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Origins: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^

DigiTrad:
ARAGON MILL
BLEEDING HEARTS
CROSSING THE BORDER
GO TO WORK ON MONDAY
GONE, GONNA RISE AGAIN
GOVERNMENT ON HORSEBACK
IT'S NOT JUST WHAT YOU'RE BORN WITH
IT'S THE SAME THE WHOLE WORLD OVER 4
MEMORIAL
PASS THE MUSIC ON
TRUCK DRIVING WOMAN
WILD ROSE OF THE MOUNTAIN


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Wild Rose of the Mountain


GUEST,Blind desert pete 08 Aug 00 - 03:23 PM
Pene Azul 08 Aug 00 - 04:12 PM
Joe Offer 08 Aug 00 - 04:13 PM
Sorcha 08 Aug 00 - 08:14 PM
Joe Offer 08 Aug 00 - 08:21 PM
GUEST,Ketil 08 Aug 00 - 08:41 PM
Sorcha 08 Aug 00 - 08:47 PM
wysiwyg 09 Aug 00 - 12:34 AM
Joe Offer 09 Aug 00 - 02:45 AM
Sorcha 09 Aug 00 - 03:32 PM
Joe Offer 11 Aug 00 - 03:02 AM
Stewie 11 Aug 00 - 04:27 AM
GUEST,blind desert pete 12 Aug 00 - 05:52 PM
Sorcha 13 Aug 00 - 12:22 AM
voyager 20 May 02 - 01:35 PM
GUEST,BarryT 20 May 02 - 01:47 PM
bill kennedy 20 May 02 - 01:52 PM
Joe Offer 20 May 02 - 02:10 PM
GUEST,MCP, Tune Add 20 May 02 - 07:47 PM
Ebbie 21 May 02 - 12:46 AM
Bill D 21 May 02 - 12:33 PM
GUEST,Ketil 21 May 02 - 02:24 PM
Desert Dancer 21 May 02 - 02:36 PM
Bill D 21 May 02 - 02:48 PM
Barry T 21 May 02 - 05:26 PM
Sorcha 21 May 02 - 05:33 PM
Barry T 21 May 02 - 05:43 PM
Ebbie 21 May 02 - 11:47 PM
Banjovey 15 Jun 08 - 09:08 PM
Dan Schatz 15 Jun 08 - 09:16 PM
Ross Campbell 15 Jun 08 - 09:16 PM
Dan Schatz 15 Jun 08 - 09:22 PM
GUEST,DonMeixner 15 Jun 08 - 09:25 PM
Peace 15 Jun 08 - 09:53 PM
GUEST,DonMeixner 15 Jun 08 - 10:05 PM
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Subject: Wild rose of the Mountain
From: GUEST,Blind desert pete
Date: 08 Aug 00 - 03:23 PM

Anyone know this song? I dont think its very old.Sort of a world turned upside down theme. thankx


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain
From: Pene Azul
Date: 08 Aug 00 - 04:12 PM

You can get the lyrics here (click).

PA


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Subject: Lyr Add: WILD ROSE OF THE MOUNTAIN (Si Kahn)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Aug 00 - 04:13 PM

Hi, Pete - I'm surprised that the song isn't in our database. this page (click) has a nice RealAudio recording of the song. Click on "Audition" (or here) for the second-place winners, Harmony.
-Joe Offer-

WILD ROSE OF THE MOUNTAIN
words and music by Si Kahn

If I had my life to live
I'd sure live it over
Only walk in brand new shoes
And just lay down in clover
Only work on Christmas Day
All the rest go sportin'
Spend my days down at the creek
And ev'ry night go courtin'

     Honey from the honey comb
     Water from the fountain
     Sugar from the sugar cane
     And my wild rose of the mountain

When I think of home sweet home
It makes my eyes grow misty
Poppa singing gospel tunes
And Momma sippin' whiskey
Whiskey from a white oak barrel
Sure does make good liquor
Makes the nights seem twice as bright
And the days go by much quicker

Chorus

If I had a pickup truck
I'd fill it up with water
Paint a catfish on the side
And make believe I'd caught her
Drive it slowly down the road
Try to keep from bumpin'
Park it down beside the creek
And watch those fish come jumpin'

Chorus

If I had a new made quilt
I'd fill it all with feathers
Take my Rosie by the hand
And lay down there together
Oh the days that I was young
Thoughts that keep returning
Drive the winter night away
Just like a log fire burning

Chorus

© Si Kahn

Copyright ©1982, Joe Hill Publishing

Lyrics from The Si Kahn Songbook, page 104.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Aug 00 - 08:14 PM

I have the tune, and it's in the Fiddlers Fake Book, (David Brody, Oak Pub) If I post it abc, it will be copy-able, as I don't think a WAV file is. I think the Fakebook is online now, I'll go look. If not, you want me to post the tune abc?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Aug 00 - 08:21 PM

Please post the ABC in this thread if MIDI is not available, Sorcha. You say we can find the Fiddler's Fakebook online? Where?

I'm wondering about this - it this really a Si Kahn original, or is it a traditional song with mew words, or what?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain
From: GUEST,Ketil
Date: 08 Aug 00 - 08:41 PM

I learned it from a John McCutcheon recording, we used to play it with Blackberry Blossom for the breaks ;) Ketil


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Aug 00 - 08:47 PM

I think it is a trad tune with (new?) words, or arrang. C to Si Khan. Sorry, I went and looked, and the Fakebook on line is available for sale at amazon, not the contents on line. My bad. Will post abc in this thread,(probably tomorrow--had beer tonite) but be warned, the phrasing is a Booger......


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 12:34 AM

Sorcha GOOD, BEER bad!

~S~


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Subject: Buy The Preacher's Wife a Beer
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:45 AM

Aw, hell, Praise. I'll corrupt ya and buy you a beer tomorrow. Our Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is the Nectar of the Gods.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 03:32 PM

Well, I tried but this one is beyond my minimal abc skills. I snail mailed Joe the sheet music. I looked in all the tune sites I know of, and can't find it on the Web either.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 03:02 AM

Dale rose e-mailed me a recording of a traditional fiddle tune called "Wild Rose of the Mountain." I connected it right away with the John McCutcheon recording of the Si Kahn song. Then I played Si Kahn's recording, and I figured it out. McCutcheon plays a medley, first the Si Kahn song and then the traditional fiddle tune. I always wondered why McCutcheon titled the song
Wild Rose of the Mountain / Wild Rose of the Mountain
Now it makes sense. Two tunes, same title.
-Joe Offer-
So maybe Kahn did write an original tune for his lyrics.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain
From: Stewie
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 04:27 AM

Joe,

The old fiddle tune is closely associated with J.P. and Annadeene Fraley of Rush, Kentucky, who had a lovely album on Rounder - 'Wild Rose of the Mountain: Eastern Kentucky Fiddle Music' Rounder 0037. It may have been reissued on CD.

The note to the album says that the piece came from a fiddler blacksmith by the name of Bun Olney, but J.P. learned it from June Ashland who picked the melody out on a guitar until he learned it exactly. Evidently, the piece is deceptive in its simplicity, for the long sustained notes make it difficult to play correctly. It goes on:

Legend has it that a certain fiddler fell in love with a young lady whom he saw repeatedly at the local dances. As he was providing the music, the fiddler could never seem to strike up an acquaintance with her. He noticed, however, that the girl would stray from one fellow to another, so he likened her to a 'wild rose of the mountain' and composed this tune for her. J.P. notes that this tune bears a similarity to 'Blackberry Blossom'.

Cheers, Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain
From: GUEST,blind desert pete
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 05:52 PM

Thanks joe that what i was looking for great song!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain
From: Sorcha
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:22 AM

Blackberry Blossoms? I hear NO similarity at all! Just goes to show you, huh? Joe, I did snail mail you the dots for the fiddle tune that John Mc does on the Wind that Shakes the Barley album. (Now I have this Wild Rose sound worm in my ear, and I can't even play the tune because of the time changes....arrhhg) Neat info, tho, thanks!


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Subject: Wild Rose of the Mountain
From: voyager
Date: 20 May 02 - 01:35 PM

I've heard Marcy Marxer/Cathy Fink perform this tune
last year at Takoma Park Folk Festival. Also, found a
Debby McClatchy (mp3 cut) on the 'Net.
I'm curious to hear what other Mudcat wisdom follows
this traditional tune around

voyager FSGW Ghetto


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain
From: GUEST,BarryT
Date: 20 May 02 - 01:47 PM

Is this tune, in fact, traditional? I understand it was written by John Mason. One way or 'tother, it's a beauty!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain
From: bill kennedy
Date: 20 May 02 - 01:52 PM

there is a previous thread here, can't do the blue clicky thing yet, but type in Wild Rose of the Mountain in Forum search


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild rose of the Mountain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 May 02 - 02:10 PM

I combined the two threads on this song. As it says above, there are two songs with the same name, so be careful to specify which is which. On his recording, John McCutcheon does a great medley of the two tunes.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: Tune Add: WILD ROSE OF THE MOUNTAIN (Si Kahn)
From: GUEST,MCP, Tune Add
Date: 20 May 02 - 07:47 PM

abc of Si Kahn's tune

Mick

WILD ROSE OF THE MOUNTAIN
Si Kahn Words & Music

X: 1
T:Wild Rose Of The Mountain
M:2/2
L:1/8
C:Si Kahn
K:G
BB AA|GG D2|EE ED|B, D3|
BB AA|GG DD|EE ED|B, D3|
E>D ED|ED G2|ED ED| D A3|
BB AA|GG D>D|EE ED|B, D3||
DE|DE|D G3|
DE|D/DG/- GG/A/|BB AG|E G3||


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 May 02 - 12:46 AM

There are four tunes that I know by the name of Wild Rose of the Mountain. Two are traditionally in D, one is in A and one is a G tune; all very different from each other. (At this point I like the G tune the best- we play it at contradances. Great chords.)

One friend who is a Texas style fiddler plays the 'Honey from the honeycomb, Water from the fountain' one in D then segues into the one in A. The A one is the one in the fakebook, I believe, the one where most of the tune is in 2/4 time except for a couple of measures in 4/4. Or the other way 'round- I no longer remember.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain
From: Bill D
Date: 21 May 02 - 12:33 PM

interesting..Debby McClatchy is the only one I have heard sing this, and the chorus she sings is:

"Honey from the honey comb,
Water from the fountain
Whisky from the White Oak barrel
And my wild rose of the mountain"

wonder where the change happened?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain
From: GUEST,Ketil
Date: 21 May 02 - 02:24 PM

No similarity, we just thought Blackberry made a nice tune for the breaks. We sing it normally (though with 4 versions I wonder lol) There is a recording on www.mp3.com/countyfarm.

Ketil


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 21 May 02 - 02:36 PM

Bill D -- I just listened to Debby's rendition on her "Light Years Away" cd (Marimac 1992) and she's got it as written above. P'raps it's your memory of her that's folk processing it? ;-)

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain
From: Bill D
Date: 21 May 02 - 02:48 PM

hmmm.. I actually had a conversation with Debby about it one night after she sang it...I was commenting about the difference between Red Oak & White Oak and why they make barrels of white oak....

maybe SHE learned different words...*shrug*


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain
From: Barry T
Date: 21 May 02 - 05:26 PM

Ebbie... is this one of the four versions you recognize? This one's written in 6/8 time.

Wild Rose of the Mountain by John Mason.

I haven't been able to find out much about this tune, though I did discover some info about a John Mason who just might be the composer. This information is from 1981 background notes for a different tune:

"...John Mason, a native of the Orkney Islands now practicing law in Troon. He is conductor of the Kilmarnock and Ayr Strathspey and Reel Society, and a well known conductor at Fiddle Rallies."

Can anyone confirm this individual as the composer of this rendition of the title?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 May 02 - 05:33 PM

Sheesh, 19 matches at JC's Tunefinder. (Several are the same tune.) The one in A is the one I am familiar with, but the midi is straight time--McCutcheon plays it very syncopated with time changes.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain
From: Barry T
Date: 21 May 02 - 05:43 PM

Now why didn't I think of the tunefinder? Thanks, Sorcha... that solves my part of the puzzle. The version I know is modern.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 May 02 - 11:47 PM

Yes, Barry T, that is the G one. We don't do it in 6/8, though, but in 3/4. It's a beautiful fiddle piece. Elegant.


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Subject: Lyr. req. Wild Rose of the Mountain by S
From: Banjovey
Date: 15 Jun 08 - 09:08 PM

Can anyone let me have lyrics and tune/chords for Si Kahn's song, Wild Rose of the Mountains.
Thanks


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Subject: Chords Add: WILD ROSE OF THE MOUNTAIN (Si Kahn)
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 15 Jun 08 - 09:16 PM

Yes! It's in the Digital Tradition, here.

As for chords, depends on what key. In D, it's:

D    A      G       D         G             D
If I had my life to live, I'd surely live it over.
D    A       G         D          G                D
Only walk in brand new shoes and just lay down in clover.
G                      D       G               A7
Only work on Christmas Day and all the rest go sportin'.
D       A         G      D          G             D
Spend my days down at the creek, and ev'ry night go courtin'.


Cho:
D    G       D                G       D
Honey from the honey comb, water from the fountain.
D    G       D                                  G         D
Sugar from the sugar cane and my wild rose of the mountain.


There 'tis!

Dan


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Subject: RE: Lyr. req. Wild Rose of the Mountain by S
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 15 Jun 08 - 09:16 PM

Type si kahn into the Lyrics & Knowledge Search box and you'll find a list of Si's songs from the Digitrad database. About fourth in the list is Wild Rose of the Mountain. Click on the title and there you are.

Ross


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Subject: RE: Lyr. req. Wild Rose of the Mountain by S
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 15 Jun 08 - 09:22 PM

Of course, my carefully laid out chords look all gollywobbled and in the wrong place on my browser. But if you know the song they give you a general idea of what the chords might be.

Dan


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Subject: RE: Lyr. req. Wild Rose of the Mountain by S
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 15 Jun 08 - 09:25 PM

http://www.sikahn.com/songbook/index.shtml

Go here for his song book at his site. Lyrics and chords for songs off his first three albums.

Don


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Subject: RE: Lyr. req. Wild Rose of the Mountain by S
From: Peace
Date: 15 Jun 08 - 09:53 PM

http://www.sikahn.com/songbook/index.shtml


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Subject: RE: Lyr. req. Wild Rose of the Mountain by S
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 15 Jun 08 - 10:05 PM

Thanks Bruce, I lack those skills.


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Subject: RE: Lyr. req. Wild Rose of the Mountain by S
From: Charley Noble
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 09:21 PM

It's a fine song! Well worth the learning.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain
From: GUEST,Si Kahn
Date: 08 Jan 12 - 01:15 AM

Hi, Folks. Here's what I know about the tune. I learned it from J.P. and Anadeen Fraley, I think as far back as 1962. I was 18 years old, and was hitch hiking around the Southern mountains, looking for traditional musicians. One day I saw a notice for a festival in Ashland KY, so I went. It turned out to be a sponsored by Jean Thomas, "The Traipsin' Woman," who wrote a book by that name.

J.P. and Anadeen were playing there and invited a bunch of us to their home to jam. Anadeen was playing a six-string lute that J.P. had found in Germany during WW II. He "luted" it, she said.

I never asked J.P, where he got the tune, and always assumed he'd written it himself. I haven't found it anywhere else.

The John Mason tune by the same name is recent and original.

J.P. and Anadeen were great folks, gracious and welcoming. J.P worked in the mines for more than 30 years, and was a solid member of the United Mine Workers of America union, for which I later worked during the Brookside Strike in Harlan County KY. You can learn more about that strike from film maker Barbara Koppel's great Academy Award-winning documentary "Harlan County U.S.A."

Some years later, J.P. and I were both playing the Old Songs festival near Albany NY. I got him to follow my song "Wild Rose of the Mountain" with his tune of the same name, a good memory.

Re red oak vs. white oak: When it's freshly cut, red oak smells to high heaven. I assume that if you put whiskey in red oak barrels, it would absorb some of the smell from the wood, to the point where no one would want to drink it. But, as a building material, red oak is superb. The front sill in the mountain cabin where I've written songs for over 30 years is cut from red oak.

All the best,

Si


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain
From: John Minear
Date: 08 Jan 12 - 10:28 AM

There is a fine recording of Si Kahn's song by Guy and Candie Carawan on an album entitled "High On A Mountain" from 1984.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain
From: maeve
Date: 08 Jan 12 - 10:38 AM

Thanks for the information, Si. It's great to learn about such a good song from its maker.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Rose of the Mountain
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Jan 12 - 11:00 AM

Yes, it's always nice to hear from the workers who produce the songs, cobbling together the odd bits of tunes with their experience and imagination.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: ADD: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^
From: GUEST,Teri
Date: 12 Apr 14 - 09:39 PM

I have seen the posts below, regarding, Wild Rose of the Mountain." I know the post is old, however, I want people to know that my GrandFather, Jesse Large, a fiddler from Ohio, wrote the song about my GrandMother. He played with a lot of the famous fiddler's which included JP Fraley. Mr. Fraley references him when playing some of his songs which include "Goin' back to Kentucky". My Grandfather was the local fiddler and my Grandmother was the gal who went from dance to dance, (following him and playing hard to get). She always laughed when she told us that she finally got his full attention one time at a dance held in Pine Creek, Ohio. She was squaredancing in a circle and kicked her shoe into the air, landing it right against him!


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Subject: RE: Lyr ADD: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 09:21 PM

"Wild Rose of the Mountain" Was written by Jesse James Large from Lawrence co Ohio. It was written along with "Screech Owl" and also "Goin back to Kentucky". He had an untimely death and was never credited with his songs. Rounder Records has him credited to some of them. Si Khan is too young to have written these lyrics. The family of Mr Large has the information!!!


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Subject: RE: Lyr ADD: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 10:22 PM

There is more than one song with the title "Wild Rose of the Mountain." Check the ABC Tunefinder for a list.

The Si Kahn Songbook says that words and music for this particular song were by Si Kahn, copyright 1982 by Joe Hill publishing. When we put this song in the Rise Again Songbook, we licensed it from Joe Hill Publishing. Until I see documentation to the contrary, I will continue to believe that Si Kahn wrote this song.

We get posts quite often that insist that "my grandfather wrote this song." If I don't see documentation, I'm not likely to believe the claims.

-Joe Offer, Mudcat Music Editor-


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Subject: Origins: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 12:05 AM

I've asked Si Kahn for information before, and he's always been quick to respond. Today is no exception. Here's an excerpt of what he said:
    Hi, Joe. Thanks so much for writing. I don't have time to answer at length (too many close deadlines), but the answers are:

    1) Yes, I wrote the music and lyrics to the song "Wild Rose of the Mountain."

    2) I dedicated the song in honor of my friend of many years, the great Kentucky fiddler J.P. Fraley, from whom I learned the fiddle tune of the same name. I always thought J.P. had written that tune but, as it turns out, it has a different authorship.

    When my great friend John McCutcheon recorded the song, he segued into J.P's version of the fiddle tune, a very cool combination, and one I particularly appreciated because it took my song back to its roots—although not as far back as I thought at the time.

    [snip]

    I think the reason there's some confusion about authorship is because we're actually dealing with two different things, both named "Wild Rose of the Mountain":

    1) The fiddle tune [Fiddlin Jesse James Large of Lawrence Co, Ohio] wrote. J.P. and Annadeene Fraley were good friends for many years ago. I first met them around 1961 at a festival in Ashland, Kentucky, organized by Jean Thomas, the "Traipsin' Woman." They invited a bunch of us to their home for a jam session, where Annadeene played a six-string lute tuned like a guitar. J.P. had brought it back with him from World War II, and Annadeene was fond of saying that J.P. had "looted it."

    As you probably know, "Wild Rose of the Mountain" was J.P.'s "signature tune." I don't recall his ever mentioning where he got it, but that's typical of fiddlers. I just assumed it was "traditional," whatever that means.

    2) The song I wrote is also named "Wild Rose of the Mountain." I believe that when I first recorded it in 1982 on my third LP Doing My Job (Flying Fish 221), I dedicated it to J.P. and Annadeene—but I can't check that, since the album is long out of print, and I don't even have a copy myself where I could check the liner notes.

    As far as I can tell, the tune I wrote for my "Wild Rose of the Mountain" doesn't have any relation musically to [Large's] fiddle tune. But it was certainly inspired by his tune.

    A few years later, my great friend, six-time Grammy finalist John McCutcheon, recorded my song—and followed it with your grandfather's fiddle tune.

    Either before or after that, J.P. and I were both playing at the Old Songs Festival just outside Albany NY, and we did the same thing, me singing my song, and J.P. segueing into your [Large's] fiddle tune.

    A lot of artists have performed and/or recorded my song, and some lyric changes have crept in. One is that where I wrote:

    "Take my Rosie by the hand"

    they change it to:

    "Take my true love by the hand"

    I chose "Rosie" rather than some other name for two reasons:

    1) "Rosie" and "Rose" are pretty close as words go, and I liked that. If I had named her "Edna," for example, it just wouldn't have been nearly as sweet.

    2) My mother's name was Rosalind. I don't know why her parents chose that name, or if they even knew that it comes from the Spanish "rosa linda," "beautiful rose," being Yiddish-speaking Jewish immigrants from Austria and Lithuania, not exactly among the major Spanish-speaking countries in the world.

    Mom died from breast cancer in 1968, when she was 55 and I was 24. That was many years before I wrote the song. For me, it's very much a tribute to her.

    Originally, there were four verses, including one that went:

    If I had a pickup truck
    I'd fill it up with water
    Paint a catfish on the side
    Make believe I caught her
    Drive it slowly down the road
    Try to keep from bumping
    Park it down beside the creek
    Watch those fish come jumping


    But shortly after I wrote that verse, I decided it undercut what I meant as a very sweet love song for my Mom, so I took it out when I performed and recorded it. But somehow that verse got out anyway, and I think there may be a recorded version or two that include it.

    [snip]

    Oh well, Joe, I guess I just answered at length after all.

    All the best,

    Si Kahn


Joe sez: I deleted parts that were from correspondence between Si and Large's granddaughter.

Thank you very much, Si.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Origins: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 16 - 08:57 PM

So glad to get into the discussion of our song. I do know how that some of these songs move into other songs. We were just sharing what we have always been told. Most of our grandfathers recordings were lost in a fire. We are constantly looking for anyone who would know anything about him. Mr. Khan graciously got back to me and explained the situation. I really appreciate that. We may never know the "whole" story. But just to have some pieces of it helps! Thank you again!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 10:02 AM

It may seem cute to sing about, but don't ever drink any of that illegal whiskey. I'm just sayin.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 05:34 PM

"The Wild Rose of the Mountain" that I know is the John Mason one: he was founder and conductor of the Scotttish Fiddle Orchestra for many years and died in 2011, see: Wild Rose - John Mason
And here's a recording of this beautiful slow air:


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Subject: RE: Origins: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 05:39 PM

Oops and double oops: realised I'd forgotten to put the link to the tune on, and re-posted: that post has disappeared up the mountain somewhere, so trying again:
Wild Rose - John Mason, played by John Kelly


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Subject: RE: Origins: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^
From: GUEST,Jerome Clark
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 08:18 PM

I am really surprised that nowhere in this discussion is Bill Monroe's "Ashland Breakdown" mentioned. Monroe recorded it on March 10, 1975, in Mount Juliet, Tennessee. I have it on his American Traveler (County, 2000), a collection of instrumentals. The notes credit Monroe as composer, though that's hardly the definitive word. He claims authorship for at least one other piece I am reasonably confident he didn't write ("Goin' Up Caney," which I believe he learned from his Uncle Pen).

In any event, it's the melody Si Kahn used, consciously or unconsciously, for his later "Wild Rose of the Mountain." The Steep Canyon Rangers, who sometimes accompany Steve Martin on record and tour, used the tune for the title song of their 2007 Rebel album Lovin' Pretty Women.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Wild Rose of the Mountain (Si Kahn)^^^
From: Bearheart
Date: 17 Apr 16 - 09:44 AM

J.P.'s and Annadeene's album "Wild Rose of the Mountain" has been re-issued on CD with additional tunes (with their daughter). My dad bought the original album when it first came out (1974), so I listened to it a lot in my 20s. Dad found the CD online recently and gave me and several other family members copies for Christmas this past year. Dad met J.P. when he (Dad) instigated the revival of the state fiddler's contest at the Parade of the Hills in Nelsonville, Ohio in the early 1970s. At the time the organizers couldn't find anyone to organize it. Dad pulled the contest together and got it up and running again. For that first contest he was trying to find Ohio fiddlers to compete, and ended up inviting fiddlers from KY and WV as well, just to swell the numbers. (Wilson Douglas was another of the really great old time fiddlers, from WV, who competed there).
The liner notes (which give extensive info on the 32 fiddle tunes that are included)are written by J. P., Guthrie Meade and Mark Wilson (Meade and Wilson produced the original album). J.P. credits the composer and tells an interesting story about it.
I highly recommend the album to anyone with an interest in old time fiddle tunes.
I don't know if it is happening again this year, but here is a link to the festival Annadeene started in 1971 (it was originally a family reunion), which my family often attended. My dad is 86 now and gave up camping a couple of decades ago, and J.P. passed in 2011 (Annadeene pre-deceased him), but the festival continued. There is a link to a lovely tribute to him on the site as well. http://www.fraleyfestival.com/


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