BS: Palin VP McCain choice

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 12:07 PM

Well, if you can't make the "startle" connection, something else must be going on. At the very least, it seems to be irrational.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 09:58 AM

NPR covered the startle study this morning. It's nonsense. There are conservatives who are calm, liberals who are calm, conservatives who startle, liberals who startle.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 09:55 AM

A recent study found that those who reacted the most heavily when startled tended to be conservative.

Seriously!

Well this immediately tells you that going with the flow of time is not a strong suit for such folks,m eaning a larger amoutn of their attention is lockled up on the past.

When life looks overwhelming, or confusing, the natural instinct is to lock on to some solution, even if it isn't rational, to ward off the confusion; and hold on to it. THus are religions built and belief systems perpetrated.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 07:28 AM

That's a good point, Amos. There must be studies somewhere that look into why "anti-intellectualism" is such a huge draw in American culture.
                      Maybe that's why religion has become such a big part of American politics. They take the part of the human brain that would normally be inquisitive and calculating, and replace it with something that is dead and static. That way they don't have to think about real issues, and happily vote for the candidate who seems to be the dumbest.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 01:40 AM

"...The main complaint against Palin has been her lack of experience. That's fortunate for her, since "experience"--especially measured in a linear way--fails to capture exactly what Palin lacks. Yes, two years as governor is less than you'd like, as is four years as senator. The real problem, though, is that Palin has no record of thinking about national or international policy. Bobby Jindal, another Republican veep contender, has barely more experience than Palin, but he is a respected policy intellectual. Pat Buchanan ran for president without ever having served in elective office, but he had engaged more deeply than most presidential candidates in policy questions.

Engagement, not experience, is the difference between Palin's qualifications and Obama's. Obama has a longstanding interest in national and (to a lesser extent) international issues, and has answered questions on all those issues in extensive detail. Palin has dealt almost exclusively with parochial issues in a wildly atypical state. (Her fiscal experience, which consists of divvying up oil lucre, offers better preparation to serve as president of Saudi Arabia than the United States.) It's possible Palin has harbored a long-standing, secret passion for policy wonkery, but the few signs available thus far--her convention speech that spelled out "new-clear weapons," her evident lack of familiarity with the term "Bush Doctrine"--suggest otherwise. The Republican intelligentsia is frantically tutoring her while they run out the clock until November 4.

In lieu of opening Palin to regular questioning from the press corps, of the sort the other three candidates have all undergone many times before, the McCain campaign is helpfully leaking positive appraisals of her studiousness. "Despite the worries, [Palin] struck many campaign officials as more calm and cerebral than expected," reported Newsweek. "She was quick to ask questions, and to 'engage in a back and forth' with briefers." See, the McCain campaign says she's on the ball. That settles it, right?

But, somewhere in the recesses of my mind, this admiring appraisal of the prospective veep's intellect struck a familiar chord. With a quick search, I discovered that, indeed, the same was said of Dan Quayle in 1988. Twenty years ago, The Washington Post reported, "Bush aides, who were getting their first in-depth exposure to Quayle, were impressed by his attention span, the quality of his questions and the facility with which he moved through the agenda."

Other parallels stood out as well. Conservatives received Quayle's selection rapturously. L. Brent Bozell pronounced himself "ecstatic," and Jerry Falwell called the surprise pick "a stroke of genius." After a media frenzy, Quayle's speech was well-received. The convention hall burst into cheers of "We want Dan!" NBC anchor Tom Brokaw said that Quayle executed "flawlessly," and CBS's Bruce Morton called it "a good speech."

Questions about Quayle's readiness remained, but he did his best to turn them into elite condescension toward small town America. Quayle, in his acceptance speech, spoke movingly about the small towns in Indiana where he had grown up, and later disparaged Dukakis for "sneer[ing] at common sense advice, Midwestern advice."

Today, Quayle is remembered as a disaster. But, during the campaign, his supporters believed that media skepticism of Quayle had rallied ordinary Americans to his side. Dukakis "looks down on his fellow Americans. He looks down on Bush and Dan Quayle as--in his word--'pathetic,' " wrote right-wing columnist Michael Novak. "Thus, the 'feeding frenzy' of the press in New Orleans stirred a national backlash. It united all the scorned of America as one."

Conservatives are saying the same things about Palin. "Elite opinion," insisted McCain strategist Steve Schmidt, "looks down with contempt at people who are not part of their world." As Palin herself said, "If you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone." To the right, the mere fact that the press questions her fitness proves that she is one of them.

As the original rationales for Palin melt away, this bond has become unshakable. Her lack of qualifications turns out to be her greatest qualification...."(The New Republic)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 10:01 PM

From Republican Senator Chuck Hegel, senior member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee as reported on cnn.com today:

(CNN) – Sen. Chuck Hagel has become one of the most prominent Republicans to openly question VP nominee Sarah Palin's qualifications on Thursday.

"She doesn't have any foreign policy credentials," Hagel said in an interview with the Omaha World Herald. "You get a passport for the first time in your life last year? I mean, I don't know what you can say. You can't say anything."

On her first overseas trip last year, Palin traveled to Kuwait and Germany to visit Alaskan National Guard troops.

In defending her own foreign policy experience, Palin has said that Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her international expertise. Hagel, a senior member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, called that notion "insulting to the American people."

"I do think in a world that is so complicated, so interconnected and so combustible, you really got to have some people in charge that have some sense of the bigger scope of the world," he added. "I think that's just a requirement."

Hagel, who broke with fellow Republicans over the Iraq war, has said he will not endorse either major party candidate. The Nebraska senator has said he would have considered being Obama's running mate and was rumored to be on his VP short list.

Although Hagel is a longtime friend of GOP presidential nominee John McCain, he traveled to the Middle East with Obama in July. Hagel also came to Obama's defense in May after the Democratic nominee and McCain had a dispute over the best way to deal with Iran.

Hagel, whose Senate term is drawing to a close, is not running for re-election to the Senate.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 08:04 PM

Well, I guess I knew that, Alice, but we were dealing in hypotheticals, and if she were selling lingerie, I'd have to say I would be interested. But not in the product.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 07:43 PM

Amos, AVON sells cosmetics... not lingerie.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 07:42 PM

She certainly knows a lot about being in bed with the oil and gas people.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 07:40 PM

How about: "Lipstick on a Moose with Guns?"

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 07:40 PM

I just saw John McCain saying Sarah Palin knows more about energy than anyone else in this country. Oh.... my..... gawd.... he has really lost his mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 07:16 PM

Now that is the Rigs we like...

But seriously, this election shouldn't be about Ms. Sarah... It should be about the guy who picked her and his **judgement***, or lack thereof...

Me thinks that ol' Sir John has slipped a cog or two in the thinking department...

And lastly, anyone here that song entitled "Cows With Guns"??? How about one entitled "Moose With Guns"???

B;~0

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 05:51 PM

"There ya go, Rig, Eb says encouragingly."


                  And if I was a moose, and Sarah shot my great uncle, I'd be hugely upset, even if he was working as a community organizer in Chicago.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 02:45 PM

Well, I hear ya. I'd buy lingerie from her,t oo, if I were in the market. Which, may I add, I am not.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 02:37 PM

To them, everything is a fucking conspiracy, Amos. My daughter has a work colleague who stood on the sidewalk as Obama drove in from the airport the other day holding a sign of the Russian hammer & sickle with Obama's name on it, while she held a McCain bumper sticker in the other. They are entrenched idjits.

Ebbie, I heard a woman who called in to NPR the other day, talking about her take on Palin. I loved it. She said, "I'd buy Avon from her" but she didn't think she was qualified to run the country. THAT'S what she reminds me of...SOME Avon or Amway sales-types. No offence to them in general...my good friend is one, but she's also NOT a Palin!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 01:35 PM

"If Sarah Palin turns out to be the next Ronald Reagan, then it will be up to us (with our BIG FAT RÉSUMÉS) to define the new mode of anti-intellectualism in America.

One starting point would be a study mentioned in this week's Washington Post. Two political scientists gave volunteers who described themselves as "conservative" a list of Bush's prewar claims that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. To some of the volunteers they provided a thorough, neutral refutation—the 2004 Duelfer report that concluded Iraq had no WMDs.

Now here's the amazing result: The ones who received the refutation were vastly more likely to believe the Bush view than the other group. In other words, the mere presence of "expert" refutation—i.e., an opposing view from people with BIG FAT RÉSUMÉS, as Sarah Palin calls them, made the conservatives less likely to believe the truth and stick to their guns. The researchers call this the "backfire effect" and say it shows up mostly with conservatives.

Sending corrections to obvious mistruths, one of them concluded, is only likely to backfire. The very act of arguing against those corrections seems to make conservatives believe them more strongly and reinforces their view that anything from those people with BFR has to be wrong."

Faskinatin', Olive!!! (From Slate.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 01:27 PM

There ya go, Rig, Eb says encouragingly.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 01:24 PM

If I was a moose, I'd vote for Obama!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 12:31 PM

I've never heard Hannity but he comes across as a real sleazeball. Palin doesn't fare much better- it wouldn't have surprised me to have her use 'misunderestimate'.

Frankly, Miss America candidates seem, by and large, to have just about as good a grasp as she.

You know, this time- if the American people vote them in I will lose all hope for our electorate. It would mean that our pop culture, fed on sound bytes and the National Enquirer, is emblematic of our whole nation.

As Palin would say: Absolutely.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 12:05 PM

Oh, my!!! FALSEhoods? From such a PRETTY person? I am shocked, I tell you. Shocked!! LYING? SARAH?? I just can't get my mind around this. Are you sure????!!!



A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 11:52 AM

Reality Check on Palin video.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 11:27 AM

Rig:

No, but he has hot shoes, which she does not.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 11:23 AM

She has shot moose. Has Obama shot moose?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 11:15 AM

What the Republicans experienced negatively with her in Alaska has not really hit the main stream news. I'm still waiting.

For anyone checking this thread, please read what her Republican mentor in Wasilla had to say in my message posted yesterday.

This morning, though, the discussion on MSNBC was how many major Republican party people are very disturbed about the actual facts coming out about Palin, what she did in Wasilla, and what she does not know, how obviously unprepared she if for a national office. The serious members of the party are aware that she was chosen as a symbol to emotionally stir up the base, but that she has no real substance behind the symbolic image she portrays.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 10:55 AM

Read Palin's interview with Sean Hannity. She sounds just like the shrub: click here!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 07:27 AM

If the McCain campaign is smart, they'll use that account to put out some disinformation and let the dumb bastard hackers run with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 02:21 AM

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24364783-401,00.html

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/sarah_palins_yahoo_hacking_gov.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_el_pr/palin_hacked

I swear none of these links above are by the Onion.

It appears true.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 01:57 AM

She's a watch dog all right but Palin has already made a poor National Security move. Perhaps her watch dog was asleep.

BREAKING NEWS

She was conducting the official government of Alaska, including remarks about her selection as a VP candidate on .....get ready for this.....
her free Yahoo email account!

It has just been hacked and diseminated on the web.

Will the Patriot Act be used to arrest the hackers as terrorists?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 01:00 PM

The full article interviewing her mentor Nick Carney is actually at salon.com.
My previous message was a link to a partial quote. Here is the full article link and more of the story.

By David Talbot

Sep. 17, 2008 | Sarah Palin has been touting herself as fiscal watchdog throughout her political career. But Palin's tenure as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, was characterized by waste, cronyism and incompetence, according to government officials in the Matanuska Valley, where she began her fairy-tale political rise.

"Executive abilities? She doesn't have any," said former Wasilla City Council member Nick Carney, who selected and groomed Palin for her first political race in 1992 and served with her after her election to the City Council.

Four years later, the ambitious Palin won the Wasilla mayor's office -- after scorching the "tax and spend mentality" of her incumbent opponent. But Carney, Palin's estranged former mentor, and others in city hall were astounded when they found out about a lavish expenditure of Palin's own after her 1996 election. According to Carney, the newly elected mayor spent more than $50,000 in city funds to redecorate her office, without the council's authorization.

"I thought it was an outrageous expense, especially for someone who had run as a budget cutter," said Carney. "It was also illegal, because Sarah had not received the council's approval."

According to Carney, Palin's office makeover included flocked, red wallpaper. "It looked like a bordello."

Although Carney says he no longer has documentation of the expenditures, in his recollection Palin paid for the office face-lift with money from a city highway fund that was used to plow snow, grade roads and fill potholes -- essential municipal services, particularly in weather-battered Alaska.

Carney confronted Mayor Palin at a City Council hearing, and was shocked by her response.

"I braced her about it," he said. "I told her it was against the law to make such a large expenditure without the council taking a vote. She said, 'I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.'"

"I'll never forget it -- it's one of the few times in my life I've been speechless," Carney added. "It would have been easier for her to finesse it. She had the votes on the council by then, she controlled it. But she just pushed forward. That's Sarah. She just has no respect for rules and regulations."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/17/palin_mayor/print.html

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 12:45 PM

The mentor who selected and groomed Sarah Palin to begin her political career is now speaking out:

Sarah Palin has been touting herself as fiscal watchdog throughout her political career. But Palin's tenure as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, was characterized by waste, cronyism and incompetence, according to government officials in the Matanuska Valley, where she began her fairy-tale political rise.

"Executive abilities? She doesn't have any," said former Wasilla City Council member Nick Carney, who selected and groomed Palin for her first political race in 1992 and served with her after her election to the City Council.

Four years later, the ambitious Palin won the Wasilla mayor's office -- after scorching the "tax and spend mentality" of her incumbent opponent. But Carney, Palin's estranged former mentor, and others in city hall were astounded when they found out about a lavish expenditure of Palin's own after her 1996 election. According to Carney, the newly elected mayor spent more than $50,000 in city funds to redecorate her office, without the council's authorization.
+++

Click Here

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 10:40 PM

From a link at RCP:

""WORSE THAN BUSH.... Forget Sarah Palin's multiple scandals. And put aside her series of demonstrably false claims. And disregard, for a moment, her thin resume, lack of qualifications, and apparent disinterest in current events.

Forget all of that for a moment and just consider how she likes to govern.

[W]hen there was a vacancy at the top of the State Division of Agriculture, she appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the $95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Ms. Havemeister cited her childhood love of cows as a qualification for running the roughly $2 million agency.

Ms. Havemeister was one of at least five schoolmates Ms. Palin hired, often at salaries far exceeding their private sector wages.

When Ms. Palin had to cut her first state budget, she avoided the legion of frustrated legislators and mayors. Instead, she huddled with her budget director and her husband, Todd, an oil field worker who is not a state employee, and vetoed millions of dollars of legislative projects.

And four months ago, a Wasilla blogger, Sherry Whitstine, who chronicles the governor's career with an astringent eye, answered her phone to hear an assistant to the governor on the line, she said.

"You should be ashamed!" Ivy Frye, the assistant, told her. "Stop blogging. Stop blogging right now!"

Palin's political style is more than a little frightening. She attacks critics, pursues petty vendettas, ignores mayors and state lawmakers, blurs the line between government business and personal grievances, demands strict secrecy in all matters, refuses to engage in policy matters in any real depth, tries to fire state employees who dare to challenge her demands, and insists on surrounding herself with childhood friends and church members, appointing unqualified allies to key government posts. (The Times noted, "The Wasilla High School yearbook archive now doubles as a veritable directory of state government.")

A conservative radio personality and longtime friend of Palin explained that the governor considers her detractors "bad people who are anti-Alaska."

Reading the piece, and realizing that Sarah Palin may very well be one heartbeat from the presidency in just three months, is nothing short of chilling. It's hard not to think Palin would be a poor choice to help lead a convenience store, worse yet the executive branch of the United States government.

That John McCain picked her for the ticket is more than enough to raise questions about whether he has any idea what he's doing.

—Steve Benen"

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 09:40 PM

What a minor list of duties the mayor of Wasilla has:

Palin cut own duties as mayor of Wasilla

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26695078/
"The universe of the mayor of Wasilla is sharply circumscribed even by the standards of small towns, which limited Palin's exposure to issues such as health care, social services, the environment and education.

Firefighting and schools, two of the main elements of local governance, are handled by the Matanuska-Susitna Borough, the regional government for a huge swath of central Alaska. The state has jurisdiction over social services and environmental regulations such as stormwater management for building projects."

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 05:47 PM

"At least Bob Barr and Ron Paul may give a bit of balance to the minor party drain this time..."


                      Ron Paul might, and as far as I'm concerned, he deserves every bit of support he can muster. But I think Sarah Palin took most of the wind out of Bob Barr's sails.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 02:46 PM

Why is everyone getting so excited that Sarah Palin is unprepared to work in any job requiring sound judgment on any kind of substantive matter ?

She is the modern version of a young, misleading dishonorable Congressman named Richard Nixon, pure and simple. American politics is full of such dishonest people running for public office–it's the price we pay for the freedom to choose our public officials.

Most people cannot tell the difference between good and bad public policy–they depend on the highest levels of the press to inform them fairly. Traditionally, that was a few major newspapers in the biggest cities–NYTimes, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal news reporters, Chicago Tribune, LA Times, Boston Globe, Philadelphia Enquirer, and perhaps a few more papers, and the television networks–CBS, NBC, ABC, and then CNN. Now we have anyone with a website and a camera and a website saying that they are the keepers of the holy grail of knowing the better candidate when they hear them.

But don't despair. On;y one week has gone by since John McCain gave us Sarah Palin as his running partner for vice president. As word spreads that she believes God supports the policies she supports and that's why you should, too, the American people will wake up. Most people like to find their own gods, not have them presented on television as something they can have if only they vote the right way. The American people may make dumb choices but they're not stupid. Her only hope for getting elected is to keep her mouth completely shut between now and election day. People take elections for President seriously. She has about as much ability to persuade people on serious matters as did Richard Nixon that Watergate was caused by his political enemies. SO take care, America and keep your eyes and ears open. The great American ship of politics is about to start informing you of all you need to know about attack hack Sarah Palin. If she had a five o'clock shadow, she would be the spitting image of Richard Nixon.

— Posted by Will Rogers (Not the original Will Rogers, I suppose) on a NYT Comments section

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 02:40 PM

You're right, Alice--that SNL is just dynamite.




And you're right too, Amos--and so is Maureen, unfortunately.

2008 is starting to look really depressingly like 2000--with people voting on the basis of which candidate they'd like to have a beer with.

Complete with clueless fools--who obviously have learned nothing from the 2000 election--voting for Nader--again. He's on 45 states' ballots this time--more than ever.

At least Bob Barr and Ron Paul may give a bit of balance to the minor party drain this time.


Let's be sure to get Sarah's exact views on the illegal immigration issue--so that either the intellectual giants who talk about "Juan McCain" will hear it--or Hispanics will clearly hear where both the presidential and VP candidates of the Republican ticket stand on this issue--since McCain now says the path to citizenship for illegal immigration will have to wait til the border is "secured"--i.e. in a few eons.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 02:23 PM

"...The really scary part of the Palin interview was how much she seemed like W. in 2000, and not just the way she pronounced nu-cue-lar. She had the same flimsy but tenacious adeptness at saying nothing, the same generalities and platitudes, the same restrained resentment at being pressed to be specific, as though specific is the province of silly eggheads, not people who clear brush at the ranch or shoot moose on the tundra.

Just as W. once could not name the General-General running Pakistan, so Palin took a position on Pakistan that McCain had derided as naïve when Obama took it.

"We must not, Charlie, blink, Charlie, because, Charlie, as I've said, Charlie, before, John McCain has said, Charlie, that — and remember here, Charlie, we're talking about John McCain, Charlie, who, Charlie, is John McCain and I won't be blinking, Charlie."

She tried to finesse her previous church comments about Iraq, asking worshipers to pray "that there is a plan, and that plan is God's plan." Earnestly repeating after her tutors, she said she had meant to echo Abraham Lincoln, that in war we must pray that we are on God's side rather than that he is on ours. But her original comments sounded more W. than Abe — taking your policy and ideology and giving it the hallowed mantle of a mission from God.

Sarah has single-handedly ushered out the "Sex and the City" era, and made the sexy new model for America a retro one — the glamorous Pioneer Woman, packing a gun, a baby and a Bible.

Her explosion onto the scene made Obama seem even more like a windy, wispy egghead. Like W., Sarah has the power of positive unthinking. But now we may want to think about where ignorance and pride and no self-doubt has gotten us. Being quick on the trigger might be good in moose hunting, but in dealing with Putin, a little knowledge might come in handy." (MAureen Dowd.

As usual, Maureen hits it in the center. Palin's energetic think-less style is so much like W in 2000 as to give one nightmares.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 01:22 PM

just a note, there are 11 pages to that article, as it is the mobile link and in big type. Just click on "next page" to read the rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 01:19 PM

Regarding Palin's cronyism in office:

New York Times article by Jo Becker, Peter S. Goodman and Michael Powell.

Once Elected, Palin Hired Friends and Lashed Foes

quote in part "...when there was a vacancy at the top of the State Division of Agriculture, she appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the $95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Ms. Havemeister cited her childhood love of cows as a qualification for running the roughly $2 million agency."

I wish that was just a joke. It's not. It's the truth.
LINK TO ARTICLE
http://mobile.nytimes.com/article?a=229937&f=19

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:37 PM

Saturday Night Live - Sarah Palin/Hillary Clinton

You tube is taking down the copyrighted videos as quickly as they are going online, but NBC.com has it on their web site here:

(you have to wait through a shampoo ad first)

For those who don't know Saturday Night Live, that is the actress Tina Fey, who is playing Sarah Palin.

nbc.com SNL Palin/Hillary

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Stringsinger
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:37 PM

And don't think of a confused old man who traded his disfigured wife in for a new one.
And one who can't control his temper. We've had a confused old man in the White House before named Ronald Reagan who brought our economy to its knees.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:23 PM

Emma B, two different towns, two different events.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 11:54 AM

" The Queen of Pork on a Bridge to Nowhere."



               That's a great line.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Stringsinger
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 11:38 AM

Don't think of an old man who is still suffering from PSTD and can't remember important
events or a young woman who is a theocrat, anti-choice, and forces women to have babies
even if they are raped. Don't think of a one-note military saber rattler who has seen better days or the Queen of Pork on a Bridge to Nowhere.

Don't think of Alaska as the state which will secede from the US and be the refuge for
the Rapture.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 11:31 AM

The big difference is, Obama is at the top of the ticket. Otherwise I agree, they're both about the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 11:07 AM

I find it interesting that those who discounted Obama as just a "celebrity rock star" type are now rejoicing in having a "celebrity rock star" type on their ticket.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 11:41 PM

Thanks for the link, Alice. I love some of those slogans:

Anne Applegate-Scott, a 44-year-old attorney and stay-at-home mom, held a sign that said, "I don't vote for liars."

One woman held a sign that read, "I'm Bail'in on Palin!"

And, I am proud someone made note of this:

Laura Kimmel, a 40-year-old Anchorage woman expecting her second baby in April, wore a clothes hanger with a sign attached that read, "This is not a surgical instrument. Keep abortions safe and legal."

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 11:27 PM

From the Anchorage Daily News -

There was an anti-Palin rally called "Alaska Women Reject Palin Non-Partisan Rally" held two hours after Palin delivered her speech at the new Anchorage convention center.

The rally was organized by a 48 year old woman who is a wildlife biologist, yoga teacher and artist, Angie Doroff, who said she was surprised at how many people showed up.

"We're not alone. A lot of people are worried about the nomination of Sarah Palin," Doroff said as cars drove by, drivers honking their horns in support.

link to full article is here
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/525008.html

The headline says "hundreds turn out" - the crowd was estimated at 1500.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 10:29 PM

Well, I wouldn't have posted it if I'd seen that Amos already had. My fault. The source is the Associated Press (AP).

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Emma B
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 10:21 PM

Gov. Sarah Palin, named almost two weeks ago as Republican presidential candidate John McCain's running mate, flew into Fairbanks on Wednesday night in her campaign jet and told a crowd of about 3,000 that she's spreading an Alaska message of oil drilling and reform on the trail.

'More than two dozen Barack Obama supporters waved signs outside the Palin event.'

from 'Governor brings the campaign home'
Anchorage Daily News September 11th, 2008

This report seems similar to the one also reported in the Irish Times quoted 13 Sep 08 - 10:04 PM

What is the source for the radically different version?
13 Sep 08 - 09:53 PM
repeated 13 Sep 08 - 10:09 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 10:09 PM

ANCHORAGE (AP) — Hundreds of people protesting the policies of Republican vice presidential candidate and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin lined a busy street on Saturday, waving signs and chanting "Obama!"

The protest came about two hours after Palin delivered a rousing speech at Anchorage's new convention center before leaving the state to return to the campaign trail. Palin was named John McCain's running mate on Aug. 29. This was her first return since then to her home state.

The protesters, including supporters of presidential candidate Barack Obama and those who don't agree with Palin's positions on abortion, polar bears, Iraq and other issues, lined one side of the street near Anchorage's main library building.

A much smaller number of mostly pro-Palin supporters were on the other side of the street, chanting "Sarah! Sarah!"

Police were at the scene, but there were no immediate reports of clashes