BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 05:23 AM

Forging posts from me, eh? Your righteousness has really slipped now.

Are you still scratching around to try a find the 'crime' to match what I have already been publicly hounded, judged, convicted and sentenced for?

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Is it really too much to expect those who 'moderate' our forum and those few who noisily post to support them - to accept the reality?

Whether you accept or not, the current Chief of the Editing Team's assessment or the suggested cure for what he finds wanting - expressed in the following - there is little point in pretending that our forum is anything other than it really is.

And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion. So, I think something has to be done. Ebbie's suggestion about putting Secret Santa in the music section is a very simple answer to one major objection I had to members-only BS posting - duh, why didn't I think of that?

But the pretence continues.

Some poster's loyaly support the best efforts of our 'moderators' - when they have no way of knowing what the true nature and current level of imposed censorship and 'silent deletion' really is. And despite the fact that the Chief proponent of these 'best efforts' no longer sees them as effective without further restrictions being imposed and a radical change made to the open posting policy that has always been the case on our forum.

The so-called criteria for this censorship is seen to be ignored at the same time that worthless assurances like the following are given.

No, nothing you've posted has been deleted. It takes quite a bit to warrant deletion - direct attacks on people, racism, stalking, or frequent multiple posts of the same messages.
-Joe Offer-

For it is clear from the evidence in this thread - that the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team would have no idea if this poster's contribution had been 'silently deleted' along with all the other posts, when an entire thread is wrongly deleted by some anonymous 'moderator' using criteria of their own.

Such assurances are well-intended but simply repeating such assurances when time after time the evidence shows them to be worthless, is as damaging to our forum as being seen to impose special posting restrictions on individuals who post simply to try to point this out, And who continue to do this in the hope that it will finally be addressed.

If our 'moderators' do not wish me to keep posting to point out where entire threads and all their posts have been wrongly 'siletly deleted' - then please address how prevent it from happening..................

Rather than being seen to using their 'best efforts' only to try and prevent me from pointing it out and trying to get our forum to openly discuss it.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 05:00 AM

One man's abuse is another man's sensible editing!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 02:20 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Big Mick - PM
Date: 22 Sep 06 - 04:14 PM

I agree that if one uses personal attacks on Shambles, they will be eliminated. If they are responding to him, silly though I believe that to be, that will be allowed.

What ever this criteria is supposed to be - it does not appear (from the previous post) to be these posts (or their posters) that are eliminated as our forum is assured - as long as such posts are from certain favoured posters and are seen to be attacking certain easy targets. Or even from the 'moderator' himself - who is explaining this criteria to our forum.

But entire threads with all of their posts are eliminated.

Do you remember also posting to this recent one Wolfgang - or did I dream it?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:46 PM

"It is perhaps our call to bring attention to when such instances of abuse occur - without being subject to special posting restrictions for trying to make these attempts?"

Then send Max a PM Dumbass. Scared? Sure you are Shamby. Max might even respond and tell you to go fuck yourself! You're really diving deep into the crazy hole anymore. Is this just for our benefit or are you doing this shit with friends around town and acting this wacky in your own home? If so, you can't be too far from some serious talks with some nice people who will give you a padded room.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 07:07 PM

There were many more creatures on the farm now, though the increase was not so great as had been expected in earlier years. Many animals had been born to whom the Rebellion was only a dim tradition, passed on by word of mouth, and others had been bought who had never heard mention of such a thing before their arrival.

The farm possessed three horses now besides Clover. They were fine upstanding beasts, willing workers and good comrades, but very stupid. None of them proved able to learn the alphabet beyond the letter B. They accepted everything that they were told about the Rebellion and the principles of Animalism, especially from Clover, for whom they had an almost filial respect; but it was doubtful whether they understood very much of it.

From Animal Farm by George Orwell.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 06:37 PM

It's not our call Roger, any more than it is yours, it's up to Max and his Gnomes as to what changes are made if any.
Giok

It is perhaps our call to bring attention to when such instances of abuse occur - without being subject to special posting restrictions for trying to make these attempts?

Without any changes announced to address a constantly repeated problem of controlling the actions of some of our anonymous 'moderators' - perhaps our forum should not be given empty assurances like these?

No, nothing you've posted has been deleted. It takes quite a bit to warrant deletion - direct attacks on people, racism, stalking, or frequent multiple posts of the same messages.
-Joe Offer-

And references to so-called criteria that some of our anonymous 'moderators' are seen to openly ignore.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 05:49 PM

It's not our call Roger, any more than it is yours, it's up to Max and his Gnomes as to what changes are made if any.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 05:45 PM

You're not honest with yourself and with us, Shambles. Your tiredness coincided exactly with your use of the term "snitcher's corner" for the help forum.

This thread will show that this acusation is not correct and that this 'tiredness' goes way back.

Guest Postings

Sadly that thread also shows that anonymous people wrongly imposing editing action for which the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team needs to reverse - also goes way back.

And still no measures are announced to prevent it happening again.

Any suggestions?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:13 PM

"Thanks Paul - I will put your name in the box instead. "

Forging posts from me, eh? Your righteousness has really slipped now.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: MMario
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:40 PM

No.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:38 PM

Shambles - there is no "wrongly deleted".

MMario - Perhaps you would accept that doing anything that does not meet the criteria required - is wrong?

And that preventing this abuse - is the point of having criteria.

I suggest you take this one up with whoever it was that informed our forum that the closure (of both threads) did not meet the required criteria for 'silent deletion' and who overuled this decision (as wrong) and who later restored/combined them?

And who expected to be shown gratitude for putting right these instances of two entire threads being wrongly silently deleted by persons unknown. But who has yet to comment on the latest vanishing thread. Perhaps the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team is trying to establish who was responsible for this latest one?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: MMario
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:37 PM

Shambles - there is no "wrongly deleted". The owner of the site reserves the right to delete, edit, change, move, etc any posting. His appointed proxies may do the same. That's fact.

Max has said he will not discuss such issues except in private communication - ie: off the forum. so if there is something done that you don't like - you have to take it up with him. So far, it appears you refuse to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:36 PM

Shambels you are really only adding fuel to the fire.

"Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell."

According to Max "Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can." That's about you leaving.

Keep annoying people. Soon none of us will be annoyed by you anymore. Bye bye. Fare thee well. Ta ta,see you around.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:23 PM

After posting there for a while you just tire of putting your name in. (Shambles)

You're not honest with yourself and with us, Shambles. Your tiredness coincided exactly with your use of the term "snitcher's corner" for the help forum. That's why. Perhaps you could just once be honest about your motives for a certain move. That would be a very welcome change from your usual behaviour.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 12:50 PM

Did I dream posting to a thread called something like 'Welcome Guests'?

If I did - I dreamed that Wolfgang posted to it also.

For this entire thread and all of its posts now seem to have vanished without trace..............

Is this yet another case of 'silent deletion' by persons unknown and for reasons unknown?

Or is it a software glitch or is this also due to the upgrade?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 12:36 PM

But suddenly the dogs sitting round Napoleon let out deep, menacing growls, and the pigs fell silent and sat down again. Then the sheep broke out into a tremendous bleating of "Four legs good, two legs bad!" which went on for nearly a quarter of an hour and put an end to any chance of discussion.

Afterwards Squealer was sent round the farm to explain the new arrangement to the others.

"Comrades," he said, "I trust that every animal here appreciates the sacrifice that Comrade Napoleon has made in taking this extra labour upon himself. Do not imagine, comrades, that leadership is a pleasure! On the contrary, it is a deep and heavy responsibility.

No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be? Suppose you had decided to follow Snowball, with his moonshine of windmills-Snowball, who, as we now know, was no better than a criminal?"

From Animal Farm by George Orwell.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 12:09 PM

There's a solution for that.

Thanks Paul - I will put your name in the box instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 10:02 AM

"After posting there for a while you just tire of putting your name in"

There's a solution for that.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:19 AM

When a thread likes this gets almost 1600 posts and you keep repeating yourself more then a person who has eaten an entire pot of baked beans does then it proves that the BS sectio is trash. A section is what we make it. We've all mad this section totally laughable. It definitiely qualifies as trash in my book. And you, Shambles, are the biggest garbage man,

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:10 AM

Perhaps the logic of relegating a music thread to the BS because the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team judges its contents to be 'trash' - can be explained?

Its contents may well judged to be 'trash' - but it remains a music thread - even if it is a music thread containing 'trash'. If that is what posters on the music section have posted to it - that IS what they have chosen to post to it and this should be accepted - rather than value judged by our 'moderators'.

Its relgation to the BS will not make the existing 'trash' go away - only ensure that anyone 'googling' on either Kate Rusby's or John McCusker's names will now be more likely to find even more non-music related comments in this thread.

Our forum does not have a music section and a 'trash' section. But the relegation of threads that the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team judges to be 'trash' to the BS section - rather implies that he does judge the BS section to be 'trash'?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:34 AM

Hard to miss his garbled syntax and convoluted logic isn't it Wolfgang?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:34 AM

Why do you post anonymously there, Shambles?

Why do you ask?

Do you really think that I can post anonymously?

I know who I am.

And being anonymous there or on our forum is not a problem - is it? It does appear to be in this post for the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team.

I am a member of our forum - when I post here - I do not have to keep on putting my name to my posts - this is done automatically. So why cannot this be the case on snitchers corner? After posting there for a while you just tire of putting your name in.

After posting there for a while you can also tire of living................

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:01 AM

Yet another gem - not to be missed - from the Mudcat Help and Trouble Forum

I agree, for I laughed a lot about you when reading it.
Why do you post anonymously there, Shambles?
Just not to be seen in the open bitching in the "snitcher's corner?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 07:39 AM

Yet another gem - not to be missed - from the Mudcat Help and Trouble Forum.

http://help.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=3396&messages=22

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 07:49 PM

The following thread Shambles & birthdays, why?   has now been closed.

With the following editing comment inserted into the following post.

Subject: RE: Shambles & Birthdays, Why?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko - PM
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 04:30 PM

Keep posting them Shambles. They are fun. I always like to be reminded of anniversaries and birthdays. I have a "day in history" feature on my blogsite - www.ronolesko.blogspot.com , and I also have gathered birthday information from many of the artists whose music I play on the radio. I think a commemoration once a year is worth a mention and a rememberance.

I also feel the obit threads are important. As Lee Hays would say, I like to check them to make sure that I am not in them!

This thread should never have been started. In general, we do not allow threads that attack other Mudcatters. UIt might have been appropriate to question the proliferation of birthday threads in a birthday thread, but starting a new thread to directly challenge Shambles has the tone of a personal attack. As a rule, I close or delete all threads directed at our usual trolls. Therefore, I'm closing this one.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: bobad
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 07:48 PM

Mental health hotline

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 07:22 PM

Animal Farm (1945) - satirical allegory of the Russian Revolution, particularly directed against Stalin's Russia.

Led by the pigs, the Animals on Mr Jones's farm revolt against their human masters. After their victory they decide to run the farm themselves on egalitarian principles. Inspired by the example of Boxer, the hard-working horse, the cooperation prosper. The pigs become corrupted by power and a new tyranny is established under Napoleon (Stalin). 'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.'

Snowball (Trotsky), an idealist, is driven out.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 02:13 PM

You'll be back Ron. You can't escape. That's why everyone else posts. I give you 3 days at the most.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 01:06 PM

I've stopped posting to this thread, but I've been observing. I hope others might try it and learn some of the things that I have by simply watching. No one wins, no one is right.   

I think we will be out of Iraq before this thread ends.

Have fun! I'm outta here, again.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 01:04 PM

"It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt"

- Mark Twain

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 12:56 PM

From: Blowzabella - PM
Date: 03 Nov 06 - 07:26 PM

If I were your mother, I would knock all of your heads together! You all need to take a long hard look at yourselves and imagine what this thread looks like to someone viewing the site for the first time. This is probably the one that attracts you to look at - Does it look as if this site is populated by intersting people who want to talk about music???


Possibly not - if they were viewing the non-music related section.

But our forum will look as it looks – why the idea that some sort of pretence should be made that is something other than what it plainly is?

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The following from Animal Farm by George Orwell.
It was vitally necessary to conceal this fact from the outside world. Emboldened by the collapse of the windmill, the human beings were inventing fresh lies about Animal Farm. Once again it was being put about that all the animals were dying of famine and disease, and that they were continually fighting among themselves and had resorted to cannibalism and infanticide. Napoleon was well aware of the bad results that might follow if the real facts of the food situation were known, and he decided to make use of Mr. Whymper to spread a contrary impression.

Hitherto the animals had had little or no contact with Whymper on his weekly visits: now, however, a few selected animals, mostly sheep, were instructed to remark casually in his hearing that rations had been increased. In addition, Napoleon ordered the almost empty bins in the store-shed to be filled nearly to the brim with sand, which was then covered up with what remained of the grain and meal. On some suitable pretext Whymper was led through the store-shed and allowed to catch a glimpse of the bins. He was deceived, and continued to report to the outside world that there was no food shortage on Animal Farm.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 11:51 AM

Shambles, sometimes a deletion is not as silent as you think.

Far from being owed an apology by Joe or the Clones (the Shambles 6:40 AM), I apologized to Joe. With good reason. I had exploded at 'Guest' (also with good reason, but I went beyond the bounds) and some people complained.

For the record, in my opinion, Joe Offer and the Clones do a good and essential job.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,the ghost of Vladimir Ulyanov
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 10:58 AM

Happy Birthday Leon.

You were always the smart one Leon. Joe could never understand you. I sometimes think you should have kept your mouth shut, somewhat. Played the game. Who knows, you could have defected to the U.S. and got a cushy tenure at Berkley.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wesley S
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 10:34 AM

Guest. Take a break. Go have a cup of coffee. Or tea. Play your guitar, fiddle, banjo or whatever. It's just not that important. Take a deep breath and exhale slowly. It's OK. Really.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 09:56 AM

You've got balls of brass to have the nerve to compare yourself to Animal Farm. What a stupid analogy. Wake up - you are not that important.

Do you also have nail holes in your palms??

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 04:57 AM

Leon Trotsky was born this day (7th November) in 1879.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 04:38 AM

Suddenly, early in the spring, an alarming thing was discovered. Snowball was secretly frequenting the farm by night! The animals were so disturbed that they could hardly sleep in their stalls. Every night, it was said, he came creeping in under cover of darkness and performed all kinds of mischief. He stole the corn, he upset the milk-pails, he broke the eggs, he trampled the seedbeds, he gnawed the bark off the fruit trees. Whenever anything went wrong it became usual to attribute it to Snowball. If a window was broken or a drain was blocked up, someone was certain to say that Snowball had come in the night and done it, and when the key of the store-shed was lost, the whole farm was convinced that Snowball had thrown it down the well. Curiously enough, they went on believing this even after the mislaid key was found under a sack of meal. The cows declared unanimously that Snowball crept into their stalls and milked them in their sleep. The rats, which had been troublesome that winter, were also said to be in league with Snowball.

Napoleon decreed that there should be a full investigation into Snowball's activities. With his dogs in attendance he set out and made a careful tour of inspection of the farm buildings, the other animals following at a respectful distance. At every few steps Napoleon stopped and snuffed the ground for traces of Snowball's footsteps, which, he said, he could detect by the smell. He snuffed in every corner, in the barn, in the cow-shed, in the henhouses, in the vegetable garden, and found traces of Snowball almost everywhere. He would put his snout to the ground, give several deep sniffs, ad exclaim in a terrible voice, "Snowball! He has been here! I can smell him distinctly!" and at the word "Snowball" all the dogs let out blood-curdling growls and showed their side teeth.

From Animal Farm by George Orwell.
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Shambles & birthdays, why?
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 01:42 PM

The birthday threads are obviously intended to be obnoxious, but the nice thing about them is that we can add actual music information to them and reverse the obnoxiousness.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 09:27 AM

For even if the charge of repetition was a valid one - is it really the worst thing on our forum

YES!


and would it really justify all the fuss encouraged to be made against and for posting restrictions to be imposed on one individual poster only for this so-called 'abuse?

YES!!

Do you also agree with the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team and judge that 'Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to goof off' or have a discussion and do you also agree with the proposed solution?

YES, BECAUSE OF YOU SHAMBLES! HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES ARE YOU GOING TO ASK THAT QUESTION AND NOT LISTEN TO OUR ANSWER?

NO ONE IS OWED ANY APOLOGY. YOU ARE A CRANK AND EVERYONE WHO IS POSTING TO THIS THREAD IS JUST AS NUTS AS YOU ARE. YOU ALL NEED HELP.

STOP POSTING AND WATCH SHAMBLES SELF-DESTRUCT. HIS DAY IS COMING.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:40 AM

The goal is elimination
Of all duplication
Can't you get this into your brain?
I'll make sure that you will
Finally swallow this pill
As I will say it again and again

No, nothing you've posted has been deleted. It takes quite a bit to warrant deletion - direct attacks on people, racism, stalking, or frequent multiple posts of the same messages.
-Joe Offer-

Perhaps the following posters can be given an apology - for their posts were seen to be wrongly 'silently deleted' before the above assurance was given to our forum?

John 'Giok' MacKenzie
The Villan
number 6
GUEST,Jon
skipy
Divis Sweeney

And to the following - for their posts were seen to be wrongly 'silently deleted' after the above assurance was given to our forum?

Georgiansilver
number 6
Little Hawk
John 'Giok' MacKenzie
bobad
jacqui.c
Ebbie
MMario
Liz the Squeak -

And me.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:26 AM

"Which would lead me to believe that it is what is who said and who may be (trying) saying that is now the real issue on our forum - rather than how many times it is said. "

Try it and see.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:24 AM

You can express your views on any thread you like Roger, just not the same view in every thread!
Giok

No - as this restriction does not apply to you and is only seen to apply to me - it is obvious that it is what is said and who may be (trying) saying that is now the real issue on our forum - rather than how many times it is said.

For you and certain other favoured posters are also free and encouraged to post only abusive personal jugements in any thread and to be seen to do this in an open attempt to try to prevent other posters from posting and drive them off of our forum. Like the following example demonstrtes:

I shall not sit around silent while some little obsessed wimp in Weymouth or thereabouts conducts a campaign of hatred against people who do a difficult job.
I am not one of your mealy mouthed, wishy washy, sit on the fence liberals, who goes out of their way to make excuses for axe murderers and the like. I call it like I see it, and I am as determined to stop Shambles as he is to stop Joe doing his job.
Yes I have a problem, I have a problem with people like Shambles being allowed to spoil this site for other people, for his being allowed to post his repetitive rubbish in thread after thread, in other words, I want him OUT.

There now, I bet that came as a total surprise to you guest!

Giok

And that despite (or because) of the following:

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Big Mick - PM
Date: 22 Sep 06 - 04:14 PM

I agree that if one uses personal attacks on Shambles, they will be eliminated. If they are responding to him, silly though I believe that to be, that will be allowed.
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Do you also support anonymous 'moderators' being seen to repeatedly 'silently delete' entire threads and all their posts from our forum - when the (so -called) critera is seen not to be met?

If you did - I suspect that you would not only be free to post this view in every thread - you would be encouraged to do so. Do do you agree and support this?

Do you also agree with the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team and judge that 'Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to goof off' or have a discussion and do you also agree with the proposed solution?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:23 AM

You're great at repeating yourself but not too good at answering questions, so again:

That statement by Max was made in the early days of Mudcat when it was much smaller like seven years ago!!! Here is a far more recent statement May 30, 2006) from the owner.



"Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell."



And then Shamby Pamby, only a few weeks ago Max was asked:"Please do something to control Shambles' constant babbling. It sure would be appreciated by a lot of people." His reply:



"Our priority number 2 is to beef up the back end security of the site so that we can confront such issues. I cannot currently effectively enforce a ban on the savy. It would be too easy for them to find a workaround and get back in, now angry. Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can."



You know all that Shambolina and still you persist. Do you ever write Max? Soon your ass will be gone if don't cease and desist slamming Max as you do. Stop now........Just a good piece of advice.
What about it Sham??????



Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 05:49 AM

You can express your views on any thread you like Roger, just not the same view in every thread!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 04:49 AM

Agreed, Roger, I would support your right to express your view on every subject on this forum - once.

Beyond that it is abuse of a right.

I think that you may have posted that before?

But unlike me, you are still welcome to express your view on our forum in any thread you wish, as many times as you wish and using as many different names as you wish.

You would also be welcome to post to the effect of what a wondeful job our 'moderators' are doing - in any thread you wish, as many times as you wish and using as many different names as you wish.

Which would lead me to believe that it is what is who said and who may be (trying) saying that is now the real issue on our forum - rather than how many times it is said.

And that this concern that is an entirly bogus one. For even if the charge of repetition was a valid one - is it really the worst thing on our forum and would it really justify all the fuss encouraged to be made against and for posting restrictions to be imposed on one individual poster only for this so-called 'abuse?   

For no one is being forced to read or even open a thread - are they? And all posters can quite easily be encouraged to ignore anything that is not to their taste or which they may have read before.

Do you also consider it an abuse of a right for anonymous 'moderators' to be seen to repeatedly 'silently delete' entire threads and all their posts from our forum - when the (so -called) critera is seen not to be met?

Do you think that some steps should be seen to be taken to address this when it happens and in order to prevent this abuse from happening again?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 02:24 AM

Agreed, Roger, I would support your right to express your view on every subject on this forum - once.

Beyond that it is abuse of a right.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 02:13 AM

Some posters judge everything they say to be imposrtant - they are usually the same ones who post here judge that that what others may wish to say is not important (or is obnoxious or incoherent etc) - and can safely be restricted or prevented.

Is having other views present on our forum - but a small price to be willingly paid for the right to have your views present?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 04:21 PM

Keep contributing to it McGrath when you have nothing important to say.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 03:48 PM

This has to be the Father of all BS threads...

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 03:38 PM

The majority makes the rules. It's impossible to do what every single member asks for because they ask for different things. How can you satisfy those who want membership and those who oppose membership? You have to do what the majority asks for. You are the only one complaining about all of these things. Max is doing what makes the majority satisfied. The Mudcat doesn't exist just for Shambles.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 02:29 PM

That statement by Max was made in the early days of Mudcat when it was much smaller like seven years ago!!! Here is a far more recent statement May 30, 2006) from the owner.

"Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell."

And then Shamby Pamby, only a few weeks ago Max was asked:"Please do something to control Shambles' constant babbling. It sure would be appreciated by a lot of people." His reply:

"Our priority number 2 is to beef up the back end security of the site so that we can confront such issues. I cannot currently effectively enforce a ban on the savy. It would be too easy for them to find a workaround and get back in, now angry. Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can."

You know all that Shambolina and still you persist. Do you ever write Max? Soon your ass will be gone if don't cease and desist slamming Max as you do. Stop now........Just a good piece of advice.


Spaw