview on CNN that happened tonight with Ron Paul around this very issue of him supposedly being a "racist"...some really vicious smears that are clearly being spread noisily by some unknown fuckers who've been quietly hired by some other Republican Party candidate(s), Frank Hamilton, I think you are 100% mistaken about that, and you better check your facts and check 'em twice.

He spoke at great length about the injustice of how black people are being unfairly treated in the criminal justice system, and various other related matters.

You're chewing on a large red herring of the type that is released in all elections these days to ruin someone's candidacy. Just another "Swift Boat Veterans For Truth" effort is what I think it is. Dirty politics.

And you are spreading their message for them. That's your mistake, but not theirs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Jan 08 - 10:56 PM

The word I got from the Kucinich campaign at the national level (and I am in the Kucinich campaign myself - on the state level) is that, and I quote: "There will not be a Kucinich / Ron Paul ticket".

Frank, could you please post this to wherever you posted that stuff?


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Jan 08 - 11:14 PM

You'll have to admit, it sounds really strange!


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 03:48 AM

The only possible Kucinich/Paul link I can see might be that both are antiglobalisation - but I'm not sure I'm right on that, am I?


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 10:53 AM

Kucinich is one of the few Democrats still on the ballot in Michigan, so he might do well there. Hopefully some Obama and Edwards fans will vote for him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 11:26 AM

Ron Paul doesn't believe in the separation of church and state. Kucinich does. Ron Paul believes that the Christian churches should "eclipse the government in importance".

Kucinich and Paul have totally opposite plans for health care. Kucinich believes everyone should have it, and that profit motive should not be a part of the health care equation. Ron Paul believes that the market should determine who can have it and who can't.

Obama, by the way, believes that everyone should be required to have it, whether they can afford it or not. He has no plans to remove the extra costs that result from the profit motive of the insurance companies - in fact, his plan actually subsidizes the insurance industry. With Obama's plan, everyone will still have to pay premiums, deductibles, and co-pays to the insurance companies, and the insurance companies will still make their profits by denying care. Michael Moore endorses Kucinich's health care plan. He does not endorse Obama's health care plan.

With Kucinich's plan, the profit motive and all of its associated costs (advertising, lobbying, dividends to stock holders, etc.) will be eliminated, and we will receive a higher standard of care for less money overall.

Obama says he is against the Iraq war, but he has voted to fund it. Kucinich has voted consistantly to not fund it.

Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are good friends, and they share some of their beliefs about foreign policy, but their domestic agendas and some of their foreign policy ideas are completely incompatible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 11:31 AM

Thank you Carol that was very illuminating. I didn't realise that Paul was another religious maniac.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 11:37 AM

My own opinion, based on what he has to say about both religion and government, is that he's a dominionist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files complaint
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 11:52 AM

Well said, Carol. Amazing how refreshing the truth is when set alongside rumor and innuendo, isn't it? Kucinich is offering the kind of health care plan that already exists right now in Canada and in a whole bunch of other western democracies, and it's exactly what the USA needs.

Now here's what's going on.

There are a bunch of well-paid bastards in suits, people whose names we will never know, professional character assassins, who are professionals at hunting up dirt, making up false stories, and spreading rumors....for the highest bidder...their purpose being to destroy the name and reputation of any politician whose name and reputation they are paid to destroy. They naturally are sent after the most progressive politicians, and those whose policies might in some way alter the status quo in America in a way that would threaten the wealthiest and most established interests in the land.

They are also paid to knock off anyone who appears to be a threat that might take away a significant number of votes from whichever political machine or candidate has hired them.

This results in the most corrupt and cynical people in the race doing damage to the least corrupt and cynical people in the race! Why? Because the least corrupt and cynical won't buy the services of those bastards in suits that I mentioned above.

These character assassins will use anything....any scrap of information, no matter how misleading...to destroy someone's candidacy. They will make up anything, any ludicrous story they can come up with. They will misquote and quote out of context. They will misrepresent photographs out of context (and have already tried that one on Obama to try and make him look "unpatriotic" as compared to the other Democratic candidates).

Who pays these people to do what they do? Whoever is being most damaged by the people they are sent after, that's who.

Someone in the Clinton campaign is sending out some of these bastards to go after Obama. I bet it's being done very quietly, and we'll never know who did it.

Someone in the Republican machine is sending out some of these bastards to commit character assassination on Ron Paul, because what he is saying about Iraq and US foreign policy is screwing things up for the other Republicans (and even most of the Democrats).

Someone in the Democratic machine pulled strings to keep Kucinich out of the televised Iowa and New Hampshire debates, because his forthrightness and his policies make the other candidates look feeble in comparison.

It's dirty politics of the dirtiest sort, and I bet it's going to get worse. If Obama seems likely to derail the Clinton machine, these attack dogs in suits are going to be turned loose to destroy him, by any means possible. They will invent things to destroy him with if they can't find anything real...and many people will believe whatever they come up with.

Do you really want this to happen to your election process????

Do not listen to these scumbags. Judge a candidate on what he/she says, does, and stands for RIGHT NOW! Judge them by their platform. Because that's the only thing you really have to go on, frankly. "It's the platform, stupid!" It's not whether the man "looks like Herman Munster", it's the platform, goddammit!

Or would you rather let some muckraker like Karl Rove decide FOR you who should be president of the USA?


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 10:08 PM

"...would you rather let some muckraker like Karl Rove decide FOR you who should be president of the USA?"


                        They let him do it twice before!


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 10:33 PM

One of the things that makes me not trust Ron Paul is the fact that he's saying Canadians would prefer our system of delivering health care over the Canadian system. That's an outright lie, and I don't trust people who lie to me, especially if they're doing it to get elected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 12:14 AM

LOL! Well, Carol, it's either an outright lie, as you say...or he is just supremely ignorant regarding how Canadians feel about their national health system. I figure it could be one or the other.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 12:17 AM

It's the standard lie they tell people in this country to scare them into not supporting the kind of health care system you have in Canada.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 12:18 AM

(It's the main reason we don't have a system like yours already.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 12:46 AM

Yes, I think you are dead right about that. It is the standard lie.

Part of running for office in the USA is repeating all the old mythology, all the old lies one more time so that everyone feels good and believes that you, the candidate, believe in America!

myths like...

"we live in the greatest country on Earth" (Ha!)
"we have the best medical system in the world" (grossly untrue)
"this is the land of the free" (as if there was no other such place???)

(Mind you, if having more atomic bombs and stealth bombers and cruise missiles and invading more other countries than anyone else does makes a place "the greatest country", well then, you're home free in the USA, right?) ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: bankley
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 07:55 AM

New Hampshire primary votes to be recounted. Go get 'em Dennis, keep sluggin' Ron....


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 08:32 AM

Well, slight thread creep here but I heard on NPR recently that when "health" of the general populations of the 19 most wealthy counties were compared that the US ranked dead last... Yet spent the highest % of it's GNP on Health care...

Wish I had as link... Did anyone else hear about this study and perhaps have a link???

Now back to the discussion at hand...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 09:30 AM

It rings a bell, Bobert, but I have no link.

My memory is that France came top for health, and the UK fourth, not sure on cost figures - but that may be the prune juice talking.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 10:43 AM

I have to correct something I said about Obama. Unlike Clinton and Edwards, his health care proposal actually doesn't require everyone to buy coverage. In that way it's not really universal health care. He's characterizing it as "virtually universal".

Basically he's saying that with his proposal, economy of scale (creating a large risk pool) will bring the costs of insurance down, and he's saying that by bringing the costs down, everyone will want to buy insurance. This sounds good, but if everyone doesn't decide to buy it, the risk pool may not be big enough to bring insurance costs down low enough for most of the currently uninsured to be able to afford it. It seems a bit circular to me. This guy thinks that Obama knows his plan won't work, but that it's not important because he knows he can't get it passed anyway...

http://www.spot-on.com/archives/holt/2007/12/president_obamas_brilliant_hea.html

Clinton's and Edwards' plans are just as bad in their own ways. If everyone is required to have insurance, how will it be enforced? And what if someone still can't afford to pay the premiums, even with their plans? What sort of penalty will they be subjected to?

Same guy as above talking about Clinton's and Edwards' kind of plans here...

http://www.spot-on.com/archives/holt/2006/04/post.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 11:39 AM

Like auto insurance in some states. You have an accident, they discover you were driving uninsured, they impound your car.

                   I could be like that with health insurace. You have an accident, they rush you to the hospital. They discover you have no insurance; they donate your body to science.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 11:43 AM

LOL

Or maybe, you get sick, they discover you have no health insurance, they put you in jail. Or maybe they fine you and you have to pay the fine with the same money you didn't have to pay for the insurance premiums.

People aren't looking at the fine print of these candidates' health care plans, I think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 11:55 AM

Simply outrageous. The first responsibility of medicine is to heal the sick. Not some of the sick. Not just those who can afford to pay. All of them.

A society which cannot provide free medical care to its population (and to a visitor who happens to be in the country travelling, say, and gets injured in an accident) is akin to a family which will not give assistance to its own children when they're sick or feed its own children unless the children put X amount of money in the mother's hand first!

That's not a family, and it's not a society, it's a criminal oligarchy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 12:32 PM

Quite so, CarolC and LH.

However, here we have a system that compels you to take a corpse if you are in the specified famalial relationship, and dispose of it (or the state will and will send you the bill), and teh cheapest cremation canbe done is about £700.

So if teh state would like to take my body and use it (and not charge my kids), I'm very cool with that. I tried to donate my body to science to save that cost (my father did likewise) but the donees will not guarantee to take he body in case it is is no good for science, for example if there has been a post-mortem. So if they are not going to agree to take it, I'm not going to agree to give it to them.

I'm all up for the state turning Burke and Hare....


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 12:42 PM

LOL! I understand what's concerning you there, Richard. We have a sort of similar problem here. I don't know who will get stuck with paying for the disposal of my scrawny body when I "check out", because I have no children or immediate relatives like that who are likely to be there to deal with it.

The state may be forced to grit their teeth and pay for it! ;-) Although, realistically, I think they would probably simply dip into my savings and make me posthumously pay for it myself. That's my guess.

Since I won't need the money anymore at that stage, I guess it's a moot point.

What really worries me, though, is what they may do with my collection of model kits and my lifesize statue of William Shatner.

(Fret, fret!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 03:15 PM

I don't like it, but my friend who is head of the WY health care commissionof something like that, and who has been in the nitty-gritty sessions dealing with the issue, including meeting *Arnold* and hearing about his plan explained it to me like this:

Everyone has to buy insurance. Those who cannot will still be able to get coverage it will be based on their income/disability/etc. The reason they would make it mandatory is to get the largest pool possible to keep the costs down and the coverage up, i.e. cover all pre-existing.

I can see how this would make some sense as in my Rog works for a large corp. which is able to keep the ins. premiums down because they have a large pool and can negotiate lower rates. However, we choose how much coverage we want to pay for and THAT can cause undue hardship, for instance, because of the deductible and co-pay, my trip to the ER last Oct. cost us about $1600 after the ins. co paid their portion. I do not have $1600, so they will have to take small, small payments for a long, long time. Yes, having insurance helped, but we need ins. that covers virtually everything with perhaps a small copay. As it is, the monthly things which crop up and begin again each calendar year with the deductibles accruing over the year, etc. add up to way too much of our budget. One drug, with no generic available costs me a $60 copay every month. We don't get by one month without spending at least $180 for prescriptions and up to $250 with other related needs added on.

I don't like any of the proposed health reforms I've heard about. I will not be satisfied until we have coverage for every American. If it needs to be funded by a universal tax or something, fine. With the money we'd save on medical cost, now, it would not be a burden. I would love to see a Congress with the backbone to remove war funding and apply those trillions to health care for all AND with the backbone to say NO! to the insurance and drug companies.

A girl can dream, yeah?


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 03:26 PM

In all reality, I don't see it working unless you include everyone in the system--I think Arnold's right about that.

                Otherwise, you would have people not covered showing up at the emergency room when things got that bad, and their costs would be really high. Also, I thought Arnold was using the concept of the entire group so that the state (gov.?) could go forward with a preventative program that would surely save money in the long run.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 03:32 PM

Look at it this way...if the USA gave up on its foreign wars and foreign interventions and overseas bases in other people's countries and scaled down its military spending by, say, 30%....it could afford to pay for all the medical care of everyone in the country from then on! And it could still defend the USA itself if necessary, no problem.


Results?

1. A happier and healthier nation.
2. A world which likes the USA a whole lot better.
3. Some military contractors who would have to stop building all those weapons and start putting their efforts into medicine instead.

Sounds like a plan to me...


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 04:16 PM

Yes, LH, you are right. That's how she explained Arnold's plan to me and it made sense to me then.:-)

Rigin..I doubt our country would ever be *brave* enough to do so, but it would be nice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 04:23 PM

Let's see, you have to be brave in order not to go to war, right? So what's all this bravery in Iraq that John McCain keeps talking about?


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 04:32 PM

Ah, well, there's physical bravery, which is of the moment...and which is very desirable in time of combat or sudden physical emergency.

And then there's moral courage, which is a wholly different matter. It requires facing different forms of danger than the physical variety, more longlasting forms of danger, and it must meet the demands not just of the moment...but of the long haul. It must take the needs of many others into account, not just the needs of the men in one's combat unit. It is less common than physical bravery, and much more vital in the field of politics and social action.

A wolverine is physically brave, but can you trust him to do the right thing when it may not be in his own personal interest?


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: Peace
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 04:50 PM

You can trust a wolverine to behave like a wolverine. More than can be said for most people, imo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 05:04 PM

True. ;-) But can you trust him to act selflessly in the interests of the general public?


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 05:55 PM

Arnold's plan is underwritten, which means that people can be rejected for having pre-existing conditions or if they are sick.

You should look into Kucinich's plan, katlaughing. It covers everyone, and nobody pays any premiums, deductibles, or co-pays. Everyone who is income eligible would pay into the government administered, not for profit system, and all of the expenses related to advertising, CEO salaries, lobbyists, profits, etc would be eliminated. You would still be able to choose your own doctor, and he or she would bill the government administered system for your care.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: Peace
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 06:04 PM

"But can you trust him to act selflessly in the interests of the general public? "

Wolverine, politician, same-same.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 06:14 PM

A health plan that rejects people for pre-existing conditions wouldn't do any good. That's one of the major problems with the private health plans now.

             One place I think the Republicans are right, though, is in the area of malpractice suits. The awards on those need to come back to reality.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kucinich files a complaint
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 06:45 PM

Here's some information on Kucinich's plan...

http://www.ontheissues.org/2004/Dennis_Kucinich_Health_Care.htm


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