BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Elspeth
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 07:27 PM

of cours ehtinking purely of safe sex here...do you think the high levels of STIs in homosexuals could be because they don;t have the worry of pregnancy? I mean if you don;t have to use protection to prevent an unwanted pregnancy it's not as high on the list. Or maybe it's just that men sleep around more and in a hpomosexual paring there isn;t a woman there gonna flip out about not using protection cos she doens;t want to get pregnant? Did it occur to you that perhaps if hetero couples weren;t so concerned about pregnancy the levels of STIs would sky rocket?
Also are you aware of the HIV/AIDS levels in some areas of Africa? The colossal numbers of AIDS orphans? You don't get orphans from homosexual pairings obviously. So what does that tell you about the spread of STIs there?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Elspeth
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 07:30 PM

just scrolling through and realized that Don T said a lot of what I just said further up the page...didn't see Ake admitting anything though.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 07:47 PM

""just scrolling through and realized that Don T said a lot of what I just said further up the page...didn't see Ake admitting anything though.""

No!....And you won't see any admissions in the future, either.

Ake has three hard wired postures:-

1. He fawns all over everyone who agrees with him (yes, both of them), congratulating them on their superior intellect and insight.

2. He ignores all questions which he finds impossible to answer in a manner which supports his prejudice.

3. Those who persistently expose the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of his arguments, he categorises as deluded idiots, promoters of whatever he happens to be decrying at the time, or liberal fascists, whatever that is.

He is consistently biased, mistaken, and blinded by his prejudice, but he is never, never, wrong!......According to him, that is.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 08:42 PM

Game, set, and match.

Case closed.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Jan 10 - 05:41 PM

Some are from birth, something they got from the mother....we can admit that....
Though some, it is not 'genetic'....we can admit that.
Some, 'acquire' it along the way....we can admit that.
Most likely, they seek out others, who have the same inclinations...we can admit that.
Sometimes, they spread disease, by what they do, and some are more careful....we can admit that.
Most don't like to hear that it is, or maybe 'wrong'...we can admit that.
Most think it feels better, than without....we can admit that.
Most of those who 'acquired' it along the way, are more defensive about it, than those who are born 'with the need'....we can admit that.
Most have to hide, and be secretive about it...though it usually shows through...we can see that.
Many feel they can't change....we can see that.
Many want government programs to help them with the health issues...we can admit that.
Many think that it is a civil rights issue, they can be allowed to do it, if they want....we can see that.
Many have advocates to support that issue...we can see that.
Many think it is not a detriment to society at large, so don't feel they should be looked down upon....we can see that.
Many feel that as long as they are doing it, they should be able to have families, as if it didn't matter....we can admit that.
Many think it makes them liberated, and higher than others...we can see that.
Some think they can see more onto a wider spectrum of things, so it makes them more artistic....we can see that.
Some actually think they are more intelligent, because of it...we can see that.
Many don't see any reason to stop, and feel that being not accepted because of it makes them an exclusive minority.......we can admit that.....
So what's all the fuss????
I mean why all the 'discrimination' about it all??
They are as wise as the next person, aren't they???...
So wise, that they aren't 'prejudiced' are they???
They are open minded about it, and other things aren't they??
Again, why all the fuss???....I mean if they want to do it, why not???
Oh you wise and 'hip' ones.....
I'm talking about heroin addicts.....any preconceived similarities, must be just in YOUR head!
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: olddude
Date: 02 Jan 10 - 05:46 PM

DON'T FEED TROLLS PLEASE

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Jan 10 - 06:18 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guiest from Sanity
Date: 02 Jan 10 - 06:21 PM

olddude:
"DON'T FEED TROLLS PLEASE"

You're right, I won't!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jan 10 - 09:50 AM

Corruption and repression — including violence against women and children and abuse of prisoners — are rife in Uganda. According to The Times's Jeffrey Gettleman, officially sanctioned homophobia is particularly acute. Gay Ugandans are tormented with beatings, blackmail, death threats and what has been described as "correctional rape."

The government's venom is chilling: "Homosexuals can forget about human rights," James Nsaba Buturo, who holds the cynically titled position of minister of ethics and integrity, said recently.

What makes this even worse is that three American evangelical Christians, whose teachings about "curing" gays and lesbians have been widely discredited in the United States, helped feed this hatred. Scott Lively, Caleb Lee Brundidge and Don Schmierer gave a series of talks in Uganda last March to thousands of police officers, teachers and politicians in which, according to participants and audio recordings, they claimed that gays and lesbians are a threat to Bible-based family values.

Now the three Americans are saying they had no intention of provoking the anger that, just one month later, led to the introduction of the Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009. You can't preach hate and not accept responsibility for the way that hate is manifested.

We don't have much hope that they will atone for their acts. But right now the American government, and others, should make clear to Uganda that if this legislation becomes law, it will lose millions of dollars in foreign aid and be shunned globally. NYT

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Jan 10 - 11:50 AM

There are few things as scary as people who are convinced they are right.

Scott Lively

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 11:47 PM

Ebbie:"There are few things as scary as people who are convinced they are right."

From Ebbie's Post:"It should be no surprise, therefore, that modern Ugandans are very unhappy that homosexual political activists from Europe and the United States are working aggressively to re-homosexualize their nation. Ugandan citizens report a growing number of foreign homosexual men coming to their country to turn desperately poor young men from the slums into their personal houseboys, and that some girls in public schools have being paid to recruit others into lesbianism."

Ebbie, you are absolutely correct...Great post!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 02:51 AM

I believe in the rights of homosexuals, but there are things I wonder about. I tried to convince my Rwandan priest friend that homosexual marriage wasn't such a bad idea, and he got quite distressed. He says there is a deep-seated taboo against homosexuality in most parts of Africa, that it isn't acceptable in any way. Now, my friend is very tolerant about most things, but he just couldn't imagine homosexuality being acceptable.

What right do we Westerners have to impose our "enlightened" views on African culture? Yes, discrimination against homosexuals is an injustice, but how far are we allowed to interfere with other cultures? As I understand it, the taboos against homosexuality existed in Africa long before Christianity arrived there.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 03:26 AM

I had sworn not to enter this thread again, as everything useful had been said, and it was only been kept alive, primarily, by the incessant bigoted crowing of GfS.

Joe's point does reqire a response, I feel, so here are three thoughts.

(a) The person to taled to, Joe, is not just from Africa but also, as you say, a priest. His views about African attitudes to sexuality are thus filtered through a religious conditioning that also represents a Western 'imposition' on to African culture; your question, Joe, about the relationship between Western & African cultures also needs to bear in mind that Christianity is also an 'import', and one intimately connected with colonialism.

(b) Even though almost all Anglo/Americans, me in this post included, do it, it is risky to speak about 'African' culture or attitudes or beliefs. The continent of Africa contains vast numbers of cultures and their beliefs are not collapsible into a single 'African' viewpoint. Is your priest friend fully knowledgeable about every culture in every epoch on that continent ?('Western' and 'European' are also risky generlisations, of course.)

(c) Whatever we think about this, in recent decades the models of homosexual identity developed in Western cultures have become influential in non-Western cultures (this applies not just to the African context). Those who wish to live their lives as people identifying as 'gay' can look to Western cultures and see templates to aspire towards. I don't deny that this causes conflict, in some cases, with longer-established value systems (by which I emphatically do NOT mean Christianity). But we can't turn the clock back and say to those people 'bad luck, you have to give up your hopes of living in a particular way because of your cultural background'.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 04:25 AM

"What right do we Westerners have to impose our "enlightened" views on African culture?"

The civil rights campaign seeks to impose nothing on anyone.

It seeks to remove impositions from a group who are denied the same civil rights as evryone else.

I don't understand why the attempt to protect people from discrimination is painted as a fictional attempt to 'convert' people.

This is the same misconception that leads people to talk about the "promotion" of homosexuality.

Such a promotion does not exist.

What does exist is the refusal to allow an increasingly small minority of heterosexuals to discriminate against homosexuals and subject them to violence and lives of shame and misery.

We did not accept Apartheid in south Africa.

Should we have allowed apartheid on the basis that it was south Africas internal affairs?

What about the human rights of citizens of Zimbabwe today?

In particular opponents of Mugabe?

Should we accept that African culture is just that way and we are wrong to impose our values on Zimbabweans?

Why is wishing to protect the human right of homosexuals different to protecting the human rights of political dissidents?

Besides which, if we do decide that we are wrong to "impose" our values, then what are we saying about our view of Africans?

Do we imply that we need to accept that Africans are just different and that we shouldn't expect people like Mugabe or Idi Amin to comply with our western dogma of human rights?

Does it follow that the rulers under Apartheid were right to segregate their society in recognition of these differences.

Joe, your rationale opens up a very dangerous can of worms.

And the answer to the questions I have asked above is a very resounding NO!.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Penny S.
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 05:34 AM

I have a concern about this issue as a hidden driver behind a new news item about events in Uganda. Suddenly it is news that in that country there is a considerable trade in human - usually child - sacrifice in order to gain benefits from traditional spirits or deities.

Now I don't like that, in exactly the same way that I don't like the imposition of penalties, including death, on homosexuals.

But this has been going on some time without notice being taken. So why has it surfaced as an issue now?

And polygamy is in the news, too. But that's all right, because it is traditional.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 02:24 PM

I may be mistaken (Ebbie can correct me if I am) but it appears to me that GfS missed the point that Ebbie was making.

I believe Scott Lively of the "Pro-Family Resource Center" is the "scary person" she is referring to. Lively is spreading a lot of pretty vicious anti-homosexual propaganda, and GfS is underscoring and endorsing it.

I believe that the heinous motives that GfS ascribes to homosexuals and to those whom s/he considers to be promoters of homosexuality speaks volumes about him/her.

Among psychiatrists, that's called "projection," counselor.

Physician, heal thyself!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 12:41 AM

Not at all. Don, I knew what she was saying...she wanted us to believe only parts of the post, and to have an implied bias against the author, who hasn't said anything scary in the post, at all...nor has anything been shown to convince even the most impartial observer that Lively was speaking a lie, or anything whatsoever, that is unfair...and I know what 'projection' is, Don....stop projecting!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Penny S.
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 04:58 AM

I think that, in an apparently reasonably written piece, given the author's obvious bias, the claim that there are homosexuals actively proselytising in Uganda is very scarey.

If it is true, it is scarey, and needs evidence and opposition. If it is false, it is scarey, and needs exposing as false.

None of the homosexuals I know have behaviours like this. Small sample, I know.

What is described seems more like the attested behaviour of paedophiles targeting either males or females, and regarding non-Western areas as places for predation.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 05:04 AM

Penny, I'm not sure whether you're aware of GfS' track record. S/he is virulently, implacably hostile to any even vaguely pro-gay comments or outlooks. You'll be wasting your time trying to put rational arguments, as her/his sole reason for contributing to threads like this one is to parade her/his frighteningly entrenched and vindictive loathing of homosexuals.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Penny S.
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 05:21 AM

Actually, I realise I wasn't clear about who I was referring to - it was Scott Lively's piece that had reasonable writing in it.

I recognise the attitude and agenda of GfS. I never describe users of caps as reasonable. Or those who claim to represent sanity.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 05:42 AM

Ok, but be warned GfS will be after you at the hour when their coffin lid creaks open & they rise to stalk the earth.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 06:04 AM

Penny,

"the claim that there are homosexuals actively proselytising in Uganda is very scarey"

The claim that there is an axe murderer hiding behind your computer desk is scarey.

But it has nothing to do with reality.


Besides which, how does a homosexual proseletyze?


'Roll up roll up - people of uganda have you considered homosexuality?'


Or maybe its "alright darling, fancy a shag?"


And what are we assuming about the nationality of the homosexual doing the proseletyzing?


Is he from Europe or Africa?


I once spent some time in Ghana, and while I lived there I stayed at the lavish home of a very powerful guy who tendered privately for infrastructure regeneration projects throughout Africa.


He pontificated at length on many subjects, but one of his hoobby horses was the idea that homosexuality was a european import to Africa that had never previously existed there.


This is obviously utter bollocks. They just keep a very very low profile.


It is basically the same view expressed in the "lively" article above.


I first heard it in 2008 so it is an OLD myth.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 06:59 AM

When my wife and I worked in China in the late 1980s, a Chinese colleague [female] similarly assured us that there was no homosexuality in China. This is a known phenomenon in countries where it is not acceptable.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 07:04 AM

Can't believe this for/against the death penalty for homosexuality is still running.
Professor Challenger was right - dinosaurs still do walk the earth.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 08:28 AM

"This is a known phenomenon in countries where it is not acceptable."

Excuse the liberty MtheGM, I know what you meant, but I thought I should clarify your meaning as follows:

This is a known phenomenon in countries where it is not accepted.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 08:45 AM

Indeed Lox - I apologise for clumsy form of expression.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 09:37 AM

.........just listening beeb news about Ulster's First Minister's wife, also a member of Ulster parliament, describing homosexuality as 'an abomination'

She should be sacked [IMO]!!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 12:55 PM

Be very careful in your terminology lads.......we're just waiting for that fatal slip!      :0)

Prats!!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Den
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 12:59 PM

What about Iris Robinson, she made a view comments earlier this year.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 02:04 PM

"Be very careful in your terminology lads.......we're just waiting for that fatal slip!"

No not really, MtheGM has no history of consistently expressing and then unapologetically defending homophobic and Racist political viewpoints.

My purpose was to ensure his copmments could not be misused by either you, GfS or the other troll.

"Prats"

I take it you're argument has been so comprehensivwly demolished that that is all you have to offer.

Never mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 06:08 AM

It appears that Iris, wife of the first minister of Northern Ireland, Peter Robinson, at the same time as declaring that homosexuality was 'an abomination', was 'putting it about as if it was going out of fashion'.
For centuries the church, declared homosexuality a 'mortal sin' and dictated moral values to the world, while their clergymen (and women) were running the world's largest and most protected paedophile ring and raping and abusing their way through their parishoners' children. Their superiors stood on the sidelines blessing them with their inaction and assisting them if they got into difficulties.
Perhaps if we all stood by own own beds instead of trying to look into other peoples' the world might be a better place to live in.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Penny S.
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 12:12 PM

Lox, I meant that about the claim of proselytising in the same sense as that of the axe murderer. There is no evidence for this, is there? On the other hand, making the claim is also scarey.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 01:29 PM

The not-very-pro-gay brigade who have 'proselytising' as one of their recurring fears never really answer the question that goes:

if heterosexuality is as wondrous, and homosexuality as vile, as you so evidently and sincerely believe, why on earth would anyone be persuaded to 'jump ship' from the former to the latter ?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 02:01 PM

Jim Carroll....I can hardly believe you wrote that!

All I know about Mrs Robinson, is that she had a short affair with a young man.
You claim that she was "putting it about as if it was going out of fashion".....I take it that means Mrs Robinson was a "tramp", an immoral person, sexually promiscuous, or any one of the phrases some men use to demean women.
If this had been a man and a young lady it would hardly make two lines.....double standards and why bring it up in this context?

Sex outwith marriage will always be part of life.....its just nature at work......totally different from homosexual practice with all its associated problems, which have been well documented here

What has any womans normal sex life, to do with their views on homosexual practice?
Men and women are designed to have sex together and will continue to do so as long as humanity is to survive....nothing abnormal there

I would suggest you are attempting to blacken this womans character by highlighting a marital mistake that any of us may have been guilty of. We dont even know about the womans state of mind, some say she had been receiving treatment for depression.

There must be a word for people like you in the "liberal" handbook
Shouldn't take you long to find it.....It'll be on the dog eared page, containing homophobe, bigot,etc!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 03:37 PM

"Jim Carroll....I can hardly believe you wrote that!"
Oh, please believe it!
Mrs Robinson pontificated on the morality of others while having an extra-marital affair. It transpires that she then, without declaring it to Parliament, as she was obliged to do, borrowed £50,000 from 2 businessmen to give to her lover (payment for services rendered?).
Her husband is now resisting demands for his resignation.
I have no interest whatever in Mr or Mrs Robinson's politics nor her morality other than her role as a hypocrite in daring to judge that of others - that is what "their views on homosexual practice?" have to do with me; their taking advantage of their priveliged position in society in order to condemn the behaviour of others.
I find your somewhat overblown outrage, taken with YOUR inclination to judge the morality of others both interesting and entertaining!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: M.Ted
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 03:52 PM

Guest from Sanity--I thought that you were talking about Bluegrass pickers--

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 05:20 PM

"putting it about as if it was going out of fashion".....Your words!!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 05:25 PM

Cuucuucachuu, Mrs. Robinson. Jesus loves you more than you can know.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 05:26 PM

"Services rendered" so she's a prostitute as well?

Where the fuck is the Sisterhood when you really need them :0)

Come on girls, forget supporting "homosexual rights"...we've got a real live male chauvanist here, dissin' one of the sisters because she took a young lover.....bite the balls off him!!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 05:42 PM

Ake, I believe the question at this point not male chauvanism, but hypocracy, n'est-ce pas?

You have a real talent for getting the wrong end of the stick.

(Just dropped by to see how this thread is regressing. Returning now to the real world.)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 08:18 PM

'akenaton'
I have become very tired of mealy-mouthed moralists like yourself telling me what is 'normal' 'moral' or 'right'
Now you appear to be saying that marital infidelity by people who use their position in society to obtain large sums of money to pay for their 'little weaknesses, after having told us how we should behave, is fine as long as it is by people who are "normal" - ie not "an abomination" (that's how the lady described homosexuality - pretty much the same as you have).
The lady paid her lover - not the other way round; nothing to do with her being a prostitute - please pay attention.
I'm sure your 'normal' friends are very grateful for your undying support - especially as you have appeared to tip-toe around the financial shenanigans involved in this fascinating affair.
Methinks - the homophobe doth protest too much!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 03:45 AM

Don:'Ake, I believe the question at this point not male chauvanism, but hypocracy, n'est-ce pas?'

Interesting..(scratches head)..Don, don't you realize that that is one of the most deflective and projective things you've said?? You, who claim to go to a Christian church, and are a self declared expert on the Bible, meet two(or was it three..who cares?) EX-homosexuals, and you think they are not for real, about it because they claim that they were 'born again', and renounced homosexuality??..I mean, that's pretty strange, to think you go to a church, and worship a God, who is powerless to change lives?!?!?!? So, are you being a hypocrite in church, or on here??
Same with Joe Offer, he meets an ex-homosexual, who won't even talk about the lameness he came out of(homosexuality), and marries a woman, and you refuse to believe, that God can do that??
I've met three, and Dr. Cohen is another, whose son graduated as a medical student and delivers a speech to his graduating class, that his father USED TO BE a homosexual, and again, you think that can't happen??...and you have the gall to accuse another of being a hypocrite????
Just think about it. I don't need to elaborate. You're of legendary intellect, in your own mind, you figure the flaw the trip you're on. Hunt deep within yourself, and figure out what doesn't fly.
And don't bother trying to 'ennoble' your position. I'm almost laughing so hard, I can barely type!
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mousethief
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 03:51 AM

What an interesting thread. Homophobes, theophobes, random nonsense posters, and a few quiet voices of reason.

We'd like to know a little bit about you for our files
We'd like to help you learn to help yourself
Look around you, all you see are sympathetic eyes
Stroll around the grounds until you feel at home

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 04:36 AM

Cool logo mousethief.

Jim... the "finanancial shenanigans" if proved, have nothing wharever to do with Mrs Robinsons views on homosexuality!

You have said that she is extremely promiscuous and that she "pays" for sex.....without any evidence to back up these assertions.

This makes pretty clear, your view of women in general.


Go get him girls!!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 04:42 AM

Hi Akenaton, nice to see you're still on, at the same time!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 05:20 AM

"This makes pretty clear, your view of women in general."
How; are you claiming that all married women have extra marital affairs? - I'm certainly not.
Don't really expect an answer to this .
You have implied that marital infidelity and political/financial wheeler-dealing (or are we all in a position to attain loans of that size) are preffereable to a stable homosexual relationship.
Says everything that needs to be said about your world
And those prices - £50,000 - he must be good!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 06:36 AM

Iris Robinson is to step down as a Member of Parliament, If her husband is forced to follow her, as seems likely, it is possible that the Irish Peace Process will be at risk.
It's nice to know that our well-being is in safe hands!

The twisted world of a homophobe:
"There can be no viler act, apart from homosexuality and sodomy, than sexually abusing children"
(Iris Robinson, House of Commons)
"I cannot think of anything more sickening than a child being abused. It is comparable to the act of homosexuality"
(Iris Robinson, Belfast Telegraph}
"I have a very lovely psychiatrist who works with me in my offices and his Christian background is that he tries to help homosexuals — trying to turn away from what they are engaged in. I'm happy to put any homosexual in touch with this gentleman" (Iris Robinson, Radio 5)
Coo-coo-coo-choo indeed!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 08:24 AM

Jim Specifically stated that he saw Iris Robinson as showing double standards.

He specifically made clear that that was the meaning of his post.


He has never made any comment on the character of women or referred to any stereotype or engaged in anyt form of slander.



What he has done is a masterful, nay artful job of making monkeys of Ake and GfS by showing that Robinsons double standards are not the only thing she has in common with them.

Hypocrites and bigots, all three.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 10:06 AM

Well I've broken my New Year's resolution... not to post anything further on this particular thred. But something here is worth mentioning and I am not singling akenaton out. It just so happens the quote is taken from his posting...

"Come on girls, forget supporting "homosexual rights"...we've got a real live male chauvanist here, dissin' one of the sisters because she took a young lover.....bite the balls off him!!"

I cannot speak for other 'sisters', as you have referred to them in the past here and now, but I can speak for me. I can say that what I have supported on this thread, as have others, are not homosexual rights, but human rights. The fact some of those humans are homosexual actually has no relevance in reality to what I would and have have argued for. That all people be treated fairly by and within the law, fellow humans, society at large, across the world. It really is a simple concept.

I see nothing in Jim Carroll's posts on this thread that remotely points to him being chauvanistic in his intentions. I think he would have said the same against a male politician taking a female lover in similar circumstances. What he is commenting about is the two-faced hypocricy, as I read him, rather than the actual gender of the person saying it. Bigotry is bigotry no matter which gender's lips it is issued from.

That PEOPLE have affairs, can be promiscuous, and 'spread it around' has actually been mentioned lots on this thred. It's not just homosexual males that do it. But the majority of us know and accept that well enough. What we find upsetting and grossly unfair is to see people in power condemning a minority and then showing similar behaviours themselves. "let him (or her) who is without sin cast the first stone..." an all that. Indeed some of the basis for a great deal of homophobia is to try and throw people off the homophobe's own sexuality and habits. Not always, but it happens. Those that shout the loudest in sone scenarios actually have the most to hide. In the end it is human nature. Some human beings like to hate. Others like to be more favourable to their fellow brothers or sisters.

I am happy to wear the title of a feel good sisterhood badge wearing gay loving liberal. There are far worse things to be thought of and known by. But as for Jim Carroll's comments, I can assure you, they never offended this sister one bit. Unless I have read him wrong he was not being a chauvanist or offensive to women generally.

The poor man gets to retain his testicles! ;-)

Jusr my opinion again

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 10:07 AM

800!!!!!!!!!

And are we any the wiser ?