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What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?

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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: GUEST,skippy
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 06:30 PM

Am I the only 25 years served ex military mudcatter out here?
25 years Royal Air Force - (airframe technician)
last ten years as a maint manager in the plastics industry


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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: Reiver 2
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 08:01 PM

I'm retired now, age 73, have been a farm worker, factory worker, social worker, teacher (college and university), Park Ranger (National Parks and AZ State Parks) plus a number of other things, too numerous to mention. Born in WI, have lived in CA,OR,NM,UT and now AZ in the U.S. and also in B.C. Canada. Love history and Irish and Scottish music, after being a regular "folkie" for many years.

Reiver 2


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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 08:26 PM

Im a stonemason come builder Awhile ago I built a new alter for the local chapel What a laugh.....and me an atheist too...


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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: boldreynard
Date: 21 Aug 03 - 11:00 AM

Having been a bookseller and editor, I am now a stay-at-home father. Over the past few months, however, I have turned into an on-line retailer, selling toys and folk art from Germany, most of which my (German) wife and I import to America. If anyone is interested, the site is here.
In my spare time, I try to convince my wife to let me buy instruments I don't know how to play, and to teach my children as many songs as their little heads can hold. The latter is more of a success than the former, which is probably best.


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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Aug 03 - 03:54 PM

I started out in college with very fuzzy ideas of becoming a writer, and if that didn't work out, I didn't have a fallback plan. I guess I just assumed I could muddle through somehow. Fell in with small group of folk music enthusiasts (Claire Hess, Walt Robertson, Sandy Paton, and three or four others). This was in the early Fifties. There were rumblings, such as a couple of songs recorded by the Weavers making the Hit Parade and the fact that when Burl Ives did a concert at the UW's Meany Hall it sold-out, but no one had any idea that folk would suddenly become a big pop-music fad. We figured it would stay in its own little ghetto, sort of like jazz. I started getting a few gigs (singing at a meeting of librarians, a reunion of retired airline stewardesses, a museum fund-raiser, that sort of thing), then I was asked to do a series of TV shows sponsored by the Seattle Public Library on what is now this area's PBS affiliate. About that same time coffeehouses were opening up around here and probably as a result of the TV series, I was suddenly in demand. I made a marginal but thoroughly enjoyable living until the mid to late Sixties by doing more television, singing regularly in coffeehouses and clubs, doing a bunch of concerts, and teaching guitar, both private and class lessons.

In the mid-Sixties, the character of the whole thing changed. Folk was out, the Beatles were in, the whole scene became inundated with drugs, and the coffeehouses started folding. Also, I was tired of having such a sporadic and unpredictable income that I couldn't plan ahead very easily. Boeing was hiring, so having a few drawing skills, I went to work for them as a production illustrator (sort of like drafting, but a bit looser). Got laid off with the rest of the world in the early Seventies when Boeing cut it's work force from 102,000 to 35,000 (famous sign on the outskirts of Seattle: "Will the last person to leave please turn out the lights?").

While working at Boeing, I knew I didn't want to do that for the rest of my life, so I took some broadcast training in the evenings. Fresh out of Boeing, I got a job as a radio announcer. Straight DJ at first, then as a rush hour traffic reporter ("Disabled vehicle in the northbound lanes of I-5 on the ship canal bridge. Traffic backed up as far as the Mercer on-ramp. Avoid the area if possible. . . ."). Over the next eight years I worked for five different radio stations as an announcer, newscaster, news director, copy writer, and producer. Stations kept changing formats and announcing staff (any time the ratings came out and they didn't come in as high as they thought they should) and I decided that although it was a lot of fun, it was a very unreliable way to try to make a living.

So I went to work for the phone company (Ma Bell) as an operator (from broadcasting to narrowcasting). Bad move. I hated that job with a purple passion. The surroundings were pleasant, the pay was reasonable, and the bennies were pretty good, but you were little more than a galley slave chained to an oar. You got politely shat upon no matter what you did. Keep the customer contact as brief as possible ("You're spending too much time with some of the customers."), but always be polite, helpful, and amiable ("You're being too abrupt. Try to be more friendly."). A labor report I once read said that because of the contradictory demands of supervisors, the most stressful job was telephone operator, followed by flight traffic controller. After the divestiture (deregulation of telephone companies in the mid Eighties) Ma Bell went on a name-changing binge and laid off a bunch of people, including, fortunately, me. Never so glad to be unemployed in my life!

I got a job with an accounting firm that was under contract to do residential weatherization inspections for the Bonneville Power Administration. They wanted someone who knew word processing. This was mid-Eighties and not all that many people were familiar with computers, but I'd been dinking with one for a couple of years, and was attempting to write a science fiction novel with WordStar on my KayPro II. The BPA wanted big stacks of residential inspection reports from twenty-two different Public Utility Districts in the state boiled down to one cohesive six-page report per district. Most of it was boilerplate. All I had to do was fill in the figures, write a few comments, most of which were supplied by the inspectors themselves, and print it out. I "polished up the handle so carefully that they made me the ruler of" public information for the Washington State Oil Help weatherization program (which is to say, I answered customer questions on the 800 number information line while word-processing reports for BPA). Both programs fizzled when the contracts were not renewed, and the job came to an end.

During the time I was looking for another job, I managed to do a little fandango and broke a leg. Since I was already walking on crutches (polio at age two), this put me in a wheelchair. This was around 1990, and despite the ADA and Equal Opportunity Employment acts and all that, a 59 year-old-guy in a wheelchair ain't gonna get hired real quick. A counselor at the Department of Vocational Rehabilitation said, "You're not getting Social Security Disability Income? You could have been getting all this time!" She didn't add "you dummy!" but I'm sure she was thinking it. "It isn't all that much, but you could just retire, you know."

So I did ("They gave me a pension of ten pence a day, and contented with shellucks, I live on half-pay."). Now I'm learning a whole lot of songs I never got around to, practicing fairly regularly on the guitar (trying to regain some of what I lost while working "day jobs" for a couple decades or so), and even though I have to get around on wheels, I'm actually getting a few gigs. One coming up about mid-September, providing some of the background music for a poetry reading—very "Ken Burns" type of presentation. I'm also writing a book of reminiscences, "memoir" or whatever, of the folk scene as I muddled though it, and I've had a few magazine articles published here and there. Some of these long things I post on Mudcat serve as drafts for other stuff I'm working on. These days I'm writing a lot! You may have noticed.

I'm still trying to figure out what I want to be when I grow up.

Much more than you ever wanted to know about anyone. Thanks for putting up with me.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: Amos
Date: 21 Aug 03 - 04:57 PM

Don,

Thanks, man. That was a real postm if y'know wha I mean.

A


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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: MBSLynne
Date: 22 Aug 03 - 04:49 PM

I grow and sell herbs, give talks on them, milk cows, deliver directories. Before I gave up work (!) to be a Mother I was an artificial inseminator (of the cattle kind). I have also been an office clerk, a milk delivery person, a strawberry picker, a chamber maid, a waitress, a stocktaker, a tupperware sales lady.


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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: Kelly
Date: 22 Aug 03 - 06:45 PM

I've done just about everything. My first job was as a dishwasher in a small sicilian bistro, then I proceeded through the Restaurant section of the yellowpages in my hometown (Charlottesville, Virginia) until I'd graced the kitchens and floors of most area italian and greek joints.

From there, I was a live-in caretaker for an old slovenian woman, in NYC, who taught me how to curse in Slavic, which most illogically propelled me into a brief stint as a head chef in an Illinois nursing home. From there, I found my way to a trendy healthy-fast-food (yes it exists) and smoothie shop in an orlando mall, followed closely behind by a return to Virginia for grocery-cashier, Domino's pizza driver, J-Crew phone order taker, and a sprinkling of freelance webdesign. A few months later it was fuel stations and daycares in Dallas, TX, then working at the same Virginia school as my pops (Allan C.) but in a different department, babysitting expensive AV equipment.

Then it was off to Silicon Valley, this time to babysit a 24 year-old dot-com millionaire (personal assistant), then back to VA to work -for- my pops at the aforementioned college. Then *struggles to remember* ah yes, more greek restaurants, a rib joint, and off to New Orleans to work in the same damn rib joint that Id worked at in VA.

That died out quickly and led me to SoCal, and CopyMax doing the same work Id done with pops, then a long stretch of unemployment and illness, chased by a reasonable stay as the Director's assistant for a major rock-band and corporate promotions company.

Then back to Dallas where I did five months (yes, DID, as in felt-like-a-prison-sentence) as a junior designer at a low-end dot com, which I ran screaming from, and two days later stopped running when I ran smack dab into a contracted government job processing fatalities (sometimes very depressing) for the US Dept of Labor's Occupational Safety & Health Administration. I've been at OSHA for 9 months now and plan to be there til I finish school (4 years) and can meander back to Northern California to be a Kindergarten teacher.

*Takes a breath and goes to rest her over-typed fingers*


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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: Rosebrook
Date: 22 Aug 03 - 11:51 PM

I'm currently running a welfare-to-work job training program. The program has a 50% no show rate, and most folks come in kicking and screaming. I've found that many people who are mandated to do something, even if it's good for them and will help them earn more money, don't wanna. But the people who become engaged in the program and complete it are making major life changes, and I find working with them very gratifying.

Before that I coordinated a Career Resource Center. Resume writing, assisting with job search, conducting mock interviews, etc. I love helping people go to work.

For fun: playing hammered dulcimer/recorder mostly Celtic music, writing, spending time with family and friends, helping local folk music society put on contra dances (begging callers and musicians to come to this remote part of the state for very little money but lots of hospitality and fun), going to the gym, visiting Mudcat but posting very rarely.

Rose
(dubbed 'Resume Rose' by my colleagues)


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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 23 Aug 03 - 12:17 AM

Retired

I get one mill (1/20 US cent) for a particular POP-UP advertisment that remains on a computer screen for five (5) seconds or more. The trick is placement.

I also get one tenth of a mill (1/200 US cent) for every successfully delivered E-Mail.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 23 Aug 03 - 12:54 AM

ResumeRose- Your second post for 2003 and your first post of the night



Glad too see you have found greener pastures.



Sincerely,

Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 23 Aug 03 - 11:19 PM

I work at a local park district as a janitor. I took the job because it allowed some flexibility for me to take off if some chances to play music arose (I do the job to support my music habit). I've been at it over 18 years because of that. Many song arrangements have occurred because I had an idea while sweeping a floor. I never thought I'd be there that long. Inspite of myself, I will actually get some pension benefits. Besides, it's another job you can do with a liberal arts college degree in English lit. The band has managed to be able to travel a lot over the years and we've played some great gigs and met some wonderful people.


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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: Gurney
Date: 24 Aug 03 - 02:54 AM

Jobbing handyman, domestic and factory maintenance. Best job I've ever had, own boss, usually interesting, rarely boring, sometimes frightening (not that fond of heights) but not awfully well paid.
Been a miner, soldier, insurance man, factory worker, and helped assemble a LOT of cars, Jaguar, Morris, Daihatsu, Honda, and a warehouse supervisor. Assembled that, too.


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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: Gilly
Date: 24 Aug 03 - 07:07 AM

Im a postwoman in Bolton nw england.


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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: Auxiris
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 06:53 AM

I translate things, mostly from French to English and once in a while from English to French. Otherwise, I hybridize tall bearded iris and play music.

cheers,

Aux


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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: Rosebrook
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 10:23 AM

Hey Garg,

(I would send this as a PM - seems more appropriate, but you have guest status) Through the midst of all the controversy over the years, I've enjoyed your clever posts, your confrontations, your questionings. You've had a lurky ally. But I gotta tell you man, it spooks me out that you are aware of this being my 2nd post in 2003. Maybe I haven't been lurking in stealth mode as well as I had thought.

I have found the pastures are greener mostly offline.

Rock on, (or folk on, or whatever turns you on,)
Rose


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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 01:54 PM

Rose, if you click on your name in the heading of any of your postings, it will take you to a listing of your postings by date. Anyone can do so on anyone's name. Nice to see you around.

kat


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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: PeteBoom
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 02:31 PM

I keep people honest - in all my jobs.

Software QA is the "factory" job. I also teach percussion. Up until a year ago I played in a Scots-Irish folk band. Left that and the pipe band I started (I also started the folk band) to pursue other interests.

Found the "Other Interests" and now commute to Windsor, Ontario weekly, to play in the Windsor Police Pipe Band, Grade 2.

Cheers - Pete


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Subject: RE: What Do Mudcatters Do For A Living?
From: Garry Gillard
Date: 30 Aug 03 - 07:01 AM

I teach/research Australian Cinema.

Garry


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