BS: UK thread, Politics and political

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 May 20 - 04:28 AM

I can hardly bring myself to watch the awful Helen Whately. God knows how people like that get anyone to actually vote for them.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 May 20 - 03:55 AM

I found Starmer's stance on this issue a strong confirmation that he isn't going to rock the status-quo boat as far as righting the wrongs in Britain
He didn't stress the outrageous behavour of this bunch of crooks in defending this arrogant arsehole - he said Boorish must "Get back on track"
I doubt that many here don't know where that track leads
The Tories have yet to get "on track" as gar as the pandemic is concerned - twists, contradictions, confusion and U-turns so far - who want to go there
Last night's Question Time was almost overwhelmingly condemnatory - but nobody asked the right question - if the architect of this lock-down can ignore the guidelines with the enthusiastic support of the Government why the **** shouldn't nobody else who feels like it do the same
This lethal moron should be frogmarched out of Downing Street along to The Old Bailey and tried for deliberately misleading the British People
Maybe they can find a jury of his peers in Regent's Park Zoo
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 May 20 - 02:50 AM

Just imagine the outrage of Jeremy Corbyn had done a Cummings. To say I am disgusted by the attitude of Bojo and his sycophants is an understatement. I have friends who are now attacking the press for what they are doing after a long silence while that same press were destroying Corbyn. I am not going to fall out with them over this but you can be damned sure that I will point out that the press have always been the same. One thing in Cummings' favour. If the Daily Heil are running for him, he must have done something right :-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 29 May 20 - 02:25 AM

I see the Guardian has a quotation from the session I have just described:

Labour also kept the pressure on Johnson. Keir Starmer, the party leader, said it was “extraordinary that the prime minister stopped the scientists being able to answer a question put to them by journalists”.

Answering questions on a virtual Q&A with voters, Starmer said this reflected badly on Johnson: “The government has been saying for weeks on end, this is about transparency, it’s about answering whatever questions you’ve got. And then on the question people want to hear an answer on, he stops them answering. It’s the wrong thing to do.

“I don’t think he’s going to have impressed anybody with that tonight. I don’t think he’s impressed anybody over the past week.”

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 29 May 20 - 02:01 AM

My review of the 'Ask Keir' videoconference with Kier Stsrmer 'at' Southmapton.

Let's begin with a health warning. I understand that every politician wants to say things that resonate with people, and presenting it well is a skill many have. I have heard many politicians 'live' with an audience and most of them manage to leave the audience satisified and even buoyed up. Most of them do that with a well rehearsed speech, and rhetorical skills - knowing what to repeat, knowing when to raise and lower the voice and so on - so it is in some ways more like attending a performance of a play, rather than a meeting.

So, we need to make sure we are not carried away by it all.

The timing, format and content were all important, so I will say a bit about each. It took place on 28/5/2020, starting at 6:15pm; the daily coronavirus meeting had ended something like 15 minutes beforehand. The session opened with an introduction by the chairman who was strictly non-political but a presenter of Wave Radio, a local station. I guess, but don't know, that it went out live on the radio as well. He spoke for less than a minute and just described how the session would run. So at round about 6:17, Keir Started speaking and spoke for no more than 2 minutes himself saying the whole purpose was to answer people's questions, but he wanted to say he was appalled by how the questions to the scientists had been blocked by Johnson in the press conference that had just finished, and how dangerous that was.

I make a point of that, because as in my health warning, even in Q+A sessions, a lot of the same questions come up, and a good politician has, after a few such sessions, stock answers he can give. This was a 'near real time' event: he had no focus-group information on whether people thought Johnson was right to stop the questions or not. In fact, because there is a 'chat window' running alongside the press conference, the only feedback he might have got was that people thought it was right to stop the scientists being drawn in. (I suspect that are a lot of tory staffers posting many of the comments, but that is by-the-by.) So his condemnation of that and recognition of the dangers was as near genuine as you could expect.

It was an hour session, and we are about three minutes into it. The rest of the time, he was responding to questions from the public. He did seem to have a template for the answer, which was invite the person to say how they voted last election and why they chose that, then answer the question, then ask them if they had one thought they wanted him to take away from this, what would it be? He did not follow that absolutely strictly, but it seemed to come up a lot.

One of the things he had said in the opening 2 minutes was he recognised how badly Labour had failed at the election, and the only way to turn that round in his view was to listen to people, particularly those who didn't vote Labour and understand their concerns. He said people often ask him which previous leader he most models himself on, and he claims not to. Obviously, that is one of these prepared answers, but I would say there is one characteristic of Blair that he seemed to me to follow: a willingness to do what it takes to win. There are definite risks in that, especially for those who fear he will be too centrist, or even towards the right. But it is clearly different to the Corbyn approach, which was much more if you present the right policies, people will vote for it.

As it happened, almost everyone who asked a question had voted Conservative in the last election. There was one ex-LibDem councillor who had also voted LibDem in the last election, but said he had been persuaded by Keir over the past few months so would vote for him next time. The was a youth of around 16 who clearly hadn't had a chance to vote yet, and one of perhaps 25 who was a bit depressed because he lives in a Tory stronghold so felt he vote was largely wasted, but everyone else was either a long standing Conservative or an Labour-but-voted-Tory-last-time person. There were no 'alt-right' Conservatives.

The questions were, in the main, fairly predictable. A nurse wanted to know how we deal with long term pay and conditions. The 16 year old was concerned about how results would be handled, another was concerned about BAME differences in susceptability to the virus and what was being done to protect those at risk and so on.

So some of the answers were stock, I am sure, but they did seem to make sense to me. For example, I liked his decisiveness about school re-opening: yes, we do have to open them as soon as possible, so "we have to lock all the unions, headmasters, scientific advisors, local authorities in a room and hammer out an agreed approach and no-one leaves until we have". One party simply declaring the route cannot work.

Overall, he came over as decisive, and genuinely listening. And I believe he was: this determination to win came over strongly, and I do think he sees understanding why people did not vote for them last time is key.   I also liked the ability to react to the press conference that had finished only a few minutes before while doing other preparation for the call (presumably)

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 May 20 - 03:46 PM

Keir Starmer is very clued up and very intelligent with no insincere bluster.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 May 20 - 03:44 PM

The closed hospital crisis in Weston super mare..

Do we need to say more about whichever fukwit authorised relaxing restrictions on long distance travel..

..to 'exercise'...!!!?????

It doesn't need professors and expensive state of the art mathematical modelling
to have predicted these obvious consequences..

Trusting the common sense of the English population...???

That's a sick joke..

The Govt is definitely devoid of any...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 28 May 20 - 02:25 PM

I have just been in a Zoom call with Keir Starmer (along with a great number of others, obviously.) I was impressed at the way he handled all the questions thrown at him, and there was a promise that all the questions submitted will be answered, so I wait to see what he says about mine. But I am just off for an evening walk now, so you will have to wait for the next installment.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 May 20 - 07:41 AM

Barnard Castle Eye Test A limited edition beer (New England style IPA 6%).
It's been mentioned (positively) in The Guardian, and is quite a clever piss-take (or should that be piss-make?). Profits on the sales are going to Brewdog's continued production of hand-sanitiser for the NHS.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: peteglasgow
Date: 28 May 20 - 06:57 AM

our 'workington man' tory mp Mark Jenkinson defends all the government lies and insults to ordinary people and doesn't like people criticising him or them. it's a risky business round here as he has a well-established reputation as being a bully and not too smart. which reminds me i must change my name. if anyone is interested we have a very good local guy posting on facebook as 'left-eye news' workington. he's quite funny about 'our jenky'

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 May 20 - 06:36 AM

John Crace telling it like it is once again, in The Guardian.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 May 20 - 06:24 AM

I wonder if any of the former-Red-Wall Neo-Tory voters are now beginning to regret their three-word-slogan-fuelled folly in November last year?

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 May 20 - 05:59 AM

Johnson had now ruld out an enquiry into the Cummings affair despite the fact that the number of Toty MPs demanding action on it now top 40
Democrcy rules Ok in the Tory Party, it would appear
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 May 20 - 01:25 AM

It is a disgrace.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 28 May 20 - 12:35 AM

Mrs. Backwoodsperson wrote to our party-line-toeing Tory MP in similar terms, Steve. We hold out little hope of his support

I would - in fact probably did - say the same about my MP, but Royston Smith has joined the list of those who have publicly said Cummings must go. Given his solid ERG support, his support for TTIP, his being identified by the Independent as the least active MP in the 2016 intake, his track record of voting along the party lines (except always pro hard Brexit) ...

Assuming they don't back down, the SNP said they will submit an Early Day Motion saying "This house believes Cummings must go". If that happens, each MP will be forced to declare their stance or abstain. They are all aware of their inboxes and letters and there are enough who have said they want Cummings to go to overturn the 80 majority. If they do not, of course, they will be personally weakened by publicly saying one thing but voting differently.

However: I think there is a great risk that even if he loses the vote, Johnson will simply ignore it. If the Durham Constabulary ask Cummings to come to an interview, I strongly suspect he will ignore them and Johnson would back him. We are in extremely dangerous times if that happens.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 May 20 - 05:58 PM

Apparently there is a local support group where he lives that would have helped out with his child, even though cummings does not support them himself!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 May 20 - 05:31 PM

Mrs. Backwoodsperson wrote to our party-line-toeing Tory MP in similar terms, Steve. We hold out little hope of his support.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 May 20 - 05:28 PM

I wrote to my MP today. He's Scott Mann, Conservative MP for north Cornwall. You might think I was a bit mild.


Dear Mr Mann

I live near Bude, and for 18 months now my 91-year-old mother has been living in a care home in Whitstone, just six miles from me. Before the lockdown I visited her about four times a week. That stopped suddenly in early March. She is profoundly deaf, so I can't speak to her on the telephone, and she is neither allowed out nor am I allowed in to see her. It's now almost three months since I last saw her. Like thousands of people around the country, I've accepted that my mum and I must put up with this very distressing situation for our own safety and for the greater good of the country as a whole.

Imagine then how I feel about Dominic Cummings doing what he did. I can't accept that he had no alternative, a man in his position and presumably with a considerable circle of potential support in London. I hope you will consider joining the growing ranks of Conservative MPs calling for him to step down. The Government will be seriously diminished in its moral standing in the country should he remain in post.

Yours sincerely

Steve Shaw

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 27 May 20 - 11:27 AM

At the end of last week, my brother in law had the virus test because he works in a care home. It came back 'unclear'. So he was ask to take another test and it came back 'positive'. Then he and his wife went for a test to confirm the result and they both came back 'negative'.

Strangely enough, they are they are now a combination of confused and worried (he has underlying health issues.)

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 May 20 - 06:17 AM

Just seen a Reuter’s fact-check article in which Idox state that their recently-appointed non-executive Director, Alice Cummings, is not related to, and has no connection with, Dominic Cummings.

I suppose we have to take their word for it but, in the face of the barefaced lies being touted by most of the leading members of the government regarding Durhamgate, it’s becoming more and more difficult to separate truth from deception.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 26 May 20 - 02:14 PM

GSK throughout that. (What an idiot!)

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 26 May 20 - 02:10 PM

According to a Guardian report of where the Cummings were seen, it wasn't Barnard Castle at all; it was Startforth. Now, admittedly crossing between them takes about 20 seconds on foot over the 16th C bridge, but Barney is in County Durham and Startforth was in North Yorkshire, for example, until transferred to County Durham administrative and ceremonial purposes on 1 April 1974. As with all these places, they don't hold with this new fangled stuff, and consider themselves from Yorkshire. Mixing them up, for the locals, is about as risky as mixing up Newcastle and Gateshead.

Anyway, Startforth is south of the river, and GMK is north of the river, and would be a substantial walk for the child. Depending on how they got to Startforth and where they parked, Dominic Cummings might have gone, but I doubt if the child would. It would make more sense to park north of the river in Barney if visiting GMK was part of their reason for being there.

So my inclination is to suspect they did not visit GMK on this occasion, though of course that is largely conjecture.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 May 20 - 01:50 PM

"must have some very interesting pics of Johnson."
Jaysus - I'm about to have my meal Baccie
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 May 20 - 01:24 PM

please don't make them public domain...

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 26 May 20 - 01:23 PM

... I am not sure ...

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 26 May 20 - 01:23 PM

must have some very interesting pics of Johnson.

There's a known condition called 'Imposter Syndrome' where people feel they are in some way a fraud and people will find them out. It is quire common for stage comedians to have a fear that the audience will suddenly realise they are not really funny.

Boris seems, unfortunately, to be very like that. He fears Cummings is the only reason he has got where he is (I can imagine a "I made you - I can break you" conversation) so he fears that without him he would be exposed as an 'imposter'.

I am now sure what the term is for someone with imposter syndrome who really is an imposter.


I am reminded of a Melanie verse:

There was a man who thought to him his friends were all superior.
And this complex he imagined made life drearier and drearier.
Till his analyst assured him that he really was inferior
As the id goes marching on!

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 May 20 - 01:01 PM

Cummings (now there’s a name to conjure with!) must have some very interesting pics of Johnson.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 May 20 - 12:32 PM

Boris's popularity plummets

I suppose we have something to thank Dom for :-)


The Prime Minister now has an approval rating of below that of opposition leader Sir Keir Starmer, and the ratings of other senior ministers including Dominic Raab and Matt Hancock have similarly tumbled.

And all this is in the Daily Heil! They will be telling us he is antisemitic soon... :-D

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 26 May 20 - 12:31 PM

I have seen a lot of Specsaver jokes: they must be loving the free publicity.

One said they have installed a drive-in eye test centre at Brands Hatch.

It makes sense to me, The top line of the eye chart are dodgems, all the way down to Formula One for the bottom line.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 May 20 - 12:20 PM

Next time I go to Specsavers I'll insist on sitting inside a car simulator as my eye test is carried out. It's the only way to make sure my eyes are working properly. Dom sez so...

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 May 20 - 12:16 PM

So the guy with the dodgy eyes experimentally drove 60 miles with a sprog in the back and a missus who could have done the driving...

Mind you, Mrs Steve won't drive me anywhere. She reckons I'm a terrible passenger. Nothing to do, of course, with my noticing the sheer vandalism she inflicts on the transmission...

There's a very amusing post on twitter which I don't know how to link to. It's a photo of a castle with the caption and Specsavers artwork superimposed "Should have gone to Barnard Castle" :-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 May 20 - 11:50 AM

.. Getting back to London urgently to resume important Govt work..

..or maybe sneaking back quietly before the boss discovered
he'd scarpered up north to mummy in panic...???

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 May 20 - 11:46 AM

.. that's reassuring, two posh pillocks still recovering from serious illness,
sharing long distance driving duties...

.. with a vulnerable child on the back seat..

What responsible parents...

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 May 20 - 11:28 AM

Mary Wakefield, Cummings' missus, can drive. Just thought I'd chuck that one in.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 May 20 - 09:32 AM

I still discount his 'no alternative' excuse as complete bollocks..
In typical tory 'every man for himself' tradition,
he panicked and fled London in sheer mindless terror...

No alternative...???

What, one of the most powerful well connected men in the nation,
could not make a phone call to his elite inner work and social support circle
to fix up immediate professional emergency childcare cover.. Liar...!!!


Now to his dodgy road trip back to London...

He seriously expects us to believe a still unwell man of his importance to the prime minister
could not have asked to be provided with a driver and safe transport,
arranged at short notice on formal request to his employer...??????????????????????????... Liar...!!!

There was never any need for him to get behind the wheel for such a long drive,
that was his own bizarre arrogant reckless choice...

..reasonable, and integrity...??? double bollocks...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 26 May 20 - 09:12 AM

From: Backwoodsman - PM
Date: 26 May 20 - 08:02 AM etc.

Yes, I agree about my post. Mistakes makes were made, lessons will be learned, I am sorry if you feel any distress.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 May 20 - 08:22 AM

I think Cummings drives a Range Rover. The fuel capacity of those vehicles is 57 litres or 12.5 gallons.

Now the comsumption figure given by Range Rover for Extra Urban driving is 44.1 miles per gallon. (I've never managed to achieve manufacturers figures in any vehicle)

So 44.1 x 12.5 will give a maximum range of 551.25 miles

London to Durham          269 miles
Durham to London          269 miles
Durham to Barnard Castle 26 miles
Barnard Castle to Durham 26 miles

Total 590 miles ......………….Ooops!

Just one further point if he is unsure whether he filled up is a quick check on his bank statement. Would only take a couple of minutes.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 May 20 - 08:14 AM

First casualty of the Cummings defence - a Tory junior minister resigns - no doubt more to come
How nay feet has this feller got to shoot himself in
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 May 20 - 08:09 AM

Perhaps worth mentioning too that, on the same day that GSK announced their deal with Sanofi to produce a vaccine, Idox - the company responsible for the government’s track and trace software - announced the appointment of a new director, someone called Alice Cummings.

Could just be two astonishing co-incidences, I suppose?

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 May 20 - 08:02 AM

it is slight pity there is no one to tell us the current approval rating for Johnson and the Government.

Although I’m usually in complete agreement with you, on this occasion I must differ. This is a very much nicer place without the Tory Party’s Mouthpiece.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 May 20 - 08:00 AM

Posted without comment - none being necessary...

Why did Cummings scuttle off to Barnard Castle? A possible explanation....

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 26 May 20 - 08:00 AM

it is slight pity there is no one to tell us the current approval rating for Johnson and the Government.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 26 May 20 - 02:32 AM

There are so many details that sounds odd in combination, even if individually they are plausible, For example the eyesight. I found this on a glaucoma site:


Coronavirus may cause pink eye — but it’s rare
If you see someone with pink eye, don’t panic. It doesn’t mean that person is infected with coronavirus. But health officials believe viral pink eye, or conjunctivitis, develops in about 1% to 3% of people with coronavirus. The virus can spread by touching discharge from an infected person’s eyes.


So lets assume the mid point 2%. One person in 50. Plausible.

But then we hear both he and the Prime Minister had it: as these are independent events, that's now one in 2500. Starting to look dodgy, wouldn't you say?

Then there is the odd detail of the four your old needing the toilet in Barnard Castle (Which I know well: my in-laws lived there for 15 years)

What we always did when the children were small was check if they had been to the toilet before we got in the car, even it was just a trip to the supermarket. You don't want to be stuck in a traffic jam in the middle of a housing estate with a wailing child wanting the toilet. So, as I say, we always ensured they went to the toilet before they left the house and I think all the parents I now did, often after bitter experience. So, they leave the house for a 'short' 30 mile drive and, while there, the child needs the toilet.   A day of so later, they take the child on a 260 mile drive.

Yes, I understand four year olds can be unpredictable in such matters. But it seems far more likely that either there was a lot more than the journey time between the two toilet trips, or else there would be several stops on the 260 mile journey.   So while not impossible, it is a curious detail that doesn't seem too likely.

Incidentally, if you suddenly feel unwell and have to sit and rest after taking 30 mile which was expressly to determine if you were well enough to do the 260 mile one the next day, wouldn't you conclude the answer is 'no'?

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 May 20 - 04:16 PM

He was asked about topping up his tank. He bullshitted that he, er, couldn't quite remember (you'd have thought that an arch spin-doctor might have been ready for that one..). In a frugal car he might have just made the return trip on a full tank, but, considering he also did a sixty-mile return trip to Barnard Castle and a hospital trip...

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 May 20 - 04:06 PM

a magic petrol tree, next to the tory magic money forest...

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: fat B****rd
Date: 25 May 20 - 04:00 PM

Where'd he get the petrol ?

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 May 20 - 01:59 PM

After that convincing heartfelt press conference,
I've changed my mind and shamefully realise how wrong we've always been about him..

Mr Cummings is a noble humanitarian, a self sacrificing hero the nation should be proud of;
and he must be honoured with a knighthood immediately...!!!

The disgraceful treasonous leftist BBC must be replaced with Guido TV...

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 May 20 - 01:47 PM

(Look vulnerable in a skinny white shirt...walk across the garden with a stoop...sit down at a trestle table with your nervous, twitchy legs full in view...speak quickly but be hesitant too...make yourself look like a rabbit caught in the headlights...keep wittering about the same thing...mutter about how flawed you are and how many mistakes you've made, but not about this...let your notes flutter in the breeze...don't lose your temper or sound testy whatever you do...avert your eyes nervously as eye-contact isn't a good look...whatever you do you have to look like the exact opposite of the mean-minded, ruthless, power-crazed lying git that you really are...)

"Sorry I'm late..." (the apologies ended there...)

Didn't Vicky do a great fill-in! Give that woman a bonus!

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 25 May 20 - 01:37 PM

Cumings bleated that he did nothing wrong as the rule allow people to use their judgement. Someone in his position of authority and responsibility - not to mention a £99,999 tax payer paid salary need to apply good judgment, otherwise they are failing within the responsibilities related to the job, particularly where it influences national policies that we are all expected to abide by.

I hope that as a result of this dismissal on the grounds failure to apply good judgement will automatic be deemed unfair or wrongful dismal and subject to retrospective reinstatement and compensatory awards.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: peteglasgow
Date: 25 May 20 - 01:27 PM

did cummings really say about where he was staying 'it isn't a house -it's more a few concrete blocks'? really?- i think we need to see a photo of these blocks