BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 04:57 PM

"If so many of you don't like what Shambles posts or says, why do you continue to read what he writes? Then post piffle--assuming piffle can be a noun or adjective instead of just an interjection--to what, get even with him? You folks try to portray yourselves as smarter than that, but few of you are coming across that way."

So why do you post if you do not care what we are saying?   Sounds hypocritical to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 04:48 PM

I enjoy Shambles writing. So, no, the same could not be said of me you presumptuous dink.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 04:42 PM

What I do not understand is this: If so many of you don't like what Shambles posts or says, why do you continue to read what he writes?

A similar question could be asked of you but, in any case, I like some of what shambles writes. It is unintentionally hilarious.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 04:37 PM

What I do not understand is this: If so many of you don't like what Shambles posts or says, why do you continue to read what he writes? Then post piffle--assuming piffle can be a noun or adjective instead of just an interjection--to what, get even with him? You folks try to portray yourselves as smarter than that, but few of you are coming across that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 04:29 PM

"And why then publicly inform our forum that these best efforts have failed and that the only way to impose the 'peace' you require - is to exclude the free and open access for the public contributions that has made our form what it is?"

a. I don't think they ever actually said that. Your cut and pastes have never shown that was what they said.

b. Even if they did say it, what is wrong with changing the rules? They own the "playing field" to use your errant analogy once again. If they do not care for the way their forum runs, they can make changes. They pay the bills (with help of course) and we are free to use the site if we wish.

c. If you don't like the rules, no one forces you to "play the game". It is obvious that it won't change, you won't get your way, so why keep kicking your feet and holding your breath?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 04:24 PM

The piffle skiffle, what's the diffle?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 04:15 PM

It isn't a game, the rules can be changed at any time.

Of course - and if you take no responsibilty for the resulting chaos and confusion you can do this as often and for as many illogical reasons as you can dream up. But why pretend to our forum that this is all being undertaken and can be justified in the name of supporting some concept of 'fairness and reasonable discussion?

And why then publicly inform our forum that these best efforts have failed and that the only way to impose the 'peace' you require - is to exclude the free and open access for the public contributions that has made our form what it is?

All this sillyness can be supported - but only if you forget what the object of an open discussion forum actually is and sell all this so-called 'moderation' as an object in itself - which has no purpose but to be served and to which everything else can safely be sacrificed?

It appears now as if many posters have forgotten what the object is.

You cannot enable and support free discussion by introducing and supporting selective and unfair measures and restrictions designed only to prevent it.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 04:08 PM

Shambles IS the pied piper of mudcat. They're biting good today.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 03:48 PM

thanks, Ron...I couldn't have said it better myself...

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 03:36 PM

It would be interesting to see shambles take up computer programming. I'd love to see what he would make of AND, OR, NOT, IF, ELSE, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 03:33 PM

"Many sporting activities are undertaken only for fun but even the most good-natured of these would swiftly degenerate into bad-tempered shouting matches if referees wished to participate as players."

Triple piffle. (Be careful not to step in it.)

Firt of all, the comparision makes no sense whatsoever. The situation that Shambles is creating does not happen in sports and Mudcat is not a sport. The arguement does not have any logic behind it and is a red herring.

Last but not least, no one has "give up on these rules" that Shambles alludes to. It isn't a game, the rules can be changed at any time.

IT IS NOT A GAME!! ILLOGICAL COMPARISON!!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 03:28 PM

"ahem": In the Mudcat, the 'referees' are by definition, part of the game. We are not on a field playing a game...we are not trying to win any prizes...'fair & equal' means something different when prizes are involved.

Double piffle.

Bill - It explains a lot - when you only judge that people 'get it' when they agree with what you say.

Most of the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team's deletions, and selective restriction - which you defend - are justified by him on the grounds that what he is trying to prevent is somehow 'unfair'.

Anything other than blind support and admiration for his efforts at imposing this 'fairness' is described by him as 'unfair'. Mainly because he sees them as well-intentioned. And so they are.

Many sporting activities are undertaken only for fun but even the most good-natured of these would swiftly degenerate into bad-tempered shouting matches if referees wished to participate as players. Perhaps you would accept that this would be thought as unfair?

The chief architect of all the counter-productive imposition and the main supporter of all the division amomg posters on our forum - has publicly admitted that these measures have failed to impose the peace he requires. So why are so many people still posting to support these measures as the status quo - when he has given up on these rules and wishes to impose a new set and play a different game? A game in which our non-members would be excluded.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 03:19 PM

The following thread has been relegated to the BS section of our forum and then closed by persons unknown and for reasons unknown - as there was no editing comment of explanation provided.

TECH Longer thread titles please

Partly because a fellow poster - having seen it - then decided for some reason to refresh this earlier one. (Shambles)

Nonsense, Shambles. If "for reasons unknown" in the first line is correct the use of "because" in the third line makes no sense. However, if you want to use the "because" in the third line you may not say "for reasons unknown" in the first line.

Make up your mind, think, and then try to post coherent thoughts.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 03:16 PM

Things turn out the best for people who make the best of the way things turn out.

John Wooden

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 02:38 PM

That's not funny! -;)

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 02:02 PM

Or in the case of government and military personnel: "You have the duty to remain silent (or else!)"

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 01:59 PM

"You have the right to remain silent"

Miranda warning.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 01:35 PM

Consider the rights of others before your own feelings, and the feelings of others before your own rights.

John Wooden

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 12:14 PM

I see I was right...he didn't get my point.

I don't suppose a long post explaining to Shambles where his 'sports' metaphors break down would help much..........

but, just to show that *I* know, here's a brief synopsis.

"ahem": In the Mudcat, the 'referees' are by definition, part of the game. We are not on a field playing a game...we are not trying to win any prizes...'fair & equal' means something different when prizes are involved.

that's enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 11:37 AM

Not so, Spaw. If the head kahuna had wanted to enforce that, Shambles' address would have been blocked.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 09:19 AM

I dunno' ShambyPamby..........Doesn't seem fair huh? You may be right. The League Owner/Head Referee/Big Kahuna himself gave you a Red Card and yet you're still playing.

Nope, you're right.........That ain't fair.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 08:19 AM

I shouldn't do this, but every now & then a slightly different point strike me.

If you really fell you shouldn't do something - you wouldn't do it. But just like I am trying to do - all you are doing is posting your views to a discussion forum set-up by Max for that purpose. Who do you feel you have to excuse yourself to for doing this? The baying mob?

I am not claiming that by this simple act you are: Attacking, Crowding-out, Abusing, Dominating, Violating, Hijacking or any of the emotive judgements that are encouraged to be made to describe the simple act of me posting my views to our forum.

But, they're NOT all equal. They start equal; that is, with equal privileges- just like citizens of a country. Then, if they do things that violate the standards (rules, laws, etc.), they 'may' be be treated as special cases and have some of those privileges restricted or revoked.

Piffle

Bill - although it may not work all that well in practice - you are lucky enough to live in country that is founded on the princple of equality.

When the behaviour of all is expected to follow whatever 'rules' are in place - then there can be some jusfication for imposing some sanctions upon those who are seen (and usually proved in court) to have broken those 'rules'.

Those who would feel qualified to impose their judgement upon me and other posters must be always seen to be acting impartially.

It is quite simple - if anyone is seen to indulge in and encourge by example the posting of abusive personal judgements and to be seen to ignore this when it is aimed at certain easy targets - their judgements will have no credibilty.

Bill - I suspect you will tell us that we can have a fair sporting contest of football when the referees are seen to not only to choose to partipate as players, but to send some players off for bad conduct, ignore others, and indulge themselves in this bad conduct? And who halfway through, then decide to change the rules in order to get all the participants to play rugby instead. And to do this with a bag over their heads in order to protect their identity?

All I have tried to do is to post and point out that you cannot keep on pretending that such a thing is a fair sporting contest.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 07:39 AM

The following thread has been relegated to the BS section of our forum and then closed by persons unknown and for reasons unknown - as there was no editing comment of explanation provided.

TECH Longer thread titles please

Partly because a fellow poster - having seen it - then decided for some reason to refresh this earlier one.

Tech Problems with thread titles

I may well have refreshed the earier thread had I not made what I thought was the safe assumption that it would have been closed by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team, along with all the others.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: JennyO
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 05:49 AM

The Piffle and the Pish-Tosh fought,
But neither was the winner.
The Ugly Stubble settled things
By having them for dinner.

from Beastly Rhymes
by Jack Hanrahan and Phil Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 12:09 AM

"well! It never needed to be revived for me...it was never dead. I have used piffle & balderdash as long as I can remember...but only when warrented. A sterling word, piffle! Encompassing myriads of etymological nuances within two innocuous syllables; elegantly explicating instances of gratuitous pomposity with one flourish of dismissive disdain!"

I had to see that post again. Bill, it's beautiful.

It also showed me that piffle doesn't rhyme with Tripoli.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 11:53 PM

"I like seeing my brilliant analyses in print!"

Ha! Wonderful statement, Bill. It is my belief that that might be the single most compelling reason driving most of us to post on this forum. That, and the fact that we just can't help ourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 11:41 PM

well! It never needed to be revived for me...it was never dead. I have used piffle & balderdash as long as I can remember...but only when warrented. A sterling word, piffle! Encompassing myriads of etymological nuances within two innocuous syllables; elegantly explicating instances of gratuitous pomposity with one flourish of dismissive disdain!

But, I do thank you, oh unnamed one, for finding such erudite explanations of the history of the ever so useful term!+

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 10:46 PM

PART DEUX

Walker's Dictionary of 1821, which sits on my own book shelf, doesn't include the word. But a 1936 collegiate dictionary at my disposal, suitably innocent of the corruption of our speech by the modern indignation over our insensitive language – (too many precise words like piffle in the dictionary, too few useless but shockingly profane words, both errors in our lexicon corrected since the 1960s) – defines piffle as: trifling talk or action; stuff and nonsense; noun or intransitive verb.

Gossip, then? Sensational reporting and celebrity-worship? Political speech and correctness? What annoyed E. B. White that he would revive the word, no doubt in order to use it?

Among my treasures I have "a card," apparently one of a mass mailing sent in 1864, not handwritten but printed at my ancestors' local print shop in Farmington, Maine. For printing in their newspaper "false and libelous statements and innuendoes" about him, the author succinctly, scathingly denounces, to one and all receiving the card, that the editors of the Farmington Chronicle are slanderers and liars. There, he said it. I'll never know whether the accused fought back, through the mail or in the courts. But the scoundrels sufficiently annoyed the card-writer to occasion an eloquent outburst.

I don't imagine that E. B. White, certainly being aware how genteel folks of the past used punishing words with such effect, himself intended to disseminate that sort of an accusation, for which he needed the perfect word, piffle. I suspect instead that, due to some annoyance, the word came to mind, and he wished only to encourage its use that people once again might know there was a word for it, might identify stuff and nonsense, pomposity, perhaps, or gossip and call it by name; that, by knowing the word, people might use it, and by using it, might effect a shift in our culture away from tolerance of so much trifling talk or action.

(Just as it is widely held in some cultures that to know someone's name is to have power over him, to know the name for trifling talk or action, stuff and nonsense is to have power over it. Who hasn't had a vague, subconscious sense about something of which he didn't become aware and over which gain control until he could put a word to the sensation?)

I wish E. B. White were here in order that we might remind him. I'd be fascinated to know where he intended to go with it. To his memory as the all-time supreme keeper of words, I humbly pledge to revive the word, piffle.


From the www.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 10:45 PM

Piffle

In One Man's Meat, E. B. White wrote the single line: "Remind me to discuss the necessity for reviving the word piffle."

I've found no further reference to the word in his writing. Perhaps we failed to remind him.

Because his words were always carefully chosen, we can trust that his request has much meaning. He wanted to discuss, not command. A distinct event must have triggered his thought, because a necessity is created when something has happened, not merely when someone ruminates. I suspect he wrote that line after he had endured so much piffle – among his acquaintances? in journalism? among politicians? – that he felt he must speak out.

Reviving a word suggests that it has no equal in our common discourse today. Why? Often a word goes out of use when it is presumed to offend. We no longer refer to a man as a scoundrel or describe a child as crippled. Bombast is now labeled debate-leading-to-compromise. It's now kinder to describe a liar as someone who is a little economical with the truth. Truth, which offends both as a word and by its very existence, has been sanitized and is now admitted into discourse only so long as it is understood to be subjective.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 10:40 PM

I shouldn't do this, but every now & then a slightly different point strike me.

"·... stop all this macho nonsense and be seen to treat all posters equally..."

But, they're NOT all equal. They start equal; that is, with equal privileges- just like citizens of a country. Then, if they do things that violate the standards (rules, laws, etc.), they 'may' be be treated as special cases and have some of those privileges restricted or revoked.

In a country or state, even if they don't break rules, they are not always treated 'equally', nor should they be...people with handicaps or special problems should receive extra help and understanding...etc.

This 'equality' thing is kinda of a slippery concept, Roger, and I have hinted at the point before. You post stuff that wears on the members & administrators alike, until you get someone to take a poke at you, then complain about the poke!
Equal treatment? You know my standard remark...you have even borrowed it...PIFFLE! If your posts go beyond general standards, your treatment "will not be seen to be equal".

Yep, I know, I have wasted my time, and I don't expect you to suddenly see the light...but, gee....I like seeing my brilliant analyses in print!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 08:25 PM

"I wish I had a bullet to use, I could rid the world of a real anal retentive twit called Shambles."

Dear Ennui 1st: Pardon me for saying, but you have used what is commonly called a comma splice in the above sentence. A comma splice joins two independent clauses with a comma when it should use either a semicolon or be split into two distinct sentences with a period. FYI.

Also, it's not nice of you to talk about killing people in that manner. If you don't mean it, it is just mouth. If you do, it is a felony. I have no idea what Shambles could have done to so enrage you, but it can't really be all that bad. If his posts piss you off so much, don't read them.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 08:04 PM

Shane: You speaking to me?
Chris Calloway: I don't see nobody else standing there.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 08:01 PM

Flip.

What is your rpoblem, Ron? Look, man, if you wanna, like, join my fan club...and it's a big one, eh?....if you do, well, you gotta do a coupla things, okay?

First, I need a 2-4 of Molson Canadian and some smokes. Send 'em by bus to Shane McBride in Blind River. I'll pick 'em up at the bus station.

Next, do the "I'm not worthy!" thing five times. This is: you get down on your knees and say, "I'm not worthy!" and wave yer hands in the air and bow down yer head to the ground and come back up again. Five times. This will show, like, that you mean what you say and you respect me proper, eh?

And get somebody to film it, and send me pictures.

If you do these things, I will consider comin' back, okay?

Good enough.

- Shane

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 07:57 PM

After 600 posts it's a little like watching a cross between "Groundhog Day" and a train wreck.You feel compelled to look at it over and over again to see if something different it going to happen this time.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 07:44 PM

Shane: Do you mind putting down that gun? Then I'll leave.
Joe Starrett: What difference does it make, you're leaving anyway?
Shane: I'd like it to be my idea.

Shane! Come back!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Grab
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 07:27 PM

Joe: I have three Mudcatters on 100% review much of the time

Shambles: It must be quite clear from the special restrictions imposed on my posting only by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team...

These two statements cannot both be true (emphasis mine to clarify)...

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: gnu
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 06:09 PM

What happens in Blind River, stays in Blind River... unless Shane finds out.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 05:52 PM

600!!!!!

Bananas and drinks all around.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 05:52 PM

Waht the FLIP! Whaddya mean, bullet points? I don't carry a flippin' gun, you bolthead! Guns are for cops and guys with really tiny little tools who think they can be big men by wavin' a gun in someone's face. Tehy don't flippin' fool me, eh? I know theer probliem. They can't get no sex anywhere cos of their tiny little tools. That is there problem. I dont' need no flippin' bulltet points to make my flippin' POINT. Got that, looser?

And know I am outta here. I mean it. This is my last flippin' post on this thread EVER. You are gettin' no more help from Shane. No way. If you don't like it, too flippin' BAD!~

- Shane

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 05:34 PM

LOL! Good one, Roger... (about using the bullet points)

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Ennui 1st
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 04:57 PM

I wish I had a bullet to use, I could rid the world of a real anal retentive twit called Shambles.

Over to you Guest/Bruce!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 04:07 PM

I got beter things to do, like watch the grass grow, sleep or go out to the pastuer and milk the flippin' bull, know'm sayin'?

No - can you use bullet points?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 03:54 PM

You oughta be so flippin' lucky, Ron! This is my last flippin' post on this useless flippin' thread, eh? I got beter things to do, like watch the grass grow, sleep or go out to the pastuer and milk the flippin' bull, know'm sayin'?

- Shane

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 03:25 PM

Shane! Come back!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 03:20 PM

You flipheads who keep comin' back on this endless FLIPPIN' thread oughta be put outta yer flippin' misery with a blunt objeck to the flippin' head, that's what I say! Flippin' SHUT THE FLIP UP!!! Jeezus. I ain't never seen nothin' stupider than this. Not even in the bars in Sudbury, eh? Not even in the joint! This is the flippin' END. This is the ultamate stu;pidity maxed out to the flippin' last flippin' degree POSSIBLE! If I was any of you what posted more than 10 times on this moron thread in the last month I would throw myself in front of a flippin' bus and end it all right NOW!

- Shane

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 12:09 PM

Posting as a guest etc

The above post has now been closed – with the following editing comment.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 10:38 AM

I respectfully request, as this threads originator, that it be completely deleted and not just closed.

Not too sure there is anything respectful about any poster requesting that the posts of others in a thread are all deleted.

I think the thread originator is correct in this case. The subject has been discussed, and now it's time to shut it down. Shambles, if you don't want threads like this to be shut down, don't take them over.
-Joe Offer-

If the thread's originator is judged to be corrected in requesting that the entire thread be deleted – perhaps it can be explained why the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team is only closing the thread?

I can only post my views.

I would like to add two more to the emotive list of terms that are used to judge the simple act of posting– taking-over and abusing.

All these terms really mean - is that someone does not agree with what you have posted.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 07:34 AM

Actually, the moderators are here to help primarily with technical problems, not to be babysitters or a police force. Most "offensive language" is ignored, and we expect Mudcatters to ignore minor squabbling.

Stick to the topic, Shambles. If you go off topic and post your usual repetitive propaganda, your message will be moved to the current Shambles garbage thread. As long as you actually discuss with people and address the issues they're talking about, your posts are likely to be left alone.
-Joe Offer-

After years of telling our forum that the object of our 'moderators' was to protect posters on our forum from abusive personal attacks - this and the use of offensive language - is now given the green light in an editing comment from the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team.

Mainly it appears because (some of) our 'moderators' wish to indulge in this along with certain favoured posters who have done little else but post only such things and have been encouraged to do so for years.

Now our forum is told that the main point of our 'moderators' and the focus of their efforts and resources will be focused on trying to prevent me (and me only) from committing the truly terrible Mudcat posting 'crime' of going off topic.......................No matter how petty and foolish this makes our forum appear.

So now we know. Or do we?

Since you are with us, you get to help us make the rules. Of late it seems that it is used for non-music related questions, comments, thoughts and stories. It may be like just a light conversation piece, or just killing time, or getting through a bad day, or anything non-academic (if you will). Or, just don't use it. It is what you make it. Don't sweat the rules, cause there aint none.
Max Explain the BS rules (52* d) RE: Explain the BS rules         26 Oct 99

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 10:19 PM

No problem, jeffp.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: jeffp
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 10:18 PM

Good job outing yourself, Bruce.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 09:38 PM

LOL