BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 12:53 PM

Sorry Ron - I see very little logic in what you say.

Change is constant and necessary.   Some of us accept change and welcome it. Others rebel at the mere thought. There will always be someone who gripes over what they have no possibility of changing.

Shambles, you left out a third option.   Enjoy it the way it is. Everything is not simply a yes or no, black or white, Ayn Rand run world.

What is it to be? Change or the status quo or are you supporting both?

Ron - I like the way things are. I do not complain about there being any lack of peace. Nor do I wish or suggest a change to a music only forum (as you do). When the public are invited to our forum by Max to discuss anything - there is bound to be some excitement. That in inherrent in the whole concept. All that is required is being seen to be able agree to disagree. that is as good as it gets - and our forum still currently has this. Just........

My problem is with those who take on the role of 'moderators' in the full knowledge that this is their remit but do not really in their hearts endorse it. Who constantly complain publicly about everything and encourage personal judgements to be posted about other named posters. And who then publicly post that:

And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion. So, I think something has to be done. Ebbie's suggestion about putting Secret Santa in the music section is a very simple answer to one major objection I had to members-only BS posting - duh, why didn't I think of that?

So, short of members-only posting, what can we do to bring peace to this place? I'd rather have another solution, but I haven't been able to think of one.
-Joe Offer-

Our forum remains a very pleasant place to hang-out and it is pretty obviously still a place to goof off or have a good discussion. It would be even better if those very few posters who publicly post to a differently effect - were to form the members only site that they already treat our forum as and leave the rest of us in peace.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 12:17 PM

I do follow my logic. I do accept Mudcat for what is is. I do post messages here because I had thought there was some dialogue and discussion. I am not attacking you and I am sorry if you perceive it. I am responding to your points.

Clearly I do understand that this issue will not disappear.   I am really not adding anything to this discussion.   You will see, think and act the way you choose.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 12:14 PM

You don't get it - you keep looking at situations with only two options.

Perhaps because you show no signs of following your own third option?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 11:59 AM

Yes, I know your "advice" was directed at me. As I pointed out, you only offered two suggestions. There are other alternatives, which was the point I was trying to make.

You don't get it - you keep looking at situations with only two options.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 11:54 AM

"If you don't like a site with rambling discourses on how the site should be run - then find another or take this up with Max. That is way our forum has always been encouraged to work - at least by Max."

Ron - the above was specific advice to you. For it was you who said:

My suggestion on how we can bring peace to this place - more frequent deletions of posts like mine and others on this thread. Drop the BS and keep it a site based on folk music.   Mudcat has become an excuse for people to state their opinions on ANYTHING. This is not the corner bar. When the site operated more as a music site, there was more joy to be found.   Rambling discourses on how the site should be run should be trashed.   I would have no problem seeing this thread closed, or my own statements deleted.   The owners of this site have the perogative to do that.   The fact that they have not shows how open they actually are.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 11:50 AM

"If you don't like a site with rambling discourses on how the site should be run - then find another or take this up with Max. That is way our forum has always been encouraged to work - at least by Max."

Shambles, you left out a third option.   Enjoy it the way it is. Everything is not simply a yes or no, black or white, Ayn Rand run world.

My worth is questioned, your worth is questioned, everyones worth is questioned. Life goes on. If you feel that you are being bullied, well I am sorry for you. We make our own beds.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 11:40 AM

Ron, I am the guest with whom you had the run-in. I agree with you 100%. You are a good man, Charlie Brown. Pax.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 11:38 AM

My suggestion on how we can bring peace to this place - more frequent deletions of posts like mine and others on this thread. Drop the BS and keep it a site based on folk music.   Mudcat has become an excuse for people to state their opinions on ANYTHING. This is not the corner bar. When the site operated more as a music site, there was more joy to be found.   Rambling discourses on how the site should be run should be trashed.   I would have no problem seeing this thread closed, or my own statements deleted.   The owners of this site have the perogative to do that.   The fact that they have not shows how open they actually are.

The owners of this site had a number of choices available to them - as our forum became more popular. But its main aim was to become more popular and encourage the public's contributions. They could have chosen a strict - keep on topic - take it or leave approach but that was not the choice made. The choice made was a brave one and it was not to (try to) limit discussion to music.

If you don't like a site with rambling discourses on how the site should be run - then find another or take this up with Max. That is way our forum has always been encouraged to work - at least by Max.

The problem is that rather than being encouraged to tolerate different views poster are now encouraged to publicly pass their personal judgements upon the worth of fellow posters and feel that all but the like-minded can now be bullied away.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 11:14 AM

Forgive me if I am wrong Shambles, but I am not reading any admission to failure in that statement from Joe, nor have I seen any from Max - who is the ultimate voice. What you have posted is Joe's description of what has happened as Mudcat has evolved and a comment that their "best efforts" have not made improvement to bring peace. That is far from an "admission of failure".

Change is constant and necessary.   Some of us accept change and welcome it. Others rebel at the mere thought. There will always be someone who gripes over what they have no possibility of changing.

My suggestion on how we can bring peace to this place - more frequent deletions of posts like mine and others on this thread. Drop the BS and keep it a site based on folk music.   Mudcat has become an excuse for people to state their opinions on ANYTHING. This is not the corner bar. When the site operated more as a music site, there was more joy to be found.   Rambling discourses on how the site should be run should be trashed.   I would have no problem seeing this thread closed, or my own statements deleted.   The owners of this site have the perogative to do that.   The fact that they have not shows how open they actually are.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 10:33 AM

Thanks Shambles, you proved my point "A" - they never admitted to failure.

And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion. So, I think something has to be done. Ebbie's suggestion about putting Secret Santa in the music section is a very simple answer to one major objection I had to members-only BS posting - duh, why didn't I think of that?

So, short of members-only posting, what can we do to bring peace to this place? I'd rather have another solution, but I haven't been able to think of one.
-Joe Offer-

I know that there are no bullet points being used here but even you should be able to understand.

Are you asking our forum to accept that the words And despite our best efforts, AND what can we do to bring peace to this place? I'd rather have another solution, but I haven't been able to think of one. - are actually words claiming success of these measures?

Perhaps in an attempt to be more positive - you could make a stab at answering the question posed by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team?

So, short of members-only posting, what can we do to bring peace to this place?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: bobad
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 10:26 AM

Help is available, don't despair.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 10:21 AM

I am a "usual suspect" as well since I keep posting too. I am way too predictable and deluded just like the rest of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: bobad
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 10:06 AM

"Major Strasser has been shot. Round up the usual suspects."

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 10:01 AM

Look at the posters on this thread. The same predictable ten or so. Are they so deluded they think they are the majority? Yep they sure are.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 09:17 AM

Thanks Shambles, you proved my point "A" - they never admitted to failure.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 06:26 AM

Whatever side of the road the majority of the people are on, there is one person you can be absolutely certain, who will be on the other side.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 06:25 AM

Oh and shambles, I've been trying to express some of your logic in simple computer terms. Here are a couple.

if X <> 2
   print "X could be any number"

if ThreadIsMoved = true
    print "The mods are wrong"
else
    print "The mods are wrong"

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 06:08 AM

Morning shambles. Perhaps the "incident" with the policeman took place after a football match and the person crossing was the referree who had tried to change the game into the game of rugby and the policeman had been playing for the other side and was unhappy at being sent off?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 05:14 AM

Subject: RE: Tech: Longer thread titles please?
From: GUEST,Jon - PM
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 10:01 AM

In wanting to prevent the mods from assisting (as they currently do) by using the extra characters (which he agrees are useful) until he can use them too. He only wants that to happen to score a little point over them...

The word assistance can be used for example: if a policeman established where a shopper wished to go then helped them cross a road to enable them to get to their destination.

It would not be a suitable word if the policeman did not speak to them and just decided push them across the road because they judged that the shopper would look better on that side.

There are other words for this.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 02:26 AM

Tech Problem with thread titles after being refreshed and then relgated to the BS section has now been closed.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 02:09 AM

"And why then publicly inform our forum that these best efforts have failed and that the only way to impose the 'peace' you require - is to exclude the free and open access for the public contributions that has made our form what it is?"

a. I don't think they ever actually said that. Your cut and pastes have never shown that was what they said.

That is your opinion to which, unlike me, you are entitled to express in any thread on our forum. Others can judge from the actual words and perhaps explain why posters support what they assume to be the status quo - when it is obviously nothing of the sort.

For the record, I have already asked Max to make Members-Only posting in the "BS" section, and I think membership should be granted only to those with verifiable e-mail addresses (you register, and then get a password sent back to you). So far, Max hasn't said anything about being ready to make the change
Joe Offer

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For a long time, I opposed members-only posting, because I didn't want to scare away visitors or make Mudcat a closed, exclusive club. And yes, we have a lot of that exclusivity already - I feel like an outsider myself when I go into the "BS" section. But our nastiness has been too much, and it has gone on far too long, to the point where it's impossible to carry on an intelligent discussion on most non-music subjects nowadays. I have three Mudcatters on 100% review much of the time, and I have to do partial review on a number of others, and then I have to deal with all sorts of petty complaints about so-and-so saying this or that - and I deny about half the deletion requests I get, and undelete a fair number of messages deleted by JoeClones.

And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion. So, I think something has to be done. Ebbie's suggestion about putting Secret Santa in the music section is a very simple answer to one major objection I had to members-only BS posting - duh, why didn't I think of that?

So, short of members-only posting, what can we do to bring peace to this place? I'd rather have another solution, but I haven't been able to think of one.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: jeffp
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 09:45 PM

So many people with so little to do on a lovely Sunday.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 07:28 PM

Oh.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 07:26 PM

We can all just carry on without him

No. We need shambles for the entertainment.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:54 PM

Ol' Shambles may never come back to this thread. We can all just carry on without him. Shambles, come home. We, well, I MISS YOU!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:50 PM

THE GRAY GOOSE

Well, las' Monday mornin',
Lawd, Lawd, Lawd,
Well, las' Monday mornin',
Lawd, Lawd, Lawd.

My daddy went a-huntin'.

Well, he carried along his zulu.

Well, along come a grey goose.

Well, he throwed it to his shoulder,

An' he ram his hammer' way back.

Well, he pulled on de trigger.

Well, down he come a-windin'.

He was six weeks a-fallin'.

He was six weeks a-findin'.

An' he put him on de wagon,

An'he taken him to de white house.

He was six weeks a-pickin'.

Lordy, your wife an'my wife,

Oh, dey give a feather pickin'.

An' dey put him on to parboil.

He was six months a-parboil',

An' dey put him on de table,

Now, de fork couldn' stick him,

An' de knife couldn't cut him.

An' dey throwed him in de hog-pen,

An' he broke de ol'sow's jaw-bone.

An' dey taken him to de saw-mill,

An' he broke de saw's teeth out.

An' de las' time I seed him,

Well, he's flyin' across de ocean,

Wid a long string o' goslin's,

An' dey all goin': Quank Quink-Quank

http://www.lyricsdownload.com/leadbelly-the-grey-goose-lyrics.html

Also in the DigiTrad

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:34 PM

And to lighten the mood:

Fellow walks by a restaurant where the sign says

Lobster tail and pizza for $9.99

He says to his friend, "Wonderful. Three of my favorite things for under ten dollars."

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Emma B
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:33 PM

*****'s Favourite Mud Cake

Ingredients:
1 car - fuelled up and ready to go
car keys
1 purse
money
1 Cheesecake Shop

Method:

1. Place money in purse
2. Grab car keys and hop into car
3. Drive car to nearest Cheesecake Shop
4. Stop car, hop out and take purse with you into Cheesecake Shop
5. Ask lady for a Mud Cake
6. Open purse and hand over money
7. Take mud cake home and enjoy.

Her cooking skills may not be that good, but she makes GREAT lace!

Collected by Bert Christensen
Toronto, Ontario

web site: http://bertc.com

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Emma B
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:32 PM

ok - favourite recipe for mudcake for mudcatters everywhere

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:31 PM

Great Chieftain O' the Pudden Race.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



   * 1 sheep's lung (illegal in the U.S.; may be omitted if not available)
    * 1 sheep's stomach
    * 1 sheep heart
    * 1 sheep liver
    * 1/2 lb fresh suet (kidney leaf fat is preferred)
    * 3/4 cup oatmeal (the ground type, NOT the Quaker Oats type!)
    * 3 onions, finely chopped
    * 1 teaspoon salt
    * 1 teaspoon freshly ground pepper
    * 1/2 teaspoon cayenne
    * 1/2 teaspoon nutmeg
    * 3/4 cup stock

Wash lungs and stomach well, rub with salt and rinse. Remove membranes and excess fat. Soak in cold salted water for several hours. Turn stomach inside out for stuffing.

Cover heart and liver with cold water. Bring to a boil, reduce heat, cover and simmer for 30 minutes. Chop heart and coarsely grate liver. Toast oatmeal in a skillet on top of the stove, stirring frequently, until golden. Combine all ingredients and mix well. Loosely pack mixture into stomach, about two-thirds full. Remember, oatmeal expands in cooking.

Press any air out of stomach and truss securely. Put into boiling water to cover. Simmer for 3 hours, uncovered, adding more water as needed to maintain water level. Prick stomach several times with a sharp needle when it begins to swell; this keeps the bag from bursting. Place on a hot platter, removing trussing strings. Serve with a spoon. Ceremoniously served with "neeps, tatties and nips" -- mashed turnips, mashed potatoes, nips of whiskey.

Yummy !

G.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:31 PM

8 ounces lump crab meat
1/4 cup finely chopped celery
1/4 cup finely chopped onion
1/2 small clove garlic, finely minced, or dash garlic powder
1 tablespoon finely chopped red bell pepper
1 egg
2 tablespoons mayonnaise
1 teaspoon Worcestershire sauce
1 cup soft bread crumbs
1 1/2 teaspoons Creole seasoning
4 tablespoons butter


As you have surmised, that is a recipe for crab cake.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:26 PM

There was a lioness in this picture, but he scared her away.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:24 PM

Time for a recipe methinks
G☺☻

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:21 PM

I'm not. You are full of piffle.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:16 PM

I don't mind reading your replies.

Stop complaining about them then.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Emma B
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:14 PM

celebrated in folk song too

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:13 PM

Ain't THAT the truth. Cook at 350 degrees and they'll be done in four days and three hours, give or take.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Emma B
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:11 PM

Those are b****y big budgies!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:11 PM

I don't mind reading your replies. I just don't understand why you make those replies.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:09 PM

Tell it to the marines.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:07 PM

Because I don't like to see one person ganged up on by lots of others.

He is not being ganged up on. He keeps post wishing for replies. If you don't like the replies, tell shambles to shut up and then he will not get replies you don't like to read.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:04 PM

Yes, Emma! That's what I mean!!!! Shocking, isn't it? Note how they are wide-eyed in shock themselves, realizing that they have been caught by the camera engaging in an illicit act of avian adultery!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:04 PM

Because I don't like to see one person ganged up on by lots of others. It's cheap.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:01 PM

I enjoy Shambles writing. So, no, the same could not be said of me you presumptuous dink.

I said a similar question could be asked of you.

The similar question is "if you don't like what we are saying, why bother reading"? Why don't you take your own advice and ignore us?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Emma B
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 05:55 PM

stop this NOW

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 05:53 PM

If Shambles' posts bother you, don't read them.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 05:49 PM

Meanwhile, the slow descent of North American parakeets and budgies into moral depravity continues, and no one does anything about it!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 05:43 PM

I don't like guest. It's an idiot who disagrees with someone just because they can't stand him.

He's right about all of you. This keeps on happening because you deserve it.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 05:32 PM

oh, lovely! We've got the guests bickering and calling each other names! Trolls maybe worth something after all....at least for passing entertainment.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 05:05 PM

I like to read Shambles' posts. YHow many times you need to have that said to you?

You are the one who doesn't like his posts. Why do you add to it all if you don't like his posts? You so enraptured with the mission of 'talking sense' to Shambles that you can't go post philosophy on a thread where it will be appreciated? You guys love walls, because you argue with so many of them. Shambles has done you all one better. And many of you seem too myopic to grasp that as fact.