Origins of: Found on Mudcat

Subject: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 09:56 AM

Looking through the various threads on the Mudcat, I've been going through learning about where some of these songs come from. Here are some of these threads. Lots more there.

12 Days of Christmas
Amazing Grace
Amelia's Waltz
Barbara Allen
Barbara Allen
Carrick Fergus
Carrick Fergus
Carrickfergus
Casey Jones
Chastity Belt
Cotton Eyed Joe
Dona Dona
Fiddler's Green
House of the Rising Sun
I Wish I Wish
Jimmy Cracked Corn
John Henry
Lavender Blue/Dilly Dilly
Loch Lomand
Londonderry Air/Danny Boy
Merrily Kissed the Quaker's Wife
Mingulay Boat Song
My Bonnie Lies Over the Ocean
Peggy Gordon/Caledonia/When I First Went To Caledonia
Roll me over in the Clover
Rose of Allendale
Scarborough Fair
She Moved Through the Fair
Shenandoah
Show Me The Way To Go Home
Soldier's Joy
Spancil Hill
Tom Dooley
Trad British Isles' Songs
Waly Waly
Water is Wide, and other tie-ins
Water Is Wide
Water Is Wide
Water Is Wide
Water Is Wide
Wild Colonial Boy
Wild Mountain Thyme
Wild Rover
Yankee Doodle
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The alphabetised list has been moved to its own Song Origins PermaThread. You may continue to post additions to this thread, or its follow-up (when it gets too long) OR, post them directly into the PermaThread, but remember the PermaThread will be edited, so comments and contributions will not be permanent there, except the links added to the list.
Thanks, again, George, this really is amazing!
kat

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 10:15 AM

Now that we have a PermaThread, I will not be doing this consolidation. Sorry that we cannot undo the first few I did get to. You'll all be listed under "Catspaw" for these few, forever.*BG*

As per agreement near the end of this whole thing, now up to 113 posts, I am consolidating all the posts into a couple of postings, keeping all info intact for each one. This will make it shorter and easier to to load and post to, as well as alphabetise. Thanks for your understanding.

Thanks,

kat

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Been having a good time haven't you George? That's a really fine compilation too......I think I'll bookmark this one to use it as a reference for newcomer's on what can be found here. I always suggest that they do a forum search for old threads and this list will be another starting point I think.

GREAT JOB!!!!

Spaw

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From: Alice
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 10:28 AM

WILLIAM TAYLOR

LAGAN LOVE

EASY AND SLOW

Ard Tí Chuain/Quiet Land of Erin

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Geordie Broon
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 10:43 AM

The Best of Mudcat gets even better. THANKS John

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 10:57 AM

Paddy's Lamentation/BY THE HUSH

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 11:02 AM

The Gartan Mother's Lullaby

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 11:10 AM

Skibbereen

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Peter T.
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 11:10 AM

What a great thread/link. How about a Perma-Thread for the top 50 requested folk songs on Mudcat, and the linked threads? "50 Most Requested Folk Songs: Links" or something. Just a thought.

yours, Peter T.

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: George Seto - [e-mail]
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 11:10 AM

Yes, I've been having a good time the last couple of days.

Dark Island
Dark Island

Greensleeves

Lord of the Dance

Desiderata

I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen

Hector The Hero

Still room for more....

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: George Seto - [e-mail]
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 11:12 AM Peter, I have been thinking of one, similar to your idea.

A compilation thread to tie together all the threads on a specific song. My guess is there would be about 50 or 60 we get asked about all the time.

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 11:13 AM

Spanish Is The Loving Tongue

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 11:19 AM

The Pretty Girl Milking Her Cow

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 11:22 AM

I don't think it happens as much as it used to, but every time that "Cool Hand Like" played on some nationwide cable station, we would get requests for "Plastic Jesus."

I agree on the Permathread idea.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Peter T.
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 11:23 AM

Yes, George/Alice, you have caught a lot of them, Water is Wide, Carrickfergus, Greensleeves, Shenandoah, Tom Dooley, She Moved Through the Fair, etc. I think it is a great crosscutting index (you can see the scholarly version in the "I Wish, I Wish" thread, but this is way more fun).

yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 11:27 AM

Reynardine

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 11:34 AM

This must count as one of the earliest threads #32.

Sick Note/Paddy's Not at Work/Excuse Note
Sick Note/Paddy's Not at Work/Excuse Note
Sick Note/Paddy's Not at Work/Excuse Note

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 11:39 AM

Another popular

English Country Garden

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 11:39 AM

Róisín Dubh

Down Our Street

Subject: Found on Mudcat
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 01:20 PM

Pete!

That top 50 requested thing is a GREAT idea!!!

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 01:33 PM

One of the best threads yet. Wonderful bit of work, all.

Mick

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 01:41 PM

On a topic of songs in general, here is a link to a wonderful discussion of songs about Capital Punishment from 1998.

Mick

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Shields Folk
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 01:57 PM

Lets put them all together and call it Mudcat!!.... No wait there's...

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: ard mhacha
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 03:28 PM

Alice, Just checked your blue click to Ard Ti Chuain,fascinating, have to agree with Big Mick, this site gets better. Slan Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 04:41 PM

A few more:

Strike the Bell, Second Mate
 
Molly Bawn, etc
 
Four Marys
 
Hard Times Come Again No More
 
Goin' Back to the Blue Ridge Mountains
 
Fairy Boy
 
Tell Me Ma
 
Bonnie Jean Cameron
 
Lines Upon The Water
 
1913 Massacre
 
Bonny Portmore
Bonny Portmore
 
Wreck of the Asia
 
If I Were a Blackbird
If I Were A Blackbird
 
A Warning For Married Women/House Carpenter
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 05:10 PM

Streets of Laredo

Whiskey In The Jar

Rosin the Bow

Sally in our Alley

Little Beggarman

Sloop John B

Spanish Ladies

Seven Drunken Nights

Thanks for starting this thread, George. I have really enjoyed going back and reading some of these older threads.

Alice

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 05:41 PM

No problem, Alice. I thought others would like reading some of these older threads as well. Glad you're enjoying it.

Gypsy Rover
Gypsy Rover
 
Si Bheag Si Mhor / Shee Beg Shee More
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 07:25 PM

Puff The Magic Dragon
 
Fields of Athenry
 
Tom Dula/Dooley
Tom Dula/Dooley
Tom Dula/Dooley
 
Dark Island 2
 
If I Were a Blackbird 2
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 08:36 PM

You Are My Sunshine
 
Blackbird of Sweet Avondale
 
Oh Dem Golden Slippers
 
Kisses Sweeter Than Wine
 
Mary Ellen Carter
 
Molly Malone
 
Rose of Tralee
 

 
Wreck of the Old '97
 
Christmas in the Trenches
 
Tom O' Bedlam
 
Farewell to Nova Scotia
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 01:19 AM

Erin's Green Shore

Robin Hood ballads

Take Her Out Of Pity

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Mark Clark
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 01:24 AM

This has to be one of the best cross reference threads ever. Thanks, George, and everyone else who added links.

      - Mark

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 02:36 AM

Art Thieme's new cd(with lyrics to the songs on it)

Another: Barb'ry Allen (several versions, including a song in gaelic to its tune)

Where Have All The Flowers Gone

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 03:06 AM

A few more, thanks to Susanne(skw)!

Roll ON The Day

Molly Maguires

Take The Children and Run

Acres of Clams

Women o'Dundee
Women O'Dundee

Stand Up For Judas

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Crowhugger
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 03:17 AM

Oh, George, thank you! for this wonderful thread. Definitely for bookmarking.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 04:47 AM

You're very welcome. Add when you can.

Tom Dooley
 
This Land is My Land (Canadian Version)
 
Peter Amberlay - New Brunswick Song
 
Morning Has Broken
 
Old Rugged Cross
 
My Darling Clementine
 
Keep On the Sunny Side
 
Kumbaya
 
Greensleeves
 
Cowboy's Lament/Streets of Laredo
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 06:11 AM

When You and I Were Young
 
Red River Valley
 
Westering Home
 
Loch Lomond
Loch Lomond
Loch Lomond
Loch Lomond
Loch Lomond
Loch Lomond & Red Is the Rose
Red Is The Rose
 
Auld Lang Syne
 
Auld Lang Syne
 
Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
 
Northwest Passage
Northwest Passage
 
Barrett's Privateers
 
High Noon/Do Not Forsake Me, Oh My Darling
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: pavane
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 06:58 AM

There is also this one on Loch Lomond referencing an early version called Flora's Lament for her Charlie

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: alison
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 08:49 PM

and possibly the best one we ever had

Spancil Hill

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: John Routledge
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 07:39 PM

Refresh a wonderful thread

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 08 Aug 01 - 11:09 PM

My Wild Irish Rose
 
Massacre of Glencoe
 
Battle of New Orleans
Battle of New Orleans
 
Lament of the Irish Emigrant
Lament of the Irish Emigrant
Lament of the Irish Emigrant
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 12:31 AM

Black Velvet Band
Black Velvet Band
 
Long Black Veil
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 05:45 AM

It sounds quite useful, Katlaughing.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 09:05 AM

Kat, I guess it would make it easier to scan quickly, as an index, but I enjoy reading people's comments in the thread as it grows. It adds to the connectedness I feel in communicating with other people who also remember these old discussions. I would not like to see the links posted by different people and their comments deleted. The beauty of many of these threads is the commentary that builds around the information, and seeing the way different people participate in the search, not just the facts of the source.

Alice

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: MMario
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 10:17 AM

so do BOTH! collate and alphabatize into the top - but leave the rest of the thread for commentary...

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 11:08 AM

Yes, katlaughing, I had noticed a couple of duplicates on stuff. I wasn't worried, for one or two. I enjoy seeing the participation.

There were a couple which I had a problem with, so I re-placed them in a message later. But yes, there were two, that I remember, duplicates.

As Alice and yourself said, the organic quality of the comments is interesting in itself.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: UB Ed
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 11:22 AM

George, this is perfect!!!!!! Defintiely bookmarked. I suggest the Joe Clones group all the songs alphabetically at the top and retain the thread for the comments as Alice suggested.

Here's another I found interesting as it has Clinton's and the Tequila version:

Whiskey in the Jar

Ed

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: UB Ed
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 01:14 PM

Kat, I'd leave the links intact with the comments as well as the alphabetical links on top if it makes little difference from a work or system storage perspective.

Thanks for your efforts.

Ed

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 01:18 PM

Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking, Ed. Thanks very muhc. That's what I will do. I will try to get it finished, today.

Thanks, again,

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: John Routledge
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 01:31 PM

It is worth a year of enforced reading of burning threads to be able to study threads such as this.

MANY MANY THANKS TO ALL CONTRIBUTORS

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: simon-pierre
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 07:30 PM

St. James Infirmary

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Shields Folk
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 08:00 PM

This thread has entertained a number of folk. But what can we hope to achieve by listing and referencing the threads. We have it all in Mudcat.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 09:23 PM

Shields Folk. My intent was to highlight some of the specific threads which talk about the origins of specific songs. So, these links are the quickest way of finding those threads whereby people looking for the origin of a specific song can find it easily.

I had noticed that a number of people recently had started threads asking for where songs came from. A number of threads had shown several threads already existing in the forum which the person originating the request had missed, or not looked for. I got into the search for some of these threads, and they looked very interesting.

Therefore I started this thread so I, and others could find them in one location. Rather than refreshing each one of them, which would have been a major job in itself, and rotated the threads too quickly. Also refreshing each of those threads on a regular basis would have been a pain. This way, only one thread needs to be refreshed to gain access to all these threads.

Here are a couple more I was reading earlier.

Kelligrew's Soiree
 
Casey Jones
 
Wreck of the old '97
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 10:08 PM

Oh? Never thought that. Most of these were older threads. I thought they had been harvested or in the DT already.

So far, the alphabetized list looks really good!

All Around The Hat
 
Let Me Fish Off Cape St. Mary's
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 10:09 PM

Strike the Bell and the second If I Were a Blackbird needs fixing in the alphabetized list.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 10:12 PM

Puff The Magic Dragon needs fixing in the alphabetized list.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 11:08 PM

Kat, the alphabetical list helps to quickly see what would be a duplicate for new links. Thanks. I just recorded Raggle Taggle Gypsy (my version) with a local fiddler, Tom Robison, accompanying. Here's the origins thread for Raggle Taggle Gypsy.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 11 Aug 01 - 07:03 AM

Don't know why we didn't put this in here before:

Wabash Cannonball (also defines term Hobo)
 
Wabash Cannonball (discussion of terms)
 
Wabash Cannonball (definition of terms)
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 11 Aug 01 - 10:11 AM

George, it's Wabash, (not Wabush).

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Shields Folk
Date: 11 Aug 01 - 10:31 AM

Unless every thread relating to song origins is put on this list it will be incomplete. Searching the Digitrad and Forum Searches will bring up information which is missing from this list. The fact that people fail to search the Digitrad before posting suggests that they will post before consulting this thread.Perhaps what we do need is some sort of browse feature on the Digitrad and Forum Search.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 11 Aug 01 - 11:36 AM

I'm sorry about that, Alice! I was only half awake. I really do know better.

Shield Folk, I don't know if we'd wind up with every song, but certainly many of the more popular ones.

It's been fixed to read "Wabash" now
joeclone

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Aug 01 - 12:59 PM

Superb, simply superb, I will have many happy hours browsing

Thanks to all

Gareth