BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:34 PM

Homosexuality is being presented to the rest of society as being a safe and healthy lifestyle, which it is patently not.

You seem to have a hard time distinguishing between homosexuality and unprotected sex. They are not the same. The first is simply a fact about a person or given set of persons. As such it is neither safe not dangerous, except that hate-filled homophobes make it so. The latter is an activity which is very dangerous and foolish no matter who does it. You make a lot of the fact that a lot of people who fall into the category mentioned apparently partake of the activity mentioned. This does not make the category dangerous.

Also between homosexuality which is an innate preference for romantic and/or sexual affiliation with those of one's own sex, and a lifestyle which is a chosen habitual manner of acting. They are not the same. There is no such thing as "the homosexual lifestyle" because different homosexuals have all manner of different lifestyles, having this one thing in common: they are the lifestyles of homosexuals.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:22 PM

"Its time we all started re-assessing our political views if we can't see the right AND the wrong, we haven't really grown up."

And on that, Ake, we agree.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:16 PM

and leave the abuse out with Keith, we dont agree about much politically but he's smart, honest and believes what he says.

He also is not afraid to support his political "enemies" when he thinks they are being attacked unjustly.
He is his own man, not some political automaton unable to think for himself, like many here.

Its time we all started re-assessing our political views if we can't see the right AND the wrong, we haven't really grown up...A

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:16 PM

Syphilis is a sexually transmitted disease caused by the spirochetal bacterium Treponema pallidum subspecies pallidum. The route of transmission of syphilis is almost always through sexual contact, although there are examples of congenital syphilis via transmission from mother to child in utero.

Like AIDs.

Syphilis is transmitted through and exchange of bodily fluids

Like AIDs.

Transfer of syphilis bacteria can be either prevented or greatly reduced by the use of a condom during sex.

Like AIDs.

From the early sixteenth century when it first manifested itself, syphilis was called the "French disease" in Italy and Germany and the "Italian disease" in France. The Dutch called it the "Spanish disease", the Russians called it the "Polish disease", the Turks called it the "Christian disease" or "Frank disease" (frengi) and the Tahitians called it the "British disease."

In short, blame it on someone you don't like.

Like AIDs.

It is not a "gay disease." It is a venereal disease.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:05 PM

Royston.."responsibility" not for hiv, but for their own behaviour which causes the problems I listed above.

And try to calm down y'all....I'm sorry for calling you a numbskull, I don't really think you are....least not compared with Lox n' Don T :0).....but you shouldn't go round sayin' folks are "thick" because they dont agree with you...OK?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 04:25 PM

Keith, it comes as no surprise to find you here arguing that AIDS is a gay and a black/immigrant problem. You disgust me. At least Ache is a fairly transparent closet gay self-hater.

I refuse to dignify with a reply, comments on virusmyth.org - a propagandist website for the view that HIV does not cause AIDS. Keith, you should be ashamed of yourself. I suppose you also think that there is no human role in climate change? Or that the world is flat? You going to that site is like you going to migrationwatchh.org for a balanced view on immigration.

Keith: Royston, after a quarter of a century, there has surely been ample time for HIV to cross over to the straight community.
What is your evidence?

The evidence Keith is in the data that 50% of all HIV carriers worldwide are women. That in Africa, HIV affects up to 25% of entire populations (in which you assert that only 1-2% are gay). The evidence is the steadily rising infecion rates amongst women and straight people in the UK and staggering rates of heterosexual infection in Eire (where there is little non-EU immigration).

You see, unless you are a racist or homophobic bigot, it doesn't matter much where people got a disease or what colour they are. The disease is what is important.

Now that HIV is rising quickly amongst straight people living and shagging in the UK, the rate of new infection will increase with more carriers, who will drive the rate of infection higher, increasing the number of carriers...get it yet?

It's what happens in straight communities in Africa, it's what happened to gay communities in 'The West'. It is what will happen in straight communities in The West if people like you and Ache don't start to get the point here.

Now, to the '50 times' thing. I explained this a few days ago but you chose to ignore it and keep banging on with the same tired old possibly true but still pointless statistic.

Let's say that we have population in one place of 200 hedonistic people.

180 of them are straight, 20 of them are gay.

They all secure sexual partners at nightclubs.

The territory has 20 clubs for straight hedonists and 2 clubs for gay hedonists.

Everyone goes out to get laid on a Friday night and the clubs are equally full.

Are either of you starting to get this yet?

Suppose one gay person and one straght person are HIV positive and enter their respective "pools"

Getting it yet?

My mathematical knowledge is not up to the job of calculating the increasing odds for each group but anyone can see how bleedin obvious it is that the infection rate in the smaller but tightly closed group is going to climb far more quickly than in the other group, all other factors (behaviourally) being equal.

This is the accident of comparably "low" heterosexual rates of infection in the UK, because it just so happened the disease emerged in people that don't tend to shag members of the much larger and dispersed "other" group.

Where it emerged in the majority group (Africa) it has been catastrophic to them and far more so than it has been to British homosexuals - 4% of the gay population -v- 25% infection rate in heterosexual populations in Africa.

It is NOT A GAY DISEASE.

How stupid can you two possibly be?

Keith - whisper again - black and white people have sex together. I know, Keith, it's a shock...deep breaths, in and out. It doesn't matter much who got it, where they go it, or what colour they are. The disease is here and infecting more straight people than gay.

So why are we banging on about gay people and "responsibility" for HIV?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 04:25 PM

Ya gotta know your hate.

For example in 1950 about 80% of the USA was against INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE.

Today about 40% at most, are against same sex marriage.

Every rational and reasonable argument regarding gay marriage shows that it is simply against our Constitution to deny marriage.

People in their 90's get married so not having kids is not the issue, Besides gay couples have kids in several ways.

Hetero marriage is not diminished by any measure by recognizeing gay marriage.

There are no sound arguments against it EXCEPT ONE.
hate.

Without hate you got nothin.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 04:02 PM

Like I said:   a foaming-at-the-mouth homophobe.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 03:47 PM

Ake is a lying illiterate fuckwit.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 03:10 PM

Well MP....I dont really have a "solution", but sitting on our arses and pretending everything is fine is not an option.If the hiv figures for women showed that they were 50 times more likely to contract aids than men....the "sisters" would be in open revolt until steps were taken to find out why.

Homosexuality is being presented to the rest of society as being a safe and healthy lifestyle, which it is patently not.

Life expectancy is considerably lower than among heterosexuals...why?
Because homos are at least 50 times more likely to get aids than heteros...why? Because homosexual promiscuity figures...no of sexual partners etc, are much higher than among heterosexuals(if you deny that, please give your reason for the high hiv figure). Why are homosexuals in general so much more promiscuous?...I believe it has to do with the exclusively male hedonistic lifestyle.

If these figures applied to the hetero population, drastic measures would be taken to address them, beginning with a public health enquiry, compulsory testing, maybe even quarantine for certain high risk groups. This has already been tried in Cuba, which has one of the lowest hiv infection rates worldwide.

I'm sure love is a powerful emotion, but against a disease of this nature, it is about as much good as a hip pocket in a shirt!

The "cure" is not to stop having natural sex, if that were the case we would soon become extinct,(not such a bad thing when you look at some of the examples of humanity who post on this thread...eh? :0)
....but rather to start behaving with a sense of responsibility to society and for our actions...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 02:47 PM

Smoking 25 a day only increases lung cancer risk to 25 times that for a non smoker.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 02:41 PM

But, if there were a million Martians and only 100 Venusians, most of the infection would be Martians despite their much lower risk factor.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 02:37 PM

If only one in ten Martians get infected with Jovian Flu, but 3 out of ten Venusians get it, that means Venusians are 3 times more at risk than Martians, or 300% more likely to get it.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 02:34 PM

Good analysis, mp.

All of which goes to show that Ake's concern about AIDs rates is nothing but a smokescreen for that fact that he's a foaming-at-the-mouth homophobe, pure and simple.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 01:55 PM

50 times more than what exactly? What does that 50 times really mean? The 50 times, for it to mean anything, has to be 50 time more in some real term. So, if you have a 0.01% of getting something and you are now 50 times more likely you then have a 0.5% chance. That is still a small risk than say the chance of you being killed by some other illness.

As a woman on HRT I am 4 times more likely than a woman not on HRT to get a thrombosis. But as the chances of gettinga thrombosis in the first place are so low, then being 4 times more likely is still low risk.

That 50 times more likely - and I am still at a loss as to how that is gauged - may be a high risk or still very low dependant on what it is compared to in the first place.

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So, okay... we lock up all the gay men in chastity devices, to remove them from the dataset and any chance they could be blamed or included in the figures. That's them out of the way....

Now: How do we deal with all the other disease ridden risk takers having free and promiscuous sex? What do we do with those with HIV/AIDS, who are not gay but have got it through sex? How do we start judging them to try and rid the world of being sexually human?

That is why this singling of gay men is so stupid. Because even if they were not involved in the figures, we would still have HIV/AIDS and still have one heck of a health issue on our hands. Gay males are not scapegoats to be used for convenience. Get rid of gay men and we still have the same problem. The only thing that would be solved is with no gay men it would also kill off the homophobe but I have no doubt they would move on to blame someone else.

This is NOT a gay problem. It's a human population health problem.

Going even further back to the start of the thread. Love will be part way to solving the whole thing. Love, respect and acceptance of fellow humans. A common front against the disease itself, in order to find a cure, and an end to the discriminations that lead people to not seek help and advice.

HIV/AIDS will not be got rid of by hatred. It will not be got rid of by what is being called lberalism on this thread. Politicise it all you want but that will not stop it either. We cannot legislate against people having sex so the only end to this will education to try and stop people having unprotected sex, but ultimately finding a cure.

I ask again. What is YOUR solution?

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 01:25 PM

Yes Peter, but the figures you quote(I didn't mean to imply that you had made them up), say very little about transmission rates, other than that women and men are almost equally suseptible to new hiv infection.

When the population is broken down into smaller demographics, we see that homosexual men are more than 50 times more likely to be affected than heterosexual men.

This of course affects the male /female infection ratio.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 01:00 PM

Well at least Peters stats support his view.

Ake's link says the exact opposite to what Ake thinks.

It states that discrimination and stigma are serious problems which hinder attempts to deal effectively with the AIDS problem.

In other words, we need to confront homophobia.

For example in schools.

Thanks Ake for providing us with such an illuminating link.


As for this ... "Attempting to correlate the "real number" figures for women(who make up more than half the population) with male homosexuals (who comprise 1-2%, is disingenuous."

Well I'm glad you've discovered the word "disingenuous" its just a pity that you haven't mstered iits meaning.


50% of HIV victims worldwide are women.

And as Ake has so cleverly pointed out, around 50% of people are women.


How do those figures correlate?


DUH!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 12:55 PM

So when is ake going to go up in alarm when it comes to HIV infections among women and girls? Surely we deserve as much attention?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 12:40 PM

Peter's statistics are themselves very selective

They are not my statistics I was referring to statistics by the Central Statistics Office of Ireland and the site I linked to were statistics by the United Nations Health survey.

As for selectivity, they are statistics of new infections of HIV in the Republic and nothing else. And as such show that new infections by the homosexual population are outnumbered by those among young people and women. That's what they show and nothing else.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 12:04 PM

Peter's statistics are themselves very selective, in that they do not even mention homosexual infections, which in percentage of population, are the highest in any demographic, perhaps with the exception of African immigrants to the UK.

Attempting to correlate the "real number" figures for women(who make up more than half the population) with male homosexuals (who comprise 1-2%, is disingenuous.

Under reporting of homosexual infections is a distinct possibility everywhere.....and particularly in Ireland.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 09:55 AM

... Coming over here ... bringing their AIDS ... raping our men ...


Gay immigration ... Ake's gonna love this!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 09:53 AM

Peter, you need to consider that the gay community is very much smaller than the straight and that, as in Britain, immigrants from outside Europe are changing the balance.

Yes, that horse has been flogged quite extensively. In the Irish situation though, it's young people and women who take the lion's share of new infections. Not the immigrants or the gay community.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 09:51 AM

Re my last, obviously not changing gay/straight balance, but infection rate among gay/straight.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 09:49 AM

Just a quickie to say I've logged back on.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 09:47 AM

Peter, you need to consider that the gay community is very much smaller than the straight and that, as in Britain, immigrants from outside Europe are changing the balance.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Lox
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 09:46 AM

Ake,

I read the link you selectively took from peters source, and found this.

"But in countries where MSM face widespread discrimination and where there is a high degree of stigma attached to male to male sex, there is understandable reluctance on the part of MSM to give the true reason."


In other words, according to YOUR link, discrimination against homosexual men serves as an OBSTACLE to those who care about HIV/AIDS.


Your argument has been that homosexual men suffer because "liberals" will not take the brave step of limiting homosexuals civil and human rights.


So the link you provide explicitly opposes your opinion.


DUH!!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 09:38 AM

And I mean that in the sense you're ignoring the fact that (in the words of the Central Statistics Office) homosexuals are no longer the largest contributors to new cases of HIV infection in Ireland.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 06:42 AM

You're being typically selective.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 06:31 AM

Perhaps this      might throw a little light on the problem (from Peters source)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:50 AM

Time to get searching Mt.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:31 AM

FWIW, in Ireland over 60% of new HIV infections is among heterosexuals, women accounting for over 50% of new cases and the young agegroups taking the brunt of the rise, due to risk behaviour.

See the Central Statistics office of Ireland or HIVinsite statistics for Ireland

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 04:52 AM

And,
"Heterosexual spread of HIV in the general population cannot be observed when reliable data exist as in the case of Germany. The prevention campaigns have therefore been a waste of money and energy. Furthermore they did not lead to a substantial increase of condom use, but had a negative impact on the credibility of the institutions involved. (The danger, HIV concerns everybody, and the predictions were wrong.)
http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/cfepidem.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 04:45 AM

Royston, after a quarter of a century, there has surely been ample time for HIV to cross over to the straight community.
What is your evidence?
This from BMJ, 2005. "Although the number of people becoming infected with HIV through heterosexual intercourse in the United Kingdom is rising steadily, most of the overall rise in HIV diagnoses among heterosexuals is among people who originate from and were infected abroad, mainly in Africa.1 "
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/330/7503/1303

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 09:30 PM

See, the problem is, this is an area that I actually know something about. I worked for the Seattle-King County Department of Public Health in the HIV/AIDS Epidemiology division for 5 years. Homosexual promiscuity did NOT go up after the mid-80s, but went dramatically down. Of course AIDS prevalence went up after 1970 because in 1970 AIDS/HIV hadn't been discovered yet. So your statement as relayed by Don(Wwizetc)T consists of one falsehood and one tautology.

Have you even read And the Band Played On?

I can disprove any of your absurd claims just by a simple Google search. Throwing a lot of them together makes it virtually impossible to look them all up (some of us have real lives), but one only has to sample the beer from a few points around the keg to know it's all bad.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 07:17 PM

""Mousethief says correctly that this was an old study, but homosexual promiscuity/hiv figures have continued to worsen since then till the present.""

Then you will undoubtedly be able to point us toward the documented proof of that claim.

NO?   I thought not.

Another Ake confection of innuendo and guesswork.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:44 PM

Ake said: "Royston...please stop digging, I get no pleasure from watching someone making a complete arse of themselves."

I rest my case. Nothing to add.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:43 PM

I notice you didn't answer the questions, Ake -- Can't, or Won't? If Won't, why are you here?

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:41 PM

"Lox on the other hand is so far into the shit, ..."

More fascination with things anal from the vivid and disturbed imagination of our resident window-licker.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:32 PM

Royston...please stop digging, I get no pleasure from watching someone making a complete arse of themselves.

Lox on the other hand is so far into the shit, that he has disappeared from the "radar".....silent and invisible. :0(

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 03:48 PM

Ake thinks 95% is a minority.

He thinks a disease suffered 50% by women is a gay mans disease.

Then he calls Royston "a numbskull without even a rudimentary grasp of simple arithmetic"



DUH!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 03:44 PM

50% or 50 times, Ake.

If the only reason you have, to avoid the issue, is a typo then I will regard the issue as won.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 11:19 AM

Royston writes,
"Ake, there really isn't a lot of point arguing with you as you are just so thick, but I would hate for anyone to read your drivel and get the wrong impression about the world."

"All your crap about 50% more likely is just crap. The statistic may be true, but what is your point?"

Quite correct Royston that statistic is crap,what I actually said was
"The figures state conclusively that homosexual men in the US are at least 50 times more likely to aquire hiv/aids than any other demographic........why does no one seem to care? why no enquiry?"


And my point is........What the fuck "right", has a numbskull without even a rudimentary grasp of simple arithmetic got, to call me "thick"!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 11:05 AM

Seems Smedley, that you have picked up some bad habits from your Mudcat mates.

The inability to read what is posted, is common among the "liberals" on this forum. They are usually too keen to get their "stiletto's" back between their debating partners ribs, to be bothered digesting what is actually written.

I was asked by Ebbie if I actually KNEW any homosexuals. The people I mentioned live locally and I know/knew them reasonably well.

Of course, During my life, I have MET quite a large number of homosexuals, but as I know nothing about them or their relationships, they would not be pertinent to Ebbie's question.

Smedley...a little tip, just forget the sarcasm and try to concentrate, it will save you much future embarrassment......Seemples!! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 03:19 AM

Hang on, folks, I think it's only fair to respect Ake's honesty and perspicacity.

He has, on his own admission, met SEVEN homosexual people.

Yes, a whole SEVEN.

Given this boundless depth of experience, he is entirely entitled to generalise about millions of other homos.

I mean, if I'd met as many as SEVEN heterosexuals, I'd be in a position to lump all of them together and pronounce upon the meaning of their lives.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jan 10 - 08:35 PM

My somewhat windy post earlier about comp[lex systems is better said thus, from the Sod and Murphy thread:

19.       Simple solutions only fit simple problems and appeal to those who do not understand the problem anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jan 10 - 07:32 PM

Far be it from me to try to answer for Ake, but in at least two threads now he has been trying to peddle the idea that the AIDs virus is caused by homosexual activity. In short, spontaneously generated where it did not exist before!

This notion got under way in ancient Greece. The idea was that piles of garbage and refuse created such vermin as rats, mice, flies, and other scavangers—not that the garbage attracted the vermin, but that the it created them spontaneously.

This belief prevailed among some (but not all) through medieval times and continued until surprisingly recently—including such nonsense as "recipes" for producing mice, for example. All along, there were those who questioned the idea of life being spontaneously generated by inanimate matter, but it was finally laid to rest once and for all in the mid-1850s by Louis Pasteur.

I have mentioned this several times in these threads, but our statistics-cobbling Ake refuses to acknowledge it and grips his collection of medieval beliefs all the harder.

While, at the same time, telling me—and others who consistently yank the rug out from under his make-believe world—that we are too ignorant and stupid for him to waste his precious time bothering to answer, and generally ending his rant by calling us something like "liberal fascists." Whatever the hell that is!

Easy dodge. But glowingly transparent.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jan 10 - 06:55 PM

I think, Ake , you should be more specific about what it is you believe I am staying hushed up about.

What vector of AIDS transmission do you think is being overlooked, exactly?



A

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 18 Jan 10 - 06:32 PM

"a medical inquiry into the link between homosexuality and aids"

Lets examine this stroke of genius.

- Does Ake mean testing all homosexuals to discover what percentage actually suffers from HIV/AIDS?

if that is true and Akes motive is concern for AIDS sufferers, then why should we care about homosexuals more than other groups?

we should, by his standards, have another research project to study the link between HIV/AIDS and women, as 50% of HIV/AIDS sufferers worldwide are women.

OOOPS ....


Hang on - 50% of AIDS sufferers worldwide are women ... so it OBVIOUSLY isn't either exclusively or predominantly a gay problem and further research will only confirm that.


It would be a waste of money.

But Wait ...

- Ake might mean a scientific study to establish once and for all whether HIV/AIDS is somehow caused or originated by homosexuals.

For twenty years, scientists working for government research projects and private pharmaceutical companies have been working round the clock to learn about and try to understand what HIV/AIDS is, where it comes form and how to beat it.

Now that I have read Ake's post, I too want to know, why haven't those stupid scientists, with their millions of pounds/dollars of research money, taken the time to test the link between AIDS and homosexuality.

I think we should turn the research project over to Ake, as he clearly possesses a much deeper knowledge of scientific method and would stand a much better chance of finding out something useful.


You nob!


P.S. - how odd that two male gay couples should be anything less than open friendly and free with Ake, considering his selfless caring approach to male homosexuality.

I bet when Ake sees them he walks up with a hearty Grin and says "Hi I'd like to be your friend" to which they slink, curse and spit like Smeagol and Deagol from the Lord of the Rings.

Then again, maybe the truth is that Ake stares at them from a distance like a kid looking at a traffic accident, doing his best to radiate heterosexual manliness to deter any ideas they might have of bumming him, and they see him and think "steer clear of the homophobic fuckwit".

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 18 Jan 10 - 06:29 PM

Ake, there really isn't a lot of point arguing with you as you are just so thick, but I would hate for anyone to read your drivel and get the wrong impression about the world.

If you go to your local GP / GUM Clinic / Gay Venue, you will find that an enormous amount of effort and resources are aimed at getting the safe sex message and condoms and what not to gay men. Inquiries held, lessons learned, resources and outreach deployed.

So your point is what?

People - gay or straight - get HIV by unprotected penetrative sex. Is that clear enough for you? Why do people not practice safe sex? I have no idea. But it certainly isn't a "gay thing" according to any figures - Africa or UK.

All your crap about 50% more likely is just crap. The statistic may be true, but what is your point? What are we supposed to infer from that? I explained to you why that is just a bad luck roll of the dice for gay men in "The West" - it isn't complex; if you have a disease that appears in a minority closed group of people practising the main transmission vector, that is where the disease will stay and infection rates will be high. Luck of the draw.

So in the UK, HIV has historically been concentrated in the gay community where it first appeared. The data shows that straight people are reversing that trend.

In Africa, where HIV emerged in the straight population; guess what? It's a straight 'plague' as you see it.

As Lox said, that gay men are 50 times more likely to acquire HIV than is Margaret Thatcher, is a meaningless statistic. that 96% of gay men are HIV negative is more informative (but you don't like that one)

GfS, you're even more absurd than I thought. Having exhausted your own spleen, you're now off to the religious nutters for a load of selective data from the 1970's (mainly it would seem). All the 'findings' are quoted out of context to serve a right wing agenda. All the 'research' appears to be of self selected groups - people accessing healthcare (mental and physical) services or social care services. That is to say that none of those studies are of the gay population in general and to quote them so selectively is akin to lying. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jan 10 - 06:12 PM

"liberal" does not mean liberal!