Dave Bulmer-related enquiry

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 08:13 PM

Do your bloody homework. I have been here for quite a long time. Then tell us who you are. Have you got middle name like Jerome K Jerome? Guest K Guest? Now either tell us who you are (since you asked me who I was) or just belt up, bore.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 08:05 PM

Thanks for being so informative Steve - so who are you?

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 07:25 PM

Who the hell is Steve Shaw?

I'll tell you if you like, Mr Murky-anonymous "Guest". I'm one of the most transparently-honest and open people on this board, a bloke who has posted on God knows how many forums over the years tens of thousands of times always under my real name. So who are you? If you won't tell us your name we could always make a suitable one up for you...

Yes we go round in circles. Another way of looking at it is that we won't let a serious injustice drop below the radar. We live in hope, tenuous though it may be, that some good will come out of this one day.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 01:59 PM

you are going around in circles - yawn

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 11:43 AM

.. just an idle thought...
could there be any tax offsetting incentives for Mr Bulmer's family / estate
if they were to make a kind & generous gift to the nation
of this culturally important collection..???

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 11:31 AM

garham t. The condition of the master tapes isn't all that much of an issue here. If they have degenerated to the point where they have become unuseable (unlikely, I'd have thought), I have nearly all the Leader LPs. IE. the ones which showcased traditional musicians and singers, as distinct from revivalists who were released on the Trailer label. I have no interest in the latter.

The Leader LPs I have are all in good condition, and good remastered copies could be produced from them. The odd items I don't have could doubtless be furnished by other people.

Again, as I keep telling people, the commercial value of the catalogue is virtually zero. Nobody is going to make money from reissuing it. However, its cultural worth is in my opinion, beyond estimation.

The problem is that an enormous mess surrounds the question of copyright. IE., nobody seems to know who owns what. Therefore, the logical thing to do would be to contact all interested parties, which would presumably be Dave Bulmer's widow, Bill Leader and whoever now owns Bulmer's business, if such a person exists, and ask them to waive any rights they might have.

Regarding royalty payments, if I become involved in any attempt to reissue the catalogue, it will be on the clear understanding that royalty payments will be made to the performers, or to their descendants, or failing both of these to some suitable charitable cause; EG., it would be impossible to pay royalties to all the people who performed on 'A People's Carol' but the money could presumably still be put to good use.

Payment of royalties on the terms I've just set out is in fact a cardinal principle where Musical Traditions releases are concerned. Therefore if Rod Stradling can do it, so can anyone else.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 11:07 AM

graham_t - all you ask has been debated to greater depth in more recent Dave Bulmer threads.

This one just seems to have been reopened arbitrarily at random.

Surely it is not too simplistic a notion
to consider that where there is a will there is a way
to minimise all the costs that might be involved........

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,graham_t
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 07:07 AM

Some practical problems that no-one really knows the answer to (as far as I am aware) -

Exactly how many tapes Dave Bulmer had
What condition they are in.

What their commercial value is (clearly this is related to the above)
I imagine that the cost of trying to catalogue all the tapes, and in particular assessing their condition and the possible costs of restoring them would be considerable. There is also the considerable problem of trying to establish who is entitled to whatroyalties from the individual tapes. Quite possibly the cost of doing all of this would be far more then their commercial value.

I can't see anyone agreeing to buy all or any of these tapes without this information as they might be buying something worthless.

I don't know what has happened to his business, but I thought it included this
http://www.musicbymail.co.uk/

which has had the same message on it for a very long time.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Musket
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 05:23 AM

More to the point, who is guest?

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 08:56 PM

I think I know who Malcolm Storey is - something to do with Whitby Folk Week in the past I believe.

Who the hell is Steve Shaw?

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 07:38 PM

Unfortunately this seems to be the wrong Dave Bulmer:

findagrave.com record

Maybe somebody could submit a new entry?

I can see potential for T-shirts. Or maybe decals for uses like the flies in the glaze at Schiphol Airport.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 07:17 PM

You do that - and do carry on defending the indefensible. Hope it makes you happy.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 06:54 PM

Thank you for the vote of confidence Steve - I can now go to bed and sleep untroubled by life's cares.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 06:22 PM

Whoever this Malcolm bloke is, you lot, stop pussyfooting around him. There are several albums that Bulmer put into touch that would have sold very well on CD. Any by Nic Jones, and what about Bright Phoebus, to name but a few. And let's not forget that there have been several tawdry attempts to release third-rate CD-Rs of the forbidden stuff over the years. I have no idea what the dead Bulmer's twisted motives were for hanging on to stuff, except that they were twisted. The sad truth is, probably, that he didn't look after the tapes, and they're totally shot by now. Some were allegedly used to prop up tables with wonky legs. As I said, anyone with pristine vinyl should hang on to it. You are sitting on what Bulmer did not realise: our bloody heritage, and stuff the "commercial" considerations! One fine day...

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 05:12 PM

There is no point in talking in abstracts.

Have just watched Antiques Roadshow and nobody on there would sell the valuable or worthless old jug that Uncle Herbert left them.

Maybe Dave's family feel the same.

Suggest we leave it with Fred.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 04:13 PM

GUEST,Fred McCormick 19 Oct 14 - 07:08 AM seems to have misunderstood my 19 Oct 14 - 06:45 AM posting. I wasn't meaning to suggest that any of those organisations would wish to get into a fight to obtain the recordings and the right to issue them. I was suggesting, in response to the query from GUEST,Malcolm Storey as to who would be interested in the material, that any or all of those organisations might well be interested if it were offered to them.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 11:44 AM

.. and whilst business and profit are real world considerations;
it's not entirely unknown or that unusual for families to generously donate
archives / collections / cultural artifacts / etc to the nation's galleries and museums.

If it were to ever be considered as a positive option by representatives of Mr Bulmer's estate,
surely there may already be appropriate responsible organizations
who would be very grateful for such a culturally 'valuable' gift ????

Legalities need not be an obstacle.

Just an idea in progress .. that's all... I don't mind being called naive...

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: caitlin rua
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 11:23 AM

The rights can always be sold, without re-issuing a thing. The worth or otherwise of this collection is still only a matter of opinion. Until it's put to the test.

The owner could simply flog it and get something out of it. Then it's somebody else's problem.

I don't think anyone believes it would be lucrative. But that's doesn't mean it's without value.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 11:07 AM

Malcolm. "The vinyl is and always was available via the catalogue as far as I am aware". I confess that's a new one on me. As I have virtually all the Leader catalogue anyway, there wouldn't have been much point in my investigating that line of enquiry. But to which catalogue are you referring? Dave Bulmer's own? If so there are presumably other Mudcatters who might wish to benefit.

"considering that the stuff never sold in the first place". Sad but true. Anybody who thinks there's a killing to be made out of this had better think again. However, consider the 100+ Cds which Musical Traditions has released, plus all the stuff which Veteran has churned out, plus how many volumes is it now of Topic's Voice of the People? That's without even mentioning companies like Greentrax, Clo Iar Chonnachta etc.

There may be no money in releasing CDs of traditional music. Nevertheless, there are people who clearly think the stuff is worth releasing, and there are other people who clearly think the stuff is worth buying.

So, to conclude and finish. Here's a job which is worth doing for aesthetic and/or ideological reasons, if not for the greenbacks. All I can add is that, having twice now persuaded Topic to release material which everyone else seemed to have forgotten about, plus having collaborated with Rod Stradling whenever he needed it, I can tell you there's a lot of back breaking and ball aching involved, and very little recognition or profit. But by God, the glow of satisfaction when you succeed in making it happen.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 10:54 AM

"The reissueing of the material on CD would cost money"

Pro standard digital transfer for commercial, or even free dowload,
as CD quality [or even higher resolution] Wav or Flac files,
would incur considerably less cost..

This is now rapidly becoming the most popular 22st Century alternative to manufacturing & selling physical media....

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 10:36 AM

Caitlin

That was Dave's opinion as well as mine and I felt he was trying to be altruistic but all the crap got on top of him and he was never one for suffering fools gladly.

The vinyl is and always was available via the catalogue as far as I am aware.

The reissueing of the material on CD would cost money and considering that the stuff never sold in the first place what makes people think things have changed?

So it might be possible to reissue one or two items a year and recoup the cost and so on ad infinitum.

Of course if there are pristine vinyl copies out there then that speaks volumes (no pun intended) in itself.

Richard

The chequebook comment related to interested parties willing to rescue the collection - if it needs resueing.

Fred, as usual, talks a fair bit of sense and his last two comments might point a way forward.

There are a lot of mights and maybes in there and not a business plan in sight.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: caitlin rua
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 07:09 AM

> There is no real financial value in the vast majority of stuff that Dave saved from the landfill

That's one person's opinion, not fact. So why not subject it to a reality test: Put it up for sale, publicly and widely-announced, and see what happens. If it makes any money at all, that indicates at least some financial value.

The other choice would be to release these artistic works in the marketplace; but if this couldn't recoup sufficient profit for the costs/work involved (a debatable topic: other outfits manage), then selling everything outright would at least earn back something.

Or are the royalty payments better than is generally being let on, worth just enough to keep the catalogue?

> It is the business man in me that sees the financial part as a deciding factor. Throwing good money after bad was never a wise philosophy.

How is selling the material throwing good money after bad?

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 07:08 AM

Richard. Rod Stradling (Musical Traditions)looked into the question of copyright when he reissued the Cecilia Costello LP. At the time he seemed to feel that the ice was a bit too thin to take a chance on with the rest of the catalogue.

I haven't spoken to him on this topic for quite a while, so I've no idea whether there might have been further developments. Even so, I think that a project such as this would be too fraught with loopholes for one person to tackle.

Of the other names you mention, I can't see the NSA wanting to get involved. EFDSS might be a possibility, but I'd have thought an unlikely one unless and until the question of copyright ownership is entirely resolved. Ditto for ITMA. Plus there is an added problem if the latter were to issue only the Irish stuff, in that it would effectively break the collection up.

My feeling is that it's going to take a consortium of committed people to thoroughly investigate the copyright problem and to persuade the copyright holders to waive their rights in the name of artistic heritage (or whatever).

Sounds to me like this would make a useful topic for discussion at a future Tradsong Forum meeting.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 06:45 AM

> I would be intrigued to know who these organistations and individuals are that would be interested in the material.

Maybe Musical Traditions. Maybe the British Library Sound Archive. Maybe EFDSS. Maybe ITMA for the Irish recordings. Maybe someone in the USA.

> To do what?

To make some or all of these recordings generally available to whoever wants to listen to them, on CD or as digital downloads, possibly free, possibly at a reasonable price.

> I see no one out there waving a cheque book or even a debit card.

Not a lot of point when there appears to be nothing for sale.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 05:28 AM

DMcG

It is the business man in me that sees the financial part as a deciding factor.

Throwing good money after bad was never a wise philosophy.

Richard

I would be intrigued to know who these organistations and individuals are that would be interested in the material. To do what?

I see no one out there waving a cheque book or even a debit card.

Dave bought the material because nobody else wanted it.

He also bought a set of urinals once - any offers for those?

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 04:25 AM

DMcG - I think I acknowledged the artistic value, as Dave did by putting his money etc

Sort of. But you also said 'Let it be' because you believe it to have no financial value. But many here see the artistic value as sufficient grounds to oppose letting things go, whereas you appear to regard the financial aspect as the deciding factor.

We differ, that's all there is to say, really, so I don't expect to post further on this aspect, especially as people like Richard just above are making essentially the same point I was but rather better.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 04:10 AM

GUEST,Malcolm Storey said
> Punkfolkrocker - the second part of your argument would only work if such a body or body of persons existed.
For the first part what obligation is there to buy something and then give it to a third party? I think people are picking on the wrong devil here. <

DB bought the Leader tapes and their copyright for whatever seemed to him a good reason at the time. Whether that was wise or foolish, virtuous or wicked, an obligation or not, it is fait accompli. But there is now, in the opinion of many people, an ethical obligation on his heirs to do something positive with that material.

There are various organisations and individuals unconnected to the original performers that might be willing to take some or all of it, but that should only be as second choice to the performers or their heirs.

If DB's heirs consider it not worthwhile to publish it themselves, they should give it not to "a third party" but to the original first parties, the artists, or their heirs. Or they could even sell it back for a reasonable price. Sitting on the copyright and leaving the tapes to deteriorate does no-one any good, and is unethical because it does actual harm to those who are prevented from raising some cash from re-issued recordings.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 09:13 PM

DMcG - I think I acknowledged the artistic value, as Dave did by putting his money etc.

Punkfolkrocker - the second part of your argument would only work if such a body or body of persons existed.
For the first part what obligation is there to buy something and then give it to a third party? I think people are picking on the wrong devil here.

Fred and Raggytash - you both know me personally and I am quite prepared to debate this with in private, with, perhaps a means to lay it to rest.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 11:32 AM

Malcolm. There may be no financial value in the Leader catalogue worth speaking of. But there is a hell of a lot of artistic value.

For the rest of the 'tittle tattle' I can only repeat what I said above. IE., that I never knew the man and have no idea what he was like in other spheres. Therefore I have no desire to engage in a DB character assassination. But I do believe that the Leader catalogue should be made available once more to those people who recognise said artisitic value.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 11:28 AM

Malcolm, I do not think I ever met Dave Bulmer and therefore cannot argue with anything you say. However I do know several artists who do cannot get access to work they recorded back in the 70's early 80's and who would love to do so. (I don't wish to mention any names for fear of creating any backlash for them)

From a personal point of view many of my vinyl albums are, not to put too fine a point of it, knackered and if CD's were available I would happily buy them again.

If as you state there is little or no financial gain to be made from the material it would seem logical to release it back to the artists who are recorded.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 11:28 AM

I've no need or right to stir things up.
But if there is no real financial value, why not make the positive gesture of goodwill
and legally return the rights [and any viable surviving tapes] back to the artists or their families,
or even some kind of neutral folk archive or promoting body...

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 11:18 AM

That's me just above.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 11:15 AM

there's no real financial value

Maybe some people think it is valuable on another basis

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 10:56 AM

Dave Bulmer was an awkward cuss at times but he was also a very fine musician and great supporter of traditional music.

He was also in the business of making a living which he did quite successfully without recourse to any of the more unethical tricks undertaken by others.

He also recognised the artistic value of the various businesses (all failing before he got involved) he bought out.

He once admitted to me that he never thought he would ever recoup his outlay and that he had, if the family wanted to eat, to make other strands of his business be the breadwinners so to speak.

He has had very little praise for the good things he did such as the various tune collections and his staunch support of traditional musicians.

He has now been dead for some time and I feel he should be left to rest in peace without all this constant tittle tattle which I am sure would upset Ruth if she bothered to read it.

There is no real financial value in the vast majority of stuff that Dave saved from the landfill despite what so called experts might think.

Let it be.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 06:53 PM

Owners of pristine vinyl, I should say. The owners may be less than pristine...

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 06:51 PM

If anyone has pristine vinyl copies of the lost albums, keep them pristine. The original tapes may well have deteriorated beyond recall. Pristine vinyl owners may well be sitting on our heritage. Keep sitting for now!

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 02:36 PM

SB. I've no idea who you are, or how much experience you have in these matters. However, there is a small problem of copyright law. Doing what you propose could land you in court, with a lot of copyright fees to pay, plus a lot of legal expenses.

Also, there is the question of protocol to be considered. I know that Bulmer's reputation isn't too good in most quarters. Even so, if you're seen to be issuing non PD recordings, without so much as a by your leave from his estate, you might find that no-one else in the folk record industry is willing to work with you.

Having said that, if there's anyone out there who can re-issue the stuff legally and legitimately, I'll be only too glad to give them all the help I can - as I did with Rod Stradling when he reissued the Cecilia Costello disc.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,SB
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 12:03 PM

So obtain the best vinyl and make CDs? Publish and be damned - this stuff needs to get back into the public domain.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 11:32 AM

Betsy. I only met DB once, so I can't comment on whether he had his good points or not. In any event, that is irrelevant to the present discussion.

The accusation is that he bought an admittedly small, but nonetheless vitally important catalogue of traditional music and song from Britain, Ireland and the USA and sat on it for the rest of his life. As a result the vast majority has never been reissued.

Here's an incomplete listing of what we wuz robbed of.

England. Copper family, The. Leader LEAB 404
England. George Dunn. Leader. LEE 4042
USA. New North Carolina Ramblers. North Carolina Boys. Leader LEA 4040
USA. Virginia Reel. Leader LED 2053
England. Unto Brigg Fair: Joseph Taylor and other Lincolnshire Singers recorded in 1908 by Percy Grainger. Leader LEA 4050
England. Billy Pigg. Border Minstrel, The. Leader LEA 4006
England. Fine Hunting Day, A. Leader LEE 4056
England. Cecilia Costello. Recordings From the Sound Archives of the BBC Leader LEE 4054
England. Charlie Wills. Leader LEA 4041
Ireland. Coleman Country Traditional Society, The. Music from the Coleman Country. Leader LEA 2044
Ireland. Folk Ballads From Donegal and Derry. Leader LEA 4055
Ireland. John J Kimmel. Early Recordings of Irish Traditional Dance Music. Leader LED 2060
Ireland. Seamus Tansey with Eddie Corcoran. Leader LEA 2005
Scotland. Shetland Fiddlers. Leader LED 2052
England. Stephen Baldwin. English Village Fiddler. Leader LED 2068
Ireland. Eddie Butcher. Shamrock Rose and Thistle. Leader LED 2070
England. Walter Pardon. A Proper sort. Leader LED 2063
USA. Lonnie Austin-Norman Woodlief        Lonnie Austin & Norman Woodlief. Leader LEE 4045
USA        Various        Blue Ridge Mountain Field Trip. Leader LEA 4012
Canada        Various        Far Canadian Fields. Leader. LEE 4057
England. Jack Elliott of Birtley; The Songs and Stories of a Durham Miner. Leader LEA 4001
England. Walter Pardon. Our Side of the Baulk. Leader LED 2111
Ireland. Martin Byrnes. Leader LEA 2004
Ireland. Séamus Ennis. Leader LEA 2003
Ireland. John Maguire. Come Day, Go Day, God Send Sunday. Leader LEE 4062
England. People's Carol, A. Leader LEE 4065

For anyone who doesn't know the story, Leader Sound was forced out of business by the oil (and therefore vinyl) shortage of 1973, which means he achieved that astonishing list in just four years. I don't know of any other record company, including Folkways and Topic, who showed such splendid initiative as Leader Sound did.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Guest Betsy
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 07:22 PM

I understand that his wife is a very decent person - so let's hope that there may be an agreeable outcome for all those performers who have been severely affected by Dave's actions / business adventures. I knew Dave , busked with him in Amsterdam in the 70's along with another fine musician/singer who may not wish to be mentioned.
Naturally, at that time there was no inkling of the devastation that his that the heart break which his commercial actions & aspirations would eventually bring.
As many of us are fond of quoting "it will all turn out alright in the end" - lets hope it does !!
As for Fred (Previous Post), Dave couldn't match the nastiness, dirty , underhandedness , perverse behaviour and disregard for the working class of this British Nation of Jeremy Hunt with regard to the NHS.
Warwick Hunt - not Jeremy thinks me !!!

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 03:57 PM

I'm not going to go into it, but it's a lot more complicated than challenging Dave Bulmer's will. In fact it would take an army of lawyers to sort out the copyright mess that surrounds the LPs of say, Charlie Wills, John Maguire, Billy Pigg, etc.

It's a crying shame, but at least I can take solace in the fact that I bought copies of practically all the Leader LPs when they were first issued, and before D..e B....r got his greasy little mitts on them.

Thank God he never had the chance to privatise the NHS.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Jack Campin
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 03:48 PM

It's not very difficult or expensive to challenge a will in English law, is it?

Did some interested party try?

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 03:25 PM

Musical Traditions has reissued an augmented version of the Cecilia Costello LP on double CD, as Old Fashioned Songs. Musical Traditions MTCD 363-4.

I was hoping that would signal the the reissue of the entire Leader catalogue. That it hasn't happened is due to the fact that nearly everything else in that catalogue is still in copyright.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 03:18 PM

no

Subject: RE: BS: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 15 Oct 14 - 06:54 PM

Is there any news about the Dave Bulmer albums situation since his death which was a while ago now?

Subject: RE: BS: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 02:40 PM

which dave bulmer are we talking about, the one in harrogate or the one in london?

Subject: RE: BS: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 16 Jan 10 - 07:25 AM

Dave Bulmer threads are becoming boring. Can we have something about Ewan MacColl's war record please?

Subject: RE: BS: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Sean O'Nuallain
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 06:12 PM

A chairde

First of all, the story is indeed VERY confusing, and I apologise again for the bad formatting which did not help

Clearing up a few matters; it relates to bulmer insofar as he contacted us, out of the blue, on Tuesday; 3 weeks before the first hearing in federal court in the USA, over 15 years after the saga began. I did not know who he was until I checked this site - luckily - while on the phone with him. He asked us for our friend Donal Lunny's address, and Donal is rater grateful that we did not oblige.

Secondly, I have indeed consulted with James Wolsey, but he cannot take action in the US, where most of the illegal sales occur.

Having apologised for the story's bad formatting, I should probably reassert the truth of every detail, and do so. As to its relevance, it will probably shock many to find that a blanket licence for the performance of "Irish" music (much of which is Scottish) was issued and accepted in Ireland (by a senator on the one side, and peace commissioner on the other); that it seems to be the case that MCPS in Streatham accepts utterly bogus composer "claims"; that IMRO was initially set up partly to protect these fake claims, and only the effective sacrifice of a whole generation of Irish musicians has prevented matters getting much worse

Best wishes

Sean

Subject: RE: BS: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: GUEST,Don Scott.
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 05:26 PM

Perhaps Guest Sean could enlighten us as to how Mr Bulmer is involved here, I know that several Irish artists have had very unpleasant dealings with his companies in the past.

Subject: RE: BS: Dave Bulmer-related enquiry
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 10:59 AM

No it lost me in places too.