BS: In every thread someone has to be last!

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 01:54 PM

OK, three months is enough.


Sonnet 03/11/07                            MLXV

To absent friends and lost loves let us drink,
Recalling smiles and times that all once shared.
On those no longer near let us now think,
To bring back reasons that for them we cared.
Some are not here, yet still remain, within
The songs and words they left behind. And some
Are in our souls, when hopes or dreams begin:
A part of what each of us have become.
To those apart let us now raise a glass
And take a moment to give thanks for all
That we from others have ourselves received.
The world's a school, and our lives just a class
In playing well with others. Can we call
It more? Are we by our egos deceived?

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Nov 07 - 10:48 AM

another sonnet?



Sonnet 04/11/07                                  MLXVI

In midnight dream her bright smile haunts me still,
Though daylight shows no trace. Can dream survive
The ghost of heart's desire? Her words yet fill
Corners of mind: Can ghost future revive?
I'll not forget the dreams she gave, nor lose
Vision given: Can I heart's light recall
Without thinking of her? Soul does not choose
To forget: Loss of past would cost me all.
Yet, heart has not hold upon muse: She gives
What she might, and no more. Should I now plead
For what she does not wish? Only dream lives
Future desired: Hope does not fill my need.
Even ghost gives me reason to rejoice:
Heart does not allow any other choice.

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Nov 07 - 11:00 AM

Oh, go away.

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Nov 07 - 11:05 AM

Wherever I go, there I am.

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 05:11 PM

Sonnet 289 of 289 to my last muse...


Sonnet 21/12/07                        MLXVII

Without muse to guide dreams, I cannot find
The path to heart's desire: Hope is now lost.
Yet, should heart count all inspiration blind,
When memory remains, to show hope's cost?
I care now for past dreams, and words the thought
Of eyes and smile gave heart. Must I regret
Once holding dreams? Should I not have hope sought?
Does love for source of dream Nature upset?
Without word, I know not the fate of one
I held as heart's desire: Dare I request
You tell if you are happy? Would you shun
One who in past tried to give you his best?
Is there now reason that I should not care
About the muse who once her dreams would share?

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 08 - 06:07 PM

No

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 12:35 PM

Correct!

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 03:19 PM

We agree at last.

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 04:32 PM

We often agree- as to ends, if not always means.

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 04:33 PM

No, we don't.

(Heh! Heh!)(evil chuckling heard as scurrying away...)

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 04:50 PM

Yes, we do!

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 05:05 PM

For example: In

"Subject: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Little Hawk - PM
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 07:43 PM

Jim Dixon uttered something cosmic in another thread, regarding posts that kill threads. He said, "In every thread someone has to be last."

He's right. This is really something to ponder, so I have launched a thread to explore it in depth. Feel free to post and give your own thoughts on the matter.

WHO will be last in this thread???? Who will it be? And when will we know?

The suspense is mounting...

- LH "

I agree that the suspense is STILL mounting...

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 06:40 PM

Don't!

(your go...)

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 06:37 PM

another sonnet...

Sonnet 17/01/08                           MLXVIII

Night sky holds a bright waning moon, but I
Hold only hopeless dream: Muse is too far
In time and miles to hope to hear reply.
How can heart hope when silence fair dreams bar?
Should I try to remember, or forget
What thought of her once gave? Is there a chance
That shadow of dream might return, to let
Lost hopes lead heart to memory of romance?
Night's bitter chill, without my muse to lend
The dream to brighten darkness, or give heat
To passions cooled by empty nights. What end
Can heart hope for, but to lost dreams repeat?
Do hopes, of fears, or tears matter at all,
When I cannot for muse's soft words call?

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 06:39 PM

opps...


...
Do hopes, or fears, or tears matter at all,
When I cannot for muse's soft words call?

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 07:39 PM

"How many root beers does it take?"

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 04:13 PM

To drown my sorrows? Far more than I have time to drink...

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: autolycus
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 04:17 PM

You will let me know when you've all finished, won't you?

So I can be last.

Ta.

Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 04:21 PM

We are not done yet.

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 06:09 PM

"How many root beers does it TAKE?!?" (uttered by Snoopy in his WWI flying ace guise, as he morosely ponders the insanity of an apparently endless war...)

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 07:03 PM

Ah yes, the " War to end all Wars"


Obviously a horrible reason to fight a war... Almost as bad as to eliminate WMDs...

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 07:17 PM

The only good (and moral) reason there ever has been to fight a war was the legitimate defence of one's own homeland against a direct attack by a foreign entity... and the legitimate resistance against invasion of one's homeland and the occupation of it by foreign armies.

Any other excuse is just that: an excuse.

There is one other kind of war, though...an internal war within a nation. A civil war. That's a particulary nasty situation, and it can get damnably complicated. It is often further complicated by the involvement of foreign powers in various ways...as they may see some advantage in involving themselves. If so, it gets even worse.

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 07:22 PM

Agreed.

So we have to conclude that the US/allied invasion of Europe and Germany in WWII was NOT a moral war.

Nor was the invasion of Japan by the US ( We attacked several islands that were part of Japan even before the war).

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 08:06 PM

Your argument is so specious, so utterly predictable (I could hear it coming it before you even opened your mouth, because it's the standard supposedly innocent dummy naive response), and so utterly full of holes that it's not even worth replying to, BB.

(and I think you ought to know that...you shouldn't even need me to explain it to you) ;-) Seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 08:12 PM

Holy fuck. Morel wars? RIP

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jan 08 - 12:06 PM

"The only good (and moral) reason there ever has been to fight a war was the legitimate defence of one's own homeland against a direct attack by a foreign entity... and the legitimate resistance against invasion of one's homeland and the occupation of it by foreign armies."

I will still state that, by your criteria, the present conflict (Palestinians/Israel) in the middle east is moral on BOTH sides, and the entire actions of boths sides in WW II was immoral. Please let me know how you can consider otherwise, by your statement.

So, at what time did Germany ever invade Canada?

Or Australia?

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Jan 08 - 12:54 PM

BB, You are being disingenuous and deliberately obtuse in my opinion. (people often tend to do that when they are arguing about something...)

It is simply foolish to look at a situation in isolation....that is, to consider only one facet of a much larger historical situation and use it out of context to the rest...and then use that to attack my original statement.

I stand by my original statement.

"The only good (and moral) reason there ever has been to fight a war was the legitimate defence of one's own homeland against a direct attack by a foreign entity... and the legitimate resistance against invasion of one's homeland and the occupation of it by foreign armies."

You still want me to go into specific explanations? I will, if you insist, but it's really a waste of time, because you already have the wit and intelligence to figure it out all by yourself. I know you do.

Remember this: conflicts are not ALWAYS neatly divided up between one side that is entirely good and right...and another that is entirely bad and wrong. Conflicts can and very often do involve a mixture of right and wrong on both sides, specially when both sides are motivated by a keen desire for their own gain and a hatred of their opponents.

And that is the case in the Arab/Palestinian-Israeli conflict. It's not just a simple division into "good guys" and "bad guys". Very few wars are.

Once a war has started, it takes on a life of its own, and the issues become very complex. Great crimes are often committed by both sides.

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jan 08 - 03:56 PM

Then I have to claim that your comment "The only good (and moral) reason there ever has been to fight a war was the legitimate defence of one's own homeland against a direct attack by a foreign entity... and the legitimate resistance against invasion of one's homeland and the occupation of it by foreign armies."

is meaningless- ALL wars are thought to be for the legitimate defence of one's homeland.

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Jan 08 - 04:18 PM

It is quite true that virtually all wars are thought to be for the legitimate defence of one's homeland by most or almost all of the ordinary people who serve as combatants in those wars!

And it's quite sad that that is so.

It occurs mainly because the few people at the top who planned their wars of aggression and conquest always have extensive propaganda means at hand to mislead the ordinary people who comprise their population.

To realize this is to become wise enough to question such leadership stringently, and to refuse to be taken in by their false propaganda. Unfortunately, many people never do become that wise, and young people (specially young men) are the easiest to mislead in that regard. That is how despots and liars have raised willing armies to do their dirty work in this world for the past few thousand years.

It in no way invalidates my original point:

"The only good (and moral) reason there ever has been to fight a war was the legitimate defence of one's own homeland against a direct attack by a foreign entity... and the legitimate resistance against invasion of one's homeland and the occupation of it by foreign armies."

And I stand by it. It is anything but meaningless. It is the truth. And it always will be.

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: autolycus
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 02:57 PM

Wonderful . The truth will out.

Ivor

       F I N I S

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 03:03 PM

Sonnet 291 of 291 to my muse...


Sonnet 28/02/08                                  MLXIX

I wonder how you are, but cannot know
When you so silent stay: Am I to dream
If you are happy? Might muse some sign show
Of heart's desires found, to past hopes redeem?
Have you the time to tell if you now smile,
And what might hold attention of your eyes?
Will you share dreams, or offer just a while
When I might pretend you still think me wise?
I ask that you remember I still care
For all dream offered, and my muse inspired.
I cannot but regret I do not share
The thoughts and visions I so once desired.
All past has given are words, dreams, and hope:
Without muse, how can any poet cope?

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 05:16 PM

Last? Unlikely. Latest? For now.

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 07:23 PM

for then, anyway...

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 08:55 PM

Ooooh... Why I oughta...

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 11:49 PM

Anyone got a good rhyme for "oink"?

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 09:23 AM

boink

toink

voink

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 09:41 AM

speloink?

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 10:05 AM

shrink
shrank
shroink

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 01:21 PM

ok. I guess you all want another sonnet or two, today?

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 03:31 PM

Two, please (not to be greedy but you did offer).

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:03 PM

OK. I'll try not to repeat ones I posted earlier...


One and two ( of three) to another person ( not a muse)


Sonnet 13/4/01                        DXXXVIII

Though I do not yet know you, I can feel
Our thoughts within one vision. In your lines
My dreams hear echos: Might I ask for signs,
Emotion, and heart's desire, remain real?
Let me be clear: I would let my verse seal
Intent. I seek for muse, that I might find
Some vision, and some hope for dreams; To bind
Soul to soul, that heat of heart might anneal.
All I can offer are lines, soul, and heart:
My dreams remain beyond control. I seek
A source, to feed dream and desire: My art
Remains unvoiced, without. Yet, will you speak,
Inspire me, or silence dreams? Should dreams start,
Even before I see your eyes? Heart is weak.



Sonnet 14/04/01                                DXXXIX

I've image of your smile, but now depend
Upon your words to tell me of your mind:
I cannot judge how much of Truth you send,
But accept all you give, to verses find.
I search for muse, but hope to find my dreams
Reflected in those eyes. How shall I seek
What I desire, without your words? Heart seems
To sense a kindred soul, but heart is weak.
I wait to hear your voice, and look in eyes:
You are a source of verse, but will you share
Enough about you to inspire? How wise
Am I, to even hope, or dream, you'll care?
I wait upon reply: My dreams are caught,
And heart must hope that you are what I've sought.

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:09 PM

Should I ask if you want me to repost the Sonnet Redouble?

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:13 PM

Should I give you the answer to that?

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:19 PM

probably not the one I want- here I find someone foolish enough to ask for sonnets... You don't think I'm going to ignore someone who has such obvious good taste?

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 07:31 PM

No, I wouldn't think you would ignore an opportunity like that. ;-) God knows, you have proven unable to ignore this thread...

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 07:34 PM

where else can I send people to read the sonnets?

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 07:43 PM

OK, the Sonnet Redouble was osted here, back on 14 May 04 - 12:02 PM
. But it might be too much to reload that much- should I repost? ( everyone but Little Hawk gets a vote- 1. I know what his will be and 2. I'm pretending I'm a Democrat and selecting only the votes I want to see.)

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 09:06 PM

I'm gonna pretend I'm a Republican and accuse you of being unpatriotic, waffling, and showing weakness in the face of external threats to our way of life. Appeasement and compromise in the face of evil, that's all you people know. You don't have the guts to support our sons and daughters who are in the line of danger defending our freedom. Why, if they'd had you instead of Churchill in charge of the UK in 1940, "we'd all be speaking German!" ;-)

(All of the above is totally tongue in cheek, you understand!)

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 09:29 AM

Please, repost the Sonnet Redouble. I am atwitter with anticipation.

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 02:09 PM

ok, after claim this number...


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