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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: DougR Date: 01 Sep 08 - 02:18 PM I believe, Donuel, that Palin is a one term governor. Could be wrong, but I was wrong one other time too. Even with only one term, though, she has more executive experience than Obama. As to the "experience issue," she will be occupying the position of VP, not president. That will allow her to have on the job training in the areas where she has little or no experience such as foreign affairs. Obama is woefully lacking in foreign affairs and would have no time for OJT. THe "buck" were there one would stop at his desk immediately upon being sworn in as president. Well, he has Biden to lean on you say? One of the major complaints liberals have about Bush is he relied too much on his VP, particularly on issues of defense. Biden would be the next batter up, not the batter in the box. I think McCain made a good choice. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 01 Sep 08 - 02:14 PM MY opinion is that many of the comments made here are narrow-minded, bigoted attacks on the person and not a reasonable criticism of the policies advocated. I have tried to point out that the insults apply as much to the other side: If a statement is unfair when stated against one side, it is as unfair when appled to the other- given that no facts to support specific insults are presented. You do your candidate no good by your baseless attacks. YOU state "On the other hand, it would be remiss of you as a citizen not to question Palin's qualifications and character." I will remind you, it is as important, if not more important to apply it to BOTH sides: On the other hand, it would be remiss of you as a citizen not to question Obama's qualifications and character. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 01 Sep 08 - 02:10 PM "Today's teenagers are in such a hurry to grow up that ALL of them tend to make choices to do things before they are ready." What horseshit. It may be difficult, but think back to when you were 17. This is nothing new with teenagers. Only a fool would assume that abstinence is going to work. Carol C is 100% correct - the lack of proper education in our schools today creates more problems. 20 or 30 years ago the schools were able to teach about contraception, but today it has become an issue thanks to the "family values" that the Republican hypocrits have heaped upon us. It all comes home. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Sep 08 - 02:09 PM Mick has had a lot of political experience and I think his judgement may be spot on in this case. It seems obvious that Palin has not had the experience she needs to even run for VP much more than do the job. It seems likely that that lack of experience will become apparent between now and November 4. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Sep 08 - 02:06 PM >>Today's teenagers are in such a hurry to grow up that ALL of them tend to make choices to do things before they are ready. Yes...ALL. Those that belong to democrats, republicans, liberals, conservatives, white, black, latino, or any other group that exists within our borders.<< Susu's hubby, you should be writing ads for "Planned Parenthood." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Sep 08 - 02:03 PM >>>"Bruce is almost guaranteed to take this last and do his polar-inversion-semantic-nullification-field generation trick on it" You mean even YOU can see that what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, and YOU need to apply your own statement to YOUR biased viewpoint???<<< Bruce, While "sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander" Is a tried and sometimes true cliche, you over use it and use it without thought to the context. Most people have eyes enough to see that while Obama and McCain both have weaknesses as candidates, there are very few places where those weaknesses precisely overlap. Yet you constantly take a criticism of "McCain", do a "search and replace" for "Obama" and pretend that you have said something thoughtful. Do you actually apply any intellectual effort of your own into these debates? Do you ever bother to think about what is said? If you do the effort does not show. Why don't you express some of your own opinions? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 01 Sep 08 - 02:01 PM Yes, and since all teenagers do things like that, we need to provide very thorough sex education, and promote the use of birth control among teenagers. Statistics show that when this is done, there are fewer teen pregnancies than when abstinence-based sex education is used, as we can see in the case of the Palin's daughter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Susu's Hubby Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:57 PM "I have only one thing to say about this. I guess this shows us exactly how effective just teaching abstinence is in preventing teen pregnancies." What a bunch of crap, CarolC. There's no where that "just teaches abstinence." Today's teenagers are in such a hurry to grow up that ALL of them tend to make choices to do things before they are ready. Yes...ALL. Those that belong to democrats, republicans, liberals, conservatives, white, black, latino, or any other group that exists within our borders. Take off your blinders and stop acting like the little old lady next door with a good juicy bit of gossip. Hubby |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:55 PM Olddude, I take your suggestion as well meant but I'll speak for myself again. We can't all be the king bee, some of us are just the drones. In Canada, I knew a lot of politicians, including men who went on to be come federal ministers of Finance and Fisheries. I helped in a local campaign for city council here in Wilmington. I know that I don't have the skills or the temperament to be elected. The best use of my time is to find someone I can support and support them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Big Mick Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:53 PM Debate all you would like about her ability, but this is a person that wouldn't accept the nomination until she knew what the job of the VP was. That's because she is used to being busy. Wow!!! Now there is a wonderful candidate to be a heartbeat away. Those that talk about her ability to fight corruption are kidding themselves. Comparing negotiating the politic of Alaska with the politic of Chicago, or especially the politic inside the beltway, is a bit like debating the job of Sheriff of a small town in Alaska with the Police Chief of New York City. There is a whole different degree of sophistication, managerial training and experience, and then you have a much more sophisticated press to deal with. She will flame out, and in the not too distant future, IMHO. The media dogs of war are already starting to work. They smell the blood in the water. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:52 PM sorry, no cookie: "Bruce is almost guaranteed to take this last and do his polar-inversion-semantic-nullification-field generation trick on it" You mean even YOU can see that what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, and YOU need to apply your own statement to YOUR biased viewpoint??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: olddude Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:40 PM Jack your point is very well taken. I have my obama signs up all over the place and doing the same. I just think there should be more good people in office. I think many people just don't think about running that's all. Maybe a good time for us or at least someone that from time to time maybe though of it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:39 PM It doesn't help anyone for people to spread rumors like the one about Palin's daughter being Trig's mother. As a response to the rumors, Palin has announced her daughter's pregnancy (she's currently five months pregnant). I have only one thing to say about this. I guess this shows us exactly how effective just teaching abstinence is in preventing teen pregnancies. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080901/pl_nm/usa_politics_palin_dc_3 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:35 PM I mean no offense by this Old dude, but speak for yourself please. While neither Carol no I is a Democrat. We have opened our wallets to donate and our home to voluteers. We have knocked on doors, cooked meals for out of state coordinators, and driven people to the poles in the primary election. You don't have to run to make a difference. There are plenty things to do for the Obama Campaign and they would love to have your help. On the other hand, it would be remiss of you as a citizen not to question Palin's qualifications and character. If we all had looked closer at George W Bush in 2000 we might not be in the mess we are now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:28 PM One heart-beat, or lack thereof, away from President; a reckless gamble indeed, given the fate of the nation may hinge on that one heartbeat. Furthermore, until a very short while ago, she had no notion what a Vice President of the country did. His qualifications, earned by marshaling a major campaign with extensive talent and skill, were already distinctive. I seriously doubt whether you or I could have matched his Harvard career or his accomplishments teaching constitutional law. His legislative accomplishments are as good or better than the current Resident's. I don't know what the dark bias is that you view him through, but I would urge you to reassess in a new moment without the preconceived judgements you bring to bear. (Bruce is almost guaranteed to take this last and do his polar-inversion-semantic-nullification-field generation trick on it.) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: olddude Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:24 PM In Defense, I am by no means at all supporting her or McCain. But I was just thinking about this. While we all sit around and complain about how things are, the folks in both parties opened their private lives up to the world, spent their money, and decided to try and do something about it. We all disagree on the manner in which they intend to change things. However, unlike all of us, every one who decides to run didn't sit the bench like we are all doing. Sad really, make me think I should toss my hat into something to try and make a difference. Maybe we all should think about running for something. Maybe we can make things just a little better for someone else |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:24 PM Rig, If you are going to deliberately lie about what I have said, don't talk to me please. I know you are just trolling for a reaction and trying to look clever, but it pisses me off. I just made the point that David Frum, Bush's former speechwriter, has said, in no uncertain terms that Obama is ready to be President and Palin is not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:11 PM Well, Jack, you make a good point that neither one of them is actually qualified to be president, but the difference is she's running for vice-president. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:03 PM Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:23 AM Amos, " Mayor of Wasilia versus Senator from Illinois? Hockey mom?? " >>She has been a gov. of a state- a higher position, and an executive. Obama has been a Sen. for about the same time- and has done very little other than run for President. If SHE is not qualified, then Obama needs to slink out the back door before someone looks at what he has DONE- I HAVE posted his votes FROM HIS SITE in several threads.<< Obama was in the illinois legislature for eight years, He has been a Senator for three and two thirds years whereas Plain has been a governor for one and two thirds years. The Bull shit is call that the same. She has more experience. MORE BULLSHIT. >>You may not agree with her, but then, I don't agree with Obama- Does that give me the right to claim that HE is only a "basketball dad"?<< You have the right to say what you want. but you would be wrong in saying that. Palin calls her self "just a hockey mom" every time she speaks. So no one is wrong to call her "just a hockey mom" when that's how she describes herself. >>Feel free to say that you do not want her to be VP, but don't give us any bull about HER not being qualified while claiming Obama is.<< This is from David (axis of evil) From's blog on the New Republic Online. I (and most NRO readers) will vote against Barack Obama because I oppose his ideas. He is (at best) an old-line Walter Mondale taxer, spender, and regulator possibly still under the influence (at worst) of the radical alienation from America preached in his church and expressed in his own early writings. I'd vote against a candidate like this even if he had previously served as CEO of Google, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Governor of California, with a Nobel prize on top of it all. That said: Can we conservatives please stop kidding ourselves about Barack Obama's "qualifications"? Yes, if I had been a Democratic donor back in 2006, I'd sure worry about whether Barack Obama had what it took to be president. That was before he took on the toughest political operation in America, before he beat Bill and Hillary Clinton, before he won 18 million primary votes. Obama's nomination was not handed to him. He fought hard for it and won against the odds. "Qualifications" predict achievement. Once you have achieved, it doesn't matter what your qualifications are. Who cares whether the guy who built a big company from nothing didn't have much of a resume when he started? But if you are applying to run a big company built by somebody else, the resume matters ... The worst mistake in any fight is to under-estimate your opponent's abilities. Look what happened to the people who under-estimated Reagan. If conservatives are to have any hope in the coming weeks, we should wake up to the fact that we face in Barack Obama a formidable man, who appeals to something important and deep in the American electorate. He's not a superman, he has vulnerabilities, he can be beaten. But he won't be beaten until we who are trying to beat him understand why and how he has come so far. This is an excellent description of Obama's current qualifications. Likewise, had Sarah Palin decided in 2005 to run for president in 2008 - had she spent 3 years mastering the issues and explaining her views in public statements - had she one by one recruited leading experts on economic and defense issues to her cause and privately explored the issues of the day with them - then her current background would not be disqualifying. Indeed it would resemble that of many successful presidents. Obama has edicated himself and built a powerful network of contacts to help him govern. Palin has been a shill for the oil companies. She has administered a state with a huge budgetary surplus, which receives 7 federal dollars for every dollar in taxes that its people remit to Washington. Even with those advantages, she has lied about her involvement with the bridge to nowhere. She only opposed it after it had no chance. And even then she did not return the money that was allocated for it. She also abused her power in trying to get her brother in law fired. Worse than that she lied about it. Quite an accomplishment in just a year and a half. If tainting the office is the goal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Stringsinger Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:01 PM Sent: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 1:22 pm Subject: Fwd: from a friend's classmate about the Rep VP This is one Alaskan's point of view, which seems useful to share, one-sided thou gh it may be. Mudcatters, this from a friend. All you have to do is Google Palin's bio readily available online to find this consistent with it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- What an election season ahead! As an Alaskan, I am writing to give all of you some information on Sarah Palin, Senator McCain's choice for VP. As an Alaska voter, I know more than most of you about her and, frankly, I am horrified that he picked her. The most accurate description of her is red neck. Her husband works in the oil fields of Prudhoe Bay and races snow mobiles. She is a life time member of the NRA and has worked tirelessly to allow indiscriminate hunting of wildlife in Alaska, particularly wolves and bears. She has spent millions of Alaska state dollars on aerial hunting=2 0of these predators from helicopters and airplanes, dollars that should have been spent, for example, on Alaska's failing school system.We have the lowest rate of high school graduation in the country. Not all of you may think aerial predator hunting is so bad, but how anyone (other than Alaska wolf-haters, of which there are many, most without teeth), could think this use of funds is appropriate is beyond me. If you want to know more about the aerial hunting travesty, let me know and I will send some links to informative web sites. She has been a strong supporter of increased use of fossil fuels, yet the McCain campaign has the nerve to say she has "green" policies. The only thing green about Sarah Palin is her lack of experience. She has consistently supported drilling in ANWR, use of coal-burning power plants (as I write this, a new coal plant is being built in her home town of Wasilla), strip mining, and almost anything else that will unnecessarily exploit the diminishing resources of Alaska and destroy its environment. Prior to her one year as governor of Alaska, she was mayor of Wasilla, a small red neck town outside Anchorage.The average maximum education level of parents of junior high school kids in Wasilla is 10th grade. Unfortunately, I have to go to Wasilla every week to get groceries and other supplies, so I have continual contact with the people who put Palin in office in the first place. I know what I'm t alking about. These people don't have a concept of the world around them or of the serious issues facing the US. Furthermore, they don't care. So long as they can go out and hunt their moose every fall, kill wolves and bears and drive their snow mobiles and ATVs through every corner of the wilderness, they're happy. I wish I were exaggerating. Sarah Palin is currently involved in a political corruption scandal. She fired an individual in law enforcement here because she didn't like how he treated one of her relatives during a divorce. The man's performance and ability weren't considered; it was a totally personal firing and is currently under investigation. While the issue isn't close to the scandal of Ted Steven's corruption, it shows that Palin isn't "squeaky clean" and causes me to think there ay be more issues that could come to light. Clearly McCain doesn't care. When you line Palin up with Biden, the comparison would be laughable if it weren't so serious. Sarah Palin knows nothing of economics (admittedly a weak area for McCain), or of international affairs, knows nothing of national government, Social Security, unemployment, health care systems - you name it. The idea of her meeting with heads of foreign governments around the world truly frightens me. In an increasingly dangerous world, with the economy in shambles in the US, Sarah Palin is uniquely UNqualified to be vice president. John McCain is not a young man. Should something happen to him such that the vice president had to step in, it would destroy our country and possibly the world to have someone as inexperienced and inappropriate as Sarah Palin. The choice of Palin is a cheap shot by McCain to try to get Hillary supporters to vote for him. when McCain introduced her today, Palin had the nerve to compare herself with Hillary and Geraldine Ferraro. Sarah Palin, you are no Hillary Clinton. To those of you who, like me, supported Hilary and were upset that she did not get the nomination, please don't think that Sarah Palin is a worthy substitute. If you supported Hillary, regardless of what you think the media and the democratic party may have done to undermine her campaign, the person to support now is Obama, not Sarah Palin. To those of you who are independent or undecided, don't let the choice of Palin sway you in favor of McCain. Choosing her shows how unqualified McCain is to be president. To those of you who are conservative, I guess you have no choice for president. But please try to see how the poor choice of Palin tells us a great deal about McCain's judgment. While the political posturing inherent in the choice of Palin is obvious, the more serious issue is the fact that the VP is, literally, a heartbeat away from the presidency. Sarah Palin is totally and unequivocally unqualified to be vice president, let alone president. I know this is a lengthy and emotional email, but the stakes are high. I thought it might help for all of you, regardless of political affiliation, to know something about Palin from someone who has to live with her administration in Alaska on a daily basis. Distinguished Teaching Professor Chair American Studies/Media and Communications |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 01 Sep 08 - 12:57 PM Well, his mother is not, after all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 01 Sep 08 - 12:46 PM "portraying himself as a minority" ???!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 01 Sep 08 - 12:39 PM "Harvard law versus a degree in psychobabble from, where was it, U. Minn??" University of Idaho. But don't forget, Obama was portraying himself as a minority, and affirmative action was-and-is very much in vogue at places like Harvard. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Bobert Date: 01 Sep 08 - 12:14 PM The arguments over experience are rediculous... I mean, lets get real here... Dick Cheney and Feorge Bush each came to office in 2000 with more "experience" than either Palin or Obama... This is a red herring discussion which hides the more important issue of just what the positions are between Obama and Palin. Palin has been a critic of big oil because it was not drilling, ahhhh, fast enough... Palin would sertainly, if it were in her power, nominate a Supreme Court Justice who would be the last one needed to make abortion illegal. Palin would be a rubber stamp for whatever position the NRA wnated furthered and would appoint pro NRA Suprme Court justices... Palin would continue the occupation of Iraq for the next hundred years... Palin would cut social programs whereever she could get away with it... Palin would support the unconstitutional Patriot Act... Palin would support the Bush tax cuts which have been a major reason for the current state of our economy... Palin would continue to support every danged Department of Defense request for more and more money... This is what this election is about, folks, so to my friends here who have allowed themselves to get bopgged down with the bogus "experience" argument you are being led into the usual Republcan trap that diverts youe attention away from the things that the Repubs don't want to talk about... If you truly support a progressive agenda than ignore the red herrings that the Repubs are throwing at you... Every day they can keep the real issues off the table is another day they win the debate... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: olddude Date: 01 Sep 08 - 12:05 PM The biggest problem I have is when I hear about the issues. Then I hear McCain and Palin talk about how the republican party will fix the issues America faces, I have to ask ... gee didn't the party have 8 years to do it alrighty? McCain and Palin were not in charge but they spout out in praise the existing policies that didn't work for 8 years. I heard it was the democrats that don't want to drill off shore hence the gas problem blame it on the dems. Ok, I am one of those who don't think drilling will fix anything. But if the drilling was going to magically fix the gas situation ... Ahhhhh am I wrong ...didn't they have 8 years to do that? Ahhhhh didn't GW have a republican controled congress also ... If immigration is so high up on the list (not mine but ok) ahhhh didn't they have 8 years to fix that also ... my list goes on an on |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 12:02 PM IF you compare the management of the two campaigns over the last year, you will find that McCain's leadership was a nervous wreck compared to Obama's, and he ended up having to go to Karl Rove and his ex-minions for help. But the problem wasn't that McCain was too decent and not ruthless enough. It was that he either had bad judgement, or exercised it far too little. ;>) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:56 AM Obama taught constitutional law for 12 years. Palin's statements show that she has not had even a basic education in science. Bush doesn't seem to care about the constitution let alone understand it. A president who is an expert in the constitution is experience we need! Calling her time as governor in Alaska as 'executive experience' is a joke. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:54 AM Right... brilliant of her to notice how polar bears are not endangered; like other unaware creatures they only think they are drowning. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:36 AM In 2006 she beat the corrupt male establishment in Alaska to win the governorship. She opposes same-sex marriage, but one of her first acts in office was to veto a bill blocking health benefits for gay lovers of public employees. She hunts, ice-fishes and is a crack shot who knows how to fire an M16 rifle. "I was raised in a family where gender was not going to be an issue," she said. "The girls did what the boys did. Apparently in Alaska that's quite commonplace." No softy, she sued to stop the federal government making polar bears an endangered species and favours drilling for oil in the Arctic wildlife refuge. However, she also levied a windfall tax on oil companies. " http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4641030.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093 "Ron Bonjean, top strategist for Senate and House Republicans The brilliant choice of Gov. Palin is that is has energized the conservative base while appealing to independents, working moms, disaffected Hillary voters and those who want change brought to Washington. It was smart, outside-the-box thinking to shake up the Obama momentum and has turned the media upside down on news coverage. Sen. Obama's inexperience is actually being amplified through McCain's choice. The more Obama's campaign and its surrogates attack Gov. Palin on her positive track record, the more damage they do to Obama's brand. Their attacks have a boomerang effect because it allows McCain's team to remind voters that Obama doesn't have strong leadership credentials. Gov. Palin's challenge will be to perform flawlessly over the next 60 days, because any mistake or misfire can quickly shape her image among voters who are still absorbing this choice. " |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: katlaughing Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:32 AM Here you go, Sharon: Click. That's where I read that quote. It's by Shannen Coffin a former something-or-other to Dick Cheney. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: pdq Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:31 AM "Feel free to say that you do not want her to be VP, but don't give us any bull..." Well put, bb! Please repeat that as often as needed until it gets through some of the thick skulls around here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:23 AM Amos, " Mayor of Wasilia versus Senator from Illinois? Hockey mom?? " She has been a gov. of a state- a higher position, and an executive. Obama has been a Sen. for about the same time- and has done very little other than run for President. If SHE is not qualified, then Obama needs to slink out the back door before someone looks at what he has DONE- I HAVE posted his votes FROM HIS SITE in several threads. She has more experience. You may not agree with her, but then, I don't agree with Obama- Does that give me the right to claim that HE is only a "basketball dad"? Feel free to say that you do not want her to be VP, but don't give us any bull about HER not being qualified while claiming Obama is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:05 AM robomatic, get well soon. You were indeed brave to elect to have a vasectomy at sea. Some choices are permanent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:00 AM Compared to Obama she is fluff, dude. Harvard law versus a degree in psychobabble from, where was it, U. Minn?? Mayor of Wasilia versus Senator from Illinois? Hockey mom?? You got eyes asleep? Wake your eyes up, bro. They got some plain seeing to do. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 01 Sep 08 - 10:22 AM "Because of Palin? Come on, Rig. She is a lightweight." Not compared to Obama! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 08 - 10:21 AM Do you make choices in your life to effect poor choices in your past, or do you make choices to effect your future? It is a serious question. I am inclined to think that most of your choices are geared to effect your future. The below rhetoric however is slanted to condemn the chooser past and future... "I choose not to let you be born because I chose to have sex without planning for parenthood" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 10:17 AM Maureen Dowd on Ms Sarah Palin's selection. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 09:46 AM Because of Palin? Come on, Rig. She is a lightweight. On the subject Bruce raised of scurrilous attacks, here's a description of the Mcain vs Bush contest in South Carolina during the Reppublican primaries last time: "The crucible came in South Carolina, where the tone took a decidedly low turn. Bush stood by as a surrogate at a campaign event accused McCain of forgetting fellow veterans when he returned after five and a half years of captivity in North Vietnam. At McCain headquarters, reports kept pouring in about flyers and phone calls insinuating all manner of scurrilous things about the senator — he had fathered a black child out of wedlock, he beat his wife, he was mentally unstable, he had a secret Vietnamese family, he was a Manchurian candidate, he was gay, his wife was a drug addict and so forth. Bush denied any involvement in the whisper campaign, but for his own part took umbrage at a McCain ad saying the Texas governor "twists the truth like Clinton." Seems this is not a party specific attribute, does it not? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 01 Sep 08 - 09:27 AM Obama is going to be clinging to his guns and religion before this is over and... Oh yeah, that's right, he'a already clinging to his religion. We just need to figure out which religion that is... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 09:20 AM I would have thought by now, Bruce, you would have realized that all political parties have some good people in them. And, conversely, share the dregs among them. The number of scurrilous false reports about Obama that the true-and-red right wingers have promulgated outnumber those from the Obama camp by a large factor. Besides, Palin as she is is quite funny enough, without inventing Kerry-like falsehoods about her. "Remember, Alaska's the closest part of our continent to Russia, so it's not as if she doesn't understand what's at stake here." -- Cindy McCain, on Palin's lack of national security experience The logic of this proposition, which has been echoed by at least one TV commentator from the right wing camp, is so dismayingly moronic as to make one think one is in Wonderland. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 01 Sep 08 - 08:18 AM nice to know Obama's supporters have claimed the high ground... (NOT) I guess it is only a lie if you blame it on the Bush administration. Sunday, August 31, 2008 Lefty Bloggers Go After Palin's Daughter Posted by: Amanda Carpenter at 5:47 PM Members of the lefty blogosphere haven't stopped perpetuating the rumor Sarah Palin "faked" her last pregnancy and are now humiliating her daughter Bristol on the blatantly incorrect suspicion she is the real mother of baby Trig. "Sarah Palin is NOT the Mother" is the title of this DailyKos blog that accuses Bristol, a completely fit-looking adolescent teen, of having a "baby bump" in a photo they allege was taken March 9th of this year. "Sarah, I'm calling you a liar" wrote blogger ArcXIX. "And not even a good one. Trig Paxson Van Palin is not your son. He is your grandson. The sooner you come forward with this revelation to the public, the better. " Photos of Bristol with detailed commentary about her abdomen are contained in the post. Not only is the DailyKos disgustingly inspecting Bristol's midriff with all the fervor of LA paparazzi examining J-Lo's or Jennifer Aniston's washboard stomachs for evidence of a "bump," the DailyKos is wrong on when the photo was taken. It was taken, and published, by the Anchorage Daily News in 2006. Baby Trig, a child with Down's Syndrome, was born on April 18, 2008. That's a long time for a teen girl to be carrying a "bump" which looks nothing more than the curve of a tight sweater. Shortly after Palin was announced as McCain's VP, bloggers at the Kos started ginning up the rumor Palin faked her pregnancy, allegedly to cover for an illegitimate grandchild, because she looked so fit and trim in photos taken a few months before giving birth. This is only the latest in outrageous attacks against Palin as a mother. Fox News anchor Alan Colmes, of Hannity & Colmes, titled a recent post on his blog Liberaland "Did Palin Take Proper PreNatal Care?" In it, he wondered if she somehow was at fault for having a disabled child. Colmes took down the post after being attacked by the blog Wizbang and later reposted a screenshot of the blog to prove he "wasn't running away from what I posted." Update: I originally mentioned this Kos rumor in a blog post about CNN's John Roberts's insinuation Palin would not give adequate care and attention to Trig if she became VP. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: SharonA Date: 01 Sep 08 - 05:22 AM Kat, which columnist was that? I'd like to read that whole column; please give us a reference. Thanks! More to the point, which are the conservatives who are supporting McInsane's choice of Palin? (Aside from Rush Limbaugh, of course... he's a given.) Speaking of Rush, I just took a peek at his site, and one of his lead "stories" draws the parallel I drew earlier in this thread between Palin and Monica Lewinsky. Rush's headline: "Hillary's place taken by another woman... again." I knew that political cartoonists (or, in this case, politics' biggest cartoon) would be all over this aspect of the nomination. His unintended insinuation, though, is that McCain's veep is servicing Bill Clinton! This is what happens when they stretch the truth until it breaks: it snaps back to smack them in the face. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: katlaughing Date: 01 Sep 08 - 04:09 AM This is form a conservative columnist: "The choice also says a lot about McCain. First, that he is a bit desperate," Coffin writes on the National Review site The Corner. "Second, that he is one arrogant SOB. McCain is essentially telling the world that he doesn't really need a Vice President.... Rather, the Office would seem poised to return to the 'proverbial warm bucket of p***' category." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 01 Sep 08 - 03:06 AM LOL George W Bush has more than eight years of executive experience, and look how lacking in competence he is. Looks to me like executive experience is highly overrated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:26 AM More like 65 and falling according to other reports. Why Palin is the Worst VP Choice Ever. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: emjay Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:20 AM Sarah Palin is reputed to have an 80% approval rating here in Alaska. Well, here in Alaska I have heard from people who claim to have voted Republican all their lives who will now vote Democratic, from another who swore he would never vote for Sarah Palin again and is now faced with a dilemma. Stop and thin about her so-called adminstrative experience in which she has attempted to micro-manage lower level employees. And she has attempted to inappropriately influence voting. There was a recent very public, very controversial ballot proposition calling for stringent controls on waste water disposal from new large scale mines. She appeared on tv saying she was appearing not as governor but as a private citizen, and saying she was voting against the proposition. She also opposes listing the polar bear as threatened or endangered species and has directed the state to bring suit against the listing. She denies there is any man-made cause of global warming. Because one has been in an administrative position does not necessarily mean one has been a good administrator. The governor she replaced was so bad it would have been hard not to look good. In one comment I have heard being circulated here in Alaska, "A woman voting for Sarah Palin is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders." There is so much more to know about Ms. Palin and so little of it tells anything about why she should be vice-president of the United States. Make that none of it would help there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: katlaughing Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:19 AM The eloped, after she graduated from college in Idaho, is what I read. There was some idiot over in a published "roundtable" at the WSJ who said she had more "executive experience" than Obama, McCain and Biden combined. All they ever did was run a "senate office." Ye gawds and gawddesses! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:14 AM Maher on Palin.... ROFLMAO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 12:58 AM "Sarah Palin gave a crowd-pleasing speech after she was selected by John McCain Friday. Conservatives were thrilled and women were just ecstatic. President Bush called her and congratulated her on her Olympic gold medal in women's beach volleyball. GOP convention delegates gathering in Minnesota Friday were overjoyed by Sarah Palin's selection. It fit the party's most pressing need this week. They had to have a candidate with no risk of being arrested in the Minneapolis airport men's room. Sarah Palin was slammed by environmentalists for her record on wildlife issues Friday because the governor favors shooting wolves from the air. In Alaska they call that predator control. In the Democratic Party it's called keeping an eye on Bill. Sarah Palin's choice Friday let the GOP match the Democratic ticket for exotic appeal. She's from Alaska and Barack Obama's from Hawaii. It's a chance for the Libertarian party to advertise Bob Barr as the candidate of the Lower Forty-Eight. Governor Sarah Palin married Todd Palin 20 years ago in Alaska where there are 10 men for every woman. The atmosphere is crazy up there. Women are warned not to look for husbands in Alaska, where the odds are good but the goods are odd." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Ebbie Date: 01 Sep 08 - 12:34 AM My considered guess is that McCain is going to be unable to rein her in- Oh, is he going to be sorry... She is one stubborn lady; she don' lissen. Kind of like W with his gut feelings. Or Wally Hickel's 'little man on his shoulder'. Of course, if the investigative body finds her guilty of using political means for private ends and reprimands her, or worse, McCain may have to cut her loose. I doubt that will happen, though- McCain has the same stubborn little man. |
