BS: Militant atheism has become a religion

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 06:43 PM

""They've gotten considerably farther than that at my house... ;-) But you can't expect me to reveal everything.""

LH please don't! The very thought makes me quite queasy.

:-)LOL

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 08:31 PM

I doubt a medallion of our doubting Thomas yanking the plank will sell though.

Oi, I've invested a lot in this, and pitching it at at £1.49 delivery inc. is bound to make it attractive. We can't lose here. We either sell a ton and make a fortune, or we sell very few and the bloody thing becomes a collector's item meaning that we can sell our stock off at vastly inflated prices. I did get this bastard thru' Dragon's friggin' Den, fer chrissake. Concerened managed to make them at a unit cost of 20p each, you know, once he'd nicked the brass from an accordion reed-making factory, and I managed to dupe him into thinking that the 50p per hour I was paying him was a damn sight higher than what he'd get in Poundland.

Apple sauce - add celery to the list and I will try not to veto your proclamation.

You're not trying to eat that Tesco Moroccan shit, are you? We need a compromise here. We don't ban celery but we decree that it must be used only in making chicken stock. Yeah?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 08:31 PM

I doubt a medallion of our doubting Thomas yanking the plank will sell though.

Oi, I've invested a lot in this, and pitching it at at £1.49 delivery inc. is bound to make it attractive. We can't lose here. We either sell a ton and make a fortune, or we sell very few and the bloody thing becomes a collector's item meaning that we can sell our stock off at vastly inflated prices. I did get this bastard thru' Dragon's friggin' Den, fer chrissake. Concerened managed to make them at a unit cost of 20p each, you know, once he'd nicked the brass from an accordion reed-making factory, and I managed to dupe him into thinking that the 50p per hour I was paying him was a damn sight higher than what he'd get in Poundland.

Apple sauce - add celery to the list and I will try not to veto your proclamation.

You're not trying to eat that Tesco Moroccan shit, are you? We need a compromise here. We don't ban celery but we decree that it must be used only in making chicken stock. Yeah?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 08:34 PM

And would the utterly non-divine git who made that post appear twice please delete one and stop trying to undermine my messianic authority?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 03:54 AM

All religions repeat their mantra. Repeatedly.
All religions repeat their mantra. Repeatedly.

You see fellow Messiah Steve, its the only way to achieve effective brainwashing. Remember that BBC journalist who flipped his lid when the spokesman from Scientology just kept repeating and not answering his questions. Most religions and those who profit from them have similar approaches.

A bit like when I was at school. We were all learning about Pavlov. Then the bell sounded and we all went for dinner.




Thankyouverymuch.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 06:43 AM

see fellow Messiah Steve, its the only way to achieve effective brainwashing.

Yebbut we need some distinguishing mark to make us attractive in ways different to the non-New Truth so-called belief systems. Repeating repeating stuff is an excellent ploy, no doubt about it (it always captures captures the attention). I was thinking of cheap beer and free chips. Have you got any money?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket as a spiv
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 07:15 AM

We had bingo.... The beer is cheap up here.

Free chips? Dunno. Might make loaves and fishes go a bit further I suppose.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 07:47 AM

I was thinking more al fresco, not in a hall again. I've generated just the weather for it. I could do a bit of preaching while the punters ate and drink their fill. Is there a Mount near you anywhere?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 08:31 AM

Sermon on the mount eh? Nah, can't see that working.

Blessed are the cheese-mongers...

bollocks!!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket looking out window
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 08:45 AM

Here in North Lincolnshire, I look out over the flatlands for sight of a mount.

The only mount I know of was Betty Swollox and she is inconsolable since you shouted at her.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 08:26 PM

Well do give Swollox my regards, delivered from a distance as ever, and, if you ever mount her Mount, don't forget to wash your hands afterwards. And everything else, come to think of it. Are you sure Lil isn't a better bet than Bet?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 05:45 AM

""Yebbut we need some distinguishing mark to make us attractive in ways different to the non-New Truth so-called belief systems.""


BY JOVE, HE'S GOT IT! I THINK HE'S GOT IT!

The perfect name for your new religion's repository of collected wisdom and moral guidance.

The answer to the Bible, the Q'ran, the Torah and all other religious tomes.

Gentlemen, I give you.....(drum roll).......... THE YEBBUT!

Perfectly descriptive of the Atheology of the Master, Steve Shaw!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:10 AM

Why, Don, I'd realised what a genius I'd been coming up with that, but you know me - far too self-deprecating to crow about it, so I left it to you! I'm thinking you'd make a good henchman, Don - possibly a sort of archangel-equivalent in the hierarchy. Do you scrub up well?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:21 AM

He scrubs up better than Lil. And he takes no shit from no one.

He even politely ignores my double negatives.

Today Mudcat tomorrow the world!

By the way, got this Church of England vicar on the phone. Says he can't handle the idea of a woman bishop and can't decide to join us or the offer from the left footers.   Can we consider altar boys and a youth club with camping weekends? If so, we may have a convert. Just waiting for his CRB to come back.

I'll let you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:40 PM

But shall the name be called "Yebbut the New Truth"? Or "Yebbut Nobbut the New Truth"? Just "Yebbut"? Or, when we're in fundamentalist mode, just "Nobbut Yebbut"? Do we understand ballots?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket sans bingo calling
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 03:12 AM

Did you know? This thread is more popular than old pocket watches and by three whole posts.

It's becoming a movement I'm telling you. ...

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 03:18 AM

Yebbut we also have the Toerag, which is where the learned scribes interpret the Yebbut in light of various situations. So, for instance, if the Yebbut says 'Thou shalt shag thy neighbours wife.', the Toerag could interpret that as 'Thou shalt shag thy neighbours wife unless she looks like Nora Batty.'. Or, if the Yebbut says 'Do not let anyone mess with your head.', the Toerag may clarify that as 'Never get your hair cut or beard trimmed.'. See?

bollocks!!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 06:26 AM

Thou shalt shag thy neighbour's wife unless she looks like Nora Batty.

Or unless she's Swollox in which case the ten-foot bargepole comes in handy.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 06:31 AM

Did you know? This thread is more popular than old pocket watches and by three whole posts.

It's becoming a movement I'm telling you. ...

Huh? Old pocket watches have movements. We need a period of silence apropos of Betty's "movements" as well. The bingo hall mass food-poisoning court case is up next week. I need a lawyer.

And....messianic joke comin' up....



Is this post a wind-up?    Bwahahahaha!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 09:44 AM

""Why, Don, I'd realised what a genius I'd been coming up with that, but you know me - far too self-deprecating to crow about it, so I left it to you! I'm thinking you'd make a good henchman, Don - possibly a sort of archangel-equivalent in the hierarchy. Do you scrub up well?""

I'm afraid that being a longtime independent irreligious loner, I have absolutely zero experience of henching, but I do appreciate the offer.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 09:46 AM

C'mon you atheists.

Don't you realize we are in danger of having the thread on Zimmerman pass us?

Surely you have more time to waste and nonsense to spew than your contributions so far.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 09:57 AM

""Surely you have more time to waste and nonsense to spew than your contributions so far.""

I'm sure you know best Ron.

Like to share any of your wisdom?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 03:16 PM

W e
a r e n ' t
F u c k I n g
a t h e i s t s

Our faith and religion has everything yours has except we have the advantage of knowing ours is a pack of bullshit to intimidate people so we can control them.

The clue is in the song.

The Lord is my Shepherd.

Baa Baa !

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 03:20 PM

W e
a r e n ' t
F u c k I n g
a t h e i s t s


Is that a divine ruling, Messiah M? Personally I would say I am fucking anyone I fancy :-)

bollocks!!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 02:23 AM

Ah, if you are a high priest of our cult, you can fuck the faithful with impunity. You don't need atheists my gnoble brother.

Not really a divine ruling as hedonism is in the contract so divine rulings are purely for the gullible sods who fund our lifestyle.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 02:34 AM

Thank you Almighty One (of two).

bollocks!!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 06:21 PM

You'll not have failed to notice how sagely quiet I'm being. There needs to be an air of messianic mystery about one, I've found. All this bingo and Swollox malarkey has made me seem a little too earthbound. I'm off to Watford Gap tomorrow to check on the Glee Shack (Wacko's been a bit quiet - maybe he's up there using the special solo sex seat...) It's a fortnight now since I hired those plumbers to fill in the urinal pipe-holes in the back wall.

Paying them in advance with the bingo profits wasn't a great idea, huh... Anyone know where I can get cheap blu-tack in bulk?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 06:29 PM

We have hope. The royal baby has been free of the delectable loins of wotsername (you know...the queen of benefits scroungers...) and he hasn't mentioned "God" once yet. Do you think he thinks his dad is called Lightning Balls?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 08:38 AM

I can't tell you how disappointed I am that you militant atheists have dropped the ball.   And just when the Zimmerman thread is poised to overtake. Oh, the shame of it.

There's a lot more to be said on the topic.   And if I'm forced to, I'll have to start saying it.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 10:45 AM

Go, Ron, go!

bollocks!!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket sans Clapton
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 01:59 PM

Go on Ron. I bet you can't talk sanctimonious bollocks!

Here's a tip. Instead of trying, just bring your tambourine and Bible to the debate and try to talk in earnest. Works every time to date.

Here, fellow Messiah. All the other ones, the sandal wearing ones anyway, have a trinity. Do you think we should be father (you are older than me) son (I still have all my own teeth) and holy gnome?

What do you think?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 02:23 PM

You should aim higher. The Mormoms give you your own planet if you tithe and behave.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 02:39 PM

I can't aim higher so just stop taking the piss.

bollocks!!

DtG,C,LBandSP

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket taking no shit from you pal
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 03:00 PM

Hah! Mormons may offer a planet but your Jesus offers a place next to him and his old man through the pearly gates.

We can offer ten mins with Betty Swollox. If you survive that, Dave will make you a plate of chips and black pudding. Still with us? I'll get the karaoke machine out and give you my rendition of Dancing Queen.

And don't forget, we give you fully unredeemable air miles with your weekly subscriptions.

Bloody established religions. No marketing .   Except of course when exploiting poor countries.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 08:11 AM

"There is no evdence for a God." Others may disagree. Including quite a few scientists, who reach a point where their scientific knowledge cannot explain all natural phenomena.

But more to the point, there is no proof there is no God.

As I've said before, the problem with you militant atheists--and there is no doubt that fits many of the illustrious Mudcat atheists to a T, is that you are arrogantly asserting something with no more proof that a fundamentalist has for his views.

And on top of that, your music is wretched.   There seems to be something about atheism which drains one of any creativity, at least in music.

Have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 08:17 AM

One more thing.

Your sense of humor appears to be lacking, to say the least--teasing you seems to send you ballistic, and make you fall into the gutter.   Who knows, perhaps that's your normal habitat.

But aside from these quibbles, you're wonderful people, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Musket
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 08:28 AM

My music is wonderful! I include Bach, Vivaldi...   I love lots of music for music's sake.

Out of interest, Bach is the most atheist music I can think of. It shows us infinite possibility in the cadence, and you know what? The further I peer down his score, the less chance I have of seeing an old bloke causing death and destruction.

There is no evidence for a lack of a God, but there is no evidence for it either. The flying teapot has the same amount of evidence.

There is not a single scientist who disagrees with the no evidence for a god. Not one. Where you cannot explain natural phenomena, it is through not having the the knowledge to understand just yet. Eventually, a theory exists that stands true till it is honed and even trashed in the light of further evidence. There is no qualification for the general term scientist, hence religious people call themselves scientists to prove false points, in much the same way as shampoo manufacturers invent "patented" enzymes to sound clever in TV commercials. By definition, science is about discovering what is, not proving what you want it to be.

What any of that has to do with religion is beyond me? The only link I know of is that as we learn more about the world around us, assumptions in scripture are put aside. Some people don't like that, as medeivel superstition still has a pull on shallow ignorant people. Most people with faith see it as a metaphor so have no tension between reality and fairy stories.

Perhaps one day we will find the delusion gene???



I wrote that as Musket. Sorry to any militant atheists reading, if there are any on Mudcat, for answering on your behalf. He didn't mean militant atheists, he meant people who he scorns by calling them such.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 08:48 AM

My very thoughts on Bach.

How do you know I'm older and toothlesser than you anyhow?

I have in fact been uncomfortably close to you for the last three days, namely, staying at Bury Premier Inn. We had a lovely day up the Ribble Valley and round Pendle (I'd instructed the clouds to part - if God can do it with water...) Not a witch in sight. Even they're scared of our New Truth.

I've struck up a sponsorship deal with Wonga. All agreed?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 02:55 PM

Hey - You were quite close to me too. Well, physically. You always are spiritually of course...

I shall be driving by Pendle twice tomorrow. You still there? Physically, not spiritually...

bollocks!!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 03:04 PM

I live in North Lincolnshire. A fair distance although I live only 15 mins from M62 I suppose.

I know I am younger than you cos I am like you a Messiah so know bloody everything. Everything do you hear?

Ok. I don't understand the Liverpool FC bit.

Dave. Brilliant pie shop in Clitheroe. Millions of different sausages too.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 09:15 PM

Clitheroe is pub foodie heaven, I'm told. There's a good ice cream place too (dammit, can't remember its name...) OK, so maybe not Knott End after all then...?

Alas, Dave, my visit was brief, though I shall be up there again with Mother some time in mid-August for a day or two - I nearly always take her for a drive over t'Nick o' Pendle on our way to our favourite eatery, the Three Fishes at Mitton. This time we had lunch there, then drove the pretty way to Downham where we had a pot of tea at the Assheton Arms. It was on Wednesday when there was that somewhat spectacular fire at Padiham which resulted in a plume of black smoke that could be seen for miles around.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 05:37 PM

Anyone up for getting Swollox pregnant and then us claiming, sometime next April-ish, that we've had a virgin birth? Shagging her, I promise, is dead easy, as long as you only breathe out...

Upsides: (1) a good bit of rough nookie with Betty (I'm told she's got some friggin' brilliant unorthodox bedroom methods...) (2) you get to have your own baby quasi-Jesus...

Downsides: (1) We will have the Virgin Betty (2) you will probably get VD...

All thoughts appreciated. By the way, I still need money for Watford Gap and the bingo lawsuit.

Dave...?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket sans Clapton
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 03:37 AM

We could always film the event and get a religiously dangerous Australian Hollywood actor to promote it. The Passion of Dave.   

Sorry Dave, but I am too choosy and Steve has a hangup over his age. Might take more than Betty to give him a stirring in the loins region. I'll post a few photos of Steve Gerrard, see if that can help.

Our proposed branching out with an outreach temple in Dumbfuckistan is suffering a setback. Our nautical friend is cutting and pasting Messiah Steve's posts from elsewhere to convince the pious Americans we British are too uncouth for Mudcat.

Looks like the new religion may not be as multicultural as we wished. Still, they don't have gnomes or an endless supply of misogyny targets. If Betty won't be our virgin, plenty more where she came from. Freddie Mercury once said fat bottomed girls make the rocking world go round. I can therefore state with confidence that Doncaster is the epicentre for astrophysics.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 09:34 AM

I just dropped of the Gnomedotters at Wycoller Country Park. The view of Pendle on the way back was spectacular. I put it all down to Messianic munificence. And awsome alliteration...


bollocks!!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 04:03 PM

Repeat after me, while dribbling down your collective chins, sticking your thumbs up your bums and keeping your minds firmly in neutral;

" I am a waste of skin and hair, I am a waste of skin and hair, I am a waste of skin and hair"; repeat four times a day untill you all can act and think like rational human beans.. some how I doubt it....have a nice day?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 05:52 PM

Christ almighty, concerened, you're a friggin' GENIUS!!! Why didn't I think of it before: a signature mantra! Something for all followers of the New Truth to chant! We could easily outdo those dropout twats on Glastonbury Tor with their bloody tomtoms! Not entirely sure about the skin and hair bit, however. It sounds just a little scabrous, if you take my meaning. Like, not exactly what will attract new punters to the cause. Could you work on something incorporating more, say, bums, bellies 'n' tits? Sexist allusions would be great - we're well up for them. How's the second batch of plank-walking medallions coming along, by the way? I have a stall booked on Bury Market...

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 07:16 PM

Musket is to Brits as Shaw is to scientists.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 07:34 PM

Wanna be one of our apprentice altar boys, Wacko? It's only a five-year course but you will have to promise to keep your white bits shaved...

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 07:58 PM

The view of Pendle on the way back was spectacular. I put it all down to Messianic munificence.

I sent up a few towering cumulonimbus clouds to dramatise the view. I did toy with snow, but bejaysus we have to maintain at least a little credibility....

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Ron Davies
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 08:30 PM

Two typos I didn't catch. Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa.

"no evidence for..."

"no more proof than a..."

Please accept my humble apologies.