BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.

Subject: RE: The Mudcat Is Under Fire
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 06:05 AM

"Comrades!" cried Squealer, making little nervous skips, "a most terrible thing has been discovered. Snowball has sold himself to Frederick of Pinchfield Farm, who is even now plotting to attack us and take our farm away from us! Snowball is to act as his guide when the attack begins. But there is worse than that. We had thought that Snowball's rebellion was caused simply by his vanity and ambition. But we were wrong, comrades.

Do you know what the real reason was? Snowball was in league with Jones from the very start! He was Jones's secret agent all the time. It has all been proved by documents which he left behind him and which we have only just discovered. To my mind this explains a great deal, comrades. Did we not see for ourselves how he attempted-fortunately without success-to get us defeated and destroyed at the Battle of the Cowshed?"

The animals were stupefied. This was a wickedness far outdoing Snowball's destruction of the windmill. But it was some minutes before they could fully take it in. They all remembered, or thought they remembered, how they had seen Snowball charging ahead of them at the Battle of the Cowshed, how he had rallied and encouraged them at every turn, and how he had not paused for an instant even when the pellets from Jones's gun had wounded his back. At first it was a little difficult to see how this fitted in with his being on Jones's side. Even Boxer, who seldom asked questions, was puzzled. He lay down, tucked his fore hoofs beneath him, shut his eyes, and with a hard effort managed to formulate his thoughts.
"I do not believe that," he said. "Snowball fought bravely at the Battle of the Cowshed. I saw him myself. Did we not give him 'Animal Hero, first Class,' immediately afterwards?"

"That was our mistake, comrade. For we know now-it is all written down in the secret documents that we have found-that in reality he was trying to lure us to our doom."

"But he was wounded," said Boxer. "We all saw him running with blood."

"That was part of the arrangement!" cried Squealer. "Jones's shot only grazed him. I could show you this in his own writing, if you were able to read it. The plot was for Snowball, at the critical moment, to give the signal for flight and leave the field to the enemy. And he very nearly succeeded-I will even say, comrades, he would have succeeded if it had not been for our heroic Leader, Comrade Napoleon.

Do you not remember how, just at the moment when Jones and his men had got inside the yard, Snowball suddenly turned and fled, and many animals followed him? And do you not remember, too, that it was just at that moment, when panic was spreading and all seemed lost, that Comrade Napoleon sprang forward with a cry of 'Death to Humanity!' and sank his teeth in Jones's leg? Surely you remember that, comrades?" exclaimed Squealer, frisking from side to side.

Now when Squealer described the scene so graphically, it seemed to the animals that they did remember it. At any rate, they remembered that at the critical moment of the battle Snowball had turned to flee. But Boxer was still a little uneasy.

"I do not believe that Snowball was a traitor at the beginning," he said finally. "What he has done since is different. But I believe that at the Battle of the Cowshed he was a good comrade."

"Our Leader, Comrade Napoleon," announced Squealer, speaking very slowly and firmly, "has stated categorically-categorically, comrade-that Snowball was Jones's agent from the very beginning-yes, and from long before the Rebellion was ever thought of."

"Ah, that is different!" said Boxer. "If Comrade Napoleon says it, it must be right."

From Animal Farm by George Orwell.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 05:50 AM

THE MUDCAT IS UNDER ATTACK

Where you can find our anonymous heroes recounting to each other all of their brave deeds, in Mudcat's own - Battle of the Cowshed.

Although estimates of the size of the opposition and the scale and ferocity of the encounter do vary. Ranging from the fierce struggle described here.

Subject: RE: THE MUDCAT IS UNDER FIRE
From: GUEST,Fat Clone - PM
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 01:24 PM

The attack started even earlier. I killed off the first one and then a dozen or so more about 8:40. I had to leave before 9 to make an appointment and had to run before I could be of much more help.
First off, don't try to horn in on my status as the fat clone. LOL.
Second, it's alright. I got this deleting posts thing down to a science because of all the practice I get. Just ask Rog. We cleaned them out in a hurry. You get the next batch. Mudelf, the Huge and Magnificent.

And the efficient, time to spare 'walk in the park' of the following.

Subject: RE: THE MUDCAT IS UNDER FIRE
From: Big Mick - PM
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 11:11 AM

Major attack starts around 9:00 AM. By 11:00 AM it is stopped and cleaned up. Don't listen to self righteous, know it all assholes. The whole thing was handled very well, with the integrity of Mudcat back in shape. Those that point out that about 2 dozen or so use this place are just idiots. It is visited by many, but I can think of a couple that could leave and wouldn't be missed.

Job done, let's get on with Mudcattin'.

Mick

The Battle of the Cowshed may have been a useful diversion for some. But of course, it does not really explain to our forum why an editing comment cannot always be placed where our anonymous ones have judged that the contributions of a fellow poster need to be subject to some form of imposed action and why editing comments cannot be limited to only this. As this will be seen to protect all concerned - and the time required - will not stretch anyone too much.

Subject: RE: The Mudcat Is Under Fire
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 05:19 AM

The Battle of the Cowshed

The animals had now reassembled in the wildest excitement, each recounting his own exploits in the battle at the top of his voice. An impromptu celebration of the victory was held immediately. The flag was run up and Beasts of England was sung a number of times, then the sheep who had been killed was given a solemn funeral, a hawthorn bush being planted on her grave. At the graveside Snowball made a little speech, emphasising the need for all animals to be ready to die for Animal Farm if need be.

The animals decided unanimously to create a military decoration, "Animal Hero, First Class," which was conferred there and then on Snowball and Boxer. It consisted of a brass medal (they were really some old horse-brasses which had been found in the harness-room), to be worn on Sundays and holidays. There was also "Animal Hero, Second Class," which was conferred posthumously on the dead sheep.

There was much discussion as to what the battle should be called. In the end, it was named the Battle of the Cowshed, since that was where the ambush had been sprung.

From Animal Farm by Goerge Orwell.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 04:37 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Washing snotty handkerchifs
From: JennyO - PM
Date: 23 Sep 06 - 03:17 AM

It always amazes me, the people who come onto threads where the subject can be very clearly seen without opening them, just to read them and criticise us poor little plebs for wasting our lives on them. Obviously they don't mind wasting THEIR lives to do that.
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Subject: RE: Shambles & Birthdays, Why?
From: kendall - PM
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 01:56 PM

Shambles used to irritate the hell out of me by wasting space just to have something to say. Now, I simply ignor any post that he puts up. Works for me.
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[the cheque is in the post Jenny]

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: number 6
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 08:40 PM

"Let's just leave him alone."

Exactly Mcgrath ... leave him alone, leave this thread alone, and then, just maybe this thread will fade away. We all aren't doing Max and the Cat a favour (and I say we, not just Shambles) by continuing in this sensless, ridiculous, repetitive babble.

It really (in all honesty) has to be one of the most boring of threads.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,skinny clone
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 05:08 PM

I deleted at least 50-60 of the spam messages myself, and I saw at least 200 when I started, about 10:15. I noticed that sometimes when I went to one, someone had beaten me to it. I had no idea who else was working on the problem. Nor did I care. It was a project, and it was done.

In some threads, there were 5-7 individual spams. You can be sure I would never consider explaining each one. No- it is not part of the job to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 02:33 PM

Let's just leave him alone. I'm rather sorry curiosity got the better of me and I dipped into this thread, and then made a couple of posts to it. It's easy to slip into the way of doing that, but it's not really a good idea. So "Over and out".

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 01:52 PM

"It would ensure that any poster would KNOW if their contribution had been subjected to imposed edition action. Is this really too much for posters to expect?"

No one other then you cares Shambles. On all other boards the editors can edit what they want when they want and without notifying anyone. Most of us have accepted this as the proper way to do things. Just because you have a bug up your butt about this doesn't mean that anyone should have extra work to do.

If you really care, and since you obviosly have the time, you can keep monitoring threads and start a thread of edited posts letting everyone know who was edited. Yes that does sound stupid. But its no more stupid then asking for the rules that 99.9% of Mudcat approves of to be changed just to satisfy Shambles.

Again, if you don't like it here leave and start your own site. Or just send a PM to Max. But perhaps you've already done that and he has already told you that he doesn't agree.

Anyway:

"Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell."

According to Max "Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can." That's about you leaving.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Big Mick
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 01:43 PM

Yes it is. Keep discussing this if you choose, it will not change.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 01:39 PM

There were hundreds of spam posts, and it took a large team of volunteers working collaboratively more than an hour to restore the Mudcat. Asking the entire team to instead spend 4 or 5 hours on this otherwise routine task is an unreasonable expectation on the labor of volunteers who have other things to do in their lives besides documenting their every action for the benefit of one single complainer.

Very possibly - but I did say this issue was a red herring. And the last post from an anonymous clone - did say 'dozens' not 'hundreds'. Which was it? Or will we be told next it was thousands of posts?

For the very imposed few, non-spam related closures and editing actions that are the real concern - the time it would take to always supply an editing comment of explanation - would not add to to the time demands - even of our current crop of anonymous 'moderators'.

It would ensure that any poster would KNOW if their contribution had been subjected to imposed edition action. Is this really too much for posters to expect?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 01:32 PM

Some people have more to do with their lives, than to indulge in futile pastimes to please you Roger. If by some chance they did so, you would of course find something else to complain about.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: jeffp
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 01:28 PM

Hear Hear!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks, clones!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,An anonymous clone
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 01:25 PM

If there were say as many as 4 dozen of these posts and they all needed to be urgently deleted - that would mean (20+ an extra 45 seconds) 65 seconds max, for each one. That would only be a total of well under an hour's effort to be divided up between whatever number of unknown 'moderators' were involved.

Not really too much time out of one's life to be seen to do a job properly - is it?

There were hundreds of spam posts, and it took a large team of volunteers working collaboratively more than an hour to restore the Mudcat. Asking the entire team to instead spend 4 or 5 hours on this otherwise routine task is an unreasonable expectation on the labor of volunteers who have other things to do in their lives besides documenting their every action for the benefit of one single complainer.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 01:23 PM

Check your PMs, Roger.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 01:19 PM

Volunteers to get harangued and sneered at and generally harassed by obsessive and self-regarding characters?

I doubt if there are too many. Surprising there are any. I suppose the aim of Mr S to to bully Joe and the other into giving up the struggle. Perhaps to drive Max into pulling the plug on the whole operation. And then he'll be really pleased with himself. "I've won!"

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 01:09 PM

Looking for a job Roger?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 01:07 PM

As one of the anonymous clones who helped clean up from the attack, I need to let you know that there were dozens of garbage-posts that needed to be deleted, It took 10 to 20 seconds to delete each one without adding in a comment. Spending an extra 30 or 45 seconds to add in a comment is an onerous task we volunteers are unwilling to deal with in these situations.

Maybe so. If I waste my time answering anonymous complainers who have no life themselves, there may be serious doubt whether I have a life. Remind me not to give you the courtesy of an answer again.
-Joe Offer-

I did say this was a red herring - as the concern is still the baby not the bath-water and to ensure that all other editing actions can always be recorded in editing comments - which is not addressed. But I will answer this (tired-out) 'anonymous complainer' on the point raised.

If there were say as many as 4 dozen of these posts and they all needed to be urgently deleted - that would mean (20+ an extra 45 seconds) 65 seconds max, for each one. That would only be a total of well under an hour's effort to be divided up between whatever number of unknown 'moderators' were involved.

Not really too much time out of one's life to be seen to do a job properly - is it?

And if 'you' current crop of anonymous volunteers are unwilling to do the job properly - the fact is that, I am quite sure there are many new ones who would be. Perhaps you should step down and let them? They may even be prepared to be known and be seen to stand by their actions?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 12:39 PM

I have and I don't mind as I was OTT, so take my name off your list too!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: bobad
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 12:23 PM

What Ebbie said goes for me too.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 12:14 PM

At 9:45, Shambles, you listed my name - again - as having a post of mine "silently deleted". This, in spite of my having informed you that it wasn't true, that it never was true.

Now. If you have any integrity, you will take my name OFF THAT LIST. You are lying when you make it sound that I have a complaint.

I need you to acknowledge your error NOW.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,An anonymous clone
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 11:54 AM

I need to correct a few misimpressions in a recent prevous post.

(2) Would you like to see for each of these posts a comment by a clone why it was deleted?

Yes – why not? That is part of their role – if they do not like it – someone else will always be prepared to undertake the role properly.

As one of the anonymous clones who helped clean up from the attack, I need to let you know that there were dozens of garbage-posts that needed to be deleted, It took 10 to 20 seconds to delete each one without adding in a comment. Spending an extra 30 or 45 seconds to add in a comment is an onerous task we volunteers are unwilling to deal with in these situations.

(3) Should the comments refresh the threads?

Yes – why not – but in these cases the thread has already been refreshed and in itself is doing little harm. Posters can either post something new – or let the tread fall off the bottom.

Once the spam posts are deleted, the thread is restored as though the posts had never taken place. A thread with a previous post of 2002 returns to the state of needing to set the filters to bring up a 2002 thread once all the recent spam-posts have been deleted,

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 11:47 AM

"(2) Would you like to see for each of these posts a comment by a clone why it was deleted?

Yes – why not? That is part of their role – if they do not like it – someone else will always be prepared to undertake the role properly."

Why would you think that? Their job spec isn't published here and you've been told repeatedly that they haven't the time for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: number 6
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 11:32 AM

"You keep rehashing this same stuff over and over. Nobody but you much cares"

Ya gotta be kiddin' ... this is one of the most popular threads in the Cat lately, thanks to Shambles and you regular posters .. pro or con Shambles ... it's growing at a healthy pace each day. As they say, people don't like change, if even it is repetitive.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 11:22 AM

"(2) Would you like to see for each of these posts a comment by a clone why it was deleted?

Yes – why not? That is part of their role – if they do not like it – someone else will always be prepared to undertake the role properly."

Roger you are mad, and that response proves it, Have you any idea how many messages the JCs have had to delete in that attack?
No, and neither do I, but I saw dozens on the list.

I thought you lived in Weymouth, but I see it's actually 'Cloud Cuckoo Land'

Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 11:09 AM

And if I didn't know, why should I care.

Only you will know and can answer why you should be seen to care or not and about what.

But the following was not a rhetorical, question. Perhaps you could answer it - or perhaps you already have.......

But are you only concerned about your own posts and not concerned at all about finding ways of preventing this from happening again to your fellow posters? Or are you suggesting that it is their own fault in some way?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 11:02 AM

(1) Do you approve of these posts being deleted?

This is really a bit a red herring but as you ask. It is automatically generated spam. Most spam is deleted automatically before I see it – I have no problem with that. If it has to be done this way – why should I not approve of it being manually deleted? My concern is with the baby – not the bath-water.

(2) Would you like to see for each of these posts a comment by a clone why it was deleted?

Yes – why not? That is part of their role – if they do not like it – someone else will always be prepared to undertake the role properly.

(3) Should the comments refresh the threads?

Yes – why not – but in these cases the thread has already been refreshed and in itself is doing little harm. Posters can either post something new – or let the tread fall off the bottom.

(4) Do you mind that the person asctually deleting such a post remains unknown?

Yes I do – It is confusing when being seen to be anonymous on our forum is judged by our current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team to be both a good and a bad thing.

I think that it will set a good example if all 'moderators' are required to be known and stand by their actions – as members are expected to. If you like - I will then always put my name in 'snitchers corner' (should it still continue in its current form).

Now I have answered your questions Wolfgang - perhaps you will now be kind enough to confirm to our forum that you also had a post deleted – in the recent thread that I referred to which has vanished without trace or explanation?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 10:45 AM

"Evidently Shambles isn't a wind-up. "

But he is a wind up merchant...

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 10:42 AM

And if I didn't know, why should I care. That is a rhetorical, question. Please please, Shambles, don't take it as yet another peg to hang a response on.

He's a good songwriter. He's a good singer. He's a good bloke, in fact. But...

Remember with the old-style records when you had one with a slight crack or a scratch, and how the needle would get stuck in a groove and it repeated and repeated... In the days of wind-ups the record just went slower and sower and stopped after a time. But with the electric ones it just went on until someone switched them or the record wore through. Evidently Shambles isn't a wind-up.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 10:32 AM

(1) I approve of deletion of threads that do not meet criteria (if I was in charge I would delete even more).

So no more - please. The implications of such an attitude when logically extended to other criteria (like the laws of the land) are mind-boggling.

For what is the point of claiming there is to be criteria or law - if it is to be ignored?

The world has been this way before - with disastrous results - or have you forgotten, already?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 10:23 AM

The other pettiness you bring up the second time is still below my threshold for responding.

Well I think it was at least the third time of asking.

But as I am sure that such a thread did exist and Wolfgang seems for some reason to be unwilling to confirm that he also had a post in it - which has also vanished without trace or explanation - perhaps some other poster (or even a 'moderator') would be kind enough to confirm to our forum that such a thread did exist?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 10:17 AM

But let me also ask you questions, Shambles. You must have seen the present attack on Mudcat with posts of the type I have quoted above.

(1) Do you approve of these posts being deleted?
(2) Would you like to see for each of these posts a comment by a clone why it was deleted?
(3) Should the comments refresh the threads?
(4) Do you mind that the person asctually deleting such a post remains unknown?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 10:10 AM

Well what are these suggestions? (Shambles)

Well, I knew you wouldn't be contented with my response to your question, you never are. You only ask a new question.

Why should I make suggestions to change a state of affairs I generally approve of though not in each single case?
(1) I approve of deletion of threads that do not meet criteria (if I was in charge I would delete even more).
(2) I approve that this is done in most cases silently and without giving reasons.
(3) I don't mind not to know the identity of the person taking the action.

But what would I do if I would not approve of the present level of deletions? Well, I would mail Max and tell him and ask him either to rein the clones a bit better or to replace them with better clones. I'd even mail a second time if he'd answer he is contented with their actions If I really felt I had a good point. If then I did not get a response at all or a response that I was not contented with I'd shut up.

So the best suggestion to change the way this forum is run (assuming I would dislike the present state of affairs) is to ask the boss for a change, once or even twice, and then to shut up.

The other pettiness you bring up the second time is still below my threshold for responding.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 09:45 AM

How come I never seem to have had a post deleted...

How would you know?

This is rather the point of this 'silent deletion'. And ind order to protect posters and 'moderators' alike - rather the point of requesting that all such cases are always recorded in editing comments and all editing comments limited to where such action has taken place. Is that really too much to ask?

But if you do not want to have your contributions deleted - it is fairly easy to be careful to do as you are now being instructed, turn a blind eye and just keep on saying only what our 'moderators' want to hear.

But are you only concerned about your own posts and not concerned at all about finding ways of preventing this from happening again to your fellow posters? Or are you suggesting that it is their own fault in some way?

Many of whom (including the following) have had their posts 'silently deleted' when they did not meet the required criteria - by some anonymous 'moderator' - using criteria of their own? [This list not including casualties in the more recent thread referred to that has vanished without trace or explanation]

Georgiansilver
number 6
Little Hawk
John 'Giok' MacKenzie
bobad
jacqui.c
Ebbie
MMario
Liz the Squeak -

John 'Giok' MacKenzie
The Villan
number 6
GUEST,Jon
skipy
Divis Sweeney
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"Four legs good, two legs better! Four legs good, two legs better! Four legs good, two legs better!"

It went on for five minutes without stopping. And by the time the sheep had quieted down, the chance to utter any protest had passed, for the pigs had marched back into the farmhouse.

Benjamin felt a nose nuzzling at his shoulder. He looked round. It was Clover. Her old eyes looked dimmer than ever. Without saying anything, she tugged gently at his mane and led him round to the end of the big barn, where the Seven Commandments were written. For a minute or two they stood gazing at the tatted wall with its white lettering.

"My sight is failing," she said finally. "Even when I was young I could not have read what was written there. But it appears to me that that wall looks different. Are the Seven Commandments the same as they used to be, Benjamin?"

For once Benjamin consented to break his rule, and he read out to her what was written on the wall. There was nothing there now except a single Commandment. It ran:

ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL
BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS
After that it did not seem strange when next day the pigs who were supervising the work of the farm all carried whips in their trotters.

From Animal Farm by George Orwell.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bagpuss
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 09:28 AM

Shambles, Wolfgang agreed that he COULD "offer some suggestions as to how to prevent entire threads on our forum from continuing to be 'silently deleted' by persons and reasons unknown - when they do not meet the required criteria?". He made no indication of whether or not he WOULD do so... Some of us have self restraint and refrain from doing things merely because we CAN do them.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 09:22 AM

Please stop Shambles from posting. Or edit out any complaint post by him. This has gone on way too long. The man can't admit that he has no say here. He has expressed his point of view. His suggestions have been denied by ownership. Please stop the same repitition from happening time after time.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 09:21 AM

Yes.

Well what are these suggestions?

And can you confirm that you are not entering dreams (if you don't enter mine I will not enter yours) and that you did also post to the recent thread, I referred to, that has vanished without trace or explanation?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 09:21 AM

How come I never seem to have had a post deleted...What am I doing wrong?

If you enjoy coping with this, Joe, you must be a masochist. If you don't, you're a saint.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 08:56 AM

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Family Ointment
From: GUEST,8iawv2mu70 - PM
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 08:22 AM

dn88j2eldby2api0 shjlnl7f3wz [URL=http://www.374272.com/499712.html] uyapg9nylp2i [/URL] glc83msxcxrx8efj

This is but one example why I am very much in favour of deleting posts. It looks like many old music threads right now have been refreshed with nonsense posts like the one above (I stopped looking after the first three attempts). It is of course quick and easy to ignore such a post but loading an old thread of some length takes a couple of seconds (up to half a minute on my weekend computer). I hate wasting some minutes of my time this way just to find out that nothing of any interest has refresehd a thread.

JCs finding and silently deleting such posts without comment refreshing the thread act in the best of my personal interest. I'll come back to the music section in a few hours for I am confident that they will have swept away the dirt silently.

Perhaps rather than just trying to ignore this - you could... (Shambles)

What a nonsense assuption to make, Shambles. I'm not trying to ignore this post. I have read it and like much more than 99 % of all posts I read I find it does not need any comment from me. If you think I'm ignoring all posts I'm not commenting you mare very much mistaken.

Perhaps you could offer some suggestions as to how to prevent entire threads on our forum from continuing to be 'silently deleted' by persons and reasons unknown - when they do not meet the required criteria? (Shambles)

Yes.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 08:42 AM

I personally don't give a damn Sham.......and neither should you. You keep rehashing this same stuff over and over. Nobody but you much cares! You keep restating that the place is for fun.....Then have some and forget about the other stuff. It's a website. Its very much a community too, but it's a website. There are no guarantees of free speech or personal rights. What Max says is what goes.

Got a problem? Then take it up with Max thru the PM's you constantly have praised. You've already stated the smae things at least 50 times each......Nothing new has been said since Hector was a pup and Hector has been dead now for a long time......as I recall he died from you kicking him. And remember, abuse of animals is directly related to domestic violence.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 07:55 AM

You repeatedly use the term 'our forum' when in the light of what you post, what you mean is 'MY forum' This whole waste of space thread is all about you, and not about Mudcat at all.
You remind me of Violet Elizabeth Bott, but with one difference. You scream and you scream, and you scream, till you make US sick!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 07:45 AM

So posters can now only post about things they have some control over?

Like Iraq, Sudan and Third World Dept etc.

Where has Max ever stated such a thing?

When judgement is imposed on the invited contributions of posters, this is undertaken in their name, in order to protect them and certain assurances are given for the criteria required - perhaps they can be expected to seen to question this - if these assurances are not seen to be honoured and be able to have their say on this - as they would on any other issue?

And to be able to post on this subject as often as any other?

I am sure we will all be concerned about climate change and continue to post these concerns - even when we accept that it something we REALLY have little or no control over?

As it is still generally accepted that our forum will be what its posters make it - perhaps you could offer some suggestions as to how to prevent entire threads on our forum from continuing to be 'silently deleted' by persons and reasons unknown - when they do not meet the required criteria?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 06:57 AM

"Perhaps you could offer some suggestions as to how to prevent entire threads on our forum from continuing to be 'silently deleted' by persons and reasons unknown - when they do not meet the required criteria?"

When are you going to wake up to the FACT that you have absolutely NO CONTROL over this? If something is deleted that is then overturned, Max, Jeff, or Joe handle the situation with the elf involved. If they feel the clone isn't doing the job that Max expects, THEY will handle it. You don't have a damn thing to say about it. There are a number of threads and posts that have been deleted over the years that don't match Joe's criteria but Joe and the Clones are still on the job and to the best of my knowledge, NONE have been fired. Even if they have, that's none of your business or mine. It's Max's call. Remember too that Max and company reserve the right to do whatever.

And don't throw out that aged Max line about the rules because it is obviously NOT the situation anymore.

You're completely off the deep end Shamby. Are you really like this in 3D? LMAO.....you're a friggin' nutcase if you are! Actually, those poor souls around you are probably going bats just trying to deal with you.......LOL.....Have a great day and watch for the "White Coats."

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 06:32 AM

Ron Olesko says.

I've stopped posting to this thread, but I've been observing. I hope others might try it and learn some of the things that I have by simply watching. No one wins, no one is right.
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[PM] WFDU - Ron Olesko BS: Closed threads & deleted posts. (1584* d) RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts. 30 Oct 06

If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 06:15 AM

I stand corrected, Shambles. You have posted under your name in the help forum after you have used the expression "snitcher's corner".

Thank you Wolfgang.

Perhaps rather than just trying to ignore this - you could also confirm that you did also post to the recent thread I have referred to, and that your post there, along with all the others in that entire thread, has vanished without trace or explanation?

Perhaps you could offer some suggestions as to how to prevent entire threads on our forum from continuing to be 'silently deleted' by persons and reasons unknown - when they do not meet the required criteria?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 04:17 PM

I stand corrected, Shambles. You have posted under your name in the help forum after you have used the expression "snitcher's corner".

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 09:50 AM

PERSECUTION ALERT

ATTENTION SHAMBLES.......Once again you are being targeted as a second (or third or ninetheenth or seven hundred and forty-sixth) class citizen of Mudcat!!! There is a thread running with pictures and even video RIGHT IN THE THREAD!!!

You can't do that! If you did it some terrible moderator would delete your posts 'cause its against the rules. But no one is messing with this thread so I guess its okay for certain ones but not for all.    Quick....You can post this anonymously in your "Snitcher's Corner".......

TIME TO START A NEW CAMPAIGN

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 09:23 AM

"Whether you accept or not, the current Chief of the Editing Team's assessment or the suggested cure for what he finds wanting - expressed in the following - there is little point in pretending that our forum is anything other than it really is."

You're right Shamples, Max's forum is what it is. If you don't like what it is then leave, start your own forum or just try to find an ideal place for yourself that meets all of your utopian criteria.

Or, you can send a PM to Max. No one else here seems to support you so go right to the top and plead your case. WE DON'T CARE!!!!!!!!!

Also, why don't you just post the entire Animal Farm. That should keep you occupied for a while typing it all into your little computer.

Just stop annoying everyone because as you know:

"Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell."

According to Max "Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can." That's about you leaving.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 08:52 AM

Shambles- you definetley are a mad person.
anyway= if you was a member of my family, i would lock you in the cupboard, i would say="look shambles, theres a big cake in that cupboard", and when you went to look, i would lock you in, till you promise to stop moaning, (i would make you sign a letter waht i pushed under the door).

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 06:08 AM

Forging posts from me, eh? Your righteousness has really slipped now.

Are you still scratching around to try a find the 'crime' to match what I have already been publicly hounded, judged, convicted and sentenced for?


I obviously didn't need to, did I? It was your response to a remark of mine that you would post as me. I didn't twist your arm to make you suggest it. Take some responsibility for your suggestion won't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 05:29 AM

One man's abuse is another man's sensible editing!

To protect posters from this - is why criteria is introduced.

It also protects the one's imposing the editing from accusations that their actions may be personally motivated.

But not if the so-called criteria is seen to be simply and repeatedly ignored - as is clearly and sadly the case here over many years.