BS: Palin VP McCain choice

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Sep 08 - 10:08 AM

Emma B thank you for the idea of using Deliverence as an editorial cartoon.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Sep 08 - 10:04 AM

Emma B, I realize that you read that expository but I wonder what 'Barack's Berserkers' that Nick Cohen reads? I think it is a far, far over the top accusation of what actually happened or is happening.

Methinks he is selling papers.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Sep 08 - 08:30 AM

Anyone visited this museum? http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/04/04/robert-fulford-on-the-creation-museum-and-fundamentalism


An exhibit with a dinosaur with a saddle?

Neat:)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Sep 08 - 08:15 AM

Don't blame us, bb...

Racism is alive and well in America... If Obama was this white, young, articulate guy then McCain would have to spend resources in the South, which McCain really isn't doing... He knows what's what...

No, it's more like "if Obama wins he is snatching victory from the jaws of racists..." That is the real deal... Everyone knows it even if they don't want to talk about it...

Maybe that is why we are seeing more and more defacto segregation in sommunities thru out the south and midwest thru all kinds of borderline Jim Crow schemes...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Sep 08 - 08:07 AM

Emma,

With friends who act like Bobert and Amos, even a candidate as qualified as Obama can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I have stated your point several times, but since it comes from a source that they disagree with, they have not changed their methods.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Emma B
Date: 07 Sep 08 - 06:47 AM

'When Barack's berserkers lost the plot'

.....instead of following a measured strategy, they went berserk. On the one hand, the media treated her as a sex object. The New York Times led the way in painting Palin as a glamour-puss in go-go boots you were more likely to find in an Anchorage lap-dancing club than the Alaska governor's office

On the other, liberal journalists turned her family into an object of sexual disgust: inbred rednecks who had stumbled out of Deliverance.
Palin was meant to be pretending that a handicapped baby girl was her child when really it was her wanton teenage daughter's.

When that turned out to be a lie, the media replaced it with prurient coverage of her teenage daughter, who was, after all, pregnant, even though her mother was not going to do a quick handover at the maternity ward and act as if the child was hers

When a hate campaign goes wrong, however, disaster follows. And everything that could go wrong with the campaign against Palin did. American liberals forgot that the public did not know her. By the time she spoke at the Republican convention, journalists had so lowered expectations that a run-of-the-mill speech would have been enough to win the evening.

Journalists who believe in women's equality should not spread sexual smears about a candidate, or snigger at her teenage daughter's pregnancy, or declare that a mother with a young family cannot hold down a responsible job for the pragmatic reason that they will look like gross hypocrites if they do


In an age when politics is choreographed, voters watch out for the moments when the public-relations facade breaks down and venom pours through the cracks.
Their judgment is rarely favourable when it does.
Barack Obama knows it.
All last week, he was warning American liberals to stay away from the Palin family.

He understands better than his supporters that it is not a politician's enemies who lose elections, but his friends.'

Recommended reading from the 'liberal' Observer today

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Sep 08 - 03:23 AM

Palin endorses Flintstones since men and dinos lived together.
A mere 5,000 years ago picture

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Goose Gander
Date: 07 Sep 08 - 02:35 AM

So here we are in the most successful economy in the history of the world, in the most powerful empire of all time, and good gawd what slim pickin's for POTUS . . . well, I wish I was a mole in the ground . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: meself
Date: 07 Sep 08 - 01:21 AM

Oh - so that double-wide business is an expression of contempt for the poor ... And that sort of attitude is supposed to encourage people to vote Democrat?

Some of the snobbery that shows up on this forum is really disheartening.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Sep 08 - 12:35 AM

I am in NO way defending Palin, but let's try to keep out of generalising, even though it sounded great!:-) I once lived in a mobile home and I brush my hair, my teeth, I even take a bath on a regular basis! And, my sis even lived in a double-wide!

Out here, in the West, folks are gettin' real fancy with them things...retirees are spending big money on 'em. Take a look at this new magazine about them: Upwardly Mobile Home...some of the ones featured in it run into the gazillions, the movie star beach home ones!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Sep 08 - 12:12 AM

That email that Snopes validated may have answered a question that I was having trouble with. Considering all of the other things about her record and history that she has been caught fabricating (which is most of it), I really didn't feel that her claim to have been a "reformer" passed the smell test at all, but I was having some difficulty figuring out the angle. Nothing added up. With the information in that email, it all fits together like a jigsaw puzzle.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Sep 08 - 12:08 AM

LOL - Reagan was a renaissance man.   ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: SINSULL
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 10:30 PM

Remember the good old days when they thought women would vote for Dan Quayle because he was a Robert Redford look-alike until Robert Redford threatened to sue?

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 10:10 PM

or making a comment about the not so veiled insults others post...

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 09:53 PM

Sound like BB is resorting to slightly veiled insults, to me.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 09:15 PM

Yes, and prior to that he even helped to dumb down Hollywood acting!!!!

What a guy, eh? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 09:10 PM

I think Reagan was the first to popularize the dumbing down of the electorate.

You got it half right--he was also responsible for dumbing down the presidency!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Barry Finn
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 09:07 PM

"BOBERT!!"

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Barry Finn
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 09:06 PM

900

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 09:04 PM

900

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 09:03 PM

"It's been obvious from the start that you can take 'em outta
the 'hood, but you can't always take the 'hood outta
them. You can dress em up real nice and teach them to talk fancy, though."

Hell, BB, people have been saying specist stuff like that about Chongo since the very first day of his candidacy, despite his fine record of crime-fighting on the streets of Chicago and his excellent taste in headgear.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 08:59 PM

I think Reagan was the first to popularize the dumbing down of the electorate.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 08:27 PM

Since Bobert brought up how tough Obama was to work in south Chicago, and feels comfortable with "but it's been obvious from the start that you can take 'em outta
the double-wide, but you can't always take the double-wide outta
them." being used to describe a candidate, I would like to offer up the following for discussion:


It's been obvious from the start that you can take 'em outta
the 'hood, but you can't always take the 'hood outta
them. You can dress em up real nice and teach them to talk fancy, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 08:19 PM

Exactly, Barry...

This all started with Daddy Bush who perfected the intellectual bashing that has led to people being proud to be part of the uneductaed... I mean, it's cool to not have a friggin' clue...

And we wonder why we have such a high rate of high scool drop out, teen preganancy and the same ol' intellectual bashers in charge getting elected by people who are just barely trainable to go into a voting booth and not mess that up... Which of course to the right wing means messing it up big time as these folks vote over and over against their own interests...

Thank you, Daddy Bush, for pushing America down that slippery slope toward the abyss...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Barry Finn
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 08:10 PM

Bobert
I mentioned somewhere (maybe above) that Hucksterberryy & McFlame both were dissing Harvard, that was a start for dissing the intellengence of Obama & intellegent political contestants in general, paving the way for idiots, but we didn't need the way to be paved both Bush's plowed that road already, trail blazers that they are. As for anyone that would deny education (saying no is not education!), in any field or area, shows a complete lack of education in themselves. Nancy Reagan brought about "Just Say No" (got her nowhere). So the country refused to educate the nation about AIDS, just say no has not helped the nation's drug problems at all but education does as it did with fighting AIDS. So now we have another idiot who believes that JUST SAYING NO will be the most effective way to prevent "kids having kids". "I've got news for you Sarah, it didn't work for you & it didn't work for your kid, educate & school yourself on what you know nothing about before you look to direct the nation on our short comings. We all need better, affordable & easy access to a higher education, thank you" we don't need more breeding centers!

Is this what the republicans really think of "We The People"? Are we really just cannon fodder & scum sucking trailer trash? We are if we vote this lot in & if they do get in they work their hardest to dumb US down even farther.

Palin's veiw of education is plain & simple, like what she thinks & potrays herself to be. She didn't go very far & doesn't think that it's all it's cracked up to be. And why shouldn't she think any better of education, she didn't need much of it herself but she had just enough so she can't she where she's lacking, she doesn't believe in the sciences, I wonder if she ever took a course? With all the evidence & info on climate warming she has the nerve to insult every educated study in the field. We have a new "Village Idiot", this is very much like more of the same. I say "no Thank You to Sarah".

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 07:18 PM

Chicago Tribune:

"By Jessica Reaves
September 7, 2008
Sarah Palin is a woman. Hillary Clinton is a woman. Women just love voting for other women. Women candidates are interchangeable. Therefore, women who would have voted for Clinton are obviously going to vote for Palin.

If this syllogism strikes you as stupid, that's because it is. Not to mention cynical and not a little bit sexist. Yet it also appears to be one of the reasons behind John McCain's choice of a running mate.

Oh, lots of alternative explanations for his decision are floating around: McCain chose Palin because her staunch anti-abortion stance bolsters his case among Christian conservatives; he chose her because she personifies youthful energy while he, well, doesn't. Possibly the Palin decision was a big Bronx cheer meant for strategist Karl Rove, who pushed hard for Mitt Romney (over Joe Lieberman, McCain's rumored first choice). Then again, maybe the Republican candidate for president of the United States plucked his running mate from relative obscurity because he's desperate for the moose-hunting vote. (But really, who isn't?)

Setting aside for a moment the political clout of America's moose-hunting bloc, let's take a closer look at one of the more plausible reasons behind McCain's peculiar pick: He's tipping his cap and winking at disconsolate Clinton supporters, hoping he'll pick up a few all-important Lady Votes from the pool of Still Undecideds who monitored last week's events in Denver but remain unconverted—and unconvinced.
,,,"

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 06:56 PM

That Judith Warner piece is beautifully written.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 06:44 PM

Timothy Noah, in a summation of impressions on Slate:

What interests me today about Palin's speech, however, isn't its predictable reception. Rather, it's the cognitive dissonance of the following passage:
[W]hen the cloud of rhetoric has passed; when the roar of the crowd fades away; when the stadium lights go out, and those styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot—what exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet? The answer is to make government bigger—take more of your money—give you more orders from Washington …

The woman who made this complaint about big government taking your money is the governor of Alaska. Please take a moment to look at this U.S. Census chart showing federal-government expenditures, per capita, in the 50 states. You will observe that Alaska receives about $14,000 per citizen from the federal government. That's more than any other state, and a good $4,000 more than every other state except Virginia, Maryland, New Mexico, and North Dakota. The chart is from the Census Bureau's Consolidated Federal Funds Report for Fiscal Year 2005. I skipped over the 2006 report, the most recent one available, because Hurricane Katrina put Louisiana and Mississippi ahead of Alaska that year. But that's an anomaly. Alaska held the per-capita record for sucking on the federal teat in 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001, and 2000. According to the nonprofit Tax Foundation, Alaska gets back $1.84 for every dollar it pays into the U.S. Treasury—even though Alaska enjoys a higher per-capita income than 34 of the 50 states. This is a state that preaches right-wing libertarianism while it practices middle-class socialism.

Palin has not bucked this venerable tradition. It's been widely reported that even though Palin came out against the federally funded, $223 million "bridge to nowhere," a wasteful Alaska earmark (and one she'd supported before it created an uproar in Congress), Alaska ended up receiving the same amount of federal money as transportation funds to be spent at the state's own discretion. When Palin was mayor of Wasilla, she hired the former chief of staff to Sen. Ted Stevens, the recently indicted dean of the Alaska congressional delegation, to lobby for the town (pop. 6,700)—which, as a result, wound up receiving nearly $27 million in federal earmarks over four years. As governor, Palin just this past February sent Stevens a memo outlining $200 million in new funding requests. Granted,

Palin enjoys inexplicably warm relations with the secessionist Alaska Independence Party, whose founder's anti-Americanism, Rosa Brooks points out in the Los Angeles Times, puts Rev. Jeremiah Wright in the shade. ("The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," he told an interviewer in 1991—a year when Republicans controlled the White House and U.S. troops went into battle to free Kuwait from Iraqi occupation.) But there's little real danger that Alaska would ever choose to secede from the Lower 48. Independence would cost it too much in lost federal revenue.

A pit bull with lipstick? I'd describe Palin as a hog who recommends diet books while feeding at the trough.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 04:59 PM

D. The resurgence of Roller Derby on prime time TV. (8%)

Will get pregnant while in office and John McCain will get dragged into a paternity suit- 8%

Man, 8's is my lucky number today...

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 04:21 PM

Slate has a survey:

"John McCain's choice of Alaska governor Sarah Palin as his running mate has thrown the political world into a tizzy. With apologies to our long-suffering GOP readers for largely disenfranchising them from yet another poll, let's savor the upside of McCain's decision.        
What's the uppest upside of the Palin choice?

A:Best. Reality. Show. Ever. From the unplanned pregnancy to the "I'm a fucking redneck" boyfriend who "doesn't want kids" to the husband's DUI to the in-law custody scandal, it all makes for trash TV that's irresistibly watchable. (28%)

B: The unilateral disarming by McCain. Contradicting his strongest argument (experience), undermining his strongest claim (judgment) and spotlighting his greatest weakness (age), the maverick thing isn't working out so well lately. Suddenly 72 looks a lot scarier. (56%)

C: The unleashing of the Dogs of Press. New and old media media have joined hands as they do what every fiber of their being tells them to: vet the hell out of the new kid. Stay tuned: more to come. (14%)


Gut call on Palin
Will withdraw ~28%        ~ Will lose the election 58%          Will win the election ~15%

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 04:14 PM

Man, I ain't never done "888" before... Kinda cool...

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 04:11 PM

Well put, Greg...

Seems that America has been dumbed down to the pount where even educated journalist have to dance with these morons if they want to keep their jobs...

Sad commentary on American when a Roller Derbt Queen gets nominated to VP and could very well end up the president of the most powerfull country in the world...

I know... Only in America... Why, it's the dream of every Roller Derby Queen to run the entire show... That's what makes 'um Roller Derby Queens in the first place.. They love the attention...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Greg B
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 03:22 PM

Well, she may be the governor with a quarter-million dollar income
but it's been obvious from the start that you can take 'em outta
the double-wide, but you can't always take the double-wide outta
them.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 02:52 PM

Judith Warner on the Femmecapades of the RNC;;

"Could there be a more thoroughgoing humiliation for America's women?

You are not, I think, supposed now to say this. Just as, I am sure, you are certainly not supposed to feel that having Sarah Palin put forth as the Republicans' first female vice presidential candidate is just about as respectful a gesture toward women as was John McCain's suggestion, last month, that his wife participate in a topless beauty contest.

Such thoughts, we are told, are sexist. And elitist. After all, via Palin, we now hear without cease, the People are speaking. The "real" "authentic," small-town "Everyday People," of Hockey Moms and Blue Collar Dads whom even Rudolph Giuliani now invokes as an antidote to the cosmopolite Obamas and their backers in the liberal media. (Remind me please, once again, what was the name of the small town where Rudy grew up?)

Why does this woman – who to some of us seems as fake as they can come, with her delicate infant son hauled out night after night under the klieg lights and her pregnant teenage daughter shamelessly instrumentalized for political purposes — deserve, to a unique extent among political women, to rank as so "real"?

Because the Republicans, very clearly, believe that real people are idiots. This disdain for their smarts shows up in the whole way they've cast this race now, turning a contest over economic and foreign policy into a culture war of the Real vs. the Elites. It's a smoke and mirrors game aimed at diverting attention from the fact that the party's tax policies have helped create an elite that's more distant from "the people" than ever before. And from the fact that the party's dogged allegiance to up-by-your-bootstraps individualism — an individualism exemplified by Palin, the frontierswoman who somehow has managed to "balance" five children and her political career with no need for support — is leading to a culture-wide crack-up....".

(NYT)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 02:12 PM

Palin as a True Believer.

The letter makes a balanced report which reveals her opportunism. That's to be expected, but not virtuous.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 02:08 PM

Read the letter. It sounds like a typical American politician. A nice guy wouldn't get to first base in American politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 01:46 PM

There is an email letter Snopes has investigated, calling the person in Alaska who wrote it. The email is truly written by the person who signed it, Anne Kilkenny, a Wasilla resident who has known Palin since 1992.

She wrote the email and sent it out to about 40 friends and relatives, 2 days after Palin was chosen, and now it has spread across the internet. Her first reason for writing it was that she believes in voters being fully informed. It's too long to quote here.

The Link:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/kilkenny.asp

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 12:44 PM

From a post by Carol C:

"Using data from a 2002 national survey, researchers found that among more than 1,700 unmarried, heterosexual teens between 15 and 19 years old, those who'd received comprehensive sex ed in school were 60 percent less likely to have been pregnant or gotten someone pregnant than teens who'd had no formal sex education."

Remember, this is not a scientific study and should not be taken that way. It is sociology and the professor should be found working in the Liberal Arts Building, near philosophers and such.

To be scientific, there must be strict controls on the membership in the groups studied. No such controls in this one. Actually. the only valid test would be to know what the exact same kids would do with formal school-based sex education and what the same exact kids would do without it. That, of course, is not possible.

"The study found that teens who'd been through abstinence-only programs were less likely than those who'd received no sex ed to have been pregnant. However, the difference was not significant in statistical terms, which means the finding could have been due to chance."

This implies that there is a formal school-based, professionally-taught course in sex education where abstinance-only is taught. I seriously doubt that. Anybody got proof? All the sex education programs I have heard about are aimed at birth control techniques and assume that all student will be having sex in the near future.

BTW, some of these mandatory classes in public schools may have the teacher make your shy 13 year old daughter walk up in front of the class, unpack a condom, and unroll it onto a cucumber in order to get a passing grade. Is this what schools are for? Do the opinions of parents matter anymore? Just asking.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Stringsinger
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 12:36 PM

No, not her choice. Her parent's choice. The shotgun wedding participants show the man's unwillingness to be a part of this ruse.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: meself
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 12:25 PM

"In 1999 43 out of 1000 births in St John NB were to teens."

The chart on p. 158 of The Canadian Journal of Human Sexuality linked to above would seem to indicate that that is, if not below, certainly not above the national average. The same article puts NB as a whole below the national average.

I have no bone to pick with bILL's general point - but as I say, I'm always skeptical about statements that begin with, "[Such-and-such a community - usually one that the speaker lives in or has lived in] has the highest rate of ... " I live in a community which, according to popular wisdom, has "the highest rate of AIDS in the country". I've been told this by 'professionals' as well as by the uneducated. No one, however, has been able to cite any source for this supposed bit of information ... They all seem quite convinced of its validity, though.

Sorry for the thread drift. I'll drop the matter now.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 12:18 PM

I don't think this one is a she. I think this is a different one.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 12:05 PM

Carol, I would suggest a shunning of guest. It doesn't matter what any of us say, she will post her contrary vitriolic no matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 11:57 AM

Once again, please show me where I have expressed any opinion or judgement or made any kind of fuss whatsoever about Palin's daughter being pregnant.

(hint - it's not possible to show me where I did this because it never happened)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 11:54 AM

Donuel, great post re' anger and Rove!

...to teach kids to say no to sex. This funding precludes mention of birth control and condoms, unless it is to emphasize their failure rates.

That is exactly why the just say no teachings don't work...they still don't teach kids anything about how to prevent pregnancy and/or the passing on of STDs.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 11:52 AM

Carol, (Since I'm the one who used the word, I get to decide which meaning I intended.) Right! Freedom of choice...Palin used hers, so what's all the fuss???....oooops...I think we got confused, freedom of choice wasn't used for freedom to kill(abortion)...she chose!..so did her daughter...You or I may or may not agree with that choice...but, like its HER choice, not your, or anyone else..and none of our business, right??? Choice!
Now let's all gang up and sling mud at her for her choice.......that's the hypocritical rub!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 11:45 AM

Speaking of education, Bobert, you can at least use your spell checker.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 11:36 AM

Specious -

3: having a false look of truth or genuineness

(Since I'm the one who used the word, I get to decide which meaning I intended.)

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/specious


But perhaps I was being overly kind.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 11:30 AM

I find it curious that the Repubs have demonized "sex education" and "family planning" as yet more Dem/commie conspiracy...

And here we have Plain's daughter, age 17, preganat and unmarried and Palin herself, age 44, with a recently born Down's Symdrome baby???

Now either of these two facts by themselves might be just as Americana as apple pie but seems that both Palin and her daughter could have used a little more on the education side of family planning and a little less on the side of idealopgy... But, hey, she makes a quarter million a year which should haelp ease the financial burdens but the problem is that not everyone makes a quarter million a year and, regarless of the right wings atred of education, the country on the whole needs to be informed...

(But, Bobert, it's a "personal choice", isn't it???)

Well, yeah... It is... But when folks make persoanl choices with no eductaion or understanding they tend to make bad ones and in the case of lots of peiople without Palin's financial means it's the taxpayers will inevitably end up carring the load for these ill-informed decisions...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 11:27 AM

spe·cious       /ˈspiʃəs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[spee-shuhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1.        apparently good or right though lacking real merit; superficially pleasing or plausible: specious arguments.
2.        pleasing to the eye but deceptive.
3.        Obsolete. pleasing to the eye; fair.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 11:16 AM

In fact, please show me where I have made any judgement whatever about Palin's daughter being pregnant.