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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: mg Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:58 AM About the baby..unless he has heart problems, which sometimes they (Down Syndrome and I think Down's Syndrome, which we have always said should be OK but I will go along with it..do we say Sjogren Syndrome. No we say Sjogren's syndrome. Lots of syndromes have apostrophes. Oh well.) Anyway, I don't know that he would require extra special care above and beyond what any infant would need. I am sure she will get any special enrichment activities he needs. I would prefer women and men with very small children not be vp or p but she probably won't win. Her little girl might be another story. I don't know. They do have a father who can take them on snowmobile rides. Or out on boat rides..mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: mg Date: 31 Aug 08 - 01:43 AM I had heard of her for months. I can't believe these big wigs and senators etc. who ae saying they never heard of her. I don't think she is qualified for VP but as a person she is very impressive. Maybe we could invite her to Fisher Poets. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Barry Finn Date: 31 Aug 08 - 01:21 AM "She is one of the most popular public executives in the U.S" I know of nobody who knew of her until now, course I'm in the Northeast. But then as others have said she's no Hillary & in fact she's no Kerry or Kennedy either. "Popular" she was unknown except maybe in the local sports world but that goes for the local weatherman too, maybe he should give the job a go. "worked as a sports reporter". She'll do just fine as an anchor, she'll drag McCain to the bottom. Being a reporter, that's not a lot to go on, please, can we get serious here. As to debating, destroying? Do you think she'll hold her own debating Biden? Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Aug 08 - 11:39 PM I pretty much spoke what I needed to say about this VP candidate yesterday, but I find the presence of a thread about her choices in having her last child and the quote from an article that Kat cut and pasted troubling:
This is where the line needs to be drawn. Speculation about who cares for her children, or if she should work outside the home when she has a child with Down Syndrome, those are questions it's illegal for an employer to ask an applicant. Even as a public figure, these are her private choices to make. I think she'd be a stinker of a VP, but I draw the line at this kind of speculation. It's totally out of line. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 30 Aug 08 - 11:10 PM "'Sarah Palin's chief qualification for being elected governor of Alaska was that she was not Frank Murkowski.'" And her chief qualification for serving in the White House is, she's not Barack Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 30 Aug 08 - 11:03 PM "She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. 3" MoveOn.org has a very serious credibility problem, but if they're right about her support of Pat Buchanan, she's my kind of girl. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 30 Aug 08 - 10:31 PM Now that I've read more about her and this choice of Palin has really sunk in, I am feeling insulted and angry that McCain would be so irresponsible as to place a person like this in a position of being second in line in this country if he wins. Coincidentally while researching her background, I've been listening to an in-depth report by CNN of both McCain and Obama's background. They've finished McCain and are in the bio of Obama now. As someone who was nationally recognized while he was still in Harvard Law School, I'm looking at the thin resume of Palin in comparison to Obama, and I'm thinking... how the heck could McCain ever do this to the country? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Maryrrf Date: 30 Aug 08 - 10:10 PM I'm still in shock about Sarah Palin being chosen as the vice-presidential candidate - but glad because I think this mistake will cost the republicans dearly. Tonight I went out to dinner with three people who had told me earlier they were planning to vote for McCain. They've changed their minds since he picked Sarah Palin as his running mate. I hope that's an indication of what's to come. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 30 Aug 08 - 07:54 PM "As mayor of Wasilia, Palin built - as her legacy - a $15 million multi-use indoor ice arena on land that did not belong to the city. It will cost Wasilla at least an additional $1.67 million to acquire the land which the town is attempting to pay for by cutting library services, postponing capital improvement projects, and raising fees." click |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 30 Aug 08 - 07:46 PM I've found there are already a number of groups on Facebook against the Sarah Palin vp choice... like "Sarah Palin is NOT Hillary Clinton". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: pdq Date: 30 Aug 08 - 07:40 PM Geraldine Ferraro, calling Barack Obama "sexist," may not back him Might fully one-third of the six surviving Democratic vice presidential nominees end up opposing their party's national ticket this November? That possibility arose today based on comments Geraldine Ferraro, the 1984 Democratic veep candidate, made to The New York Times. Sen. Joe Lieberman, who occupied the No. 2 slot for the Democrats in 2000, months ago declared for presumptive Republican White House nominee John McCain. And Ferraro, a staunch Hillary Clinton supporter who sparked a brouhaha earlier this year over whether she made a racially dismissive remark about Barack Obama, apparently is no longer a reliable Democratic vote. Ferraro, in the NYT story, terms Obama "terribly sexist." And, as a result, she says she may not be able to cast her ballot for him if, as anticipated, he gains the Democratic presidential nod. On the positive side for Democrats, no signs of apostasy are emanating from the four other one-time party veep candidates still alive -- John Edwards (the '04 nominee who officially signed on with Obama last week), Al Gore (the nominee in 1992 and '96), Walter Mondale (the 1976 and 1980 nominee) and Sargent Shriver (George McGovern's running mate in 1972 -- they may have gotten trounced by the GOP's Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew pairing, but their longevity is impressive). -- Don Frederick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 30 Aug 08 - 07:30 PM Alice I hopw she is a better shot than Cheney too see... http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/don/palin_art2.jpg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Art Thieme Date: 30 Aug 08 - 07:12 PM WE THE PEOPLE will be left to deal with it, however it plays out. That's the rub. Let us hope that it won't be a GRIND, instead, after all is said and done. As one who is now elderly, disabled and unable to ply my trade, I do think about it, but not too often. The proverbial glass is more than half full----- possibly because I just threw up in it! Onward and upward to all, Art |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,heric Date: 30 Aug 08 - 06:35 PM man still down |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 30 Aug 08 - 06:18 PM From the Fairbanks Daily News - Miner Palin unqualified to serve as vice president quote in part: "Sarah Palin's chief qualification for being elected governor of Alaska was that she was not Frank Murkowski. She did not win because of her conservative credentials, her grasp of policy details or because of her track record as the mayor of Wasilla, an office she won in 1996 by collecting 617 votes. Perhaps the strangest claim repeated endlessly on the news channels is that she has proven she can cut taxes and reduce the size of government in Alaska. She may have cut taxes as mayor of Wasilla, but that's not the same as cutting taxes as governor of Alaska, where there is no state income tax or sales tax to cut." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Aug 08 - 06:08 PM Here's a link to the Dan Quayle Center and Museum |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 30 Aug 08 - 06:01 PM From an Alaskan blog discussing Palin, "to say something nice about Palin, I bet she is a better shot than Cheney". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: katlaughing Date: 30 Aug 08 - 05:41 PM Sorry, Alice, thanks and thanks for the MOS comment! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 30 Aug 08 - 05:40 PM I already posted that Newsweek article link, Kat. I guess it jumped out at a lot of us. I was listening to the article's author on CNN when I searched and found the link. Here is a comment I found on the NYT web site. This should not go unreported: "no one brought up the fact that she, in front of a worldwide audience, broke Operational Security the Military prides itself on. She announced the MOS of her son serving in the Army, and went on to say the exact date and the country her son's unit will deploy too. She has not only endangered the life of her son, but all the other soldiers in his unit. Senator John McCain never talked about his own son's service for that very reason. I think it shows the lack of Judgment on the part of McCain's Camp to not screen her speech and shows her own inexperience on the National Stage. For a candidate who prides himself on National Security his Vice Presidential choice just blew that argument out of the water. So why are we not talking about this issue?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Aug 08 - 05:31 PM The sentence that jumped out for me was: "The last governor chosen for vice president was Spiro Agnew in 1968." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: katlaughing Date: 30 Aug 08 - 05:18 PM From that article, I see others have the same concern I do: The balance between work and family, always a ticklish issue, will be brought into bold relief by the fact that the Palins' fifth child, Trig, was born with Down syndrome in April. Todd Palin, a commercial fisherman, may shoulder the bulk of the child-rearing duties in their family. But many voters will nonetheless wonder whether Palin should undertake the rigors of the vice presidency (and perhaps the presidency) while caring for a disabled infant. The subject will no doubt arise on "Oprah" and in other venues. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: katlaughing Date: 30 Aug 08 - 05:17 PM Newsweek agrees with Big Mick about her. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 30 Aug 08 - 05:15 PM RCP Average 08/18 - 08/29 -- 47.7 43.8 Obama +3.9 Gallup Tracking 08/27 - 08/29 2709 RV 49 41 Obama +8 Rasmussen Tracking 08/27 - 08/29 3000 LV 49 45 Obama +4 CNN 08/23 - 08/24 909 RV 47 47 Tie USA Today/Gallup 08/21 - 08/23 765 LV 48 45 Obama +3 Hotline/FD 08/18 - 08/24 1022 RV 44 40 Obama +4 ABC News/Wash Post 08/19 - 08/22 LV 49 45 Obama +4 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 30 Aug 08 - 04:23 PM JtS predicted last night that the oil companies (and their minions) will be throwing McCain's candidacy a lot more money now that Palin is his running mate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 30 Aug 08 - 03:55 PM I wonder how much of that $7 Mil was from people who donated in desperation hoping to save the GOP in spite of this risky pick. The interview I just heard asking her if she was comfortable in being a heartbeat away from the presidency, she said "Yup, yup." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,heric Date: 30 Aug 08 - 03:46 PM McCain Gets $7 Million Bounce from Palin Pick Sen. John McCain has taken in $7 million in contributions since announcing Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, a top campaign aide said today. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/30/mccain_gets_7_million_bounce_f.html aaaarghhhhh. I'm falling to the floor. . . . . . Man down! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 30 Aug 08 - 03:37 PM I disagree that she is knowledgeable about energy. She is an advocate for energy exploitation that puts money in the Alaska coffers, but her ideas about energy and climate change are anti-science. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 30 Aug 08 - 03:37 PM "As recently as last month, Ms. Palin appeared to dismiss the importance of the vice presidency in an interview with Larry Kudlow of CNBC, who asked her about her prospects for the job. "I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me, what is it exactly that the V.P. does every day?" Ms. Palin told Mr. Kudlow. "I'm used to being very productive and working real hard."" (NYT) Did anyone ask her to name the present VP? Or to describe the machinations for which he has been responsible? Jaysus Christ. Wodda maroon. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,heric Date: 30 Aug 08 - 03:30 PM " . . . backs the teaching of creationism in public schools [and is opposed] to abortion even in the case of rape and incest." Good Sweet Jesus. . . . What a crazy-assed country. . . . Mayor of a town of 8,000? Howard Dean has more experience than her. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 30 Aug 08 - 03:28 PM We want to make sure that that V.P .slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we're trying to accomplish up here Apparently McCain hasn't yet given her the memo about "Country First". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 30 Aug 08 - 03:27 PM "Happy birthday, Johnny Mac! You're 72 now, a cancer survivor, and a presidential candidate who has said on many occasions that the most important criteria for picking a vice president is whether he or she could immediately step in if something happened to the president. Your campaign against Barack Obama is based on the simple idea that he is unready to be president. So you've picked a running mate who a year and a half ago was the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, a town of 8,500 people. You've selected a potential leader of the free world who knows little or nothing about the major issues of the day beyond energy. Oh, and she's being probed in her state for lying and abuse of power." (Alice's Newsweek link above) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Aug 08 - 03:19 PM There is no comparison. Obama claims to have been doing public service for twenty five years. He has obviously been preparing for the presidency for much of that time. She says that she prepared to be a sportscaster and fell into public service at the PTA. When she talks about the office she is pursuing she talks about what she can do for Alaska, which puts her on the same moral ground as Ted Stevens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 30 Aug 08 - 03:15 PM Like a Hail Mary Pass, this v.p. pick was done in Desperation, article in Newsweek: she's going to belly-flop at a time when McCain can least afford it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: olddude Date: 30 Aug 08 - 03:07 PM I told my neighbor that I always thought hunting whitetail or Moose with a nuke was not very sporting. And the NRA course I took many years ago my instructor shamelessly left out the portion on Nuke safety |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 30 Aug 08 - 03:06 PM The standard answer to that question usually is, tongue in cheek, "To inquire each day on the health of the president." She could have used that old line. But, she continued to say, "We want to make sure that that V.P .slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we're trying to accomplish up here..." That statement clearly shows her head is at the level of state of Alaska issues, not international and national issues. She is completely inappropriate for the position of vice president. I've been listening to the republican interviews about Palin today on CNN and MSNBC. It is clearly a stretch for them to be defending this choice. The last one I just heard was trying to defend the pick by saying she had been a mayor for a long time and had to handle Alaska's National Guard. PLEEEZE ... give us a break. This would be funny if it wasn't being taken seriously by the GOP. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Aug 08 - 02:56 PM What would happen if McCain dropped dead between the end of the Republican Convention and the election? Would Sarah Palin automatically be the Republican Candidate? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,heric Date: 30 Aug 08 - 02:49 PM What does a Vice President do has been a question as long as I have been alive. I kind of like her candor on that point. Does seem a disastrous choice, though. The red county rednecks are going to keep the white house or not, without much help from sane people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,heric Date: 30 Aug 08 - 02:41 PM The Times said "in front of aides and three reporters." But Schecter is the only one to make the allegation (and he wasn't there.) McCain campaign says "never happened." Schecter claims to have three sources, apparently unidentified. So what about the three reporters, and most news organizations' refusal to acknowledge it? Just a little bit not quite right. I'm not saying it didn't happen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: olddude Date: 30 Aug 08 - 02:41 PM I just talked to my republican neighbor. He brought the subject up not me. I said listen do you really think really think this person is qualified to have their finger on the nuke button that could end the entire world giving something happens and she takes charge. Honest to God this is the response I got and he was dead serious: Obama has been in the senate 4 years and has been out campaigning most of that time, so why would you trust Obama for having a finger on the button? She is a member of the NRA, so I would trust someone who has fired weapons before! I am speechless, how do you argue that point. It is so amazing his brain can actually move his feet. Sorry but that is true .. Good Grief |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 30 Aug 08 - 02:39 PM From MoveOn: "Who is Sarah Palin? Here's some basic background: She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.1 Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.2 She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. 3 Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.4 She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.5 She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.6 How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.7 This is information the American people need to see. Please take a moment to forward this email to your friends and family. We also asked Alaska MoveOn members what the rest of us should know about their governor. The response was striking. Here's a sample: She is really just a mayor from a small town outside Anchorage who has been a governor for only 1.5 years, and has ZERO national and international experience. I shudder to think that she could be the person taking that 3AM call on the White House hotline, and the one who could potentially be charged with leading the US in the volatile international scene that exists today. —Rose M., Fairbanks, AK She is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She's a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska. —Christine B., Denali Park, AK As an Alaskan and a feminist, I am beyond words at this announcement. Palin is not a feminist, and she is not the reformer she claims to be. —Karen L., Anchorage, AK Alaskans, collectively, are just as stunned as the rest of the nation. She is doing well running our State, but is totally inexperienced on the national level, and very much unequipped to run the nation, if it came to that. She is as far right as one can get, which has already been communicated on the news. In our office of thirty employees (dems, republicans, and nonpartisans), not one person feels she is ready for the V.P. position.—Sherry C., Anchorage, AK She's vehemently anti-choice and doesn't care about protecting our natural resources, even though she has worked as a fisherman. McCain chose her to pick up the Hillary voters, but Palin is no Hillary. —Marina L., Juneau, AK I think she's far too inexperienced to be in this position. I'm all for a woman in the White House, but not one who hasn't done anything to deserve it. There are far many other women who have worked their way up and have much more experience that would have been better choices. This is a patronizing decision on John McCain's part- and insulting to females everywhere that he would assume he'll get our vote by putting "A Woman" in that position.—Jennifer M., Anchorage, AK So Governor Palin is a staunch anti-choice religious conservative. She's a global warming denier who shares John McCain's commitment to Big Oil. And she's dramatically inexperienced. In picking Sarah Palin, John McCain has made the religious right very happy. And he's made a very dangerous decision for our country. In the next few days, many Americans will be wondering what McCain's vice-presidential choice means." Sources: 1. "Sarah Palin," Wikipedia, Accessed August 29, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin 2. "McCain Selects Anti-Choice Sarah Palin as Running Mate," NARAL Pro-Choice America, August 29, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17515&id=13660-137503-sUmWCCx&t=1 3. "Sarah Palin, Buchananite," The Nation, August 29, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17736&id=13660-137503-sUmWCCx&t=2 4. "'Creation science' enters the race," Anchorage Daily News, October 27, 2006 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17737&id=13660-137503-sUmWCCx&t=3 5. "Palin buys climate denial PR spin—ignores science," Huffington Post, August 29, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17517&id=13660-137503-sUmWCCx&t=4 6. "McCain VP Pick Completes Shift to Bush Energy Policy," Sierra Club, August 29, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17518&id=13660-137503-sUmWCCx&t=5 "Choice of Palin Promises Failed Energy Policies of the Past," League of Conservation Voters, August 29, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17519&id=13660-137503-sUmWCCx&t=6 "Protecting polar bears gets in way of drilling for oil, says governor," The Times of London, May 23, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17520&id=13660-137503-sUmWCCx&t=7 7 "McCain met Palin once before yesterday," MSNBC, August 29, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=21119&id=13660-137503-sUmWCCx&t=8 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Aug 08 - 02:33 PM Bridge to nowhere, Bridge to an airport already well serviced by ferry. Same dif? Toronto's down town airport is on an Island, only connected by ferry. I'll wager that Toronto Island airport is a lot busier than Gravina Island's airport. But they get by. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 30 Aug 08 - 02:26 PM LOL I just noticed that Gravina Island doesn't have any roads from the homes of the families who live there to the airport or anywhere else on the island. I guess that means people take their boats to get wherever they want to go. So if they built a bridge for the benefit of those families, the families would have to take their boat to get to the bridge. Then I guess they would have to walk over the bridge to get to the mainland. Makes sense to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 30 Aug 08 - 02:26 PM Choosing Palin, IMHO, is a gimmick. And I think it will backfire on McCain, beginning with the claims of "inexperience" he has thrown at Obama. Already she has made major gaffes, as Mick predicted, in not being able to describe the duties of the VP. Palin: "[A]s for that V.P. talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the V.P. does every day?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Aug 08 - 02:13 PM This McGrath? In bad taste: John McCain's ten worst jokes |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Aug 08 - 01:58 PM The Times Online isn't exactly a left-wing blog. Here's what it had about that "plastering on the make-up" bit, along with the rest of "John McCain's ten worst jokes". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Aug 08 - 01:18 PM I think the thing that surprises me most about McCain picking her is how much she looks like Keith Olbermann. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 30 Aug 08 - 01:10 PM I shouldn't have but I did http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/don1/legally.jpg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 30 Aug 08 - 12:52 PM If the posts about Palin being the champion of big oil are correct, and Hurrican Gustov raises the pric of oil, the American public will be out in droves to support her. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: olddude Date: 30 Aug 08 - 12:39 PM It just goes to prove the age old saying "beauty is only skin deep ... stupid goes right to the soul" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 30 Aug 08 - 12:34 PM way to go Heric, I was wondering about temper COUNTRY FIRST MIDDLE CLASS LAST PRO LIFE PRO WAR CASH IN WITH PALIN DRIL DRILL DIRLL ALL THE WAY TO CAPITOL HILL |
