Lyrics & Knowledge Personal Pages Record Shop Auction Links Radio & Media Kids Membership Help
The Mudcat Cafesj

Post to this Thread - Printer Friendly - Home
Page: [1] [2] [3] [4]


Can anyone learn to sing

Related threads:
how can I improve breath control (28)
Info on voice ranges (22)
Solo Unaccompanied Singing and Songs (143)
Whiskey voice - what is it? (34)
How To Sing With Power? (23)
Singing, can it be taught? (16)
Perfect singers (108)
Why can't I sing in tune? (122)
Singing thru the tears- how? (87)
Vocal techniques (16)
Exactly what's a true contralto? (67)
Singing: Exercises to improve high notes (47)
Is the voice an instrument? (56)
Help: singing unintended Vibrato/ Control (19)
do I need a vibrator? (66)
Speech Level Singing (42)
How are Soprano and Tenor Defined? (29)
Help: How can you tell which voice you've got (83)
Tuners for VOICE not Instruments (33)
The Mouse that Roared (Finding Your Voice) (25)
singers: who do you emulate and why? (65)
Breath Control While Singing (44)
Threads on the Singing Voice (36)
Improving voice without lessons (43)
What type of voice? (37)
fellow sean-nos singers? (45)
Unaccompanied Singing - How & Why! (89)
Singing - Alexander Technique (19)
how do you prepare to sing? (54)
What's a 'good voice'? (93)
Is that really you? (64)
Help, singing in noisy environments (41)
voice quality? (49)
Singing in Scenic Outdoors (33)
Does it get easier??? (singing) (50)
spectrograph - voice analysis (14)
Vocal training resouces? (11)
Singing in a dome (39)
How versatile should your voice be ? (20)
Gender and the soprano voice (79)
What is singing? (40)
Current Thread on the Singing Voice (5)
Song suggestions for higher lyric voice (9)
Vocal Instruction for Singers (2)
Learn to sing harmony: Good instruction tapes (4)
voice range - how to extend it (please) (14)
Vocal embellishment - guidelines? (31)


Alice 21 Mar 98 - 02:51 PM
steve t 21 Mar 98 - 02:42 PM
Charlie (Toronto) 19 Mar 98 - 07:36 PM
Alice 19 Mar 98 - 06:38 PM
wolf 19 Mar 98 - 06:33 PM
Pete 19 Mar 98 - 06:30 PM
wolf 19 Mar 98 - 06:22 PM
Jon W. 19 Mar 98 - 04:07 PM
Joe Offer 19 Mar 98 - 02:53 PM
Art Thieme 19 Mar 98 - 01:47 PM
Moira Cameron 19 Mar 98 - 01:05 PM
nobbler 18 Mar 98 - 11:25 PM
Alice 18 Mar 98 - 11:22 AM
Alice 18 Mar 98 - 10:43 AM
Jaxon 18 Mar 98 - 09:11 AM
Eric 18 Mar 98 - 04:45 AM
steve t 18 Mar 98 - 03:17 AM
Pete 18 Mar 98 - 02:19 AM
Share Thread
more
Lyrics & Knowledge Search [Advanced]
DT  Forum Child
Sort (Forum) by:relevance date
DT Lyrics:













Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Alice
Date: 21 Mar 98 - 02:51 PM

I think that an important aspect of taking lessons in anything, whether it is music, art, or anything else, is that the teacher and the method should create an experience that you ENJOY and not something you feel you have to "stand". I guess I have been lucky in finding teachers both in art school and now in music that became my friends and were just as excited and joyful in my progress as I was. alice


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: steve t
Date: 21 Mar 98 - 02:42 PM

About concentrating on the music instead of the emotion: you definitely need the emotion. What's the point in singing without it?

But oh! what a wonderful feeling you have when you believe that you're singing as close as you want to musical "correctness".

If you can stand it, yes, do what Alice suggests, and take lessons from a professional. But keep in mind that you're trying to have fun. If the lessons dry up the expressiveness that you want, drop 'em. Musical "exercises" may be the fastest way to get good, but I loathe the idea of such "exercises" in something that feels fairly sacred to me. I'll keep getting better very slowly, thank you :-)

I think, far better than lessons, is a place to practice and make mistakes without embarrassment. You'd need that to benefit very much from the lessons anyway.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Charlie (Toronto)
Date: 19 Mar 98 - 07:36 PM

The statement "Anyone can learn to sing" is as true (no more, no less) as the statement "Anyone can learn to play the fiddle [or substitute any other instrument]". This truth is encouraging or discouraging according to how you view the second statement.

Someone should be honest with you: you might never be really good. Still, the more work you put in, the better you'll be; no doubt about


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Alice
Date: 19 Mar 98 - 06:38 PM

Pete, you are on your way! Sing every chance you get, alone and for others. It only gets better!

alice, montana


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: wolf
Date: 19 Mar 98 - 06:33 PM

keep going and don't stop for anyone or anything cuz if music makes you happy it will be with you for life


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Pete
Date: 19 Mar 98 - 06:30 PM

What a great site. Thanks everyone for your advice and encouragement, it certainly has reinforced my commitment to learn to sing.

I sang for the first time in front of friends last night with positive reactions so I guess thats a start.

Look forward to joining in your discussions in the future

regards

Pete


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: wolf
Date: 19 Mar 98 - 06:22 PM

yes. i live in phoenix and have a pick up band and have helped several people withthis same problem


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Jon W.
Date: 19 Mar 98 - 04:07 PM

Confidence is very important. My wife is an excellent singer, has sung in choirs in college, with the symphony, etc. She also nearly destroyed my confidence early on when I started attempting to sing with my guitar for family and friends. I think she was embarrassed when I was off key. To this day I have a hard time singing when I know she is listening. My cousin, on the other hand, who is also a great singer, has always tried to boost my confidence and compliment me on my progress. We have performed together a few times and I have sung lead on some of the songs we've done, even with an audience. I'm an over-inhibited white Anglo-Saxon male and it takes a heap of confidence to overcome the inhibitions that bind up my tongue and vocal chords.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Mar 98 - 02:53 PM

I think that most people sound only so-so when they sing solo, but they sound wonderful when they sing together. Singing together is one of the most wonderful forms of human interaction I can think of. One suggestion I'd like to propose for group singing - sing so you can hear your voice blend with other voices, but not so strongly that your own voice is the only voice you hear.
-Joe Offer-


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Art Thieme
Date: 19 Mar 98 - 01:47 PM

If Stephen Wade could learn to sing, ANYBODY CAN!!!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Moira Cameron
Date: 19 Mar 98 - 01:05 PM

I strongly believe that anyone can sing. I suppose different people put emphasis on different things; but for me, it is not the quality of voice that impresses me most, but the spirit behind it. Quality will improve with time and practice.

I basically learned to sing a capella first, then added instruments. My husband was the opposite. For years, he put most of his energy towards perfecting his guitar playing. Then, when he started singing he basically was singing to accompany his guitar. He didn't realize this at first, of course. A lot of guitar players do that, we've noticed.

I tend to disagree with Steve T's message above about learning to concentrate at first on the music rather than the emotion. Obviously, you need to concentrate on the music, but I don't think you need to do that exclusively. If you can hold a tune, I wouldn't worry overly much about its musical quality of acurracy. That's something that will develop over time, with practice. What most people hear is the message of the song, not the technical aspects of the music. And the message comes across in the story and emotions you feel, not in whether you are singing in 'head tones' or from your 'diaphragm'.

The most important advice I give to people who want to sing is: don't worry if you don't sound like so and so whose voice you really admire. Every voice is different. You have to try to discover what's special about your own voice and learn to make use of it. Imitating other people's singing styles is useful only if you are trying to learn more about your own voice's potential and limitations, but if you don't find a style that is uniquly your own, your singing won't sound as true (with or without bum notes.)

Good luck,

Moira, from Yellowknife


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: nobbler
Date: 18 Mar 98 - 11:25 PM

The fact that you are learning (or improving on) your guitar skills might a valuable tool in loosening up the old warble box and vice versa.

Many years ago, something that helped me no end was simply singing the notes I played whilst learning various scales. Eventually that turned into singing the notes I played in simple solos and finally I was in the position where I could pop a finger on the fretboard and sing the note before I'd actually played it. It also allowed me to immediately reach for and play a note I was singing, which is very handy when writing melody.

You don't have to have a great sounding voice, you will know if you are way off key if you play music as you've said, slightly out of key you can get away with if you do it confidently. Hell, Dylan's been getting away with it for years!

Remember, most people sing flat, so sing flatly with a sharp voice and all will even out. :-)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Alice
Date: 18 Mar 98 - 11:22 AM

If the web address I posted above doesn't work, try this
http://www.mcn.net/~acflynn/index.html


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Alice
Date: 18 Mar 98 - 10:43 AM

Pete, I have talked about my classical voice teacher in other threads, (so forgive me those who have already read this before) and I must tell you that having a good voice teacher makes all the difference in the world. (I have a page about how 'you are never to old to sing' at my website if you want to check that out.)
http://www.mcn.net/acflynn/

I am lucky that I found an excellent teacher and performer who charges me only $10 a lesson!! She could charge $100 an hour if she was in a city, but we are in a little town in Montana, so she knows that is what people can afford. I went to her because I knew I wanted to have the confidence to sing Well. I found out that although I had years of choir in school, from grade 4 thru high school, NONE of the really important techniques had been taught to us about how to use our vocal chords, muscles in the mouth and face, placement, and how to breathe correctly to have support for a good sound as well as enough breath to phrase the music correctly (not breaking to take a breath in the middle of a word, musical line, or lyrical phrase.) I tape each lesson, and she sometimes videotapes me so that I can really hear and see what I am doing. A Good teacher will give you challenging classical pieces to learn, even though you never perform in that style, because it stretches your voice to use the techniques that are necessary to really know how to sing. One of the first things she told me is, this is all physical, like an athlete. You have to think of it the same way an athlete does in training. Every day you use the muscles in your body in certain ways, and in training them to do things correctly, they get stronger and you get so that you can control muscles you didn't even know you had. She is right. It is just like training to do gymnastics or track or any other physical skill that requires knowledge of technique, daily practice, and good coaching. To sing well, you have to be able to lift the soft palate (the roof of the mouth in back) to create space for a good sound, to be able to hold the muscles on the floor of your abdomen down to allow room for the diaphragm to contain as much air for as long as it can, and to learn to control the muscles that move the ribs, so you can expand the ribs out to allow more air in. You have to know how to relax muscles in the face and mouth that want to tighten up, where to place the tongue, etc. This and more takes training by a good teacher, and practice. BUT, just like in athletics, if you were not born with the necessary physical attributes, no matter how much you practice, you won't be as good as someone born with what it takes. For singing, it takes a set of good sounding vocal chords, and a good "ear", or ability to hear when you are singing the right note. Singing is my passion. If you want more information on technique, just email to me or leave a message here.
acflynn@mcn.net


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Jaxon
Date: 18 Mar 98 - 09:11 AM

Hey Pete! If you know when it doesn't sound right then you have an ear and you can learn to sing just fine. If a piece you've been working on sounds fine as an insrumental but off when you sing then you should experiment by changing keys. Find the key that suits YOUR voice to the song. True story; I never sang growing up. No confidence etc.. I would sing along at the folk masses in my parish because the psalm says "Make a joyful noise unto the Lord". It doesn't say sing in tune. After one Mass the woman sitting next to me told me how much she enjoyed my voice. Since we were in church I half believed her. I went to the leader of our folk group and asked him to listen to me. A week later I was singing at Mass and within a month I had picked up a guitar. All at age 42! Now at 49 I play in song circles, open mics etc..

Something I learned was to sing a capella and bring the guitar in. If it didn't sound right I changed the guitar, not my voice. Good luck.

Jack Murray


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Eric
Date: 18 Mar 98 - 04:45 AM

Hi Pete! I'm no technical singing expert but I've been there, so I can beak off a little. A true story! Sorry, this turned into a bit of a novel, but it's nice to share something near to my heart with someone...

When I started in bands at about 16, I had no singing experience but my ear was somewhat trained from years in school band and my exposure to a lot of music in the home. So, while I would work out the hard parts and teach the other band members the parts, the bastards would not let me near a microphone. Of course, I was no doubt terrible, but looking back I should have been much more demanding of a chance to try. Hell, I owned one of the three mic's!

I slowly got the odd chance to add a bit here and there as backup vocals, mostly ooh's & aah's. My first attempts at lead vocals were actually not bad because by total fluke, I had picked cover tunes that were not too demanding, probably because I was still very insecure. Then, with the ice broken, I thought I was on my way. I grabbed songs that were totally out of my range (range? what's that?) and proceeded to make a fool of myself. I learned the hard way that what you can sort of pull off in the relaxed, controlled rehearsal situation requires a whole different approach live. With the stage volume stupidly loud and the monitors non-existant, I couldn't hear a thing, so I pushed harder and blew my voice out. Very embarrassing. Furthermore, we had about three weeks of work ahead. Somehow we struggled through, then I quit. The thing is, I then thought that I had no talent for singing. I retreated into my shell and did not try again for a long time.

Anyway, the years went by (now in my upper-mid 20's) and I became just somebody's bass player for many years. Not much singing lately. Good guitarist's were always a dime a dozen, so I got more work on bass. Then, I began to get calls for fill ins on country gigs and old rock&roll acts. I realized that not all music required on to sing really high notes to be efective and appreciated. I met nice people that were more interested in the feeling that I tried to put into my vocals rather than any technical wizardry. I began to feel relaxed and welcome to the microphone. I still wasn't very good but I was learning.

By this time I had been doing a duo with a guy who was a very strong singer. This is what I recommend! Find a similar situation, listen, learn and practice your harmony singing. I find it interesting that some think of backup singing as the easier role. Ha! You generally end up singing higher parts, you have to learn to nail a note cold, from nowhere, and you have to project just as loudly plus forming a vocal tone that blends well. Great training though. Work into the lead singing gradually. Singing all night at the volume required takes fair energy and careful pacing.

Anyway, eventually, I wanted to get off the road because my first son was born and I wanted to watch him grow up. There was very little duo work in town so what to do?

A single act. Scared the hell out of me! All by myself! Took some little gigs 1 hr. out of town where no one would know me, singing mostly old country and old R&R with a dinky P.A., a 12 string acoustic and a cheezy beat box. By God, they liked it and no one insulted my singing! I'd beaten my worst ememy, me.

Singing in a way that most people will sit and listen to does require that you can sing moderately in tune. This requires experience. However, I remember taping several nights of my duo in a packed club, singing our asses off and thinking we were dead on! The best gig we'd ever done! The place went nuts and we played 1½ hours overtime. I listened to the tapes 2 days later and discovered that I was badly over-singing and maddeningly and consistantly SHARP all night! It was horrendous - but who cared? Who really noticed? Our enthusiasm and energy that night far overshadowed this. Sometimes we worry about all the wrong things.

I'm now 42. I play every weekend in pubs, lounges and one nighters (dances & parties)as a single act. I sing everything from Frankie Valee to Willie Nelson, ZZ Top to Roger Whittaker, Beatles to Tom Waits, Stan Rogers to Billy Idol, Proclaimers to Gary Moore, Waylon to Van Halen. It's a riot! I make good money doing this. If i had not has "big ears" and an open mind, I would have ended up a one trick pony and certainly not doing this. This was total luck, not foresite, but I'm a happy camper. A lot of people laughed at my attempts over the years and suggested I move along. I'm glad I'm stubborn, and didn't quit. I'm still not "super vocalist" and my tone is not incredible but what the hell. Many think I am very good and a lot of old faces that have since drifted off the track can't believe it. I love entertaining and the rest is details.

My experiences have taught me: be persistant and insistant, don't worry too much about what others think (for now), sing songs you like, don't be afraid to transpose down a key or two (if the song still has some kick), try different styles of music early in the game. There is no substitute for hands-on experience. Start now, go hard and believe in your dream to be a singer.

I believe that with practice, just about everyone can sing. Who's to say whether you can or can't? Listen to some of (my fave's)the great character voices like Dylan, Prine, Waits, Hiatt, even the guys from AC/DC. Millions love 'em, some don't, so who's right? Who cares? Listen to all the singing styles that you can. Borrow from many. Discover your natural range, get really familiar with it, the expAND it. Try harder stuff.

Love it or hate it, Karaoke has given a lot of people an opportunity to find a talent they might never have discovered otherwise. Actually, it's excellent training! It really is.

Well, it's late and this prolonged rambling has gone quite long enough. Though totally off the cuff, I suppose it has been fun to share my thoughts but most importantly, I hope that if you are even a bit more inspired to go for it a bit harder, it's not for naught. Man, I wish that someone had given me some basic belief back then.

Peace, & happy trails!

Eric, from Alberta, Canada


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: steve t
Date: 18 Mar 98 - 03:17 AM

I don't think everyone can learn to sing passably. I've met a partially deaf person and a "mentally challenged" person who were both just plain irritating. Everyone else I've *ever* heard was somewhat pleasing to my ear...but singing well? That takes years and years of practice, as well as physical ability and musical talent. A good warm-up also helps.

I think the hardest thing to do for most beginners is to concentrate on the music instead of the emotion. It feels awful not to concentrate on the emotion, but concentrating on the music will eventually pay off.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Pete
Date: 18 Mar 98 - 02:19 AM

I have played Bouzouki and Mandolin for a while now mainly celtic music sessions, recently I have purchased a guitar and progressing quite well. Now is the time for me to get some songs together to join in the singing at our house sessions.

My friends (who can sing) say anyone can learn to sing. Is this true do you think? My first efforts raises serious doubts in my mind re the validity of their statements. Through my tune playing I understand the chord structures needed and I have dozens of songs I would like to sing, but to be frank they don't come out to well as yet. Obviously practice, practice, practice is the way to improve, but where is the starting point. Any sugestions Pete


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate
  Share Thread:
More...

Reply to Thread
Subject:  Help
From:
Preview   Automatic Linebreaks   Make a link ("blue clicky")


Mudcat time: 5 May 4:32 AM EDT

[ Home ]

All original material is copyright © 2022 by the Mudcat Café Music Foundation. All photos, music, images, etc. are copyright © by their rightful owners. Every effort is taken to attribute appropriate copyright to images, content, music, etc. We are not a copyright resource.