What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two

Subject: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 10:44 AM

Part One

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Jimmy C
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 11:00 AM

Quit school at age 15 and have had many varied jobs since. e.g Cobbler- cabinet maker- trusk driver's assistant- gas station attendant - winter tire stud installer - soup mix mixer - business forms designer - records officer - archivist - musician. Was fortunate to be able to retire at age 55. Now I am a psrt-time musician - part-time genealogist and full-time husban,father and grandfather. Don't get any better than this. Thanks for asking.

Cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Fortunato
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 11:12 AM

Well, Jerry,

I assume from the lack of response that I've told the elephant story one too many times...

So I'll tell you one less fantastic.

The 1st summer I'd been in college I took a job selling the Kirby Vacuum Cleaner door to door. If you're not familiar with the Kirby it cost $259.00 back in 1965 which was then a helluva lot of money. Anyhow I only lasted on the job for one week. They sent me into the absolute poorest section of Alexandria, Va., and I was demonstrating that the Kirby could suck dirt from the ground under the foundation up through the floor and rug, I mean it had some suction. But my clients to be were on welfare and couldn't buy the bags for the Kirby.

But the best part of the job was the sales meeting every morning. The Kirby company had their own song book. I'm serious. They were a very old company and they had a published song book of parodies of the old famliar tunes. For example, to the tune of "Pack up your troubles in your old Kit bag", we sang: "Pack up your Kirby and your extra bags and SELL, BOYS, SELL!" Or: "Make my bed and light, I'll be home late tonight, I'm selling the Kirby!"

Well, of course I excelled at singing the songs, but failed miserably at rooking poor people into a 'dollar down and a dollar week' deal. I didn't sell any vacuums. regards, Chance

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 11:14 AM

Thanks, Kat!

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Naemanson
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 12:18 PM

Good thread! Is it my imagination or do the people who are posting her seem generally satisified with their lives?

I know I could find a better job (i.e., one that I enjoy more) but with only 5 years to go till I retire and a move to Italy in my cards I'd be an idiot to give it up now. This job fed and housed my family until they were all gone. Now it's my turn and Italy seems like the way to go. The nest is empty. So I sold it and I'm leaving myself.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 12:20 PM

Thanks for the explanation, Jerry. I won't even attempt to think up a Titanic joke, as I'm sure you've heard them all.

The French-sounding phrase is actually Irish, and means "the musical plumber", referring to the uilleann pipes which I can't always quite manage to steer.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 02:13 PM

Hey Fortunato:

We bought one of those Kirbys and the damn thing lasted over thirty years. It was still working fine when we replaced it but our house has a lot of steps and we simply couldn't drag it up and down anymore. It's probably being used as an anchor now.

Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Fortunato
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 02:42 PM

Hey Bev and Jerry, thanks for showing Jerry Rasmussen I wasn't making it up. I think the elephant story may have hurt my credibility a mite. Yeah those Kirbys weighed a ton. They made them out of real metal. Can you imagine? But they could suck the label off a Louisville Slugger. Cheers, Fortunato.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Mudlark
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 03:03 PM

Tho I claim to read only the music threads, I must admit I've read thru the entire part 1 of this thread and enjoyed every post!

For the first 10 yrs of my working life I was in publishing, in one way or another...started out with what turned out to be an interesting but unpaid position writing TV scripts, back in the late 50's, then moved into tech. work, starting out as a tech typist, then editor then tech. writer. And then went on to head up a computer software graphics dept.

Life then took a sharp left turn. My husband and I left the computer industry, bought a 160 a. farm in Ark., and became homesteaders and potters. 20 yrs ago we moved us and our studio pottery back to Calif. I've recently retired from the pot business, am now I'm making a partial living from writing and photography, grow a big garden, and have lots more time to make music...

I feel fortunate to have been able to make a living at things I enjoyed, particularly pottery, altho the art show scene got very old after the first 20 years. But music has been a constant friend and companion, cheerer upper and soul satisfy-er for as long as I can remember. I guess I'd rather pick and sing than do anything.

BTW, Bev and Jerry...I'm in SLO Co. too...where are you?

Nancy

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 03:22 PM

You mean there's real life out there??

I've had a variety of jobs including office cleaner, baby sitter, waitress, mediaeval wench, library assistant, classroom assistant, painter and decorator, secretary, swimming instructor, worked in mechanical demolition, gardener, researcher, catering assistant, seamstress/tailoress, conservitor, embroideress, museum assistant and now work for the Inland Revenue in the same building that Bullfrog Jones probably worked in when he was at Capital Radio.

This is just the paid employment. Unpaid I've worked as a driver, bus driver, entertainer, parish clerk, child minder, designer, house sitter, dog walker, personal shopper, proof reader, genealogical researcher and mother.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: DeanC
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 03:52 PM

I'm one of those odd people who have only had one job for nearly 35 years. I'm a computer scientist at the Naval Research Lab. I provide computer support for oceanographers, geophysicists and acousticians.

Actually although I have worked at the Lab for 35 years I've worked in several different groups along the way. I started out in the group that found the Scorpion. It was a nuclear submarine that was lost in 1968. We spent about 6 months wandering around the ocean in its vicinity before we finally took some pictures of it. Later while working with the same group we located and recovered the research submersible Alvin.

I spent a lot of time on research ships for several years. We got to go to a lot of interesting places while trying to collect and process data that the Navy thought was of value. Along the way I learned a lot about the ocean and even more about how to make computers do what I wanted them to do.

Most recently I've been working with a bunch of geophysicists developing a method of measuring the gravity field from aircraft. Yes, gravity varies over the surface of the earth depending on the local amount of mass beneath you. It only varies a few parts in a million, so measuring it from a moving platform is a challenge.

Dean Clamons

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Caz
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 05:29 PM

Well if everyone else is joining the bandwagon I might as well. I have been a bar maid, shop assistant, clerk, cleaner, factory worker, supervisor, industrial engineer, personnel officer and now work teaching maths and computers and love, just about, every minute. But the best part or my working life is getting paid to sing in front of people. What more can a dedicated show-off ask for?!

Carole - OUTSIDER

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 07:48 PM

Melanie:

If you're still reading this thread, send us a PM. We sent you one and got no response. We need to talk to you about the maritime library.
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Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Kelticgrasshopper
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 08:30 PM

Aside from being a member of the fabulous Celtic band "Gan Ainm".. where I sing and play percussion instruments..My day job is that of "museum attendant" I work for Historic Deerfield.. a historic village in Western Mass. I greet people from around the world. Its a "cushie" job, I walk to work.. see my husband all the time because he works for the same museum. I spend my off time enjoying my son's band..and spoiling my grand daughter Molly.

cheers.. Keep the music going!!

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 09:11 PM

Historic Deerfield is a great place to visit, by the way. It's been many years since I've been there, but as it is a historic site, it can only get better as it gets older. Just like us Mudcatters. :-)

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Kelticgrasshopper
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 10:01 PM

Well Jerry.. should you come and visit.. come on over to "Hall tavern Information Center" Most likely I'll be there. Unfortunately.. it's not a real tavern so I can't buy you a "pint".. But I'd love to meet some "catters".

Meg ( KGH )

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: GUEST,DancingMom
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 10:48 PM

Mom to 3 teenage daughters and a 9-year-old son.

Registered Nurse (as of February) in a hospital cardiovascular unit.

Herb gardener.

Guitar student and history buff. Sharon

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 12:24 AM

KelticGrassHopper! Nice to see you, again!! Went a little north, have you? Old Deerfield is one of my very favourite places in New England, in fact I was "homesick" for it this July 4th! Congratulations and I hope we hear you in Paltalk sometime.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: MAG
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 01:35 AM

Yah, I wasn't sure I could wade through any more bio stuff, but this is fun.

In high school summers I worked as a full time nanny and did lots of babysitting. I loved it; a clue I would be working with kids. (never had any, tho'( 8( ). Sang in choir. Sang in friend's bedrooms all through the folk scare.Worked my way through college slinging HoJo food on the NJ Turnpike, slinging platters in the college cafeteria, and, when I came of age, slinging pitchers of on-tap at the local redneck joint. volunteered at the college library to see if I liked it enough to pursue it as a career. I did. Ran away to Chicago to go to library school. hated library school. Dropped out and did all kinds of odd jobs, including driving a taxi and Kelly Girl (temp. work). Most interesting assignment there was doing ad mailings for a topless manicure parlor. (Yes, the boss offered me a job. This was a LONG time ago.) Poured myself into one cause after another, and then, having trained as a printer and been laid off, done factory work and been laid off in the '74 recession, went into library work. LOVED public library work. hated my employer. finished library school. moonlighted in a children's bookstore. loved it. quit library job and did full-time free-lance storytelling. loved it. was offered a job as a full-time library storyteller in Miami that I thought I couldn't refuse. Loved the job, hated Miami, hated my alcoholic dysfunctional bully of a boss. Worst three years of my life. Took another library job on the continent as far away from Miami as I could get one. Love the Pacific Northwest. Love my work, when the job gets to me I remember I have had worse. much worse. I tell stories and sing songs on the job a lot. I play in a contra dance band. I work on losing weight and making my knees work. I grow roses. Life is good. -- MA

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 02:25 AM

I am a delivery driver.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Greycap
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 02:43 AM

Hmmm..let's see. In order from first job: dairy worker,student, bus conductor, builder's laborer,estate agent's clerk, accounts clerk, pro musician, security guard,accounts clerk, cleaner, civil servant. 54 months to go to being-pro musician agin!! ( on retirement )

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Kelticgrasshopper
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 06:57 AM

Hi to you KAT.. Yes the "ice cream social" was fun.. HOT MUGGY.. a great time on the 4th.. WE've been here in Deerfield for about a year now. It is lovely. We feel like we are living on a movie set..

KGH ( Meg )

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: greg stephens
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 07:03 AM

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 08:11 AM

Hmmmm.... Greg? According to my computer and your last entry, you don't do nothin'.... :-)

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: The Walrus at work
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 08:57 AM

Alright, if everyone else is chipping in;
At school I had a part time job in a plastics moulding factory which put me off the idea of anything like factory work ever again (too boring) and another making fences (I've never trusted "pretreated" timber since).
On leaving school, I trained as a metallurgist, spent 6 years working on tool materials, 20 years in marine corrosion and the last couple in the wear resistance of tool materials (back where I started), who knows where I'll go from here.

Walrus

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: john c
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 09:07 AM

On reaching the ripe old age of 40 about 7 years ago, I opted out of my job as a buyer for rather large supermarket chain and became a carer for mentally and physically handicapped adults. Never made a better move!! J.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Naemanson
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 12:32 PM

Hey, Greycap, I am 60 months out from my retirement as a civil servant. Let's form a band of retired civil servants and go on the road!

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 02:02 PM

About the only job not yet done is pimping. I recently left state service to become a marketing director, so I guess I can't even claim exemption from the pimp title any more.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: dermod in salisbury
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 02:06 PM

Greycap, Naemanson and me could make a trio. I retired as director of information in a small government department 18 months ago, and now spend most mornings fiddling through my collection of jigs, reels (Scots, Irish, American, I have billions of them). It is nice to know so many contributors are of a mature age. It explains all the generously shared wisdom on this site. But maybe, the hotter headed brethren are just taking a breather.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Abuwood
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 02:37 PM

What do you mean real life, that is here and at festivals or anywhere singing or playing or dancing. The 9-5 rubbish just finances real life!

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 02:54 PM

Hi, Abuwood: The truth is, it's all real life... the music making, the earning-a-living rubbish (which for some people is a positive part of their life) sickness, divorce, marriage... the whole thing. I just didn't want to title the thread "What do you do for a living?" That sounded far too mundane, and I don't think there would have been the breadth and openness of the responses if I'd worded that way. Or, I could have worded it "Post Your Resume." That's not what I thought would be interesting. And as I mentioned in Part I of this thread, many friends of mine make a living out of playing music. I just think that it's fascinating to see the crazy mix of people us Catters are, and I feel like I've gotten to know people better.

By the way, what do you do to make a living, when you're not playing music? Just would like to know...:-)

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: dwditty
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 03:19 PM

Hi Jerry,

When I am not selling giant computers, I hum, sing, listen to, or play music. For example, right now I am lstening to the fabulous music you sent me...at my desk....with ears phones. I am truly impressed with both you and the Messengers, as well as very thankful for your kindness in sending them. One happy 'Catter here.

dw

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 04:06 PM

Diddy Wah: We just aim to please. :-)

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: beadie
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 04:23 PM

After high school :: Janitor's assistant for the summer.

Failed college student ('65).

Military medic .

Hospital orderly .

Mildly successful student ('70 - '72) technical degree in respiratory therapy.

Respiratory therapist and cardiovascular technologist.

Moderately successful student ('78) liberal arts.

More Respiratory Therapy as a department manager and wildly successful student ('85 - '89) {25 years out of high school and I ALREADY got a Bachelor's degree}

Somewhat less successful student ('90 - '93) law degree.

Currently an elders' advocate for the State of Wisconsin, helping folks in nursing homes avoid abuse, neglect and exploitation. (and still a sometime student)

Throughout this oddyssy, an avocational musician (the only bluegrass autoharpist I know of).

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: beadie
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 04:25 PM

PS.

Fortunato: You're right about those Kirby's; they can (to borrow one of Willie Nelson's more colorful movie lines) suck the chrome off a trailer hitch.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: SlickerBill
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 06:20 PM

47 and father of three. Teaching high school history and geography since '82. Summers about three other teachers and I go up to a classic rock festival and work as stage hands. Great way to learn about what goes into these big shows (lighting, sound, business). the more we do it the more the old adage seems to ring true: rock and roll is like high school with money. It is a nice change up from teaching though. I've gotten more involved with music in my off time as the years have gone by, and I hope to keep that trend going indefinately. Great thread. sb

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 09:30 PM

Durn, Fortunato...you are a piker!..I lasted a couple months selling Kirbys...and actually sold 4!..(1963)..well, one was to my mother, and I still have it!....

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 09:53 PM

Last week we gave away our Kirby to the local charity. Couldn't suck anymore (don't know why) and we've got no more carpets, thank god. You must have put some arm weight on, wresting those buggers in and out of a car.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Llanfair
Date: 11 Jul 02 - 10:50 AM

What a great thread!!!!

I trained as an Occupational Therapist, but didn't finish the course. Started working with Adults with learning disabillities in '71, resigned in disgust from my job of Social Worker nearly 3 years ago, having worked in all areas of service provision for the client group, mostly Social Services.

During that time married 3 times, brought up 2 sons, kept house (why did I never choose a husband who did housework?) Now I care for elderly parents, keep chickens and ducks and dogs and cats. Grow veg, do craftwork and market stalls, sing, play, produce pantomimes, watch telly, read and check in on Mudcat twice a day at least.

My life is very full, and I wish I'd stopped work long ago.

Oh, and my grandson is overseeing my training as a Granny!!!!

Oh yes, and I do Mudcat gatherings, too!!!!

Cheers, Bron.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: BlueSage
Date: 11 Jul 02 - 11:12 AM

Interesting thread, interesting folks!

In "real life" my passions run toward being a dad and reading any book I feel worthwhile.

As far as "making a living" is concerned, I've spent the last twenty years trying to survive as a full time folk singer/musician. Not an easy task here in Utah but I can't imagine myself doing anything else I would love as much as I do this. The people you meet in this business are truly remarkable!

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 11 Jul 02 - 11:13 AM

One thing that I've noticed in this thread that I wanted to comment on. When I was a kid, the standard question was, "What do you want to be when you grow up?" Which meant, what kind of a job do you want to do, not what kind of a person do you want to be. In High School, there was all of this pressure to decided what you wanted to be, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE! The Sputnik had just gone up, and the attitude over here was, "We ain't goin' to let no Commies get ahead of us! and just about everyone in my graduating class of 1953 went in to engineering. The thought was that you had to choose your major carefully, because it was a lifetime decision. Now, they're advising kids in High School who are going to college to get a broader education because they might have as many as two or three different kinds of jobs in their lives. Read these threads and see how many people have had twenty different kinds of jobs in their lives... I'm not sure that life has changed so much as that attitudes are slow to change. At one time, if you grew up on a farm, you became a farmer and was a farmer your whole life. Those days passed a long, long time ago.

I find this thread very encouraging as a father of two sons who ventured out into the work world a few years ago. If you're willing to work hard and learn new skills, there's no limit to what you can do. And if something doesn't work, or you lose your job, there's bound to be something else that you can do, and you may end up liking it better than the job you had. And, as someone pointed out, the general feel of this thread is that people have mostly enjoyed what they'd done in their 9-5 jobs. That's good. It's far too big a chunk of your life to be in a job that you hate. You carry the hate home with you, too. Perhaps there's some encouragement in this thread for people who are in a job they hate, right now. Maybe it's time to move....

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 11 Jul 02 - 12:49 PM

Well said, Jerry. We're in the age of lifelong learning.

I don't even attempt to advise my daughters (aged 19, 23 and 25), because the job market is already so changed and will change even more during their lifetime. I just help them to talk and think things through.

And whenever they asked me what I, as a child, had wanted to be when I grew up, my standard reply was "I still don't know, that's why I'm a civil servant" (not quite true, but it always gets a laugh).

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jul 02 - 01:49 PM

Successful mother, unsuccessful wife, (not in that order), motel manager/trainer and supervisor, , waitress, maraschino cherry processing plant (enjoyed that one), janitor/janitor trainer and supervisor, (that job paid better than any others), office clerk, proof reader, researcher, writer (A promo of mine on the subject of 'Patsy Ann', a deaf American Pitbull that lived free in Juneau from 1929-1941 was read by Paul Harvey one fine day.), perennial student...

Nowadays I live in and run an historic house museum, 'educating' tourists in local history in the summer seasons and renting out the place for weddings and receptions and meetings and seminars off-season.

And in real life I participate in as much music as others will allow.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Firecat
Date: 11 Jul 02 - 03:29 PM

OK, I'm a student and childminder who used to work at Asda (and hated it). I can also be found helping out on Dad's badge stall at Wenlock and Warwick Festivals! Oh, yeah, I also did work experience at an archaeological dig when I was 15.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Dorrie
Date: 11 Jul 02 - 07:04 PM

i am an art student. i also babysit and am a voluntary playworker for KIDS playscheme for disabled children, i hope to get a proper playwork job soon

dorrie xx

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 11 Jul 02 - 08:35 PM

Llanfair-I know a few social werkers, they are all nuts, I don't just mean a bit strange, I mean really crazy (away with the fairies!).john

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Naemanson
Date: 12 Jul 02 - 08:12 AM

An Pluiméir Ceolmhar, I love that answer to the perenial question. I may have to steal it from you.

Having worked one job for as long as I have I cannot lay claim to a multitude of others and so many have in this thread. My other jobs in chronological order:

Farm Worker
Bellhop
Farm Worker
Machinist Mate (Navy)
Farm Worker
Handyman/Plumber's assistant
Construction Laborer
Immigration Inspector
Father
Contract Negotiator
Father
Contract Specialist (Still Going on this one)

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Les from Hull
Date: 12 Jul 02 - 02:15 PM

What do I do? Nowt. Ha ha ha!

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Alice
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 12:56 PM

To get through University with a degree in Fine Art, I worked as a secretary/research assistant in the office of the governor of Montana, then as a secretary and DJ in the university FM radio station, meteorology data clerk, and horticulture ground crew worker... after graduation, a starving artist trying to make it as a painter with no money to promote my work. That meant I lived on almost no income and spent alot of time painting and drawing with no money to ship or photograph the work in order to show it to the public! I eventually did show my work, but illness, deaths, setbacks, threw me into a graphic design job at the university, which led to a pretty good commercial illustration and art director job with a company that is a major supplier of souvenir silkscreened shirts. National parks, ski resorts, destination tourist spots... my work was sold in all of them. I had to travel to trade shows, work long hours, and when I had my son, put him in a home day care from the time he was born. I learned alot and made alot of valuable professional contacts that helped me move on to freelancing in 1991.

Current #1 real job: I am my son's mom. Three more years and he will be out of high school. Raising him has been more rewarding than any paid job.

I decided to quit that secure art director job when my son was three, as I realized he was being raised more by a day care mom than by his own mom. We needed to be a family, and the only way to do that, the only way for me to really guide his development, was to be home with him. I set up a studio in my living room and I continued working in the souvenir sportswear industry as a freelancer. I also picked up a part time horticulture job that I continue to do, maintaining indoor plantscapes in the hospital, bank, offices, mansions.

Book cover illustration - my next move forward in art, started with my first assignment earlier this year. The cover illo was for a book for young readers titled Camp Of The Angel. It will be published later this year. The publisher is Philomel (does the Redwall books) a division of Penguin/Putnam.

Currently I am working on ski/winter embroidery art for a new client called Cheyenne River, 36 designs due on August 10 (yikes). I'm finishing up the final art on a front and back design for a forest fire commemorative shirt, Firefight 2002, for a company in California.

I sing trad Irish, Scottish, British folk songs for fun and money.

Not much time to mudcat anymore, although I've been on Mudcat since 1997.

Alice in Montana

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: GUEST,Keyboard Player
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 01:28 PM

I know someone whose young son asked her, "Mommy what are you going to be when you grow up?"

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 01:42 PM

Hi, Alice:

Good for you! It surely took a strong commitment to strike out, free-lance in order to be there for your son. I raised two sons on my own starting when they were 8 and 14, but I was blessed to live on the property where I worked, so I was just a walk up the hill for them during the summer, and when they got home from school.

Your posting reminds me of a great song the Bob Franke wrote with a line I'll surely misquote (but get with the right meaning,talking about being a Father: "It's not tje job I do best, but it's the best job I do." :-)

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 09:46 PM

I've been making a living as an entertainer, on and off, for twenty-seven years. I started as a folkie, worked as a comic for several years after the folk venues disappeared for a while, sang country music for a few years after I got fed up with trying to squeeze laughs out of rooms full of angry drunks, and now I'm back home. I'm a folkie again.

While between genre's I've worked in a warehouse, a deli, a video store and countless other retail situations. While building up a new market I will usually temp. I have, as a temp, been a delivery driver, maitenance worker,landscaper, mail-room clerk and I can't remember what all else.

It's a living.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 09:21 PM

Chapter 1: Jail house teacher, Drug treatment facility director, Social Worker in Adult Services (20 years total)

Chapter 2: Auto shop owner and wrench turner. Specialized in Karmann Ghia restotations. (5 years)

Current Chapter: Owner of independent car rental company and landlord. (10 years)

Next Chapter: Retired, landlord, bluesman riding around the country with my wonderful wife, P-Vine, and the family dog in my 1963 Chevy car carrier with a 1963 Karmann Ghia on the back and pulling my 1953 Spartanette 30 ft retirement trailer... See alot of you folks then!

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: GUEST,HobNob
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 10:38 PM

Being retired since 1990, I mostly just LOAF around til around NOON and after a short nap just kinda LAZE around till the 6PM and then just REST UP til bedtime...

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 10:43 PM

i use too kill animuls , but nowe i werk in a curry ship.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Michael in Swansea
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 07:07 AM

29 years Post Office/British Telecom. My current job title is "Fulfilment Designer". I thought that was something Anne Summers done.

Michael

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: JedMarum
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 10:08 AM

In real life I am a musician/performer. Feels good just to say it!

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 11:00 AM

Teenaged couch potato
Lifeguard (for one summer)
Air Force Aerospace Ground Equipment Technician. (4 years) (For those who might not know what this is, it's a person who fixes aerospace ground equipment.)
Air Force Public Health Technician (18 years)
Now, I score essay answers to standardized tests on a somehwat sporadic basis, and am otherwise...
...a middle-aged couch potato. Honestly, I get bored stiff with the couch-potato non-routine and I'm tending toward guitar-potatohood. Grab the thing when I'm bored and see if I can figure out a song and (the challenge) play it the same time through more than once in a row.

What I want to do when I grow up is whatever I want to do. Music's always a part of my life, but I doubt I'm ever going to make any money doing it.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: alanabit
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 11:52 AM

I left school with a few "O" levels in 1972, worked in a department store, was a waiter and barman for the next few years and in between was a Tax Officer at the Inland Revenue for fourteen months. I worked in the kitchen of Borocourt Hospital (in reality a home for the mentally handicapped) between 1976-79. Then it all changed. One summer, a group of volunteers came and one of them, a young man from Cologne, became my best friend. He invited me to spend the summer with him in Cologne and to try out my luck as a busker. To my surprise, I not only went, but I was actually successful beyond my wildest imagination that first year. I spent the subsequent summers travelling Europe and in between I worked in an iron foundry (briefly), drove a bus and took a Creative Arts degree. I have lived a precarious existence travelling around Europe for most of the time since my move here permanently in 1984. About the time my family began, it became apparent that neither my voice nor my back could stand up to constant busking. I gradually moved into teaching English because it ís a much easier way of earning money. I don't see it as the end of the story though. Like Stephen Rich - and interestingly enough other folks I admire like Pete Morton and Don Partridge - I view it as a period of respite while I prepare for the next chapter. The music goes on!

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 12:51 PM

Alanabit & Stephen: Over the years I've come to believe that life is a process of preparation. The other day I was out mowing my lawn (I bought a push lawnmower, not a gas mower, and people stop and stare at me when they're walking down the street because no one uses them anymore... 'cept me.) A woman and her Grandson stopped for a minute and the woman said, "You're almost done with your lawn." I told her that there is no such thing as being "done with your lawn." The most you ever can do is momentarily get it under control. Life is like that, too. And it's best not to try TOO hard to get it under control, either. Mostly it's just an illusion. When I was in my twenties, I used to say to people, "If someone told me five years ago that I'd be doing what I am today, I'd have told them they were nuts." That statement has pretty much held true for me for most of my life, even though my place of employment was stable for longer periods of time. It was about the only thing that was. Many times in my life, I've had a powerful feeling that I was being prepared for something I couldn't yet imagine, because I wasn't ready for it yet. That premonition has oten turned out to be true. It may make life seem a little uncertain, but it sure makes it interesting. Besides, life IS uncertain... might as well enjoy the ride. It sounds like you and Stephen are. And most of the rest of the people who have responded to this thread.

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: NH Dave
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 04:36 PM

Teen aged almost farm kid.

Unenthusiastic college student - it beat the draft/Universal Service

Enlisted, Regular Army, three years, Aircraft Electronics Maintenance.

Regular Air Force, 23 years, Aircraft Electronics Maintenance, Itinerant Teacher, Airlift Support, Aircraft Electronics Maintenance Shop Chief - ran into Jeri in her hospital work, discovered The Press Room.

Electronics Sales and Maintenancs

Substitute Teacher and Scored School Assesment Tests - same work as Jeri, just earlier. Shared my opinion that the Human Resources person was a flaming idiot, not invited back.

Sales again.

Dave

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Nancy King
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 09:26 PM

After college I worked for a small organization in Washington doing political research. Nice people, learned a bunch of labor songs. Got married in 1965, and we moved to San Francisco, where I was an office-person and statistics-recorder for a research project on employment of the elderly for a couple of years. Then came back to Washington and did more political research (different organization, not so good).

When my first kid was born I quit and then spent about 10 years being a full-time Mom, which I rather enjoyed. It soon became obvious, however, that I would have to be able to support myself, and having no marketable skills, I went back to school and got a library science degree. I then went to work for the Library of Congress, specifically the National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, which is the outfit that supplies braille and recorded books ("talking books") and special playback equipment to anyone who is unable to read regular print because of a visual or physical disability. Far and away the best service the Federal government provides, IMHO. For the first 5 years there I did acquisitions, then became the librarian for blind and physically handicapped American citizens living abroad. I absolutely loved that job -- got to correspond with people all over the world, helping them with book selection and equipment.

Unfortunately the pay wasn't all that great, and there was some pressure to make more money, so when Montgomery County, MD, public libraries offered me a 20% raise to go work in their Special Needs Library, I couldn't refuse. It would be OK, I told myself, because I would still be working with talking books, and would also be serving homebound readers in the county. It was OK for a while, and then my position was eliminated due to budget cuts, and they sent me off to a regular branch to be a regular librarian, which I have been doing for 10 years now. I don't like it nearly as much as working with the special needs folks, but it pays the bills. Only 5 or 6 more years to retirement, I hope!

At various times during all of that, I did a lot of volunteer work for the Folklore Society of Greater Washington, organizing concerts, festivals, getaways and the like, and editing the newsletter for a couple of years. Haven't been able to do much of that recently because I've been buried in family obligations, but hope to get back to it at some point. I also was manager of a folk group, The Boarding Party, of which my then husband (now ex) was a member. That was a lot of fun, and I really enjoyed getting to go to gigs and festivals in various places in the US and Europe (that's how I managed to visit Hull!).

I guess I wasn't too good at being a wife (two divorces -- hmmmm -- maybe it was choosing mates I wasn't good at...). As for being a Mom, I didn't think I was particularly good at it while I was actively involved in it, but my two sons have turned out to be such terrific people (and fine folksingers!) that I guess I must have done something right!

Cheers, Nancy

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: rangeroger
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 10:01 PM

Over the years I've had to work with the occasional person, who when they talk about what they have done in life, I figure they would have to be 200 years old to have done it all. Now, I realize I'm that person.Then reading this thread shows me that there are a lot of us that have done a lot of things in life.

When i graduated from high school in 1963 I wet to work at Patton State Hospital in San Bernardino as a Psychiatric technician. If you saw the guys in "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" wearing the long sleeve white shirts with black bow ties, that was me.In 1965 in order to beat the draft,I enlisted in the U.S.Navy as a Hospital Corpsman.Beacame an Operating Room Technician with 'Nam service in '68.Got out in Nov.'69 and worked as a stock clerk at the marine PX in san Diego for a couple of months. Went back to work at Patton in early 70. tried to get into a Nursing program but was meeting some obstacles.Moved back to Chula Vista in 72 and tried to get into a Nursing program there. ran into more obstacles. Seems there was a quota on male nursing students at the time.Too many vets returning with more experiance than their instructors.

Changed my major to Psychology and graduated from San Diego State in 75.Went to work for the San Diego County Probation Dept.in 76 as a corrections officer in low security rural work camps. In 81 took a demotion in lieu of layoff and became a Park ranger for the county.

In March of 91, I quit the county and moved to Idaho to help caretake my sister's place there. First summer there I worked as a seasonal ranger at Heyburn State park on Lake Couer d'Alene. That winter I went to work as a lift operator at Silver Mountain Ski Resort in Kellogg, Idaho. Eventually became the snow-making and grooming supervisor until I was fired on Christmas Eve '97. Had never been fired from a job before in my life.

In Jan of 98, on a friends recommendation, I started work as an apprentice electrician. went back to school at North Idaho College Workforce training center to get the classroom hours required for a State License. Finished my 4th year this last June and now only need 2000 more hours of work time to be able to take the State Journeyman's test.

I'm making more than twice what I was making at the ski resort. I enjoy the job so much that I wonder why I didn't get into this 30 years ago,and when I get my Journeyman's license my pay will only go up.

Which means I can start succumbing to G.A.S. again. Oh,boy.

rr

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: alanabit
Date: 28 Jul 02 - 04:25 PM

Thanks Jerry. I'll be thinking about what you wrote. I'm having one of those years where there are more questions than answers!

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 29 Jul 02 - 01:09 AM

Alanabit: I have the feeling that things are coming together that you can't see yet. P.M. me when they do. I always like to hear good news! :-)

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Jul 02 - 02:12 AM

For some reason I forgot to mention the most important work I've done: as a tutor, both in English as a Second Language and in Basic English. I loved it, even thought of setting up my own business. But with free Adult Education available down the street, it didn't seem likely I could make a living at it.

I liked tutoring second-language English- it's neat to see people become comfortable, even proficient, in their adopted language. But for pure satisfaction, teaching basic English can't be beat- tutoring an adult who can barely sign his or her name and in the course of a few weeks seeing a whole new person emerge is fantastic. As one man marveled, Where is the hard part?

A great many people who are now 40-plus years old dropped out of school only because they hadn't learned the basic things they needed 'way back when. Many of them have never had one-to-one tutoring. The man who said that about the "hard part" didn't even realize that there were rules to help in reading- he thought everybody just kind of knew and so he just kind of guessed. And he certainly didn't imagine that he would find it to be fun.

In most cases, I think, there are actual learning disabilities, because, I think, most of us just find ourselves to be good spellers, test takers, fast readers- it's not necessarily something we set out to be. With a learning disability, even a mild one, everything is tons harder. The neat thing is that as adults people learn differently and are easier to reach.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Jul 02 - 02:12 AM

For some reason I forgot to mention the most important work I've done: as a tutor, both in English as a Second Language and in Basic English. I loved it, even thought of setting up my own business. But with free Adult Education available down the street, it didn't seem likely I could make a living at it.

I liked tutoring second-language English- it's neat to see people become comfortable, even proficient, in their adopted language. But for pure satisfaction, teaching basic English can't be beat- tutoring an adult who can barely sign his or her name and in the course of a few weeks seeing a whole new person emerge is fantastic. As one man marveled, Where is the hard part?

A great many people who are now 40-plus years old dropped out of school only because they hadn't learned the basic things they needed 'way back when. Many of them have never had one-to-one tutoring. The man who said that about the "hard part" didn't even realize that there were rules to help in reading- he thought everybody just kind of knew and so he just kind of guessed. And he certainly didn't imagine that he would find it to be fun.

In most cases, I think, there are actual learning disabilities, because, I think, most of us just find ourselves to be good spellers, test takers, fast readers- it's not necessarily something we set out to be. With a learning disability, even a mild one, everything is tons harder. The neat thing is that as adults people learn differently and are easier to reach.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Wincing Devil
Date: 29 Jul 02 - 01:22 PM

You don't know how problematical the question is!

I work for a consulting firm, for the last 5 3/4 years (to the day) I've worked as a "Web Wrangler" (Web master/ designer/programer etc.) for the USGS. Several weeks ago I was told that my company wanted me to work on a different contract. I was sad to leave the USGS, fine bunch of people, with real "fire in the belly" for their work. They gave me a lovely going away luncheon on Friday. When I got back to the office after the luncheon, there was a message to call the home office. Seems that some sort of monkey wrench (missing signatures, waivers) had developed in the contract I was moving to, and would I mind taking Monday off. I didn't have a choice, since the USGS folks had already reallocted the funds that would have been my salary. So I'm waiting at home for word as to whether I have a job or not...

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 29 Jul 02 - 02:15 PM

Now I know why you're wincing!

I read these postings, and one of the things that I wanted to comment on was how important the people you work with (and for)are. Often, they make the difference between going into work with a knot in your stomach, or looking forward to telling someone what you did over the weekend. The best job can be Hell if you have a lousy boss or some obnoxious person you have to work with, and the lousies job can be reasonably enjoyable if your're working for and with the right people. I'm glad that you had a stretch of time with good people to work with, Wincing. I was Director of a large Museum for many years, and had a great staff... intelligent, creative, positive people who I enjoyed as co-workers and friends. When I retired a couple of years ago, there was a complete shake-up, and within six months almost all the old staff was gone. We all bemoaned what was lost, but I reminded people that we got away with a great working relationship for thirty years. I consider it a blessing to get five years. I've also worked on an assembly line for Fisher Body, doing mind-numbing, repetitive work and had a good time doing it because I was working with friends, and the repetitiveness of the job freed our minds to horse around and have a lot of fun. The ideal job is one that's creatively challenging, well-paying with good people to work with. Those kind of jobs are hard to come by. I don't think that you find them by chance.

Who knows, Wincing... maybe you'll get an even better job and have to change your Mudcat moniker to Dancing Devil! :-)

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: alanabit
Date: 29 Jul 02 - 03:24 PM

Interesting what you wrote Ebbie. I teach English and I prefer teaching groups. I taught a lot of one to one at the beginning and found it very wearying - although I liked all the students. I certainly agree that teaching adults is easier. I find I can use peforming skills in the classroom and both engage people and help build up their confidence. That is certainly the most rewarding part of it. I'll also say that after over twenty years of busking, holding the attention of a classroom of motivated adults is a doddle!

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: GUEST,Sarah
Date: 30 Jul 02 - 12:12 PM

Worked in publicity for medical equipment company (two years)

Journalist on local newspaper (three years)

Mother (started that 11 years ago)

Publicity for local authority (14 years and counting)

OK its interesting, it pays the bills, but its not what I AM!

Cheers Sarah

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 30 Jul 02 - 12:31 PM

Good for you, Sarah:

When I first took a job at the Museum where I worked, the Director gave me some well-meaning advice. He said,"Make the Museum your life." I kinda muttered, "uh-huh" in my best teenager imitation, secretly saying to myself, "Not on your life!" I think that making your job your life is a dangerous thing. Maybe Mother Theresa could do it, but most people I've seen who made their jobs their lives neglected family, husbands or wives, friends and everyone around them. Then, when they retired, suddenly that had no life. It's a rare person who can say "my life is who I am." Maybe musicians can say that a little more honestly than most.

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 30 Jul 02 - 12:33 PM

Good for you, Sarah:

When I first took a job at the Museum where I worked, the Director gave me some well-meaning advice. He said,"Make the Museum your life." I kinda muttered, "uh-huh" in my best teenager imitation, secretly saying to myself, "Not on your life!" I think that making your job your life is a dangerous thing. Maybe Mother Theresa could do it, but most people I've seen who made their jobs their lives neglected family, husbands or wives, friends and everyone around them. Then, when they retired, suddenly they had no life. It's a rare person who can say "my life is who I am." Maybe musicians can say that a little more honestly than most.

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: What Do You Do In Real Life - Part Two
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 31 Jul 02 - 02:58 AM

I've always found it intersesting how much importance we put on what kind of job someone does. Itis very much tied to how define ourselves and others. When you meet someone for the first time one of the first questions to come up is about what one does for a living. Regardless of what straight job I may have been doing at any given time, I have always answered the question with,"I'm an entertainer". The looks that people have given me over the years when I've said that would tend to indicate that I might as well have said, "I have sex with frogs". It used to annoy the heck out of me. I've found that, as I get older, the looks become more peculiar and mystified and, as a result, hilarious. Now, when at a party or some other sort of crowded situation, I almost look forward to the question so that I can give the answer and evoke the look. It's almost as much fun as making an audience laugh. It's sadistic I know, but I've got to have SOME fun. *G*