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Subject: BS: Actions to promote peace From: katlaughing Date: 22 Sep 02 - 10:15 PM Bobert, I haven't the info on the congresspeople, yet, but came across this from a few years ago and thought parts of it might still be helpful as far as suggestions go, so will start with it: "Join others pledging opposition to the war against Iraq in a powerful, pro-active peace movement, promoting a more peaceful and just global community. "'A time has come when silence is betrayal. That time is now.' Martin Luther King Jr." I pledge to take the following action: (check as many as apply) ____ Write a letter to the editor of my newspaper ____ Form a delegation to visit a local newspaper to discuss Iraq coverage ____ Introduce a resolution to my organization or faith community ____ Engage at least one new person in conversation about Iraq: ____ Daily ____ Weekly ____ Call the President to urge him not to wage war in Iraq ____ Call my Congresspeople (Congressional Switchboard 202-224-3121 or individual local numbers) to urge no war on Iraq: ____ every weekday ____ weekly ____ Write a letter to my Congressperson and Senators (to their local offices because of problems in DC mail delivery) weekly. ____ Participate in a public event such as a vigil or picket: ____ weekly ____ monthly ____ Other (please specify, be creative and report your efforts so we can post them)" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: GUEST Date: 22 Sep 02 - 10:19 PM kat, you have written this message as being addressed toward 'Bobert' would it be wrong for anyone else to enter comments? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: katlaughing Date: 22 Sep 02 - 10:30 PM I was responding to a request of his, but of course the thread is open to any and all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Bobert Date: 22 Sep 02 - 10:46 PM Another thing that I would suggest is to bookmark DemocracyNow and keep an eye out on things that are coming up that you might become involved with. This is going to be a long stuggle, folks, and those of you who want to be heard, DemocracyNow is a start. I would hope that anyone who has other links that promote peace thru non-violence will add their sites here on this thread. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: katlaughing Date: 22 Sep 02 - 11:09 PM Here is that site: DemocracyNow |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: JohnnyBGoode Date: 23 Sep 02 - 12:04 AM cat, good idea for a thread conversations about war and peace seems right to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Bobert Date: 23 Sep 02 - 12:10 PM Now, I hear that there is a liitle grumbling on the Senate side. Senator Robert Byrd, from my home state of West Virgina, who is considered to be the "Constitional Scholar" of the US Congress has come out and challenged the *Resolution* that Bush has sent as so far wide sweeping as to threaten the checks and balances of our system. I still do not have the dates for the October protest but will post them as soon as I know them and where the protests will occur. I would hope that, with such little time to mobilize and organize, that the use of the internet will make the difference in getting folks into the streets. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: katlaughing Date: 25 Sep 02 - 04:37 PM I just read an article which said several Democratic congresspeople are eager to have Jimmy Carter and Clinton both get involved in rallying opposition among the populace. They don't feel they can speak up themselves because Daschle and Lieberman are so gung-ho about backing Bush. A few have stuck their necks out and deserve to hear from any of us who support them: Feinstein, Kucinich, Doggett, and Durbin. Please take a moment to let them and your own congresspeople know how you feel. Once a week is a good way of doing so. Thanks, kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: katlaughing Date: 25 Sep 02 - 04:40 PM Sorry, here's the link to where you can contact each of them: http://www.congress.org/ thanks |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: DougR Date: 25 Sep 02 - 04:47 PM Bobert: get your facts straight, my friend. Your Senator (thank God he is yours and not mine)was courting the Union vote in the coming election in his remarks this morning on the Senate Floor. I heard him. It had nothing to do with checks and balances. The senate is arguing whether or not President Bush should be afforded the same rights every president has had since John F. Kennedy. Bush had them before 9-11. He no longer has them. That was the context in which your senator made his remarks. DougR
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Bobert Date: 25 Sep 02 - 06:00 PM I'll have to get back to you on this one, Doug, since all I heard was one or two minutes of Byrd on "DemocracyNow" and that's what he was saying but it may have been out of context, but that what he was saying... Now, folks, there will be a anti-war demonstration this coming Sunday in Washington, D.C.. For those interested in being counted, folks are going to assemble at Dupont Circle at 2:00 pm and march a route that will go by several embassies and end up, fittingly in front of the guy with the biggest drum, Dick Cheney. If you can make it, I'd suggest that you take the subway in because parking and driving in D.C., especially with the folks protesting the IMF in town, is a pain in the butt. See you there. Resist! Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: katlaughing Date: 25 Sep 02 - 06:09 PM Please keep the arguments confined to the other threads. This is a thread for suggestions of ACTIONS which may promote PEACE. Thank you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: DougR Date: 25 Sep 02 - 08:47 PM Brrr. I don't know about you, Bobert, but I feel properly chastised. :>) DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Amos Date: 25 Sep 02 - 10:26 PM Aw chin up, Doug. It's a knack she has! :>) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Bobert Date: 25 Sep 02 - 10:35 PM Hey, Doug. I wasn't gettin' chastized 'cause I was talking about an anit-war protest. Sorry you got yourself in trouble, though. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: katlaughing Date: 25 Sep 02 - 11:17 PM Please click here and read my last posting to see one reply which I received after making my phone calls, today, to the congresspeople whom I listed above. Thanks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: GUEST,Dunkle Date: 26 Sep 02 - 09:02 AM In the FYI department: Here is a letter recently sent to Mr. Bush from the American Friends Service Committee; I offer it for the sentiments expressed, and for how well I find Paul Lacey can turn a phrase; if you're thinking of sending your own letter, this may be of help. Don Houghton
American Friends Service Committee President George W. Bush Dear President Bush: The Board of Directors of the American Friends Service Committee has instructed me to tell you how deeply troubled we are by the impending war with Iraq. As Quaker pacifists we do not presume to instruct you in tactics or strategy, for we are not experts in making war, but we know from experience war's consequences. For 85 years the American Friends Service Committee has worked with helpless victims on all sides in war--feeding children, helping to rebuild bomb-shattered houses and communities, and working with homeless refugees. Since 1948, we have been actively engaged in humanitarian aid to Palestinian refugees in Gaza and the West Bank and in peace-making between Palestinians and Israelis. Service Committee workers have gone in harm's way and seen war face-to-face. It is from that knowledge we address you. The aftermath of war in Iraq, where thousands upon thousands may die or spend the rest of their lives in pain and wretchedness, will be greater unrest in the Middle East and hatred of America for generations to come. A hasty decisiveness is no virtue. "Collateral damage" is a benign-sounding euphemism for warfare's accidental, unintentional harm. But our children and grandchildren, who will live with the collateral damage done to our constitutional rights and to the fabric of trust which sustains public life, will not forgive us because we did not mean to do harm. Harm penetrates no less deeply into our souls and our institutions for being unintended. And it perpetuates no less damage to civil society. We are relieved that you have turned to the United Nations as an instrument for reducing the danger of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and we pray that the Iraqi leadership will cooperate fully with renewed and unfettered weapons inspection. We urge you to give the United Nations time to work, not try to make it a blunt instrument of American power. We are told you want the United Nations to "show some backbone." We respectfully remind you that Jesus always addresses the human heart as the true center of courage, not the backbone. Time, you say, is not on our side, but we believe time is in God's hands and "to redeem the time" means to free the captives and the oppressed, to feed the hungry, relieve the poor, restore justice and practice the arts of reconciliation. In this period of grave peril to the world's safety and to our nation's very soul, many of your most experienced military advisers and statespeople, even the most hard-headed "realists," are warning against a war with Iraq. Each stanza of our great national hymn, "America the Beautiful," turns from celebration of the bounty and strength which God has granted us to a prayer of thanksgiving and petition. In that hymn we pray: "America, America, God mend thy every flaw, confirm thy soul in self- control, thy liberty in law." That prayer is the burden of this letter. The mark of a truly great power is that it exhausts every opportunity of negotiation and diplomacy, bears even the most excessive frustrations and challenges, rather than resort to its military might. For the great power, war is the very last resort, not the exercise of a preemptive option. We urge you, Mr. President, to show us the self-control, patience and long-suffering appropriate to a great power Use the good instruments of international law, international institutions such as the United Nations, World Court and International Court of Justice to resolve our conflict with Iraq. We would welcome the opportunity to explain our views in more substantive detail, if you could grant us that privilege. We are also writing to President Saddam Hussein, U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, and Prime Minister Tony Blair under this same concern. In friendship, Paul Lacey, chairperson
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Bobert Date: 26 Sep 02 - 10:51 AM Thank you Kat and Guest,Dunkle, et al. And I read with interest Rep. Lloyd Doggett's letter and speeches and this morning I am bouyed by a feeling that thru the efforts of millions of people quietly telling their representatives how they feel, that democracy isn't quite dead. The Friends letter that GUEST,Dunkle has shared with us above is a must read and when coupled with Amos's letter to the Iragi people, pretty much says it all. Now, back to what we can and must do *now*... For those of you who can get to Washington, D.C., this Sunday, Sept 29th, there will be a non-violent protest march beginning at 2:00 pm at Dupont Circle. There is a subway stop at Dupont Circle so all you have to do is get to any one of the many suburban subway stations and you're there, no fuss, no muss. For further details go to: www.endthewar.org which I hope Kat can convert to a blue clicky thing here for us. I would alos suggest bookmarking this siote as it will be providing information about other upcoming activities for which you may become involved. October 5-7 are designated "National Days of Action Against the War" and specifics can be found at the above site. Hey, I realize that many of you may have never demonstrated or written letters against a war, but if you feel strongly enough to speak here at Mudcat, then it is your obligation to do what you can. Even if its an email to your folks in D.C. *Please* take a few minutes that you would have used bantering about or talking music to do something *today*. Something. Peace thru nonviolent resistance... And *please, please* read or reread the Friends letter above. Bobert P.S. If anyone is coming to D.C. on Saturday for Sunday's march and needs a place to crash, PM me... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: katlaughing Date: 26 Sep 02 - 11:29 AM Thanks for all of the info and the link, Bobert. Wish I could be there. Guest, Dunkle, thank you very much for that letter; Lacey does turn a phrase well. It's good to know that such as him and the Friends are bending the prez's ear, or at least trying, as well as those of the others. In Peace Profound, kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: GUEST Date: 26 Sep 02 - 11:36 AM Well, we are in it, not because we chose it, but because they did. Now it is our business, as Clausewitz said, to know our enemy. Just who are these people and what is their motive? Historically wars have been fought for political purposes with the object of forcing defined courses of action upon hostile groups. What then is their objective? I cannot believe that even they feel that the enforced conversion of the Western world to Islam is a practical objective. What then is their objective? It seems to be dead infidels. The true believer apparently achieves personal satisfaction and religious merit when he kills an infidel - man, woman or child. This killing achieves no political purpose, but it makes the killer feel good. To fight this kind of an enemy calls for powerful philosophical leadership. We cannot just pick at them. (Remember Machiavelli's dictum that one must never do his enemy a minor injury.) But rather we must bring about a change of thought on their part. That is not easy. We must hope that it is not impossible, but we must reconcile ourselves to its difficulty. I must suppose that the underlying motive in this Holy War is simply envy - the root of all evil. We can punish it, but that will not eradicate it. Here is the consuming problem of the 21st century.
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Bobert Date: 26 Sep 02 - 11:58 AM Yo, GUEST, you are correct in that we can not eradicate differences but we can move mankind a step further down the road toward peaceful resolution. And, yes, we "must reconcile ourselves to its difficulty". Heck no, it won't be easy to stop this war but if we don't then who will? And when? And after how many more wars? Hey, this is our watch, and we must be willing to make the efforts to carve out a new way of dealing with conflict. The movement of people speaking up and offering alternatives that is going on now is unprecidented. The fact that thru the internet millions of folks have let their representatives know their feelings over such a short period of time is *unreal* when compared to how much work it took to mobilize folks during the Vietnam War. Years! But, hey, these are differenet times and the US has different responsibilities and expectations put on it by other nations. We are at a crossraods and blessed with a wonderful opportunity to not only demonstarte the strength of democracy, but to also show a certain humbleness that would go along way toward demonstrating to the world a new order. Can we count on you GUEST, to roll up your sleeves and pitch in in facing what you see as a "consuming problem" thru hard work and communication with others who we may think of as enemies. Bottom line: There's only one planet and we're all in this thing together. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Sandy Paton Date: 26 Sep 02 - 12:59 PM Caroline and I are lobbying for MoveOn.org, calling representatives, senators, friends, associates, etc., urging them to oppose Bush's threatened unilateral action. If we must fight to effect "regime change" in Iraq, let us do it only with a coalition of allies acting with the sanction of the United Nations. To do otherwise is to invite an incredible disaster in the already seething cauldron of the Middle East. Frankly, the nation I was taught to honor and respect is not one that would use it's superior military strength to bring about "regime change" in another sovereign nation. Saddam may be a devil, but he's their devil, and they must deal with him. In the meantime, weapons inspection by the UN team, and continued denial of Saddam's access to materials needed to construct such weapons, pressure from the United Nations, etc., must be the methods employed. War should remain only the last resort. Sandy (thinking of his grandchildren!)
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Bobert Date: 26 Sep 02 - 01:04 PM Thanks for the site, Sandy. Maybe Joe Offer will come along and put the blue clicky thing to it. If not, Kat will. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: GUEST Date: 26 Sep 02 - 01:12 PM Dear Bobert. You can count on me to defend the sanctity of human life; if that requires me to fight I shall do so. If we can move other people/nations/religions to remove the insane violent enemy threat by peacefull means I am your man too. Human history dictates that we shall have to extract this cancerous growth painfully, and with some agression, before international justice and human rights prevail. The war on terror is not a war on terror at all. Terror isn't an enemy, it's a feeling. Your terror is what the enemy wants you to feel. Describing our efforts in terms of an emotional abstraction not only obscures the face of our adversary, but the nature of our mission. The enemy in this is the radical Islamist who argues that all non-believers in their faith must be killed. Religious wars have been with us for a very long time, and they certainly are more complex than the wars of nations or dynasties. I do not see that we as a nation are properly instructed in the nature of this one. The aim of the Palestinians is to erase Israel, as they have often said in both Arabic and English. That aspect of the current conflict is clear enough, but once a bunch of crazy Saudis blows up major office buildings on the other side of the world from their specific interests, killing thousands of people who did not even know that they were at risk, it becomes our principle and immediate problem to locate and identify the physical enemy. Those people we can kill. Their notion - that we are "kaffirs" and thus worthy of death under all circumstances - is, of course, a psychological problem rather than a military one. Those people on the other side seem to do a great deal of praying. Let us pray that their god will show them the error of their ways so that, pending that time, we can get them out in the open where they may serve as proper targets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: katlaughing Date: 26 Sep 02 - 02:49 PM GUEST, you already said the same thinghere. Please keep the debating in those other threads, rather than this one, as previously requested. Thank you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Bobert Date: 26 Sep 02 - 03:28 PM Yo, GUEST,StuckRecord. Repeating a lie often enough does not make it true. You are *of the opinion* that Palestinians want to erase Isreal. You speak as if you have spoken with every Palestinian, but we both know that you haven't. The implication is just plainly, incorrect. And you are not a spokeman for the Palenstianian people. I would agree with you about terror being a feeling and would suggest that, in the manner in which folks are loosly useing the term, that people right here in the US have also been terrorized by *supposed* freedom loving citizens. I think the examples are many. Ask just about any black man or woman. Or ask any of the folks who are on the other side of isle, who have been demonized for their views. Ask the folks whoes lives were ruined by Joe McCarthy. Yes, history is replete with examples of man's failures to move manking further down the road toward civility. At some point in time mankind will have to accept the notion that war is the ultimate failure. As long as there a re powerful people who own leaders who profit from war, this won't happen until they are exposed. I'm thinking that time is now. The war that Bush ahs been poundin a drum for isn't about Islam. It's about power and money. It's about politics and greed. It has very little to do with Saddam, who in the past was our allie and who was all but given a green light to take Kuwait. And who profited from that war, GUEST? Hmmmmmmm? If you'd take half the energy following that money trail as you do trying to demonize Islam, you'd perhaps find that good guy/bad guy thinking of yours isn't really yours at all. Yeah, there are a lot of magicans out there with their smoke and mirrors. You gotta watch both hands, GUEST. Don't be a one trick pony in their ring. Think for yourself. Find the gray between the black and white. Find goodness where you see nothing but evil. Free yourself.... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: GUEST Date: 26 Sep 02 - 08:27 PM Bobert, Go study history (both curent and ancient) then get of your high horse and go see for yourself. I have been there, done that and bought the Tee shirt... If you saw the indoctrination and malignant side of Islamic extremism as I have you would be more afraid than you are. Apparently you people will just spout rhetoric and cry peace (which you may do because others fight on your behalf) pray God you dont meet these extremists on their field, because if you do you will be dead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: GUEST Date: 26 Sep 02 - 08:42 PM Kat. Please limit the number of threads on the same subject and i'll be delighted to respond to one only. Apparently you dont like opposing viewpoints? But then you have such a high oppinion of yourself and your views that tolerance of others doesnt rate very highly. Carry on dictating to others, I pay no attention to it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Troll Date: 26 Sep 02 - 08:51 PM Guest, American Peace Activists NEVER come into contact with people like the Islamic extremists unless it is at a peace march or anti-war fund raiser, in which any extremists present are on their best behavior. Their lives are sacrosanct because their cause is just. Besides, it's bad strategy to kill those whom you find useful. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: GUEST,Clint Keller Date: 26 Sep 02 - 09:14 PM The second most damaging terrorist attack on the US was by a crew-cut born-in-the-USA ex-serviceman who was, I believe, not an Islamic extremist. Clint |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Bobert Date: 26 Sep 02 - 09:48 PM GUEST: You take your extremeist, and probably white, ass on down into NorthEsat Washingotn, D.C. about 2:00 am on a hot Saturday night an see if you come our bragging all that "been there" crap. If you'd "been there" with your rightous-know-it-all attitude your "T-shire" would be looking more like Swiss Cheeze. Yeah, you ordered the T-Shirt. Get real. You can fool yourself with your dogmatic and racist hatred of Isalmic people, but you are not fooling me. I mean, get real... You want me to go kill Islamic people because they are alll the same? You think they are all extremists? Do you really believe that, my poor duped fellow Earthling? Do you. You want to find an extremist? Look in the mirror, GUEST! And don't do no more preachin' about how you did this or did that, 'cause you ain't done nuthin for your fellow man but preach hatred... Screw you and Osoma. You're both the same...... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Troll Date: 27 Sep 02 - 06:52 AM Thank you Bobert, for that calm and reasoned argument. If thats the way you argue cases in court, it's a wonder you haven't starved. Just for the record, you don't win any converts with that kind of inflamatory rhetoric- either Guest or anyone else. Or are you at the point where anyone who doesn't agree with your POV is a bigot and a racist? If so, the anti-war movement is in real trouble. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Bobert Date: 27 Sep 02 - 09:09 AM troll: Sometimes you just have to shake your robe a little harder to get the dust off. I have been diddling with GUEST fir several days now on two or three sites and all he or she has done is preach racism while I have put up one argument after another. BTW, I'm not an attorney, but do represent my business pro sea in court and win almost all the time. But then again, I know all the judges, and just as important, the clerks of the court and always make small talk with 'em on the street. And just one other thing which I'm sure you know allready. There are wolves in sheep clothing in the anti-war movement who preach violence and racism and like Mathew said, "there are no secrets that will not one day be public knowledge". So when I sniff one of these infiltrators, I blow my whistle a little harder... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: GUEST Date: 27 Sep 02 - 09:52 AM So Bobert... anyone who doesnt follow your views is a Nazi Racist Right Wing Bigot? Interesting indeed. I have heard all this before; and many of my Palestinian Israeli African, Indian, Pakistani friends and business associates really enjoy reading it. thank you for confirming what I already know. You sit in relative safety and spout your so called Peace rhetoric, from a viewpoint that only you, and your clan are righteous. Reminds me of one Adolph Hitler and Company. Peace is the goal of all nations. There is not one decent human being who would have otherwise. I have no desire to wish harm on any race or religion. Had justice prevailed, and international law been upheld, non of the present conditions would have existed. Implementing a form of democracy in certain countries in the Middle East, and most of Africa, will take much time, education, physical effort, and money. How much have you contributed so far? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Bobert Date: 27 Sep 02 - 11:13 AM GUEST: You got more wiggle-waggle in you than a snake. Now, because I tell you to take you single-mindedness and stuff it, I'm now a Nazi and Hitler, is that right. You say you have friends who are Palestinians and you say that all Palestinians want Isreal "erased". Hmmmmmm? A man is judged by the company he keeps. So your friends, but not you, ahhh, want Isreal "erased"? Hey, pal, your word, not mine. Or maybe you too want Isreal "erased". Hmmmmm? Is that so? You're not making a whole lot of sense here.... Let's go over yout position one more time for the record: 1. Palestinians want Isreal "erased". 2. You have friends who are Palestinians. 3. then, your friends want Isreal "erased". Is that it, other than you unwillingness to look beyond Islam as the root of the conflict, with no other factors coming into play? Well, that's the story you've been telling now for days. One problem, and now I read on another thread that the solution is to take out Saddam and his regime. Hey, how about the other Islamis folks? What about them? You think they're all going to become Christains overnight because Bush kills of Saddam? You story lacks credibility. Your lummping all people of Islamic Faith into this evil mass of people who just want to go around erasing other nations is no mpore accurate than lumping all Christains as anti-abortion, pro capital punishment war mongering hypocrits. You need to look at individuals as individuals, GUEST. Now, this may come as a big surprise to you but I have friends of Islamic faith from both Palestine and Pakistan and they don't share youir friend's views. Hmmmmmm? Like I said, one is judged by the company one keeps. Sounds like you got yourself surrounded by extremeist but then that doesn't make any sense since you want Bush to go off and kill extremist? A bundle of contridictions.... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: DougR Date: 27 Sep 02 - 02:48 PM Bobert: You don't believe the official position of the Palestinian Authority is that they would like to see Israel disappear? My, I do believe you are part of a much larger minority than I ever imagined. I don't believe that all Palestians, Saudi Arabians, Iranians, all Muslims, all Islamics are causing the current problems. I do believe that the religious extremists of the Muslim faith ARE, however. Someone in this thread reminded us of the tragedy in Oklahoma City. The point being, I assume, that not all terrorists originate in the Middle East. Extremists are not limited to any "one" sector of the world's population. That's what it shows me. Bobert: Continued, but thread creep. Your statement about the justice system in your home state does not offer much consolation to someone looking to receive fairness and justice in your courts. If they knew that their adversary won his cases by chatting up the "Judges and clerks of the court", they might feel they are not playing on a very level field. :>) DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: DougR Date: 27 Sep 02 - 02:51 PM Oops! I posted to a thread that I promised kat I would not respond on. Sorry kat. I guess I'm not the only one though. :>) DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy Date: 27 Sep 02 - 03:19 PM great song for everyone to learn and sing is Schooner Fare's "We the People" see 'Lyric Add: We the People Schooner Fare' thread |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: katlaughing Date: 27 Sep 02 - 06:35 PM It's okay, DougeR! I gave up! So much for promoting Peace, eh?:-) THANK YOU, Bill Kennedy! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Bobert Date: 27 Sep 02 - 06:51 PM Doug: I win my court battles because I am prepared. Most judges do not have patience with most pro sea representatives, but as I've been reping for my company for 18 years before the same judges, it doesn't hurt that they know that I know my way around. Hey, they are not corrupt judges and deciding cases based on the fact that I say "hey" to them in the streets, it's because I always have my documents in order. As for the clerks, it's nice to know that my case is going to be called early so I don't loose an entire day. Hey, that helps the defendant also because they won't loose a day either. And lastly, Doug, my business is not located in Wes Ginny but in the Republican dominated Loudoun Co., Virgina. They don't even put Democrats on the ballots for local offices. It's just assumed that everyone is a Repub. Yep, all the judges, and Board of Supervisors, the Leesburg Town Council... all Repubs... But, bottom line, your Repub. judges rule in my favor 90% of the time, even though I'm right 100% of the time... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: GUEST Date: 28 Sep 02 - 01:28 AM Bobert, What do you really do for a living? I am sure if you are involved in the judicial system, we are truly fucked... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: DougR Date: 28 Sep 02 - 01:57 AM Now Guest, behave yourself. Bobert: I am shocked! Grieved! I had no idea that the judicial practices of bygone days were still practiced in WV or VA for that matter. A wink and a nudge, huh? As an avowed Liberal, I would think that you sleep restlessly knowing that an important court case might be decided on the basis of whether Ole Bopert was liked or disliked. It causes me to wonder about the whole judicial system! And Democrats (who temporarily control the U. S. Senate) feel they are doing the country a favor by not approving well qualified candidates for federal judge positions appointed by our current president? Candidates who refuse to legislate from the bench? Judges that feel their responsiblity is to interpret the law, not make it? It boggles the mind, so to speak. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: DougR Date: 28 Sep 02 - 02:00 AM kat: Nice of you to be so accommodating. I guess it's impossible to have a pure thread, as much as one might wish to. Some loud mouth like me is bound and determined (though not always maliciously) post regardless of the intent of the poster. Doug |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Bobert Date: 28 Sep 02 - 08:36 AM LOL, GUEST and Doug: Howz about you two starting your own thred on the judical system. This thread is about "promoting peace". And I'm guilty myself of responding to the question. Sorry, Kat... Back to promoting peace, My 17 years old son *is* going with me tomorrow to the D.C. Peace march. I'll get a few pics for ya, Kat. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: GUEST,Stephen L. Rich Date: 28 Sep 02 - 06:54 PM I'm on a friend's computer which is why I'm on as a guest, but, Kat, that is a very useful and productive list. Let's all follow through on, at least, one or two items each and a multitude shall be heard!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: GUEST,Walking Eagle Date: 29 Sep 02 - 05:22 PM Some of our church members have requested ( as a group ) a meeting with Sen. Arlen Specters' legislative aide. Group action speaks louder than a single voice, unfortunately. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Bobert Date: 29 Sep 02 - 09:15 PM Kat, Stephen L. Rich, Walking Eagle, et al. Oh, *bless* you all. The way we're gonna stop the war machine is throwing one wrench into the works at a time. Hey, when you think it took 6 years to mobilize against the Vietnam War, we are way ahead of the game BUT we are gonna really ahve to send that extra letter ot email over the next week. I cannot over emphasize how important that email or telephone call is!!!!! Today in London, I am told and maybe some of our UK Catters can confirm, some 400,000 folks assembled to tell Tony Blair to take Bushes war and stick it! In Italy, 100,000. The world is saying "NO" and it's time for Americans to keep up the pressure in any way that they can. There is a serious *lie* being told loudly and often to the the American people with a very sick man who is being led by Satan and who left to his devices is gonna get a lot of innocent people killed. A general speaking recently said that fighting in Iraq will be like watching the last 15 minutes of "Saving Private Ryan". Urbamn Warfare with lots and lots and lots of women and children killed by Apache helicopters firing on apartment buildings and lots of G.I.'s dieing in the streets and in tghe ahll ways of buildings. You kids, your bothers, your fathers, your next door neighbor or his kid. Hey, make the calls. Sent the emails. If you can make it to D.C. October 12th, be here and be counted. Do something todat to be counted. We can stop the war machine if we don't get comlacient. If we don't get lazy. If we just reach way down and do what we each can do... So, please, please, please, just send do one thing today to be heard. This insanity must be stopped. Peace thru resistence. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Troll Date: 30 Sep 02 - 06:57 AM "There is a serious *lie* being told loudly and often to the the American people with a very sick man who is being led by Satan and who left to his devices is gonna get a lot of innocent people killed. A general speaking recently said that fighting in Iraq will be like watching the last 15 minutes of "Saving Private Ryan". Urbamn Warfare with lots and lots and lots of women and children killed by Apache helicopters firing on apartment buildings and lots of G.I.'s dieing in the streets and in tghe ahll ways of buildings. You kids, your bothers, your fathers, your next door neighbor or his kid. " Proof please. Proof that Bush is sick and being led by Satan. Proof that we would be fighting house-to-house (that's only ONE of a number of scenarios). If this is the kind of argument you make in court... Well, I don't think you'd be employed much longer. Are you so in contempt of the intelligence of others that you think that all you need is rhetoric to galvanize the masses? Again I say, wheres the proof? troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: Bobert Date: 30 Sep 02 - 11:26 AM Troll: Where's your proof? Where was your proof in 1963? Tell ya' what, pal, I'll strat listening to your war drumbeat when you come back here with proof that you have enlisted, or your son has enlisted in the US Marines or Army. You are nothin' more than a spokesman for the military industrial complex. You want to huff-n-puff and send our kids to kill and be killed just to get your little jollies. Yeah, where is your proof? There are better ways to solve differences than what the military-industrialists want. I find it real intersting, that a lot of folks who are retired military-industrialist are saying no to your not so little war. Hmmmmmm? Wonder what that means? Lastly, though you remain anonoymous, you just keep this thought in mind. A lot of folks are warning you that the stove is hot. Touch it or touch it not... You'll have to live with yourself... There *is* a final accounting... Whose God are you hearing, troll? Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Actions to promote peace From: DougR Date: 30 Sep 02 - 12:39 PM Geeze, Bobert! Troll has been a mudcatter longer, I believe, than you have! One thing I will never understand, Bobert, is how those of you who share your POV profess to be so liberal in your thinking (not saying you are a political liberal!)but have no tolerance for anyone whose viewpoints differ from yours. And PULEESE, do not elevate Ted Kennedy from Senator to a General. It was Senator Ted Kennedy not a General that made that remark about the "Saving Private Ryan" movie in a speech last week at a University in, I believe, Washington D. C. You folks are so quick to quote anyone and anything you hear or read that favors your cause, whether it is accurate or not. Other than that, how was the March? I didn't see a lot of coverage in the main stream press or cable. No doubt because they are all controlled by the "Military Industrial Complex." :>) DougR |