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Subject: BS: Rate it - How good/bad is your car?
From: GUEST,Arnie
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 10:06 AM

I've had the following cars: Ford Econoline van - Poor quality ( would never buy another Ford ), Dodge Neon - Poor quality, Chrysler Caravan - fairly good quality (although many others have chronic transmission failure problem ), Toyota Corolla - Excellent quality and reliability.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Amos
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 10:15 AM

My RAV4 is perfect.

My previous car, a 2004 Toyota station wagon, ran steadily for 150K miles and had no problems except a bad case of psoriasis (the paint peeled).

I had a Chevy Cavalier before that and it stopped dead in the middle of rush hour one morning because a lousy capacitor went out on a circuit control board for the battery.

I had a wonderful big Chevy Van with a V8 engine before that, and it generally ran very well, but the carbon sensor on the throttle control got coated and it suddenly started limping and choking and going no more than 30 mph until we had the damn sensor replaced.

Before that I had a Toyota 4WD pickup truck that always ran perfectly.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: SINSULL
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 10:28 AM

2000 Ford Winstar with no problems. Have always had good luck with Fords and for some reason I sit more comfortably in them.

Worst nightmare - a Chevy with a faulty catalytic convertor (a company car) which I finally abandoned on Queens Blvd in NYC. It was less than six months old. Damn thing would shut down - no power steering/no power brakes with no warning. Nearly got me killed.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 10:47 AM

We had a Ford Escort Estate on which the electrics would go with monotonous regularity.

We now have a Toyota Yaris (the tall, estate model, you know, a Grandad car!) in cherry red and it's lovely. So far, had it about 20 months and it's not had a mechanical thing wrong with it.

Even the stereo is fantastic. My only complaint, no sun roof, but hey, with electric windows, air con and a great stereo, who needs one?!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: ranger1
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 10:51 AM

I have a 1999 Subaru Outback station wagon and I love it! I bought it used from my boss a couple of months ago and it already has allowed me to drive in road conditions that I never would have dared with my Chevy S-10 pick-up. And this is without the snow tires!


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Becca72
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 11:02 AM

Currently driving a 2002 VW Passat and it's the best car ever! 130K miles and nothing major wrong with her. It's comfortable, rides like a dream and has a ton of features. I bought it from the original owner about 3 years ago and I hope it lasts forever. The only drawback is when things to break it's more expensive to repair, but it's worth it! I'd like to shake the hand of the man who invented heated seats, too!!

My previous vehicle was a 1998 Jeep Cherokee. I got rid of it when, at 200K miles, things started to go. Exhaust system was rattling and such. If I'd been willing to put the time and money in she probably would have gone another 100K miles.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Charmion
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 11:08 AM

Without snow tires, Tammy? In Maine? Are you nuts? Or just very, very daring?

I'm a Volkswagen lover. I like the design, fit and finish; I know what to expect from them; and they come with Diesel engines. I really, really like Diesel cars -- as long as you keep the body in good shape the engine just keeps going and going and going. Also, I like passing fuel stations.

I've had only one VW lemon: a 1980 Rabbit that suffered from mysterious water leaks that tended to soak the fusebox. I drove a 1986 "classic Diesel" Golf for 17 years, and sold it to a guy trading up from a 1982 Rabbit that his wife wouldn't get into any more.

We now have two cars. Number 1, Indigo Jones, is a 2003 Jetta TDI station wagon (yes, a Granddad car) that comfortably hauls us and all our stuff -- including any God's quantity of instruments -- wherever we want to go, with a range of more than 1,100 km on one 50-litre tank of fuel on all-season radial tires. Number 2, Eric the Red, is Edmund's new 2009 "clean Diesel" Jetta sedan, which has yet to make a long trip but has already proved itself an excellent winter-handling car despite its silly special windscreen wipers.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: GUEST, heric
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 11:14 AM

My Accord is perfection in engineering and artistry.

Bought it new in 1988. Twenty years this month and 247K. Maintenance costs next to nothing. Paint is still deep shine black. I want to be buried in it.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: ranger1
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 11:22 AM

Charmion, haven't had the chance to put them on yet. Kind of like the guy with the leaky roof, you know?


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: ClaireBear
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 11:40 AM

After years of adequate but uninspiring Saturn wagons, I defected three years ago tomorrow (happy early anniversary, honey!) to a Mini Cooper. It's one of the newer BMW Coopers; I haven't time or money for the required maintenance on a classic British car, and having had a Triumph 2000 years ago I speak with some authority on that subject.

But anyway,how I love my car! I haven't regretted it for a moment. To get to work, I have to cross a mountain range on a highway that's notorious for its accident levels, and I've never felt safer than in my Mini. It really grabs the road. Plus, the mileage is great, and with the included maintenance, we felt that the price was quite reasonable.

And while it's small, my son and I found room to take a 2-week car-camping road trip to Montana in it a couple of years ago. We were packed to the rafters, but that was part of the fun.

Claire


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: number 6
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 11:46 AM

Currently I have a Subaru Forester .... Love these cars, for their quality, practiblilty, and reliability.

This is my 3rd after previously owning a Subaru Outback, and another Forester.

Great cars ... remind me of the old Volvo 240's.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 01:01 PM

Hard to tell. My 1991 Honda Civic Si is just about broken in (189,000 miles) and my new (1994) Mazda Miata is positively virginal at 87,000. I'll let you know when something breaks.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 01:05 PM

Quality varies so much by model year that we can no longer "buy with brand loyalty." Today's biz environment has removed the reasonableness of brand loyalty in favor of the big-box marketing approach.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Ed T
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 01:08 PM

1999 Toyota Solara, an excellent car all around...150 k
1999 Subaru Legacy, same as above...226 k, (like a snow mobile in snow)
2002 Acura (Honda) RSX, (130 k)m good, but not up to the standards of those above.

I gave my daughter my 1990 Toyota Celica in 2000, with 150k on it. Mechanically it is still fine at 236k....and was driven every winter on salty roads since 90.

My neighbour has a 1994 Toyota Celica with 590 K on it, did only regular maintaince on it... and it still works and looks fine.

Caution, Japanese cars can be good, but you have to rust proof them every year....unless you live in really warm/dry environments.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 01:35 PM

My ancient Nissan Micra is wonderful. Very fuel efficient 50mpg and so far no major costs beyond the odd tyre and minor repairs.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 01:46 PM

2, 7, and 9 series Volvos (redblock, ie 4 cylinder). Change the cambelts, change the oil, clean the oilbreather, they go for ever. Turbo 2.3 litres and the twincams go fast for ever! Estates - for the man who has everything, and wants to take it with him!. But thirsty. Best I ever get is 25 to the UK gallon. I have a lead right foot.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: kendall
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 01:51 PM

I've had everything from a 1928 Dodge to a couple of Cadillacs and even two Mercedes Benz. Right now we are driving a 2001 Hyundai, and I have to say I find no fault with this car. 32 mpg, snappy, and well worth the price which is much lower than a Toyota.

We also have a 1997 Chevrolet pick up that is like driving my recliner. Only one serious problem so far; the fuel pump. It's inside the tank and when it went to hell it cost me $700.00 to fix.

I'm hoping that Detroit will be forced to learn how to build quality cars as they did way back when.This antique Chevy we have is a good example of what they used to build. Solid and comfortable.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: GUEST,Arnie
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 02:27 PM

Interesting so far - car ownership of imports seems somewhat high amongst folkies it appears , and we like to drive our cars for many years with lots of mileage. ( Maybe not a good marketing sign for the Big 3 )mmmmmmmmmmmmm


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 02:53 PM

I keep losing cars to teenage drivers, who then destroy them in a short time...

Heric has a 1988 Honda Accord, the cool-looking one with the flip-up headlights. I had a dark metallic red 1989 Accord with gold pinstriping and gold wheels, and I thought it was a perfect car. I promised to sell it cheap to my girlfriend's stepdaughter when she completed two semesters of college, which I thought she would never do - I was wrong, and sold the car to her for a song. She promptly bashed it up, and sold it a while later.

I bought a bright red 1999 Honda Civic two-door, which I loved even more than the Accord, but that went to my stepson when he started to commute to college this year. So far, no damage - but I rarely get to drive it any more.

So, this year, I bought a rather staid 2006 Civic from the estate of a dead priest, who had driven the car less than 10,000 miles. After two sexy red cars, this one is a bit of a letdown, but I have to admit that it's wonderful to drive and that is has a terrific sound system.

The "Silver Ghost" is the sixth Honda I've purchased, and all have been perfect cars.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 03:11 PM

Apart from a Volvo V70 estate (station wagon in US) I have had Nissans for the last thirty years... no problems with any of them. Will stick with the brand as they seem so reliable.
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 03:32 PM

1999 Honda Civic LX. Runs just fine, good mileage, 107,000 miles on her.

I want to know about the Triumph ClaireBear had 2000 years ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 04:06 PM

When in US

I learned to drive a 1972 seirra grey Chevy Impala drove numerous 10 hour trips back and forth eastern Virginia / western West Virginia between 76 and 79 (exhusband's college years) and to Midland Texas. Damn thing was a tank. -Totaled by a gun wielding lunatic in Midland Texas in 1982.

1980 dark blue Chevy Citation - went forever with few problems until the fuel injector crapped out. Still used it as work vehicle when I had domestic business in 1989-93, until I could not handle pumping the gas pedal 100 (yes I really mean 100) times to get the thing to start. I mean gods the work (cleaning houses) was hard enough. Had to use a wooden crutch to hold the hatch up to get my equipment out.

1988 white Isuzu Trooper (my favourite) kept overheating and cracking engine block due to stupid $6.00 thermostat. Got in the habit of changing the thermostat every 6 months just to be safe. This truck was haunted. If I left any windows (these were NOT power windows) open, even a crack over night, some how the lights would go on and the battery would be dead in the morning. I learned after about the third battery replacement to check all the windows before going to bed. Car was still going pretty strong when I left the US for the UK in 2003.

I don't drive now and God I miss it. Chris' car is a 1998 Seat Arosa. Has had a few niggling little problems, but on the whole good value for the money. Soon to be replaced with either Vauxhall Corsa or Ford Focus.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 04:24 PM

I've got an N reg ford escort...it's fine, goes well now Paul replaced the fan belt which went the other week, and it has a heater.

Paul's got a collection....landrover...no heater but still goes very well. A military lorry (don't know which one but it's BIG!) a 1955 Willis Jeep....thats ok but it's open top and only has 3 gears and one of them is reverse. Also got 2 range rovers one is for off roading so he doesn't damage the landie again!


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: heric
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 04:32 PM

>a 1988 Honda Accord, the cool-looking one with the flip-up headlights.<

I'm glad that was noted - I was trying to exercise some restraint. Ever since I was a little kid and saw a 67 Thunderbird ad in a National Geographic - I still remember that picture - well, I had to wait twenty years for flip-ups.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: GUEST,PeterC
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 06:57 PM

I agree with MrsDuck. The only problem I had with a Micra was that it was too small for 2 people, luggage and camping gear for a festival. The Almera isn't so hot on petrol consumption but I can drive to Whitby in comfort and its just as reliable.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: maire-aine
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 07:18 PM

I've got a 2005 Ford Focus and it's fine for my purposes. Gets 28 mpg on city streets (seldom drive freeways). It's a little spartan for my taste, since it doesn't have cruise-control or power windows/doors, but I got a good deal on it. Before this, I had a 1998 Ford Contour. I have a very narrow driveway, so I'm limited in my choices.

m


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Genie
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 07:34 PM

My 1989 Corolla now has over 273,000 miles on it - original engine, original 5-speed tranny - and still can get 30 to 35 mpg on the highway and over 25 in city-street driving. Never had a ring job. valve job, or anything more major than replacement of timing belt (twice), alternator (twice), clutch (once), struts (once) and brakes PRN. Damn fine little car!


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: GUEST,bigrickpa
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 08:48 PM

here goes,
i have had all fords since 1986, mainly trucks, but just bought my first car since 1979, a ford fusion.
all of my trucks have gone at least 200,000 mi. for me, with no major problems. the line up now is...
1999 f-150 4x4 w/ 228,000 on it, best truck i ever owned, now in the hands of my son.
1999 f-250 diesel 4x4 w/ 177,000, for towing my camper, 20mpg empty, 13 mpg towing a 8k trailer, best mpg i know of towing.
1997 expedition 4x4, 230,000, room for 8 and gets 16 mpg. was the wifes, but now one of the daughters.
2008 fusion, 31- 33 mpg on the hwy, rides like a large car, very pleased so far.
2008 chevy malibu, wifes company car, nice, but i like my fusion more.
i keep buying fords because they have been very dependable, more than the toyotas and nissans i had in the early 80's. don't know why some have had their problems with domestic cars, might not be the cars, might be the drivers. i've seen some people treat their cars pretty bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Gurney
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 12:12 AM

Here in NZ I have a Mitsubishi van, 13 years old and never any trouble, but it is really a mobile toolbox.
The family car is a 3litre V6 Toyota Camry automatic, which may go on forever if the electrics don't get any worse. It is capable but boring, and prefers to cruise.
The Mitsi 1.8litre manual that it replaced was getting unreliable at 210,000K, but would eat the Toyota, despite the size difference, on anything but a dead straight road, and it felt safer on that. More flexible suspension, too.
I liked that car, but it was always trying to kill me. "C'mon, let's go FASTER!"


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 02:59 AM

Sorry, didn't realise GUEST on 16th at 3.11 was me.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 04:55 AM

We've had a lot of Peugeots (104, 6 x 205s, 505 estate, 2 x 206s, 306 estate) and had no real problems with them but we've avoided 307s because they are reported to get electrical faults. Having said that my 205GTi had electrical problems but that was to do with a non-standard alarm system that once locked me out of the car with the engine running. Lucky that the sunroof was open.
I've had a mark one Ford Escort that juddered at over 65 mph, a Ford Fiesta which I wrote off when it skidded without warning and a Ford Sierra 1.6 that drank like a fish. Don't like Fords now!


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 07:22 AM

'05 Honda CRV.......... A-

'98 3/4 ton Chevy truck.....B+

'91 Toyota Camry SW............B+ in it's heyday but down to C+ form age and abuse...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 07:34 AM

"I've never felt safer than in my Mini. It really grabs the road."

I agree - I learned to drive in one of them. They're very nippy. I'd have one if I didn't need something a bit bigger for taking to festivals, transporting teenagers and dog, etc.

I own a 6 year old Ford KA. It's fine, though I have had to have a new clutch and some other bits that cost me £700 just before Christmas last year...I think it has its MOT in January *fingers crossed*


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 07:55 AM

I'm green with envy, Ruth... I just love the Mini...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: RangerSteve
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 09:24 AM

My first car - an Oldsmobile. I understand why they don't make them anymore.
No.2 - a Rambler - actually an American Motors Hornet. They stopped calling them Ramblers, but that's what it was. It was ok.
As for cars that they still make, my Chevy pickup was alright. My chevy Blazer had problems and I'd never buy another. My Jeep Wrangler was fun to drive but a piece of crap when it came to repairs, which were often and expensive. If I totalled all the repairs, I'd probably find that they equaled the original price of the car.
My Toyota Echo is the best car I've ever had. The problem is with the pedals. They're so close together that if I'm not careful, I end up stepping on the gas and brake at the same time. I hit a deer the other night, so it's in the shop. I'm driving a rental right now, a Dodge Dakota pickup truck. It's really comfortable, and I'd consider buying one. The only problem is that you can't fast forward the CD player. I have no idea how they overlooked that.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 10:46 AM

We have a Subaru Forester and a Honda Civic. Both are fine cars.

A story - yesterday was snowy. I found myself behind a white sedan which was sashaying all over the road. (I gave it lots of room.) 'Must be a cheap car,' I told myself. Soon the car turned into a driveway with a slight slope and got stuck. As I passed it, I saw that it was a:

BMW!

What a shame!


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Amos
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 10:59 AM

That's a really serious issue, there, Steve. :D

It is interesting that the Japanese motor industry, which seems to garner all the kudos in this thread, was taught process improvement methods by an American business guru whose advices were being ignored by American industry untilt he great economic invasion by Japan in the 1980's. I have forgotten his name, unfortunately.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Chris Green
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 11:03 AM

We've a 2003 Renault Kangoo 1.5 diesel. Does 55mpg and despite the small engine for such a big car it moves like shit off a shovel! Fold down the back seats and you have a van. It's the best car I've ever owned.

Chris


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: GUEST,Charmion's brother Andrew
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 11:22 AM

Charmion wrote, "Number 2, Eric the Red, is Edmund's new 2009 "clean Diesel" Jetta sedan, which has yet to make a long trip but has already proved itself an excellent winter-handling car despite its silly special windscreen wipers."

A-ha, so that is how your tranportation debate ended!

I do not share my sister's love of VW's, they are overpriced, less reliable and their maintenance more expensive when compared to the Japanese vehicles I have known.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Terry McDonald
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 11:39 AM

I drive An Alfa Romeo 156 - it has its little quirks but was there ever a better looking family saloon, or one that handles better? There's also the pleasure you get when someone who's never ridden in one before can't find how to open the rear passenger doors!


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 12:05 PM

Hi Kids: T'Ain't nuthin' wrong with STEVE'S car...It's ALWAYS about who's drivin' and how well you take care of it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMc2RdFuOxI&feature=related
BR


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 12:47 PM

I am absolutely in love with my '06 Hyundai Sonata and would recommend any Hyundai to any person who asks ~ certainly anyone in the market for a new car.

I believe that this company's products provide the best value-for-price in the entire industry, because the company does not have the well-established reputation for quality enjoyed by its Japanese competitors. The first Hyundais to arrive in the US were, indeed, of dubious quality, and the company is still paying the price for their damaged reputation in the form of rock-bottom MSRPs. The quality has improved, dramatically, and the reputation will improve in time, probably pretty soon, at which point the prices will rise until roughly equivalent to Toyota, Honda, and Nissan.

My previous car was a Toyota Camry, also an excellent and economical vehicle. My feeling about the Sonata is that it is every bit as good as a Camry (or an Accord), gets slightly better gas milage, provides significantly greater interior room (especially in the back seat), and costs several thousands dollars less. What more could you ask for?


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: kendall
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 02:08 PM

Just shows you how important first impressions are. A reputation is like a hymen; one prick, all gone.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: number 6
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 02:19 PM

Jeeeezuz Kendall .... whew ... ok.    :)

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: kendall
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 04:41 PM

I forgot the part about the balloon. A reputation, a balloon and a hymen all have one thing in common.

I'll get my hat.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Dec 08 - 12:24 PM

Toyota Yaris.
Because it was red and I didn't have much time.
Not had it long enough to say how good a 5 year-old car is, but the detail design leaves a lot to be wished.

three windscreen wipers, all different sizes with different carriers and even the rubber is different! Designed for driving on the right so the little wiper leaves dirt right in the view-line, and the big one doesn't clear the rain in the middle of the arm right in the view line. I could go on about a lot more poor detail. Not sure where it was desinged but it is made in France, and that is of significance.

The previous version of the Nissan Micra was a lot better on detail, made in the UK I believe.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: skarpi
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 04:39 AM

a peogeot 407 2007 ,model is the best car I have ever had its diesel
2000 ltr engine , 140 horse pwer , and 340 NM pulling .


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 06:09 AM

I hate to say it because I don't like bringing the wrath of the motoring gods down, but I do have my fingers crossed as I type:-)

Everyone said I was mad to buy a Fiat but my 2003 Stilo 1.9 JTD has been wonderful up to now. I got it at at a year old and have added over 60,000 trouble free miles to it up to now. Unlike earlier Fiats the build quality is excellent, apart from an ashtary that doesn't close and a broken glove box hinge. The 1.9 JTD engine is simply the best diesel I have driven. Economical, coupled with amazing performance for it's size and the comfort and space is great.

I would swap it tomorrow. But only for the estate car version with air con:-)

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 06:58 AM

A story - yesterday was snowy. I found myself behind a white sedan which was sashaying all over the road. (I gave it lots of room.) 'Must be a cheap car,' I told myself. Soon the car turned into a driveway with a slight slope and got stuck. As I passed it, I saw that it was a:

BMW!   What a shame!


Holidaying in Wales, just collected hubbie's daughter and her friend from Treforest on the way to Cardiff, black BMW pulls out of blind street into main thoroughfare just in front of us causing us to swerve and break suddenly. What popped out of my mouth.

BMW = Blastid Master of Wank

I will never own a BMW... couldn't bear the stigma.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 07:14 AM

Hey - I'm glad it's not just me who has noticed that BMWs seem to come with a frontal labotomy as standard...

:D (eG)


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 07:47 AM

I want a load of magnetised yellow diamond shaped signs that say....

Small minded person on board.

One for every prat owned car I encounter that is parked over two spaces. Or I could just stick sanitary towels to these cars.... indicating the driver must be on the rag.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 08:25 AM

Yo, Ranger Steve...

The "Hornet", if I am not mistaken was a Hudson...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Mooh
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 08:28 AM

One year ago, almost to the day, we bought a 2008 Toyota Rav4, and it has been great. This week the windshield showed signs of not wanting to completely defrost, but was better this morning, and that's been the only issue. It's great in snow and on ice, and does have snow tires right now. It's reasonable on gas, carries a lot, pulls well for its size, is quite comfortable over long distances (we went to Nova Scotia from Ontario in 2 days last summer), came with a decent cd player, and the roof rack will actually function for the canoe.

Previous vehicle was a Plymouth Voyager which we drove into the ground, 340,000km, but it had little true character. Had lots of other cars and trucks, but my favorites were a '74 Volvo and an '84 Dodge half ton pickup...that is until the Rav4.

What the hell does Rav4 mean anyway?

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 09:43 AM

These are all the vehicles I've had since 1971

1.        Ford Cortina
2.        Morris Minor
3.        MG 1100
4.        Triumph Herald
5.        Vauxhall Viva
6.        Honda 50 [moped]
7.        Simca
8.        Morris Marina
9.        Nissan Cherry
10.        Renault
11.        Nissan Micra
12.        Peugeot 405 [Company car]
13.        Citroen [Company car]
14.        Kia
15.        Daihatsu Hi Jet
16.        Daihatsu Move
17.        Fiat Brava
18.        Nissan Micra
19.        Rover 416
20.        Renault Laguna
21.        Rover 214


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 10:00 AM

Mooh:

Good choice!! My '07 RAV4 Ltd is a gem. The seats heat up, you can make phone calls fromt he steerign wheel and talk normally to anyone you like while cruising withthe cruise control set at 75, and the 6-CD player automatically waits for you to hang up before resuming play. It turns on the interior lights when you get on and when you stop so you can find your way in and out or gr5ab your parcels or what have you, and it locks itself when you press the keyfob and tells you politely it has done so. ("Beep! I'm locked"). The spare is accessible, the tools are adequate, the dash is informative, and the gas mileage is almost what my smaller 4-cyl Corrolla used to get.
All in all a wobnderful machine. It handles so well, it almost drives itself, but responds instantly if you need to intervene.

A

PS: The name stands for "Recreational Active Vehicle with 4-wheel drive," although not all RAV4s have four wheel drive, which is optional in some countries.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 10:00 AM

Repeated from another thread for those who didn't see it first time around:

All answers are models of cars (with my usual warning about spelling variations). You are not required to give the maker's names, although "I've got a little list" in case they're wanted.


CHEERS
Nigel (Time Waster General!)

1       What name is given to a male deer, or an all male gathering?
2       Which everyday item of confectionary has the least fattening centre? (known by a different name in the states!)
3       Which island is in the bay of Naples?
4       What name for an unknown god, or for Brahma, is also used to describe one's soul or spirit, particularly in the title of a Dennis Wheatley book?
5       Which is the eighth sign of the zodiac, covering parts of October & November?
6       What measures 105mm * 148mm ?
7       What fruit is used to flavour Kirsch?
8       What is the favoured weapon of Whitbread & Sanderson?
9       What musical term means 'at a quick, lively tempo' (slower than Presto)?
10       What word describes the winner of a physical competition (usually male)?
11       Name the family, a Dr Who, The Monocled Mutineer, & Charlie Burrows (in The Upper Hand)?
12       What is the name of the hot humid wind originating in the Sahara which blows into the Med, and onto the Canaries?
13       What, according to Baden-Powell's original ideas, was the basic unit of the Scout Association?
14       What translation of 'Master' is often used to refer to a conductor?
15       Who painted the destruction of 'Guernica', the first victim of saturation bombing?
16       What word describes a skirt with the hemline above the knee?
17       Which Spanish island of the Balearic Islands lies southwest of Majorca. The island attracts tourists and artists and has Roman, Phoenician, and Carthaginian ruins?
18       What is the last word of the motto of the RAF ?
19       What word describes the outermost part of the rind of an orange, lemon, or other citrus fruit, used as flavouring?
20       From what is cochineal prepared?

Answers may be found at: SQ2 scroll down to 20 Sept 2006


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 10:57 AM

Mr H - being a pedantic b**tard I must point out that a Honda 50 is not a moped - To be a moped it must be capable of being powered purely by pedal power as well as the engine. Interesting thing about the Honda 50 - The further you advanced the timing the faster it would go. So, set at it's furthest using the vernier adjuster you could get nearly 60 out of them (down hill and with a good tail wind) It was pretty scary though. Crap at low speeds if you did and it wouldn't pull when you were 2 up but fun all the same:-)

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 11:09 AM

Years ago after packing up tent, bedroll etc after a festival & loading the 'nifty thrifty', I mounted it wearing a heavy Hi-pack & started off to go.

The bike started doing wheelies, the front end lifting right up!!

I had to stop & repack, distributing all the load more evenly


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 11:27 AM

YEah, but it would have done wheelies even if it had been a VeloSolex with that load!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Ed T
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 12:11 PM

Mr Happy, Which one of these cars made you happy?


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Goose Gander
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 03:39 PM

CHEVROLET S-10 Pick-up truck
1991
4.3 liter engine

Still running well, odometer is broken but I estimate I have around 300,000 miles on it. One problem - have to enter vehicle on the passenger's side because of bad ouch on driver's side door.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Phot
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 04:15 PM

I still have my brilliant Discovery, but at 20 years old is feeling a little tired in the body department, hence the Hybrid Theory thread. Currently have a Skoda Octavia SLXi 20 valve turbo, same engine as the VRS. So its stupid quick (Wheelspin in third at 60 anyone?) but with a light right foot will give 50mpg!

First car was a Mini Clubman estate then.....

Skoda 130 Rapid Coupe(Tuned to the max!)
Skoda 130 Rapid Coupe
Skoda 136 Rapid Coupe
Skoda 130 GL
Skoda 136 Coupe
Skoda Favorit GLXi estate (Bloody awful!)
Ford Escort 1.6
Volvo 260 GL
Landrover 110 V8 CSW
Range Rover Vouge HSE
The previous 110 V8 again!
Discovery V8........Soon to be a Hybrid
Skoda Octavia SLXi20VTurbo

Wassail!! Chris


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 09:01 PM

2003 Toyota Corolla for basic daily transportation. Great car.

2001 GMC Savanna cargo van. Strictly for haulin' pottery to art fairs and the occasional chore the Corolla can't handle. It's a tool, not a car.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: GUEST,JP2
Date: 20 Dec 08 - 07:59 AM

Current stable consists of
1952 Morgan F4 threewheeler
1961 Ford 100E Popular de Luxe
1999 VW Passat TDI 110
2005 Seat Ibiza 1.4S
1982 BMW R100 RS
1978 Honda 250 RS
and that's all we've got room for, although we did see a very nice 1953 Sunbeam Talbot 90 for the right sort of money recently.
Here in the UK the Morgan and the Ford don't pay Vehicle Excise Duty(Road Tax) and the insurance for both cars with UK and European recovery and unlimited mileage comes to the princely sum of £109-57!!
So they don't cost an awful lot to run and give us a lot of pleasure.
JP.


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: GUEST,John from Kemsing
Date: 20 Dec 08 - 11:10 AM

Some time back, when representing my company, I had a super silver finish car. All the taxes, fuel, maintenance and repairs, where necessary, were paid for and should it be off the road at all, "BINGO", another one appeared. Now that`s what I call a good car.
My daughter once asked me, " Dad, what`s the best car to drive?"
I replied, "Somebody elses, my Pet!!"


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: GUEST,KP
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 09:24 AM

From Amos:
'That's a really serious issue, there, Steve. :D

It is interesting that the Japanese motor industry, which seems to garner all the kudos in this thread, was taught process improvement methods by an American business guru whose advices were being ignored by American industry untilt he great economic invasion by Japan in the 1980's. I have forgotten his name, unfortunately.'

This is the guy who taught the Japanese car companies all about quality

W Edwards Deming

Studiously ignored by the US car makers and much of the rest of UK/US manufacturing until the late 1990s.

KP
(drives a much loved but thirsty Mercedes E320 Estate - the old W124 series. 170k miles and gets a lot of guitars and amps in the back)


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 11:13 AM

People mentioned the good selling Chrysler K car's failings.

Well, there was the GM X car (ie the Citation and other clones) that has high sales but is seen as a failure because of many design flaws. As with the K cars, the X cars mostly brought GM into the front wheel drive generation in the 80's.

Ford did not fare much better with its Mercury Lynx and clones....that eventually led to the Escort. This car was so poor, the insurance agencies listed it as the least likely car to be stolen in the period (even the car thieves did not want it). Only much later did Ford do better when it linked up with Mazda, to produce the Tracer. But, it was built in Japan and Mexico (not Canada or the USA).


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Subject: RE: BS: How good/bad is your car?
From: pdq
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 12:53 PM

GUEST,KP...

Here is another pioneer in industrial quality who helped the Japanese become competitive after WWII. Both he and Deming were trained by Western Electric/Bell Laboratories. Yes, the much-maligned phone company:

                                          Joseph M. Juran


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