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MARINER 05 Mar 01 - 01:41 PM
Steve Latimer 05 Mar 01 - 01:43 PM
Bert 05 Mar 01 - 01:51 PM
Wesley S 05 Mar 01 - 01:51 PM
Allan C. 05 Mar 01 - 01:56 PM
gnu 05 Mar 01 - 02:07 PM
Amergin 05 Mar 01 - 02:15 PM
Murray MacLeod 05 Mar 01 - 02:22 PM
Clinton Hammond 05 Mar 01 - 02:22 PM
Matt_R 05 Mar 01 - 02:30 PM
Allan C. 05 Mar 01 - 02:35 PM
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Subject: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: MARINER
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 01:41 PM

There are so many threads now mentioning St.Patrick that I began to wonder about the amount of 'catters of Irish origin. Then I began to wonder about the origins of all 'catters.How many of German ancestry?, how many of Arabian, Afro American?,Scots?, Welsh,Cuban, whatever.Satisfy my curiosity,Let's know.Where did your ancestors come from.Does your interest in music stem from your ancestors?. Just curious. Mariner


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 01:43 PM

My Father was born and raised in Dublin. My mother is a Cape Breton Island McLean, Scottish originally but the family has been in Canada for many, many years.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Bert
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 01:51 PM

Mostly English. 1/8 Irish. My Mother, and all the women in her line as far back as abyone can remember, had red hair. Much to the consternation of the old women in the village I passed this trait on to my daughter.
Old Lady - "Where did that baby get her red hair?"
Wife, in a haughty tone - "Oh we don't talk about that".

I like to think that the red hair went all the way back to Boudicca, but it probably didn't.

I've got dark hair and gray eyes so way back the family may have been British.

Bert.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 01:51 PM

Irish and German on my mothers side and Native American { Cree tribe } and French on my dads side. It's a long story how we came up with Smith for a last name. And yes - the Irish background has been an influence on my musical taste. Mostly because that side of the family played musical instruments and passed down an interest in music.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Allan C.
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 01:56 PM

You can find my story along with those of many other 'Catters here.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: gnu
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 02:07 PM

Irish and French, a veeerrrry common mix in in southern New Brunswick, Canada. The population of NB is about 35% Irish decent and about 30% French decent. Fifth generation Irish father, ?'th ( a lot ) generation french mother. By nth generation, I mean from the time of landing in Canada. Irish trad, the troubles, early folk, Maritime, and the like are my passion.

g


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Amergin
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 02:15 PM

american.....


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 02:22 PM

Which tribe, Amergin ?

Murray


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Subject: Ethnic origins
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 02:22 PM

LOL!! American isn't an ethnic background!! LOL!!

I'm a Canadian, saddled with a typical Heinz 57 mix of genes... Scandinavian, Scotts, English (Norman), German, Irish, and I'm pretty sure there's more in there somewhere...

;-)


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Matt_R
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 02:30 PM

1/2 Italian (immigrant great-grandparents)
1/4 German
1/4 English


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Allan C.
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 02:35 PM

In answer to the other part of the question about how my ethnic background affects my music, I can only answer: not at all. I know only few English folksongs, although I would like to learn more. I like some of the French folk tunes I have heard but have never been able to do much more than mangle the language.

While I am very interested in learning more about my family histories in England and France, there is something within me that keeps pulling me toward Mexico and I have an odd connection with the city of Merida that I cannot explain. I am especially fascinated by the Mayan civilization which had quite a bunch of major centers not far from there. However, I have never been to Mexico except for a weekend in Acapulco when I was an infant. But I would love to visit Merida, the Mayan ruins, and to travel much farther south (as in Central America) from there as well.

No, I don't know any good Mayan folksongs but I'm open to learning one.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: wdyat12
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 02:42 PM

Scotch-Irish on my mother's side of the family. In the days before a TV in every house and even phones on Georgetown Island, the people here, mostly of Scotch-Irish origin, used to meet at several dance halls on the island on the weekends. Live fiddle music was what we kids heard growing up. Everybody danced to the old tunes and the kids were encouraged to dance too. That all changed during the fifties when TV and drive-in movies lured the younger generation away from the dancehalls. That was my earliest exposure to live music and yes my ethnic background influenced the music I listen to and play today.

wdyat12


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Sourdough
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 03:25 PM

I started to write a paragraph or two add to this discussion and then got carried away by the topic. THis is not an argument, more like a series of thoughts rather than a response to anyone in particular's posting.

This idea of "ethnicity" is interesting. Does "ethnic" mean French or English or some other nationality? So many of the European countries are modern constructs that if you are talking "ethnic" wouldn't it make more sense to talk about beng Welsh, Breton, Tuscan or Bavarian as examples rather than saying English, French, Italian or German? Now, if we are talking about who we identify with, perhaps that would be something different. It may not be an important distinction as long as we don't try to ascribe behaviour to our genes.

My wife is German, or more accurately, Bavarian. She finds it interesting how many Americans consider themselves German because they have some German ancestry in their background. She often hears, "I'm German, too". She used to think that it meant that they had grown up in a German speaking household or that they spoke German or had perhaps lived there or even visited there. Instead, it seems to mean that they identify somehow with Germany, generally as a whole, rather than with a particular cultural region. These people get a nice feeling when they hear German traditional music, they feel more connected somehow when they go to a local Oktoberfest, and they feel free to interpret their personalities as though they are made up at least partially of "german" traits as they understand them. It can often mean a lot to them, it is part of their identity.

One of the most interesting discussions about this happened one afternoon when the subject of ethnicity came up. Two acquaintances were talking about the traits they had inherited as a part of their ethnic heritage. One was Swiss and the other was German, at least some grandparents of each came from those countries. The "Switzer" saw herself as conservative, rather bourgeois and very dependable, traits she had inherited from her Swiss ancestors while the "German" saw himself quite differently. According to his self-inventory, he was stubborn, aggressive in business and had a belief in Social Darwinism, all of which he ascribed to his German ethnicity. He also happened to mention that his great-grandfather was from a village near the Lake of Constance. It turned out that the German woman's family, or at least the German part of it, was from that region too. In fact, their "ancestral homes" were only about 30-40 km. apart. This has not been a closed border. The lLake has provided the means for a lot of contact over the centuries.It is hard for me to think of these people as being ethnically separate. Perhaps there are some cultural differences. I don't think that anyone could look at ten photos of people from one group and ten of another and say which group is which.

If it were possible to talk with the immigrant ancestors of many Americans, people who came here, say, 100 years ago, I think most would tell us that they would have been very proud of the fact that they had had the courage to get up and leave a culture that had little opportunity for them and to risk starting over in a new country.

I'd be really interested to hear an Australian point of view on this.

Sourdough


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Matt_R
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 03:37 PM

The town in Italy my great grandparents came from was settled by the Longobards in 1000 A.D. How's that for history? Lol!


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: fat B****rd
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 04:29 PM

my greatgreatgrandfather came from alsace and apparently his family weer french or german (prussian) depending on how the war was going,his grandfather's death certificate was in french and his grandmother's was in german. GGF went to sunderland and hw and his brothers married lorrcul lassus and that makes me an anglofrenchgermanmaccum so there


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: R!
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 04:37 PM

1/4 Irish and 1/4 Swedish from Mum; 1/4 Scots and 1/4 English from Dad. My musical tastes are a sideshoot from my interest in English history which began when, as a child, I saw Churchill's funeral broadcast on TV. I saw all that pagentry and wanted to know more about the culture. Parents never encouraged any investigation into family origins.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: mousethief
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 04:40 PM

Part Irish, part French, part Blackfoot, part English. Happy to be alive.

Alex


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: tiggerdooley
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 04:51 PM

Well, I'm from Liverpool, UK, and that's kind of an ethnic origin all of it's own!!!!
But there's a bit of Irish from all sides (look at the surname for goodness' sake!!) Some would say that's why I'm always talking, telling stories, singing, dancing and laughing (even in work - I work in a library!) However, we don't want to reinforce stereotypes, do we!!! Besides, there's European stuff in there too, or did the Irish stuff frighten it away?


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: GUEST,Sabine
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 04:57 PM

german. From the origin as far as I know. There was an aunt from France some generations ago. don't know when. But I believe there must be a little Irish in it, or celtic, when I look at my mother and her brothers and sisters :o)))


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Peg
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 05:00 PM

father: Italian/Sicilian

mother: Irish/Scottish/English

peg


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 05:12 PM

Red hair in Ireland is said to have come from the Danes, bert. Though you can never believe the fellas who make up that stuff, and the acadedics are the worst.

When I was getting into the music when someone used the word "ethnic" they were talking about myusic that was close to a native tradition and culture, so "an ethnic singer" would mean someone like the Copper Family, and an ethnic dancer would be maybe a Moris dancer.

These days "ethnic" gets used in the strangest ways, esentially to mean "foreign and probabaly black". In the shops you'll see labels saying "ethnic food" - and you know it'll never mean Lancashire Hot Pot, or Colcannon.

Properly speaking "ethnic" is a non-racist way of understanding the different ways people live in different places.=, nothing tio do wit race. "American isn't an ethnic background" - well, I'd say it is.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Quincy
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 05:16 PM

Northern Irish mother.....Scottish father

Yvonne


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 05:17 PM

I'm German in derivation "up to here". The "here" being at the outboard ends of the strands of my hair.

Now as to what part of modern Germany, my maternal grandfather was proud of being "A good Holsteiner." For the polico-geographically impaired, that's northern Germany, up near Denmark.

My last name, Oesterreich, is the German word for Austria, and I suppose it is to be presumed that way back some direct male ancestor was from Austria, and that would place the route of family development, so to speak, through southern Germany.

My maternal grandfather and grandmother were born in the US, maybe around 1880, but raised speaking German, Germanic culture. By the time I came along they seldom spoke German except when "die kinder" shouldn't hear.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 08:45 PM

Interesting post 'Dough. And I'll also agree with the 'Gin boy in that at this point, being American is becoming a sort of ethnic group, especially in light of thinking about it in relation to Sourdough's post.

As far as ancestry.........Like I said in the other thread, my Dad was half Italian and half German and my Mom was straightline English, tracing back to the Isle of Wight and Cornwall. My life has not been influenced much by any of this, except for growing up in a small town with a large population of Italian immigrants. This influences some of my speech patterns and some other things, like my aversion to Jehovah's Witnesses. (Italians don't like any witnesses)

Spaw


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 08:53 PM

Cornwall is it? You might get some stick calling that straightline English, Spaw...


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: artbrooks
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 08:57 PM

I'm part Irish (Co. Cork), English (?), French(?), German (Worms), and part who-knows-what that's been in the US since at least sometime before there was a US. Jenn is part English (Nottinghamshire) and part Russian/Jewish (Gomel and Rejkes). I don't think there's any direct relationship except for the interest in Yiddish and Israeli music.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: simon-pierre
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 09:21 PM

Part French (Poitou) and part... French (Bretagne). That's the secret of my rusty english and the reason why I post so rarely. My ancestor arrived from France in Québec city in 1643, so it makes 350 years that I'm stucked here, and, after 15 generation, France do not want to gives me my French nationality. So I don't talk to them anymore, and I only play and listen american folk. Na!
(and sometimes a little of Georges Brassens, a bit of Renaud, few of Brel, and a lot of québécois chansonniers, but that's all.)


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: hesperis
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 09:28 PM

3/8ths Welsh, 1/4 Russian, 1/4 Polish, 1/8th Irish, 100% musical. I inherited my mother's voice, which she inherited from her dad, who was a soloist in the Welsh Choirs. I have music in my blood from both sides, though. Does that reflect my taste in music? Hmmm, I love celtic stuff, but who doesn't?


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: wdyat12
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 09:47 PM

Art,

Robert Temple founded the now lost town of Cork here on the Kennebec River in Maine. Many of the original settlers of 1714 came back here to live after the Indian Wars. Their decendents still live here today.

wdyat12


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 09:53 PM

I'm still French-Canadian/Danish/Norwegian/Slovak/Irish/Dutch/Scottish/Welsh/Walloon/English/German/etc... And I still like the traditional musics of all my ancestral homelands. :)

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 09:54 PM

Cro-Magnon. The only pure blood in existance.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: GUEST,mgarvey@pacifier.com
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 09:56 PM

I'm Irish and Welsh and Native American. mg


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Amergin
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 10:00 PM

Well, since my family has been here since the 17th century.....I think I have the right of saying that American is my ethnicity.....


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Sarah2
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 10:02 PM

On my father's side, I'm mostly of Scots and Irish heritage, with what my gran used to refer to as "a wee taint of the Brit here and there." My mum fouled that up, being a Messenger, which lot trace themselves back to Salisbury and the mists of time. My taste in the music I play is probably more connected to family culture than any other influence, though. I do enjoy Spanish folk music, it being very available here in the Southwest U.S., but only for listening...it really doesn't inspire me to play it. I like Texas folk music, and do some of it. But I seem mostly to play Irish and Scottish songs and music, for a preference. They were "my people" and it makes me feel connected to them, like reading old family letters or holding some heirloom one of them made.

Sarah


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Amergin
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 10:02 PM

meant to add, just like anyone else who has made this place their home....


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: wdyat12
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 10:19 PM

Amergin,

My family too came here in 1640 displacing Native Americans. I'm glad I'm here, but I feel bad my ancestors didn't treat the first who settled here fairly. The French were better at that. They married into the clans and became family.

wdyat12


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Pondering It All
Date: 06 Mar 01 - 01:30 AM

Mother 50% Irish & 50% Dutch
Father 100% English
All offspring, self included, 100% American
You got that right Amergin!


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Metchosin
Date: 06 Mar 01 - 02:40 AM

I'm Canajun eh. Hungarian and English coal miners on one side, Scottish coal miners and English tars on the other. Lots of music passed down through the English and Scots, sadly nothing through the Hungarian side, except a lust for nokedli and langos.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Mar 01 - 04:02 AM

3/8 English
1/4 Russian
1/4 Polish
1/8 Welsh

But I consider myself English. Born and bred here and generaly pretty happy with that. Musical tastes - Hmmmmm. English Folk and Dance. Scottish. Danish. Bulgarian. Probably any other folk or dance music that I have not yet got to grips with. Rock. Heavy Metal. Goth. 60's 70's 80's 90's 00's. Not into Jazz, Classical, 50's or Irish too much but can enjoy some of it at times.

Guess it does sorta fit with my ethnic backgroup - mixed up!

Dave the Gnome


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Mar 01 - 05:50 AM

Mom: German-Irish

Dad: German - French/Canadian

Both grandfathers have Jewish-sounding surnames, so we figure we must have Jewish roots, too.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Michael in Swansea
Date: 06 Mar 01 - 06:14 AM

Mother Irish. Mother's parents Irish. Mother's grandparents Irish.
Father's mother Irish. Father's mother's parents Irish. Father's mother's grandparents Irish
Father's father's mother Irish. Her parents and grandparents Irish
Father' father father Welsh. His father and his father before him, Welsh. The mothers were Irish.
So I reckon by blood I'm 11/12 or 15/16 Irish.
Me? I'm a Welsh Catholic Royalist.

Mike


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 06 Mar 01 - 06:14 AM

G'day,

All from Mum's side) 1/16 Irish 1/16 Dutch some distant percentage of French Hugenot the rest presumably (~)English, with a few unresolvred biots over the 170 years that her ancestors have been in Australia

From Dad's side) Unrelenting Midlands England ... not only was great grandfather Bolton born in Bolton, but his ancestors probably built the original fortified town that gave it that name (means ~ fortified town). The Boltons onlt came out here ~ 1911, so they are the Pommy newcomers in the line.

Sourdough: There seems to be less Australian identification with distant European origins. The "Germans", of course, have had the problem of two World Wars, which were much more real to Australians than to Americans. It is only in recent years that these people are regaining the nerve to claim their background ... and the old people are complaining that evryone thinks of lederhosen-clad Bavarians and "oompah bands" ... when these are the sods they came out here to get away from! (Particularly strong feeling among the Barrossa Deutsch, the 1830s refugees to South Australia, from religious and labour intolerance.

We had two more waves of "Germanic" migration - 1860s to Victoria and 1880s to Queensland (in general terms) and all these were refugees from Bismarck's conquest of their independent states and duchies. most of these will call themselves Australians first ... but they are starting to rediscover their old music and traditions in an atmosphere where Australians are paranoid about Asians, instead of old foes like Germans.

Reagrds,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Mar 01 - 06:14 AM

With six consonants and only one vowel I think my surname is probably Klingon...


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 06 Mar 01 - 06:59 AM

Right... Mums side, French Hugenouts from 17 Century, two pirate brothers who fled from France during one of the religious up heavals - and probably something to do with being pirates (one of the brothers was deported to Australia for not behaving the other behaved and stayed in the UK). Also mums side... Scots (Stewarts from Inverness), Irish (My great Great Grandparents were from Sligo) have family still in Derry NIreland. Welsh (my gran), English. Oh and Spanish - our family have been around a bit..lol

Dads side, English, Irish (from somewhere in either Cavan or Donegal - not sure, apart from know that his great grand parent did not speak English very well, and was origianally a complete gaelic speaker only.

(but I reckon I'm Welsh - though with a very watered accent)

phew Ella...

where do you stop though!


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Bert
Date: 06 Mar 01 - 12:10 PM

GUEST - I thought you were 'Piltdown'


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Pseudolus
Date: 06 Mar 01 - 12:27 PM

I was thinking of starting a "Polish Mudcatters" network but it looks like (according to this thread) only Hesperis and Dave the Gnome would join!! I'm half polish, half French. How I ended up playing gigs in a Irish Pub I have NO idea!!

Frank


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Katcina
Date: 06 Mar 01 - 01:08 PM

A hunert percent Texan and don't even try to tell me that ain't ethnic.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 06 Mar 01 - 01:35 PM

I'm from Essex so who knows!!!!
Actually both parents were born in the east end of London-maternal grandmother waqs from Lanark, maternal grandfather from Waterford and both my paternal grandparents died in 1916 and noone thought to ask although I have it on good authority that my grandfather may have come from Aberdeen via Durham! Pure mongrel me!!!


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: GUEST,DANCINGMOM
Date: 06 Mar 01 - 01:37 PM

Mostly English, with a bit of French and Native American on Dad's side. Paternal grandmother taught piano in college, then taught her children, then her grandchildren.I remember sneaking into her "front room" (where children were not usually allowed to go)as a five year-old and plink-plunking out tunes on her ancient upright piano. She never fussed, only went on about how beautiful it was. My maternal granddaddy played the old folk and bluegrass songs on guitar and banjo, and I would dance and dance...accompanied him to a couple of fiddler's conventions in Virginia.


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Subject: RE: ethnic origins of Mudcatters
From: Bert
Date: 06 Mar 01 - 03:07 PM

Gor Blimey, Mrs Duck! What part of Londoin are you're parent from? I was born in Canning Town.
And as for Essex - I lived in Basildon as a teenager.

So spill the beans luv! what part of Essex?

Bert.


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