BS: KISS keep it simple

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 09:40 AM

The treatment you refer to is promising. But it is not a cure. We hope it will be, we want it to be, but it isn't yet. The sources that report on this report on it accurately. Perhaps you should take a lead from them. As for your cosmological meanderings, why not take a hint from your own thread title?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 10:01 AM

Fortune favors the doers, don't give up learning.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Rain Dog
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 11:17 AM

"I have often said anyone and everyone should hold a view of cosmology be it for religious or scientific curiosity or knowing where they live."

In a book* I was reading recently, I came across mention of Dr. Jack Van Impe. It seems that in 2001 he said that black holes fulfill all the technical requirements to be the location of Hell.

*The book was The Devil's Atlas by Edward Brooke-Hitching

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 03:54 PM

If you think about the unstoppable collapse of a body to form a black hole, you might think that the body ends up with all its matter concentrated in a single point of space – the singularity. But again, this picture of the spacepoint-singularity residing in the center of the black hole is simply wrong. Using our analogy, you can see why. The singularity is the whole of the axis – and the axis represents a space direction. Hence, the singularity is not a point in space – it is infinitely extended!

This is exceedingly weird. From the outside, the region of a black hole looks like the surface of a sphere (in our model with two space dimensions and one time dimension, like the circumference of a circle). But inside that sphere, which has only a finite surface area, you can “hide” objects that are infinitely large – infinitely extended in space. How does this work? Again, it works because time and space trade places. Our simple scenario corresponds to an eternal black hole – a black hole that has always existed and will continue to exist indefinitely in the future. From the outside, the black hole is infinitely extended in time, but has only a finite size in space. Inside, the tables are turned: Time is only of finite extent (it starts at the horizon and ends abruptly at the singularity-axis), but instead one space direction, the axis direction, is now infinitely long.

If you have a hard time getting to grips with this mixture of time and space, rest assured that physicists have a hard time visualizing it, as well. Luckily, physicists have a language in which the properties of simple black holes can be formulated very precisely – the language of mathematics -, and using this formulation as a guide, it is possible to develop a pretty good intuition about spacetime containing a black hole.
This analogy isn’t perfect. In the analogy, the change-over of space and time happens suddenly, at the boundary. In a more precise formulation, the change-over is more gradual. In a way, the time direction is bent more and more inward as you get closer to the black hole. As the bending is strong enough to prevent any object from moving in any direction but inwards, you cross the horizon.

Also, the black hole is an especially simple specimen. It is spherically symmetric – a so-called Schwarzschild black hole, after Karl Schwarzschild who, in 1915, was the first to write down the equations defining and describing such a black hole; a special solution of Einstein’s equations of general relativity. (However, it took physicists more than forty years to understand the weird spacetime geometry that Schwarzschild’s equations imply!) As has already been mentioned, this type of black hole is eternal – it has always been there, and will always be there. More realistic black holes with a definite beginning (for example those produced by the collapse of a massive star) or eternal black holes which rotate all have a somewhat more complex inside structure.

Apart from these qualifications, the analogy holds, and it does capture an essential aspect of a real black hole’s spacetime geometry – time and space changing places at the horizon, and some fundamental consequences of that exchange.

Under such intense gravitational fields, no life could survive so experiencing time going in directions unknown to life will never be experienced.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 04:38 PM

There were fewer of these eternal primordial black holes after the big bang but the number of new black holes increased over time at such an increasing rate that the effect on space gradually grew and is fairly pronounced today. Noticing the rate of black hole formation and the accompanying growth of space expansion is all that I found promising.
Looking back on this it was really not that hard.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 04:48 PM

Seeing a geometric relationship is easy for me but what looks impossible to me is solving the Swarzfield equations that Einstein proposed.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 05:38 AM

The 03.54 PM post is not the work of Donuel (which hardly needed Sherlock to figure out) but is a straight lift from the website Einstein Online. Hope this helps.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 07:18 AM

What makes spinning stellar black holes different from a static Eienstien black hole are internal zones where centrifugal zones are so strong that they stall the gravitational force inward and create time zones that nearly stop and electrodynamic forces that shoot out the poles.

Since the human brain is made by our universe the quantum structure of nanotubes and the nothingness of the central vesicles may offer more clues to the quantum nature of time and the if anything can happen it will happen properties that would really piss off Steve regarding subjects like ESP and prescience.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 07:25 AM

Speculate away, dear boy. If there's one thing in this universe that's utterly boundless it's your capacity for fantasy.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 08:29 AM

Thank you, being forward looking is not always fantasy.
We have many different words for it. I think our future concept is what separates us from dogs who have only an inkling of the future but enough to be successful in the hunt. The words we use for this ability are many; able to see around corners, prophesize, predict, prescience, crystal gazing, etc. but fantasy is not among them. All in all we are fairly successful with it. Perhaps one in several billion people are remarkably good at it. I'm about one in 2,000.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 08:47 AM

You left out the one word that fits, deluded.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 09:38 AM

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 11:08 AM

Donuel,
I asked, up thread, if any of your musings had appeared in a reputable scientific publication and the answer was, basically, no.

As a follow-up question, have any other non-scientific common interest groups received the benefit of your insight in the way this music orientated site has?

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 11:29 AM

I am not a PhD physicist nor do I publish papers. Nor am I a self-promoter or a competitive advertiser of art or ideas except in this minnow pond of social media pond. Is that a bad thing? I think not. I am as amateur as they come. You may think that sounds like hubris but I think it sounds like humility to me. I suppose I am the nail that sticks out.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 11:35 AM

Well rot my flay-o...!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 12:06 PM

Knowing yourself will always be more important than knowing others,
It is rare to feel proud of an achievement after 4 years or 40 years. Most of the time a feeling of satisfaction comes from a very short lived task.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 12:25 PM

The better I know myself the better I can know others in a more limited way. I believe the marketplace is a poor measure of true excellence. Just being a professional who does something for money is not the best measure of abilities or being a good human being.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 12:28 PM

Nor am I a self-promoter ...

I beg to differ.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 12:45 PM

... have any other non-scientific common interest groups received the benefit of your insight in the way this music orientated site has?

So, is it just Mudcat then?

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 12:46 PM

The context included the word -except in this social media...
When encouragement is hard to come by sometimes we have to make some ourselves. I loved Muhammud Ali for much of his clever self-promotion.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 01:22 PM

Muhammad Ali was a superb boxer, the greatest of all in my book, and a supreme athlete who didn't need "clever self-promotion" in order to be appreciated. He was the very best at what he did. "Clever self-promotion" is generally used by less talented individuals who need to thrust themselves into the public eye in order to get noticed and get by. I know of a player of a musical instrument (which I'd better not name...), for example, who purports to teach the instrument online and who writes lots of articles but who isn't actually that good. That sort of thing. Something to reflect on perhaps.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 01:56 PM

Judging me is pretty far off-topic but it makes certain people feel good I suppose. Symmetry is the universal clue to answering many problems, relates to fractal chaos theory, and all around is fundamental to beauty in our mind's eye. Everything that works for me won't work for others who have not had weekly migraines, dyslexic properties and all the other dissimilar experiences in life. It's the old example of nature and nurture. As for Ali, the measure of his craft is equal to the ethics of being a good human being, something that is rare except for the most remarkable people.   Also sport is one of the obvious and few endeavors that are mostly meritorious and not a subjective judgment.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 02:29 PM

Also sport is one of the obvious and few endeavors that are mostly meritorious and not a subjective judgment.

In Muhammad Ali's sport of boxing, unless it's by a knockout, the result is completely subject to the judgement of the officials.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 03:25 PM

'mostly' was chosen for such exceptions, Iceskating and gymnastics is way too subjective imo

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 08:09 PM

There is a fine line between art and some sports.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Apr 23 - 07:42 AM

THEY ALL LAUGHED
(George and Ira Gershwin)

The odds were a hundred to one against me
The world thought the heights were too high to climb
But people from Missouri never incensed me
Oh, I wasn't a bit concerned
For from history I had learned
How many, many times the worm had turned

They all laughed at Christopher Columbus
When he said the world was round
They all laughed when Edison recorded sound
They all laughed at Wilbur and his brother
When they said that man could fly

They told Marconi
Wireless was a phony
It's the same old cry

They laughed at me wanting you
Said I was reaching for the moon
But oh, you came through
Now they'll have to change their tune,

They all said we never could be happy
They laughed at us— and how!
But ho, ho, ho
Who's got the last laugh now

They all laughed at Rockefeller Center
Now they're fighting to get in
They all laughed at Whitney and his cotton gin
They all laughed at Fulton and his steamboat
Hershey and his chocolate bar

Ford and his Lizzie
Kept the laughers busy
That's how people are

They laughed at me wanting you
Said it would be Hello! Goodbye!
But oh, you came through
Now they're eating humble pie

They all said we'd never get together
Darling, let's take a bow
For ho, ho, ho
Who's got the last laugh now

They laughed at me wanting you
Said, it would be, hello, goodbye
But oh, you came through
Now they're eating humble pie

They all said we'd never get together
Darling, let's take a bow
For ho, ho, ho
Who's got the last laugh

Hee, hee, hee
Let's at the past laugh
Ha, ha, ha
Who's got the last laugh now

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 03 Apr 23 - 09:11 AM

Columbus, Edison, the Wright brothers and Marconi got out there and did something about it, not spout on about it to a group of people who were really rather more interested in something else.

If enough buzz words and phrases are cobbled together then, by random chance, they may coincide with fact at sometime. It's a bit rich for someone then to go on and claim they had the original thought before anyone else.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Apr 23 - 09:14 AM

"People used to laugh at me when I said I wanted to be a comedian. Well they're not laughing now."

(The late comedian Bob Monkhouse)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Apr 23 - 10:15 AM

Original thoughts often come in pairs.
Regarding Calculus, Newton was only one of its originators. Marconi had several simultaneous rivals, and Edison was ultimately outdone by Tesla today. In physics, there are numerous examples.

Gershwin picked several people who have become villains in today's society. I may be the only person to rhyme castles with assholes but it is surprisingly possible for you to say something original right now.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Apr 23 - 10:26 AM

Rhyming "castles with assholes".
Wow, is there a Grammy on you horizon.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stanron
Date: 03 Apr 23 - 10:45 AM

I was going to mention that Marconi used more than one of Tesla's patents to 'invent' radio without letting on. I'm not sure if he ever payed him for the use thereof.

Darwin only published his Origin Of Species because someone else had the same idea and, apparently, there is an ancient relief carving of a light bulb in Egypt. Powered perhaps by the Baghdad batteries.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Apr 23 - 11:35 AM

That
lightbulb looks more like the first vibrator

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Apr 23 - 11:49 AM

Or an ad for an ED cure.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 23 - 10:03 AM

A simple solution to school mass shootings is about to emerge.
It will bypass the second amendment. It will bypass the NRA and the gun lobby. It will undoubtedly make some politicians more strident.
IT IS THE BOYCOTT OF SCHOOLS BY STUDENTS who don't want to be legally shot by Republican legislation anymore.

I predict it will be slow at first but will take on a life of its own that will be bi-partisan if not pre-partisan. The ramifications and implications are enormous

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 23 - 10:18 AM

The paradigm will shift to the Constitutional rights of States to march its children to slaughter like cattle and the Constitutional rights of children.

The freedom to open carry machine guns will be a consequential issue and not the central issue.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 23 - 10:39 AM

Teamwork makes the dream work.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 23 - 09:47 AM

Some they do and some they don't and for others its just as well but for sexually active people it is a good idea to make abortion an integral part of dating sites and apps. The true majority of pro-choice folks need a wider base.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 23 - 10:01 AM

Many people do not know that Ukraine was a leading nation in bio engineering and genetics. In fact, they had methods and applications of biomedicine not allowed in the US.

The advances in mRNA and CRISPR is about to help grow more food, cure more disease and create synthetic life. It is a brand new medical landscape today.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Apr 23 - 06:12 AM

Governors are speaking up about the megademic of assault weapon gun deaths. Its time to bring back the AR ban.

We used to have one.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 02:46 PM

The market for caskets is dying. 60% of people choose cremation. One can even choose mulching today. Caskets are expensive and control 85% of the market by selling to funeral homes. There is an alternative called Titan Caskets that average 1000 bucks on Amazon. A cheaper more fun alternative casket came to mind. A variety could range from the Great Western pine box to the bass fiddle for under 500. Novelty caskets could include the dirt Buick, the daisy pusher, the sarcoughogus and sarcasmgus.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 07:49 PM

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 08:03 PM

"Don't be evil" is a Google meme. this goes nowhere far enough in the developing AI revolution IMO. I've tried to develop awareness about AI for about 7 years to no avail. Where it is now is amazing, It has saved over a billion hours of PHD time and solved all 200 million protein constructions in biology. In half a day it can go from beginner to entirely new never seen before chess strategies.
It can write 2 million stories in the time a human could write one.
Today it can suffer from hallucinations but it also can do things that defy human understanding. Then again we do not understand our own consciousness. Philosophers, engineers, physicians, artists and legal minds will be needed to define ethics for AI.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 08:55 AM

There is a war between those who believe what is inevitable and those who believe what is possible. Erring on the side of what is possible is life. The inevitable is always death.
This is most apparent in climate change.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Apr 23 - 06:10 PM

A Rouge black hole the size of 20 million of our sun has been seen to create stars in its 200,000 light-year-long wake. Thats big.
Perhaps it was formed by multiple mergers.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Apr 23 - 12:04 AM

A "RED black hole", Donuel? I'm trying to picture that. Do you mean "rogue"?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Apr 23 - 10:17 AM

It is both since it is red shifted by distant acceleration but I misspelled rogue/

Unknown spherical drones have been filmed by the US military in active war zones in Iraq. They have no propellers and look like polished metallic globes.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Apr 23 - 10:20 AM

Imagine the size of some black holes as extending from the sun to the orbit of Jupiter or Neptune.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Apr 23 - 10:06 AM

Oh dear, I believe I have invented the protein bomb. An enzyme turns the strong knots/bonds of the collagen protein bonds into slip knots. Instead of an explosive that tears bodies apart, a body falls apart silently without the binding protein of collagen. A cocktail of enzymes could theoretically liquify mammalian species. DARPA would pay millions for this workable EVIL technology. Quantum biology has impossible surprises. For example, the sense of smell was theorized to be a receptor lock and scent molecule key model but quantum biology shows that we can sense the vibration of molecular bonds.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 23 - 10:22 AM

The thread title invites us to keep it simple. Now I wonder who came up with it...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Apr 23 - 02:55 PM

I enjoy simple pleasures, ideas, and perseverance toward successful discoveries.