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Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs

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ARAGON MILL
BLEEDING HEARTS
CROSSING THE BORDER
GO TO WORK ON MONDAY
GONE, GONNA RISE AGAIN
GOVERNMENT ON HORSEBACK
IT'S NOT JUST WHAT YOU'RE BORN WITH
IT'S THE SAME THE WHOLE WORLD OVER 4
MEMORIAL
PASS THE MUSIC ON
TRUCK DRIVING WOMAN
WILD ROSE OF THE MOUNTAIN


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GUEST 12 Oct 09 - 12:34 AM
GUEST,DonMeixner 12 Oct 09 - 12:52 AM
catspaw49 12 Oct 09 - 12:54 AM
Stewie 12 Oct 09 - 02:41 AM
Spleen Cringe 12 Oct 09 - 03:08 AM
Willa 12 Oct 09 - 07:26 AM
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Subject: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: Bupkes
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 10:37 PM

Si Kahn is on NHPR's Sunday evening program Art of the Song as I write this. [The web site http://www.artofthesong.org/tune-in/shows/show-249/ says they'll have it available to replay next week.]

He happened to sing "Here Is My Home", and I again want to say how much this simple call and refrain song means to people, in my experience. Those who hear it for the first time are moved to come up and ask about it, and say they're resolved to learn it themselves. It's a farewell song at folk-singing sessions and I've found YouTube videos of it as a choral piece in ceremonial settings. My friend Tim Radford, an Englishman who resides now with his wife on Cape Cod and from whom I learned it, says he cannot sing it any longer because it invariably makes him cry.

There are many sweet and earnest songs Si Kahn has written over a long career as an activist and singer. I wonder if others want to write about their personal favorites.


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 10:50 PM

I don't really like Si's singing voice, although he brings out the meaning of the songs very well. I guess I like his songs better when they're sung by somebody else.

I suppose my favorite is "Aragon Mill," since it gives such a profound expression of the impact of the loss of jobs in American industry. "Gone, Gonna Rise Again" is another - yeah, I remember the day that my grandfather died.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: Acme
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 11:12 PM

We have a tape or two of his, and the kids always loved his songs (and his voice).


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: Bill H //\\
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 11:37 PM

In all honesty I do like his singing and his interpretation of his own material---he is also a playright and author.

So many great songs it is hard to choose but I would surely single out Moose Lodge---which Si Kahn mentioned to me was one of his most meaningful ones

Bill Hahn


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: maire-aine
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 11:57 PM

Si Kahn is my all-time favorite singer-songwriter. I think I have just about every album he's ever recorded.

He really gets what it's like to work in a factory or on a farm. He comes from a background of labor organizing that gives authenticity to his songs. Even his immigration songs. I think my favorite song is "When the Land and They Were Young"-- the line about young women who "gave their hands to strange machines, their lips to foreign tongues" makes me thing of my grandmother. She came to the US as a child, from a Gaeltacht area of Ireland without any English. The first time I heard it, I knew I had to learn it.

Si comes to the Ark in Ann Arbor every few years, and I go to see him whenever I can. One time he sang "What Will I Leave", which I find the most thought-provoking, esp. as I get older.

Maryanne


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 12:34 AM

...did Si write "Backroom Ladies?"

Their wives all have psychiatrists at fifty bucks an hour
It's all because their husbands think they're crazy
But when it's hard times at the office it's only twenty dollars
To tell your troubles to the backroom ladies...


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 12:52 AM

I like Si Kahn's voice very much. I think it is the right voice for his lyrics. The same way I like iris Dement's voice with her lyrics.

One singer's voice I don't like is Joni Mitchell's. Or maybe I don't like those vocal acrobatics she insists on using. Kahn's voice is straight ahead and unadorned and from the soul.

I like that in a voice.


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 12:54 AM

Hard to find a song with more history, meaning, and truth, in a small handful of verses.............

Blue Ridge Mountain Refugees, by Si Kahn

I'm workin' in a factory, thinkin' of how it feels
To be bringin' home good MONEY like my daddy never seen;
But a feelin' follows after me, like a hound-dog at my heels.
And I know that I'll never see my mountain home again.

CH:Cause they say that I can't go back again,
Never sit and talk among my childhood friends,
Never live among my neighbors and my kin,
No, I'll never see my mountain home again.

Down by the railway station, in the early afternoon,
You can see them with their bundles that are all done up in twine.
They hear the whistle from the south,
And they're sayin' their good-by's,
And they say that they'll come back again;
But they're leavin' for all time.

CHORUS

Cinncinati, Baltimore, Chicago, and Detroit;
You can see us by the thousands, with our husbands and our wives.
You wonder what we're doin' here, so far from our mountain homes.
Well, we're Blue Ridge Mountain refugees,
And we're fighting for our lives.

CHORUS
**********************************************************************



Spaw


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: Stewie
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 02:41 AM

Spaw, I agree entirely. And when experiencing the loss of a beloved friend, these simple verses are so appropriate and moving:

MEMORIAL
(Si Kahn)

We come together to say goodbye
To one who held us close
To tell the stories of his/her life
That move us each the most
These memories of a life well lived
And of a death well faced
Are now a part of every life
That crosses in this place

Refrain
No circle has been broken here
No one that stands alone
The threads of life so lately broke
Are woven through our own

She'd/He'd hoped to meet us all again
That gather here today
But though we will not meet again
We'll meet again some way
In work we do, in songs we sing
In courage and in pain
In battles that we fight as one
We'll see her face again

Repeat refrain.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 03:08 AM

I know his songs through Roy Bailey's versions. Always really loved "Freedom Peacefully".


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: Willa
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 07:26 AM

Hi Marty
I love 'Here is my Home' and sing it a lot . It is the perfect end of the evening/singaround song.


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: GUEST,Stan
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 08:07 AM

Si Kahn is a great song writer. As others have said I know his songs through the likes of Roy Bailey and the Wilson Family, my particular favourite being 'Season of Peace'


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 09:07 AM

Si Kahn is one songwriter who has maintained my respect for the long haul. Few can focus on issues and humanize them as well as he. The tunes generally have an Appalachian sound to them that I also appreciate. And some of his songs demonstrate a wry sense of humor.

"New Years Eve" and "New Wood (Gone Gonna Rise Again)" are songs I continue to sing.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: voyager
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 01:23 PM

Si Kahn's song --> Wild Rose of the Mountain is in my repetoire for Life.
Wild Rose of the Mountain

'Nuff Said

voyager
Silver Spring, MD


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: pdq
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 01:55 PM

The name Tim Radford was mentioned in the initial post.

Fairly sure that he is a Mudcatter who posts with the handle mandotim.


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: Bettynh
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 02:44 PM

I really like the songs he sings and writes with John McCutcheon. Silly kids' songs like "Rubber Blubber Whale" and the incredibly romantic "Friend and Companion" stand out among many.


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: RTim
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 02:44 PM

No - Tim Radford is RTim - NOT mandotim

see - http://www.timradford.com/

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: RTim
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 02:50 PM

As the words to this great song are not on DT, here they are - so everyone can see what they may mean to me and others.

Tim Radford

Here is My Home (Si Kahn)
Good friends from whom we now must part.
- Where are we bound.
Your hands and voices lift my heart.
- Here is my home.

Chorus   
Come darkness, come light, Where are we bound.
Come morning, come night, Here is my home

For those who work in harmony.
Can learn to live in unity.

If we can join ourselves in song.
Our hearts will live when we are gone.

The spirit that finds music here.
Will sing forever in the air.


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: oombanjo
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 03:47 PM

About 4 years ago on Friday morning before the start of the Beverley folk festival, I was sat in my front room learning Aragon mill, there was a knock on my door,I put down my guitar and opened the door, the stranger at the door held out his hand and said, hello I'm Si Khan, I understand that you are practising one of my songs.I was totally flabergasted, it took all I had to hold it together.
A few months prior a top local musician had given me the chord sequance to the song and I was having a hard time with it.
Si asked me to show him what I was doing, smiled and asked for my guitar,he played the song out off drop D in d and never let his finger off the d second frett second string.
In the eavening Si and his wife Elizabeth went with us to the welcome singaround at the local bar, it was there I found out the story. My wife was breakfast supervisor at the Beverley Arms the local hotel and whilst serving breakfast my wife informed him of that I was struggling with his song, he asked where we lived came over, and the rest is history.
A gem in my life that I will always be thankful for, and never forget.
Here's to Si Khan a man's man and a gentleman.
Cheers Oombanjo


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: Stewie
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 07:29 PM

My apologies for posting 'Memorial' above. I didn't realise it was already in the DT. Si Kahn has long been a favourite of mine. He has crafted many fine songs. Years ago, I posted to the forum the lyrics to another of his songs that had a particular impact and relevance for me. This one never made it to the DT:

LURAY WOMEN.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 10:08 PM

Oombanjo-

Nice story!

I always like his long ballad about his father (or was it his grandfather?) who slipped over the border from Czarist Russia to the West.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: GUEST,Elmore
Date: 13 Oct 09 - 01:41 PM

Lots of favorites by Si Kahn, but What You Do With What You've Got comes to mind.


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: oombanjo
Date: 13 Oct 09 - 01:56 PM

the part that says "in D" should have said 2nd string third fret. But i guess you all know what i should have said cheers oombanjo


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: Jacob B
Date: 14 Oct 09 - 11:20 AM

The song about his grandfather is called Crossing The Border. I would have mentioned it if you hadn't, along with What You Do With What You've Got.


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Oct 09 - 11:44 AM

Jacob-

"Crossing The Border" that's what it's called.

I also remember singing "People Like You Make People Like Me" in honor of a retiring union organizer.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: michaelr
Date: 15 Oct 09 - 02:38 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-brae31GE0&feature=related


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 08 Nov 09 - 04:44 PM

Si is not only a great songwriter, but an accomplished community organizer and author. His new book on community organizing is expected out this winter. He's also a super nice guy, as has been noted above.

I'm very pleased to include one of Si's songs, "What Will I Leave," on my new CD, which should be out next Spring. I sang that song at my grandmothers memorial service years ago - it is one of the most inspirational songs I know.

Dan


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Nov 09 - 09:04 PM

Si Kahn also has a sense of humor as demonstrated by his rendition of "Fresh-Water Whaling" which I still remember hearing from the Wheatland Festival, one foggy morning in the 1970's. My only regret is he never saw fit to record that song.

"Gonna Work on Monday One More Time" is another song that I've never forgotten, a good criteria for judging songs.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: C. Ham
Date: 09 Nov 09 - 01:26 PM

Once in an Irish bar, I heard someone sing a song called "Belfast Mill" which he introduced as a traditional Irish folk song. He insisted I didn't know what I was talking about when I told him it was a Si Kahn song with the word "Aragon" changed to "Belfast."


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 09 Nov 09 - 02:28 PM

That happened to one of Si's sons once too - same story - he was in Ireland and heard a familiar song coming from a bar. He asked what it was and was told it was a traditional Irish song called "Belfast Mill."

Dan


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: C. Ham
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 04:27 PM

The Irish Bar I was referring to was in Toronto. But I can believe it happened to Si's son in Ireland, I've subsequently seen "Belfast Mill" on a number of Irish CDs, some crediting Si, some saying traditional.


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: Stringsinger
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 11:24 AM

Si follows the songwriting tradition of Woody Guthrie which is finding that simple trenchant and memorable statement within his songs. " Aragon Mill" is an example.

Writing simple memorable songs is not an easy task. There are few today who can do this well. Steve Earle comes to mind.

Sometimes it's easier to write a complex, convoluted song than it is a song like "This Land Is Your Land".

Si, Woody, Earle and others have fused their simplicity and directness with political commentary which sparked the folk music movement (The Folk Scare) in the US.

I admire this kind of writing so much and would love for there to be more of it today.
I think that this kind of song lends itself to being added to and re-written in the folk process.

Woody at one time advocated the use of a song for this purpose. In the 60's, there was a push to copyright PD songs as variants to collect royalties. This may have had an adverse effect on the folk process. Music merchants don't like this approach. They may have a "Wall Street banker" attitude.


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 01:43 PM

I first heard some of his songs through having to sit through a Roy Bailey set in Sheffield, because my girlfriend of the time insisted we went.

I'm glad I did.

New Years Eve is a beautiful song, poignant and thought evoking. "What you do with what you've got" sends such a message. I used the chorus as a poem in the introduction to the annual report of a charity I was involved with at the time.

Still.. Didn't change my mind about Roy Bailey though!


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Subject: RE: Thoughts on Si Kahn's songs
From: GUEST,Susan Knox
Date: 23 May 16 - 03:16 PM

I saw Si Kahn sing and play Crossing the Border on KPFK radio in British Columbia, Canada i 1974 and had to learn that song, being an American of norhern european decent. Now I am living in Porugal where there is a vast history of immigration and the government is making an effort to help new immigrants integrate. Its a big job especially in these times with few opportunities to work, etc. I sent the lyrics of this song to a friend who is doing a 20 minute spot on the radio about Testimonies of Voluntery and Successful Immigration and Cultural Diversity in Europe.


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