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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 26 Jul 11 - 12:27 AM John. you seemed obsessed with farting....What is this?..Mating season?? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 26 Jul 11 - 12:43 AM Sorry, GfS, you're doing all the farting. It's my new term for people like you who are fantastically hypocritical and don't have anything cogent to say but keep spouting off in public anyway. This is a big similarity between you and the Tea Party. Your posts are as stinky and offensive as farts. Get it now? I'll try to be more serious: What do you mean when you talk about freedom for Americans? What is your understanding of what it means to run our country according to the Constitution? Oh, shit, I already tried that. I think I'll go back to calling attention to your fart mouth. It's way more entertaining and seems to produce the same results from you. More farts! PPFFTT! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 26 Jul 11 - 01:47 AM Johnny: "Oh, shit, I already tried that. I think I'll go back to calling attention to your fart mouth. It's way more entertaining and seems to produce the same results from you. More farts! PPFFTT!" Hey, if I want any shit from you, I'll squeeze your face! Jeez!..It sounds like a barroom brawl!..well maybe a coffee house brawl..and some of you are sure getting a lot of lumps!..but before the 'barkeep' shuts the thread down(even though it HAS been rather entertaining), Let's wait for Donny-Babes to find that mysterious, elusive post!...We may be on here a lo-o-o-o-ng time! Bobert found the duct tape....and while using it, I hope he found out a LOT more stuff about the Koch Bros. that he never knew before..(He should have thanked me!) What a turkey shoot!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 26 Jul 11 - 09:12 AM In all seriousness, GfS, mouth farting is a very good analogy for what you and the Tea Party do: a rude noise, a bad stench, and nothing behind it but a lot of hot air. You and the Tea Party claim to want freedom but your thoughts on the matter are so shallow as to be laughable. You are unable to articulate anything other than a morass of disconnected thoughts that don't bear even the most cursory examination, but you like to display them loudly at every opportunity. Anytime you get tired of farting and me calling attention to it, try discussing the meaning of freedom or the Constitution. We'll have a great conversation. Until then, PPFFTT! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 26 Jul 11 - 09:35 AM No duct tape here... Just busy and went out to hear T Model Ford last night in some dive in Charlotte... You are 100% wrong on the Koch brothers spending, GfinS... The stuff above the table makes Soros's look like chump change... Then, like an iceberg, 90% of it is under that table (legally) now that the Republican packed Supremes have opened up the doors for massive right wing corporate money to flow into elections without any disclosure or restrictions... All one has to do is pay attention to the "media buy" time to see who has the big $$$s... Haven't seen one single progressive ad in over a year on televison (cable of) but the corporations are hammering Obama every night... Thousands and thousands of media buys... But you don't care about that as long as it's your side that has rigged the deck, do you... John is correct... You ***are*** a hypocrite... You blast the corporations one day saying they control everything on "both sides" but have no interest in the reality the big $$$ ain't going to progressives, or centrists but 99% to you right winged heros... Hypocrite!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Stringsinger Date: 26 Jul 11 - 11:29 AM The Tea-o-Cratic Party is made up of radical religious people who are not secular and don't believe in Separation of Church and State. As a result, they believe that government as it stands now should be destroyed and replaced by a Christian Theocracy. This is the real basis for their opposing any legislation that Obama is offering. The Republicans have been taken over by these theocrats and that explains their obstinate adherence to a totally phony "austerity" program which is calculated to destroy the Obama presidency and castigate Democrats. Both the Democrats and Republicans are in denial and this issue doesn't get mentioned as a result. There are some libertarians who are opposed on philosophical ratrher than religious grounds and followers of Paul Ryan and Ayn Rand but they are in the minority when it comes to the Tea-o-Cratic Party. In the meantime, the Koch Brothers and Karl Rove are playing the religious card for all it's worth by supporting it as a means to their ends. It's not only an economic war that governs Republican policy but a Culture War as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 26 Jul 11 - 11:30 AM Now that's a stretch. You and Don should open a pretzel factory! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Stringsinger Date: 26 Jul 11 - 11:47 AM State of denial. Where's the sanity? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 26 Jul 11 - 12:54 PM Another baseless theory! Look guys, the Tea Party's appeal is to citizens who are freaked out, as to the way things are, and have been in Washington. A great deal of them haven't even heard of the Koch's....even though, I would agree, that the Koch's are funneling money and support into the party. Do I agree with everything they say?...NO. Do I agree with everything the Democrats say?...NO. Do I agree with the GOP?..NO Do I agree with everything Mudcatters say??...Well, so far they haven't had much of anything coherent to say, other than they are a bunch of discontented whiners, whose so-called 'left' leaning mindset is obviously coming unraveled...and instead of making 'adjustments' and/or 'corrections', even in the light of FACTS, some just turn into nasty little bitches. Oh, and Don,..remember what you are looking for? This is your claim that I said: "And then, you went on to claim that YOU were a counselor and HAVE cured homosexuals of their homosexuality." The part about being a counselor was indeed correct..the other, well you just made that up!... But this is what I did say, "Personally, I don't care how a person takes their sex....but that should be a personal matter..and not rub it in all our faces, and force us to accept it as law!!...even when it goes against the majority will of the people." AND THIS: "Thank God for natural selection! When the stupid idiots don't get it, let nature step in and give them a clue!! Personally, there is no need to legislate a thing! This whole thing is a backlash to the homosexuals pushing their agendas down everyone's throat...and excuse the majority for objecting!!!!! Whether you like it or not, homosexuality (until the politically 'correct' assholes, pushed it onto the medical community), has always been listed as a dysfunctional behavior, where one gender, through one of several reasons, develops a sense of inability, to resolve understanding and communication differences with the opposite sex, usually from hostility, emotional focus, and unforgiveness towards a like gender parent and reverts to a pubescent experimental stage, of sexuality, which causes little or no challenge to expand beyond immature behavioral patterns.....Much the same behavior is seen in younger girls who like to 'dress up like 'mommy'(which is normal for pre-pubescent girls), homosexuals like to dress up like 'married'. To actually push that agenda onto a functioning society, is the product of a group of people who have physically matured, and not emotionally matured as well.....And if you don't like it, that is only a product of your political bent...which of course, is not to be confused with mental health." OR THIS: "Ok, Then give a name to two people who proclaim publicly that they want to live together, and have children that they conceive themselves, and raise that family together. HINT: Its a name they use world over, from Samoa, to Tibet, Europe, Asia, China, Russi, Australia, South, and Central America, North America..and recognized globally. Then ask yourselves, is this the same situation that warrants the same name of two people who have an inability to do that, because of their sexual orientation. It's called 'Marriage'...and I KNOW, so you don't have to beat a dead horse, that not all couples who get married, don't do it, for the reason of having children..however, that IS the model, and families ARE the basic fabric of civilizations and societies. It is no wonder, why 'redefining' what that basic building block is, that some people, whether religious based, or not, see that eroding away of that foundation, see it as a threat to their nations, culture, or society...especially when they are so vehement, in their attacks! If they want a different sexual 'preference'..they don't have to advertise is and throw it in everyone's face!..In like manner, nobody, inquires on here as to their sexuality to deny them of any dialogues or rights! Do we have to know how your wives squeak, or how you groan, or where you like it????...I do-o-o-n't think so!! So, if they want to do what they do, the way they do, then call it whatever they want...but it is not 'Marriage' as known the world over, by every established society....any more than when a little girl dresses up in mommy's dresses and wears her high heels, makes her a woman or mother!!!" OR THIS?: "From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Jan 09 - 04:40 AM" Or THIS GEM...From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Jan 09 - 04:40 AM: " Acceptable??? To whom? me? No..I think its lame, unnecessary, dysfunctional, dishonest to one's own self, lying to himself about his own gender, and sad...and I understand it! Absolutely tragic!..from both sides. Acceptable?..Maybe to you ..but then you have given yourself little option...and intentionally stay comfortable in your lack of knowledge or understanding. That, too, is sad. Personally, I think that unless a man, mounts a woman, and with her hearty help, at least one time in their life, for the soul purpose of bringing forth a life, and willing to raise that child with her, keeping LOVE as the central focus of their family, you can take all the mystics, politicians, religious fanatics, and used car salesmen, and go bark and howl at the moon, for anything they want...and it won't take away the fact, of the wonder of that miracle, nor will they argue it away. Doing that, is the hottest experience humans can do well, on this planet!...Now if you haven't done that...what did you want to say??? I can't hear you......... (Don't even post it) Or THIS ONE: (From: From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 16 Aug 10 - 06:51 PM "Donny Firth: "No, GfS, we do NOT know that it is not genetic. YOU don't want to believe it, so in your mind, it isn't. But there is plenty of evidence demonstrating that gender orientation IS genetic. The specific gene or genes have not been isolated yet, but the basic principles of genetics established by Gregor Mendel in the 19th century definitely point to this being the case. I, and many geneticists, feel confident that the gene(s) will be found soon. If it hasn't been yet, that doesn't mean that it won't be." That is speculation. Since when have 'civil rights' issues, regarding the law, are passed on speculation????? You need to do a bit better....shit, let's speculate that 2012 everything is going to be destroyed..and pass a law that we party till then, at government expense!!..EQUALLY!! Nope!..Bad foundation to build a case on!! GfS Or THIS ONE: From: Don Firth Date: 16 Aug 10 - 07:26 PM "Rave on, little critter. There is ample evidence that gender orientation is indeed genetic to make the civil rights issue valid." And THIS ONE: From: Don Firth Date: 18 Aug 10 - 09:27 PM "Okay, both questions are answered by the fact that the "homosexual gene" is carried by one or more females in the family into which the homosexual male is born. And the gene in question seems to relate to an inconsistency, or "mis-timing," in when particular hormones are released to the male fetus when the female in question is pregnant." Don Firth AND THEN HE SAYS THIS NOW...on this thread!! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 11 - 04:14 PM Don Firth:"GfS, you are, indeed, a liar. Or you, too, flunked remedial reading. I never said that same-sex orientation is genetic..." ...and I have more.......(just thought I'd help you out!) GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 26 Jul 11 - 01:07 PM "Look guys, the Tea Party's appeal is to citizens who are freaked out, as to the way things are, and have been in Washington." Only stupid fantasy seekers think that. The Tea Party is a clumsy rebranding of the Republican right wing fringe |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 26 Jul 11 - 01:35 PM Okay, GfS, when I cited a couple of things you said on a previous thread (the Prop 8 thread), you denied it that you said it, and in your post of 25 Jul 11 - 04:14 p.m. above, you called me a "LIAR," all in caps. We've done this little dance before, and you keep coming up looking like a horse's ass. Case in point: On the Prop 8 thread, you kept insisting that there was absolutely nothing genetic about gender orientation, and offered as proof that you, a counselor, had cured homosexuals of their abnormality. When challenged on this, you went on to present more evidence for your position by offering the following bit of personal history: Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage BanThis is followed by— Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage BanThen, I once again confronted you with the question of why you are so adamant about there being no genetic connection in the face of so much evidence that there might very well be, and that the book was not closed yet. I pointed out what you had said about your father's defection, and offered the suggestion that perhaps your intransigence on the issue was prompted less by any scientific knowledge, but more by fear of what your own genes might contain. You then had a wall-eyed fit (which was a dead giveaway that I had hit a nerve!), swore that you have never said anything like that, then made the hysterical accusation that I had posted that under your name! I PMed Joe Offer about your claim that I had written that post rather than you. He PMed me back, saying that he could not guarantee that you personally had written the post about your father, BUT that, checking the IP address from which the post came, it had come from YOUR COMPUTER. Not mine! So there you have it GfS! You lied. And then you lied about lying. And then you tried to wipe the egg off your chin by accusing ME of lying. And now you're doing it AGAIN. GfS, repeatedly you get caught with your pants down and your hand in the cooking jar. Not to mention, the egg on your face. No, I doubt that you were ever any kind of counselor. If you ever were, then God help your patients! But this I DO know: You are badly in NEED of some serious counseling. You are one sick puppy! Now, knock off this crap, GfS, and let sane people get back to the discussion at hand. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 26 Jul 11 - 03:02 PM Oh yes, I KNEW you'd pull up that one...what you FAILED to pull up, is my post saying "I DID NOT AUTHOR that post", and asked Joe Offer to check it out as well!...and asked Joe to take it off!!..but he elected to leave it on, because he stated that, yes, in fact it did come from my computer...but IN FACT, I did NOT write that post! Nor did I Author this bit of folly.."Not to get to personal, but to squash any type of statement about my father already being gay, I'll explain this. He was molested when he was a child by his father and uncle. He learned how to deal with the shame and pain of this act by storing it inside and never talking about it. This, undoubtedly, led to prolonged psychological effects that plagued him and eventually chose him to choose his lifestyle." My father was NEVER molested as a child!..nor any of the above post is remotely true!!! What I do suspect is, someone else wrote that post, and the one at 12:38!!..and if you remember I refuted that post!...but you simply ignore that! Lying through omission. Perhaps it was one of the musicians who was at the home recording, who thought this argument was stupid..I don't know...but that is and was a post NOT made by me, nor is it true, in any sense! Get over it!! ,...and by the way, what you are saying, even by posting that bit of nonsense is, that homosexuality was NOT genetic, but acquired through someone's dad and uncle molesting someone...and that caused the person, to be a homosexual...not consistent with your own rap!...So make up your mind! So, you 'almost' artfully avoided posted anything which shows YOU never said it was 'genetic' and shifted the topic onto a stupid, false and disputed post! Nice try!...but you are still lying!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 26 Jul 11 - 03:24 PM Game, set, and match, GfS. You're twisting and writhing like snake in a noose of your own making. Give it up. You're only making yourself look like even more of an ass than you already do. By the way: when and where did you receive your degree in psychology? What agency issued your certificate as a psychological or marriage counselor? Where and for how long have you practiced? Since you have made the claim, these are all fair questions. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 26 Jul 11 - 03:31 PM Here's another perfectly fair question, GfS. Having established (TWICE) that the post in question came from YOUR computer, if YOU didn't write it, then who did? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: frogprince Date: 26 Jul 11 - 03:49 PM "Not to get to personal, but to squash any type of statement about my father already being gay, I'll explain this. He was molested when he was a child by his father and uncle. He learned how to deal with the shame and pain of this act by storing it inside and never talking about it. This, undoubtedly, led to prolonged psychological effects that plagued him and eventually chose him to choose his lifestyle." ",...and by the way, what you are saying, even by posting that bit of nonsense is, that homosexuality was NOT genetic, but acquired through someone's dad and uncle molesting someone...and that caused the person, to be a homosexual...not consistent with your own rap!...So make up your mind!" By what twist of reasoning can you say that. by quoting a post sent from your computer, Don is "saying" what that post claims to assert? If I quote from Mein Kampf, making it plain that I'm doing so only to expose the nature of the book, does that constitute my supporting the philosophy in that book? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 26 Jul 11 - 04:33 PM Before we go any further...answer yours first, as that's the order it came down!!!..and stop changing the topic!.... You CLAIMED I SAID something I didn't...now prove it or shut up! So, you 'almost' artfully avoided posted anything which shows YOU never said it was 'genetic' and shifted the topic onto a stupid, false and disputed post! Nice try!...but you are still lying!! Or THIS ONE: (From: From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 16 Aug 10 - 06:51 PM "Donny Firth: "No, GfS, we do NOT know that it is not genetic. YOU don't want to believe it, so in your mind, it isn't. But there is plenty of evidence demonstrating that gender orientation IS genetic. The specific gene or genes have not been isolated yet, but the basic principles of genetics established by Gregor Mendel in the 19th century definitely point to this being the case. I, and many geneticists, feel confident that the gene(s) will be found soon. If it hasn't been yet, that doesn't mean that it won't be." That is speculation. Since when have 'civil rights' issues, regarding the law, are passed on speculation????? You need to do a bit better....shit, let's speculate that 2012 everything is going to be destroyed..and pass a law that we party till then, at government expense!!..EQUALLY!! Nope!..Bad foundation to build a case on!! GfS Or THIS ONE: From: Don Firth Date: 16 Aug 10 - 07:26 PM "Rave on, little critter. There is ample evidence that gender orientation is indeed genetic to make the civil rights issue valid." And THIS ONE: From: Don Firth Date: 18 Aug 10 - 09:27 PM "Okay, both questions are answered by the fact that the "homosexual gene" is carried by one or more females in the family into which the homosexual male is born. And the gene in question seems to relate to an inconsistency, or "mis-timing," in when particular hormones are released to the male fetus when the female in question is pregnant." Don Firth AND THEN HE SAYS THIS NOW...on this thread!! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 11 - 04:14 PM Don Firth:"GfS, you are, indeed, a liar. Or you, too, flunked remedial reading. I never said that same-sex orientation is genetic..." ...and I have more.......(just thought I'd help you out!) GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 26 Jul 11 - 05:29 PM You really are a sad piece of work! Read what I said in those posts AGAIN!! I never said--anywhere--that it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that gender orientation is genetic. What I kept (and keep) saying is that there is a great deal of evidence to indicate that sexual orientation is determined by genetics. I get this information from sources such as Scientific American and Psychology Today. Argue with THEM! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 26 Jul 11 - 05:35 PM You can not have a rational discussion with irrational people, Don... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 26 Jul 11 - 05:44 PM So, are you NOW saying that it is NOT genetic? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 26 Jul 11 - 06:17 PM No, I am not. Nor (no matter how much you lie about it) did I ever say that unequivocally. What I DID say, and what I AM saying is that according to the best scientific evidence available, there is a great likelihood that it IS genetic. Are you simply incapable of reading plain English? Sorry, GfS. You can't lay your gender confusion problem on me. It's YOUR problem. YOU deal with it! Don Firth (P. S. I think he loves me. That's why he can't seem to leave me alone. . . .) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 26 Jul 11 - 06:52 PM Donny: "(P. S. I think he loves me. That's why he can't seem to leave me alone. . . .)" You're the one who brought it back up AGAIN..in an attempt to derail the other topic! I just answered you. Pretzels anyone? And as to address you question about who is lying...I proved my point..you have yet to prove yours! And as to my education....Did it ever occur to you, that my rap about 'receptors', as 'off the wall' as they may have seemed, was just a little more than a 'wild guess'????...When NONE of the 'so-called experts' on here, probably ever heard of such a thing???? Problem is, just like Bobert, I have to cut through so much preconceived bullshit of yours, to prove YOUR points!!!..because of how much misinformation you guys have bought into!..and like I've said to both of you...I'M on YOUR SIDE...as long as 'your side' is rooted in TRUTH, and NOT political hackery and quackery!!! When you post on music, you are worth reading...but this other stuff is just political dogma!..same with Bob-Babes...that's why you're not getting anywhere..because as time goes on, the political crap, gets found out to be hogwash....and the truth prevails...I only hope our country lasts long enough to recognize what turner out to be truth, versus what turned out to be partisan manipulations, that tend to get people's eyes off the real things going on...like this thread, and it's diversions!! Fair enough?? P.S. You still were not even close to proving that I was lying...so, at this point, I'll offer you an 'Olive Branch':...quit accusing me of lying, and I'll stop insisting that you prove it!... ..and if you'd like to make a step further, you might actually consider deeper, the things I've run down to you....because I don't post on a LOT of threads,..only the ones that I KNOW what I'm talking about!(unless its for a quick quip). How 'bout it? (I make a lot better ally, than adversary!!....as you should have seen by now!!) GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 26 Jul 11 - 07:24 PM "Pre-conceived bullshit", GfinS... I have two college degrees which say that no matter what you think of my posting it is anything but "pre-conceived"... Not only that, I read one heck of a lot of actual newspapers and would more than happy to take you on in any judged debate or exam of knowledge of real world events, economics, history or even, since you Tea Partiers just love the Constitution, the Constitution itself... No notes... Just straight up knowledge... That's the problem I have with you and Sawz and the rest of the Tea Party... You have bumper sticker solutions that the Koch brothers have stuffed in your head that aren't solutions at all... They are policies that will insure ***their*** success at gaming the system and they have no earthly interest in your well being... Or your families well being... You are being used as political cannon fodder, dupes and pawns by people who wouldn't give a second thought about you if they ran you over in the streets... You are Boss Hogs chattel... You are the new "porch Negroes" and you and your Tea Partiers are eat up with arrogance and complete ignorance... Square business... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Joe Offer Date: 26 Jul 11 - 08:33 PM Combative terms: "prove it or shut up," "stupid, false and disputed," "political hackery and quackery," "Bob-Babes," "you are, indeed, a liar" "pre-conceived bullshit," etc., etc. You're sounding like a bunch of dour old farts with stale testosterone.I think it's time to cool it down, guys. Otherwise, I'll close the thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 26 Jul 11 - 09:06 PM Hey, my testosterone ain't stale, Joe... Come right outta this here pill bottle... lol... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 26 Jul 11 - 10:42 PM I cannot decipher GfS's continuous incoherent ravings just above, so I'm not going to bother with it. I leave analysis of the above exchange between GfS and myself to any reasonable person who might wish to render a judgment. I have neither the time nor the patience to argue with someone, who, characteristically through several threads now, will lie his head off even when the plain and simple truth would serve him better. The exchange between GfS and me is over as far as I'm concerned. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 26 Jul 11 - 11:07 PM Good decision, Don... There are people who just flatly aren't worth the effort... I guess that goes both ways... No matter??? GfinS has joined Sawz on my list of people that you can no longer talk with... As for the Tea Party??? Yeah, terrorist organization... They are trying to do what bin Laden couldn't: kill the US economy... But they are too ignorant of basic Economics 201 to understand that... I learned when I was a social worker not to argue with crazy people... Same goes for folks who are clueless but think they know everything in the world... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Jul 11 - 02:54 AM Gosh, just when I offered an 'Olive Branch' to bury the hatchet...hmmm, seems like the others wish to 'remain silent', and traipse off there merry way....so, I'll say this politely....ahem (clears throat)...Oh, Mr. Firth, would you care to substantiate your assertion, that I've told a falsehood, when you asserted the claim that, let me put your statement in quotes:... "And then, you went on to claim that YOU were a counselor and HAVE cured homosexuals of their homosexuality. By the way, don't try to deny that you claimed this, because I can link people to the posts where you said it." Well then, I'll take you up on your generous offer...because I looked and found it nowhere...and I sincerely doubt that you can either. ..but rather you dug up a post, which, had you read further, I asserted that I never authored, and by doing so, you broke your concentration, from your arduous search, which I'm sure you were so diligent about! So rather than allow you to embarrass yourself further, by making, yet ANOTHER 'mistaken' claim, would you care to continue your journey, into your quest, of searching for something I never said in the first place?..If not, can you politely insert your cranium, into the orifice, where you mistakenly procured your other 'assertions'???...I'll be happy to forgive your inaccurate assertions, then!! Actually Joe, I thought this was getting overheated when I posted this: "Jeez!..It sounds like a barroom brawl!..well maybe a coffee house brawl..and some of you are sure getting a lot of lumps!..but before the 'barkeep' shuts the thread down(even though it HAS been rather entertaining), Let's wait for Donny to find that mysterious, elusive post!...We may be on here a lo-o-o-o-ng time!" Sincerely and Politely Yours, GfS P.S....and may I suggest that you discontinue making up things, to prove a point, that never existed?. Be courteous. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Jul 11 - 04:04 AM 10 Indications That the United States is Becoming a Dictatorship Read this, and click on the underlined links. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 27 Jul 11 - 09:40 AM Nah, GfinS... This ain't about olive branches... It's about coming to a gun fight without a gun... This thread is about the tactics used by the Tea Party and the radical policies they are trying to force on the majority of America... If all one can do is parrot bumper sticker length policy positions that the Tea party and their masters put out there then that is just like the not taking the gun to the gun fight... Many of us here are well educated and well read and are paying attention to the madness that the radical right is in the process of trying to ***impose*** on our country which to outsiders looks exactly like that: madness... Radical fringe groups should not have the power to wreck our economy... That is why the American people are pissed at Congress... It is being held hostage by these radical who came into power on one big issue: jobs!!! Not deficits... Not turning all the attention to defeating Obama!!! It was "jobs, jobs, jobs" in the 2010 election but once in power they pulled off th3e sheep clothing and told *US* that they were voted in to disrupt the American government??? In other words: They Lied!!! Now they have disrupted the American government hoping that in doing so they can defeat Obama but no where in sight are their either ***jobs*** or the talk of ***jobs***... Might of fact, all leading economists tell *US* that the Tea Party policy positions will destroy millions of ***jobs***... Last month the private sector added 58,000 jobs but with the cuts, cuts, cuts that the Tea Party had pushed on *US* we lost over 40,000 jobs... That left *US* with a net gain of less than 20,000 when all leading economists say we need 200,000 a month to cut into the 8,000,000 ***jobs*** that were lost during the Bush years... BTW, we're not talking about hiring government employees here... We are talking about investing in fixing out crumbling infrastructure which is done primarily by private contractors... Never mind... I am talking to a tree... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 27 Jul 11 - 09:52 AM Thank you, Joe. GfS, you should know by now that quotes from a blogger who is a self-avowed Libertarian aren't going to carry much weight outside the extreme right-wing fringe. Not that I disagreed with everything he was saying, but that someone with such an obvious bias isn't a good place to go for real news. I'm WAY more interested in what you think than in what some Libertarian blogger thinks. That being said, I'd like to draw your attention to the first sentence of the article you linked to: For a people to be free, they must first be honest with themselves, their government, and the world at large. I'm glad you want to get back to talking about freedom, and apparently want to approach the subject honestly. I'm unclear, however, on exactly what you mean when you talk about freedom. Can you spell out some the freedoms you want us all to have, and which ones you only want some of us to have, and which ones no one should have? Do you believe that all freedoms enjoyed by Americans should be delineated by the Constitution? Do you believe the Constitution should be amended to fit modern times, should be interpreted with an understanding that the world has changed and that the concepts are more important than the actual words, or that it should be left as is and interpreted literally? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 27 Jul 11 - 12:38 PM You, Don, who is so highky educated that cannot present any facts so you must rely on personal attacks? Personal attacks only prove that the person attacking has nothing to prove his point. I haven't called anybody here a liar or stupid or crazy or evil, just unable to recognize facts. Unable to think for themselves. James Eric Fuller, a military veteran and self-described liberal, began ranting at the end of ABC's "This Week" program with Christiane Amanpour, then took a picture of Tucson Tea Party leader Trent Humphries and yelled, "You're dead." "Deputies made contact with him, attempted to remove him, and he turned around and yelled at everybody and called them all whores," Pima County sheriff's spokesman Jason Ogan told The Associated Press. While Fuller, 63, was being escorted out, deputies decided he needed a mental health evaluation and he was taken to a hospital. Ogan said the hospital will determine when Fuller will be released. Fuller was arrested on misdemeanor disorderly conduct and threat charges, according to the sheriff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 27 Jul 11 - 12:42 PM "the cuts, cuts, cuts that the Tea Party had pushed on *US*" Please describe these cuts Bobert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 27 Jul 11 - 12:47 PM $33B so far... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 27 Jul 11 - 01:09 PM Bobert has not said what was cut so far. He has not answered the question about which political party cast the most yea votes for TARP and which cast the most nay votes. I even provided a link to the Senate record. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 27 Jul 11 - 01:14 PM "I get this information from sources such as Scientific American and Psychology Today. Argue with THEM!" Appeal to authority. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 27 Jul 11 - 01:15 PM Not playing yer games, Sawz, so go cry on yer shrink's shoulder... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 27 Jul 11 - 01:19 PM It's important to recognize and identify the patterns of a ritual defamation. Like all propaganda and disinformation campaigns it is accomplished primarily through the manipulation of words and symbols. It is not used to persuade, but to punish. Although it may have cognitive elements, its thrust is primarily emotional. Ritual Defamation is used to hurt, to intimidate, to destroy, and to persecute, and to avoid the dialogue, debate and discussion upon which a free society depends. On those grounds it must be opposed no matter who tries to justify its use. An important rule in ritual defamation is to avoid engaging in any kind of debate over the truthfulness or reasonableness of what has been expressed, only condemn it. To debate opens the issue up for examination and discussion of its merits, and to consider the evidence that may support it, which is just what the ritual defamer is trying to avoid. The primary goal of a ritual defamation is censorship and repression. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 27 Jul 11 - 01:41 PM "Combative terms: "prove it or shut up," "stupid, false and disputed," "political hackery and quackery," "Bob-Babes," "you are, indeed, a liar" "pre-conceived bullshit," etc., etc. You're sounding like a bunch of dour old farts with stale testosterone.I think it's time to cool it down, guys. Otherwise, I'll close the thread." Can I call Bobert an idiot if I can prove that trying to use logic on Sawzaw is pointless? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 27 Jul 11 - 02:42 PM "would you care to substantiate your assertion, that I've told a falsehood….." about your saying that you never claimed to try to pass yourself off to be a counselor? Sure, GfS! Since you keep trying to proclaim yourself as a Beacon of Truth and keep calling me a liar when I quote your own statements back to you, I am more than happy to expose your perfidy. (Fasten your seat belt). Subject: RE: BS: Why not just BAN Guests?And on the seventh day, you rested? Now, you were saying. . . ? Don Firth *Claims he has private and confidential material on his computer and is afraid that if he registers, people on Mudcat may have access to it. All together now (to the tune of "The Volga Boatman") — "Par-a-noi-a. . . . (grunt). |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 27 Jul 11 - 02:46 PM "$33B so far" "Whose figures??? Right wing bloggers???" Oneway Bobert demands answers from others but he will not answer. "Can I call Bobert an idiot" I do not beleive it is OK to call anybody an idiot. I have never told anybody to shut up. If they keep making claims they can't back up, just proves their claims are specious and that they are a blowhard. Bobert can't define any of the "cuts" He won't name any of the shitload of Dixiecrats. He won't name any of the "right wing paid bloggers" He can keep on repeating those claims as long as he wants. Can you back up this claim Bobert?: "When thug, who are paid by the Koch brothers, enter a town meeting with the intent of scaring the shit out of everyone" When and where did that happen Bobert? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Jul 11 - 03:19 PM The difference though, is that the post you posted of mine, is true..unlike your other assertion that you could not, can not, and therefore won't be validating. As far as I'm concerned, ANYONE who knowingly fabricates, a false assertion, such as you have, and continue to do, isn't worth the time of day! Those who knowingly support that kind of bad behavior, and supports know lies, is probably unreliable, when it comes to 'political' dogmas, as well! You have done a magnificent job of discrediting yourself...I couldn't have done better!!! Now onto your next deception???..Please note: ONLY moronic simpletons, will believe and promote your antics!! But I'm quite sure you're well practiced at this...just THIS time you got busted!!!...in a public arena, as well! TRULY,(look it up) GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 27 Jul 11 - 04:35 PM Kind of like the little kid with crumbs all over his face and his pockets stuffed with cookies insisting on his innocence and accusing his imaginary friend of raiding the cookie jar. It would be funny if it weren't so downright dumb. Unbelievable! Catch GfS in a lie multiple times and he just keeps right on lying, trying to cover the original lie(s), while in the meantime, accusing those who exposed him (again and again) of being the ones who are lying. Didn't somebody once say that "The definition of insanity is when someone keeps repeating the same behavior, while, each time expecting a different result?" Since it's obvious to all—except, apparently, to him/her/it—I will waste no further time. And, of course, it will crow that I've left the field because it routed me. Guaranteed. Not unlike the yappy little Yorkshire terrier I described earlier. As I said, I didn't run over it because I do tend to be kind and tolerant of dumb animals—even when they keep snarling and barking as if they want to tear my leg off (from the safety of being held tightly in their owner's arms). Actually, if you can avoid getting annoyed with them, their antics can really be quite amusing. But it can get pretty silly after a bit. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 27 Jul 11 - 04:39 PM Mean while, the Tea Party continues the work that Osama bin Laden started in trying to destroy the American economy... I keep reading that al qeada is close to being destroyed... Great, when we finish that job we need to destroy the Tea Party next and save America for real Americans who want the country to succeed rather than the crooks who just want to poison its water, pollute its air, steal even more $$$ from the working class and kill as many American jobs as they can in an attempt to turn America into their own little Afghanistan with the Koch brothers and Dick Armey being Taliban war lords... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 27 Jul 11 - 06:15 PM Sigh . . . will you folks PLEASE stop talking about each other and start talking about the issues at hand? Trying again: GfS, you should know by now that quotes from a blogger who is a self-avowed Libertarian aren't going to carry much weight outside the extreme right-wing fringe. Not that I disagreed with everything he was saying, but that someone with such an obvious bias isn't a good place to go for real news. I'm WAY more interested in what you think than in what some Libertarian blogger thinks. That being said, I'd like to draw your attention to the first sentence of the article you linked to: For a people to be free, they must first be honest with themselves, their government, and the world at large. I'm glad you want to get back to talking about freedom, and apparently want to approach the subject honestly. I'm unclear, however, on exactly what you mean when you talk about freedom. Can you spell out some the freedoms you want us all to have, which ones you only want some of us to have, and which ones no one should have? Do you believe that all freedoms enjoyed by Americans should be delineated by the Constitution? Do you believe the Constitution should be amended to fit modern times, should be interpreted with an understanding that the world has changed and that the concepts are more important than the actual words, or that it should be left as is and interpreted literally? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 27 Jul 11 - 07:22 PM Forget it John... You are way over GfinS's pay grade... She has no idea what "freedom" or "liberty" means... These folks just want their country back... Which country is it that they want back is the real question... The 1959 country before the Civil Right Act or... ...the 1919 country before unions or... ...the 1859 country when slavery was still legal??? I mean, they are clueless about American History in general and ignorant of the meaning of the words that Dick Armey and the Koch brothers have spent hundreds of millions of $$$ to stick in their little heads... Square business... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Jul 11 - 08:47 PM I'm NOT interested in your deceptions and self willed ignorance!..nor your smear and slur tactics, because you never had a 'fact' in the first place..you know it, I know it...and the rest are just being 'polite'. Sawzaw was absolutely correct, like it or not when he posted, "It's important to recognize and identify the patterns of a ritual defamation. Like all propaganda and disinformation campaigns it is accomplished primarily through the manipulation of words and symbols. It is not used to persuade, but to punish. Although it may have cognitive elements, its thrust is primarily emotional. Ritual Defamation is used to hurt, to intimidate, to destroy, and to persecute, and to avoid the dialogue, debate and discussion upon which a free society depends. On those grounds it must be opposed no matter who tries to justify its use. An important rule in ritual defamation is to avoid engaging in any kind of debate over the truthfulness or reasonableness of what has been expressed, only condemn it. To debate opens the issue up for examination and discussion of its merits, and to consider the evidence that may support it, which is just what the ritual defamer is trying to avoid. The primary goal of a ritual defamation is censorship and repression." If you think this is 'representative' of 'so-called liberal' ideology, and methodology, you might need to refresh your understanding of 'Corrupt'. ..and if you wish to 'congratulate' yourselves, for lying, be my guest. You only add more insult to you banal, and childish behavior...and Frankly, I don't give a damn....but you will hear more about this....... Other than that, there is nothing to say to you, or your ilk! I am surprised, and disappointed in Joe for not calling you on your libelous remarks! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 27 Jul 11 - 09:00 PM Yeah, it's always been about attacking Bobert!!! That's all you have... Every time I try to talk policy you attack me... I have quit trying to have a rational conversation with either you or Sawz... All I get back is attack, attack, attack... Sawz stalked me from one web site to another and went way out of his way to attack, attack, attack... Screw ya'll... You wanta talk policy then talk policy... You wanta play attack Bobert, forget it... Homie had enough of that ballgame... Way too much!!! Get lives!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 27 Jul 11 - 09:50 PM Amazing! Still barking! Ain't he just the cutest little thing? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Jul 11 - 10:07 PM Well From what I've seen, and experienced, you made a lot of unsubstantiated statements yourself...and all people are trying to do is to get you to back them up..any of them, but you just ignored the calls to provide any truth to your partisan rantings...which you still have not done...except about how your 90 year old mother re-acted, in her walker when she went to a Tea Party rally...and who knows if that was true or not..who knows??..its only what you allege! Don gets up and posts a bold face lie, and when asked numerous times to back it up and provide the link to the post, that he alleged that I said, he couldn't, or wouldn't do it, as well....and you say WHO is the terrorist organization?????? You're just two peas in a pod. So excuse me, if you gathered the re-action and reputation you got...you WORKED at it!.. ..as for me, I don't give a rat's ass.....but I got you two clocked! Fair enough??....or should we get our knickers in a twist when the 'Republicans' or Tea Partiers preach lies.....you should be immuned!..in fact, as far as it looks, I have to seriously question your sincerity about almost everything you say politically....Little Hawk, cut you a little slack, when he said he thought you had sincere intentions...but that is 'out the door'. How can you take pride and honor, by NOT taking a stand for truth???...and/or siding on the side of an old fart who, as you know, was lying through his teeth??? This is what you stand for??.....Don't even try pumping up your corrupt party affiliations. It's all out front now!!! I'm not even offended, but rather, validated. Sorry and disappointed about you sorry two!...but then, I knew it all along!...You guys just helped me confirm EXACTLY what needed to be confirmed. Now, whenever you think you're making a point, all that is needed to blow you out of the water, is to refer back to this event!...being as you don't provide anything to back up what you spout off about, as well! Have a pleasant evening...sociopaths do what they do, without any conscience...to bug them about their actions...Don's hasn't for a LONG time!!! Honestly, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 27 Jul 11 - 10:29 PM You'll have to forgive GfS. He had a hard childhood. You see, he didn't have a mother. In fact, he was not actually born. He was let. Don Firth |